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People discuss evolution because some people think that it doesn't exist. Same with god. I originally came here because I wanted to see if any believers had a solid foundation for believing in god, something that I could possibly agree with. I haven't found anything yet, just a bunch of people who seem really bitter when I ask the hard questions because their answers aren't logical and they seem to know it. Very bizarre.
Apparently you never surrendered your all to GodNot true. I went from believer to not. That would make your comment wrong because I believed for 40 years. I saw no evidence. The evidence you see is isn’t evidence we would accept.When you believe God shows you the evidenceI just read an article from NASA which is partially the inspiration behind this topic:
WMAP- Fate of the Universe
It would seem to suggest that given enough time, all life in the known universe will most likely essentially “freeze” to death.
Now as a preface to this topic I suppose I should set some “assumptions” that I’m making. Let’s say that billions or more years ago, some supremely powerful conscious being created all the particles that exist along with all the rules that govern them; and that being is God.
Given all the messed up stuff that can happen to people, and has happened to people throughout history, and that existence will probably fade into frozen nothingness eventually; I’m having a hard time believing that “God” actually “cares” about us that much. Now I know that most people are good, but I think that’s mostly because it’s evolutionarily advantageous to be “good”. I think I have an innate empathy and conscientiousness for others because that is a trait that fosters cooperation; and human cooperation is a competitive advantage. Simply survival of the fittest.
So I guess I’m going to pose this question to you all: If there is a God (as outlined above) is there any evidence it really cares about you or my well being at a personal level?
No physical evidence that I know of. And yet there are billions of people who do believe in a God(s) through a large variety of religions. Maybe the better question is why do they believe in God when there's no hard evidence to base that belief on. Through out history ever since mankind has evolved enough to think of such things, people have believed in supernatural forces and created some some astounding places based on that strength. Egypt's pyramids for example, thousands of people helped build those things believing they would ascend to their version of an afterlife as a result of the work they did here on Earth. Or so some think anyway.
And omg think about what you’re saying. If you believe in ghosts they will reveal themselves. That’s horse shit! If ghosts want me to believe they need to show me first.
Do you see the insanity of what you’re saying? A skeptic can never believe first.
You guys questioned my motives the other day or suggested god wouldn’t be happy with me. Why? Does he hate smart people?
I’m certain this hypothesis makes us stupid. Or dubpmber than we would be without it. Happier too maybe.
We are responding to your sarcasm which allows us to know you didn’t start this thread to accept anything but what you want to hear.People discuss evolution because some people think that it doesn't exist. Same with god. I originally came here because I wanted to see if any believers had a solid foundation for believing in god, something that I could possibly agree with. I haven't found anything yet, just a bunch of people who seem really bitter when I ask the hard questions because their answers aren't logical and they seem to know it. Very bizarre.If god could be proven to be real then nobody would have any reason to argue against it. Like a tree, it would evident to all. Or do you argue about the existence of trees also?
Just for grins, why not enumerate all the world-wide, multi-cultural debates that take place over something that does not exist? How many other debates are you currently engaged in over something that does not exist? Do you know why there are arguments over adaptation/evolution? Because it exists. If it didn't, there would be no argument. Or, do you disagree? It may be deep in your sub-conscious or spirit, but there is something within you that acknowledges God because if there weren't, you wouldn't be arguing.
The validity of a claim, such as the existence of god, is not governed by the intelligence of the minds which hold it. Evidence and reason are the deciding factors.
Reason and eye-witness testimony (evidence) have been present since the dawn of man. Why do you suppose some fight so vigorously against God?
People discuss evolution because some people think that it doesn't exist. Same with god. I originally came here because I wanted to see if any believers had a solid foundation for believing in god, something that I could possibly agree with. I haven't found anything yet, just a bunch of people who seem really bitter when I ask the hard questions because their answers aren't logical and they seem to know it. Very bizarre.
You made my point. There would be no argument if there was no evolution because the topic simply wouldn't come up.
Unfortunately, you do not ask hard questions, you ask vacuous questions--of which you have already chosen to answer for yourself. I fear you may be mistaking bitterness for regret over time and pearls wasted. Shrug.
What we find bizarre is someone who asks questions but refuses to listen or even to hear.
Apparently you never surrendered your all to GodNot true. I went from believer to not. That would make your comment wrong because I believed for 40 years. I saw no evidence. The evidence you see is isn’t evidence we would accept.When you believe God shows you the evidenceI just read an article from NASA which is partially the inspiration behind this topic:
WMAP- Fate of the Universe
It would seem to suggest that given enough time, all life in the known universe will most likely essentially “freeze” to death.
Now as a preface to this topic I suppose I should set some “assumptions” that I’m making. Let’s say that billions or more years ago, some supremely powerful conscious being created all the particles that exist along with all the rules that govern them; and that being is God.
Given all the messed up stuff that can happen to people, and has happened to people throughout history, and that existence will probably fade into frozen nothingness eventually; I’m having a hard time believing that “God” actually “cares” about us that much. Now I know that most people are good, but I think that’s mostly because it’s evolutionarily advantageous to be “good”. I think I have an innate empathy and conscientiousness for others because that is a trait that fosters cooperation; and human cooperation is a competitive advantage. Simply survival of the fittest.
So I guess I’m going to pose this question to you all: If there is a God (as outlined above) is there any evidence it really cares about you or my well being at a personal level?
No physical evidence that I know of. And yet there are billions of people who do believe in a God(s) through a large variety of religions. Maybe the better question is why do they believe in God when there's no hard evidence to base that belief on. Through out history ever since mankind has evolved enough to think of such things, people have believed in supernatural forces and created some some astounding places based on that strength. Egypt's pyramids for example, thousands of people helped build those things believing they would ascend to their version of an afterlife as a result of the work they did here on Earth. Or so some think anyway.
And omg think about what you’re saying. If you believe in ghosts they will reveal themselves. That’s horse shit! If ghosts want me to believe they need to show me first.
Do you see the insanity of what you’re saying? A skeptic can never believe first.
You guys questioned my motives the other day or suggested god wouldn’t be happy with me. Why? Does he hate smart people?
I’m certain this hypothesis makes us stupid. Or dubpmber than we would be without it. Happier too maybe.
Nobody here has been able to show rationally and empirically why a god exists. That bothers you. I understand.People discuss evolution because some people think that it doesn't exist. Same with god. I originally came here because I wanted to see if any believers had a solid foundation for believing in god, something that I could possibly agree with. I haven't found anything yet, just a bunch of people who seem really bitter when I ask the hard questions because their answers aren't logical and they seem to know it. Very bizarre.
You made my point. There would be no argument if there was no evolution because the topic simply wouldn't come up.
Unfortunately, you do not ask hard questions, you ask vacuous questions--of which you have already chosen to answer for yourself. I fear you may be mistaking bitterness for regret over time and pearls wasted. Shrug.
What we find bizarre is someone who asks questions but refuses to listen or even to hear.
Because god can’t make humans who can make a proper fridge? Amirite or AMIRITE?We are responding to your sarcasm which allows us to know you didn’t start this thread to accept anything but what you want to hear.People discuss evolution because some people think that it doesn't exist. Same with god. I originally came here because I wanted to see if any believers had a solid foundation for believing in god, something that I could possibly agree with. I haven't found anything yet, just a bunch of people who seem really bitter when I ask the hard questions because their answers aren't logical and they seem to know it. Very bizarre.If god could be proven to be real then nobody would have any reason to argue against it. Like a tree, it would evident to all. Or do you argue about the existence of trees also?
Just for grins, why not enumerate all the world-wide, multi-cultural debates that take place over something that does not exist? How many other debates are you currently engaged in over something that does not exist? Do you know why there are arguments over adaptation/evolution? Because it exists. If it didn't, there would be no argument. Or, do you disagree? It may be deep in your sub-conscious or spirit, but there is something within you that acknowledges God because if there weren't, you wouldn't be arguing.
Now, Mr. Science, why do so many refrigerators get such bad reviews after only 6 months of use in the real world?
Do you think Trump is a saint?Apparently you never surrendered your all to GodNot true. I went from believer to not. That would make your comment wrong because I believed for 40 years. I saw no evidence. The evidence you see is isn’t evidence we would accept.When you believe God shows you the evidenceI just read an article from NASA which is partially the inspiration behind this topic:
WMAP- Fate of the Universe
It would seem to suggest that given enough time, all life in the known universe will most likely essentially “freeze” to death.
Now as a preface to this topic I suppose I should set some “assumptions” that I’m making. Let’s say that billions or more years ago, some supremely powerful conscious being created all the particles that exist along with all the rules that govern them; and that being is God.
Given all the messed up stuff that can happen to people, and has happened to people throughout history, and that existence will probably fade into frozen nothingness eventually; I’m having a hard time believing that “God” actually “cares” about us that much. Now I know that most people are good, but I think that’s mostly because it’s evolutionarily advantageous to be “good”. I think I have an innate empathy and conscientiousness for others because that is a trait that fosters cooperation; and human cooperation is a competitive advantage. Simply survival of the fittest.
So I guess I’m going to pose this question to you all: If there is a God (as outlined above) is there any evidence it really cares about you or my well being at a personal level?
No physical evidence that I know of. And yet there are billions of people who do believe in a God(s) through a large variety of religions. Maybe the better question is why do they believe in God when there's no hard evidence to base that belief on. Through out history ever since mankind has evolved enough to think of such things, people have believed in supernatural forces and created some some astounding places based on that strength. Egypt's pyramids for example, thousands of people helped build those things believing they would ascend to their version of an afterlife as a result of the work they did here on Earth. Or so some think anyway.
And omg think about what you’re saying. If you believe in ghosts they will reveal themselves. That’s horse shit! If ghosts want me to believe they need to show me first.
Do you see the insanity of what you’re saying? A skeptic can never believe first.
You guys questioned my motives the other day or suggested god wouldn’t be happy with me. Why? Does he hate smart people?
I’m certain this hypothesis makes us stupid. Or dubpmber than we would be without it. Happier too maybe.
Let me ask you something. Do you agree with Trump's spiritual adviser?
Recently, a member of President Donald Trump's spiritual adviser team proclaimed that people don't need to get flu vaccinations if they have come to Christ.
Let’s reverse engineer history.Because god can’t make humans who can make a proper fridge? Amirite or AMIRITE?We are responding to your sarcasm which allows us to know you didn’t start this thread to accept anything but what you want to hear.People discuss evolution because some people think that it doesn't exist. Same with god. I originally came here because I wanted to see if any believers had a solid foundation for believing in god, something that I could possibly agree with. I haven't found anything yet, just a bunch of people who seem really bitter when I ask the hard questions because their answers aren't logical and they seem to know it. Very bizarre.If god could be proven to be real then nobody would have any reason to argue against it. Like a tree, it would evident to all. Or do you argue about the existence of trees also?
Just for grins, why not enumerate all the world-wide, multi-cultural debates that take place over something that does not exist? How many other debates are you currently engaged in over something that does not exist? Do you know why there are arguments over adaptation/evolution? Because it exists. If it didn't, there would be no argument. Or, do you disagree? It may be deep in your sub-conscious or spirit, but there is something within you that acknowledges God because if there weren't, you wouldn't be arguing.
Now, Mr. Science, why do so many refrigerators get such bad reviews after only 6 months of use in the real world?
Apparently you never surrendered your all to GodNot true. I went from believer to not. That would make your comment wrong because I believed for 40 years. I saw no evidence. The evidence you see is isn’t evidence we would accept.When you believe God shows you the evidenceI just read an article from NASA which is partially the inspiration behind this topic:
WMAP- Fate of the Universe
It would seem to suggest that given enough time, all life in the known universe will most likely essentially “freeze” to death.
Now as a preface to this topic I suppose I should set some “assumptions” that I’m making. Let’s say that billions or more years ago, some supremely powerful conscious being created all the particles that exist along with all the rules that govern them; and that being is God.
Given all the messed up stuff that can happen to people, and has happened to people throughout history, and that existence will probably fade into frozen nothingness eventually; I’m having a hard time believing that “God” actually “cares” about us that much. Now I know that most people are good, but I think that’s mostly because it’s evolutionarily advantageous to be “good”. I think I have an innate empathy and conscientiousness for others because that is a trait that fosters cooperation; and human cooperation is a competitive advantage. Simply survival of the fittest.
So I guess I’m going to pose this question to you all: If there is a God (as outlined above) is there any evidence it really cares about you or my well being at a personal level?
No physical evidence that I know of. And yet there are billions of people who do believe in a God(s) through a large variety of religions. Maybe the better question is why do they believe in God when there's no hard evidence to base that belief on. Through out history ever since mankind has evolved enough to think of such things, people have believed in supernatural forces and created some some astounding places based on that strength. Egypt's pyramids for example, thousands of people helped build those things believing they would ascend to their version of an afterlife as a result of the work they did here on Earth. Or so some think anyway.
And omg think about what you’re saying. If you believe in ghosts they will reveal themselves. That’s horse shit! If ghosts want me to believe they need to show me first.
Do you see the insanity of what you’re saying? A skeptic can never believe first.
You guys questioned my motives the other day or suggested god wouldn’t be happy with me. Why? Does he hate smart people?
I’m certain this hypothesis makes us stupid. Or dubpmber than we would be without it. Happier too maybe.
You've never argued about something that doesn't exist? I've done it plenty of times, arguing about fictional characters.
And as Taz pointed out, there are quite a few people who argue that evolution is not real.
Nobody here has been able to show rationally and empirically why a god exists. That bothers you. I understand.
Was it also the first time someone pinched a penny?Let’s reverse engineer history.Because god can’t make humans who can make a proper fridge? Amirite or AMIRITE?We are responding to your sarcasm which allows us to know you didn’t start this thread to accept anything but what you want to hear.People discuss evolution because some people think that it doesn't exist. Same with god. I originally came here because I wanted to see if any believers had a solid foundation for believing in god, something that I could possibly agree with. I haven't found anything yet, just a bunch of people who seem really bitter when I ask the hard questions because their answers aren't logical and they seem to know it. Very bizarre.If god could be proven to be real then nobody would have any reason to argue against it. Like a tree, it would evident to all. Or do you argue about the existence of trees also?
Just for grins, why not enumerate all the world-wide, multi-cultural debates that take place over something that does not exist? How many other debates are you currently engaged in over something that does not exist? Do you know why there are arguments over adaptation/evolution? Because it exists. If it didn't, there would be no argument. Or, do you disagree? It may be deep in your sub-conscious or spirit, but there is something within you that acknowledges God because if there weren't, you wouldn't be arguing.
Now, Mr. Science, why do so many refrigerators get such bad reviews after only 6 months of use in the real world?
Tell me the first generation where Othodox Judaism as we know it started.
My ancestors were homesteaders.Nobody here has been able to show rationally and empirically why a god exists. That bothers you. I understand.
Doesn't bother me, but it sure seems to get your goat. What I understand is that many are like people who settle rather than cross an ocean or a prairie. Too many are fearful of letting go of the physical to explore the spiritual. Maybe the difference between us is that I come from pilgrim and pioneer stock. What about you?
Are you game or are you a confired atheist rather than the agnostic you claim to be?Was it also the first time someone pinched a penny?Let’s reverse engineer history.Because god can’t make humans who can make a proper fridge? Amirite or AMIRITE?We are responding to your sarcasm which allows us to know you didn’t start this thread to accept anything but what you want to hear.People discuss evolution because some people think that it doesn't exist. Same with god. I originally came here because I wanted to see if any believers had a solid foundation for believing in god, something that I could possibly agree with. I haven't found anything yet, just a bunch of people who seem really bitter when I ask the hard questions because their answers aren't logical and they seem to know it. Very bizarre.Just for grins, why not enumerate all the world-wide, multi-cultural debates that take place over something that does not exist? How many other debates are you currently engaged in over something that does not exist? Do you know why there are arguments over adaptation/evolution? Because it exists. If it didn't, there would be no argument. Or, do you disagree? It may be deep in your sub-conscious or spirit, but there is something within you that acknowledges God because if there weren't, you wouldn't be arguing.
Now, Mr. Science, why do so many refrigerators get such bad reviews after only 6 months of use in the real world?
Tell me the first generation where Othodox Judaism as we know it started.
As for god, I’m still looking for the real thing, you’ve settled for the book version.
You haven't been paying attention, have you?
You've never argued about something that doesn't exist? I've done it plenty of times, arguing about fictional characters.
And as Taz pointed out, there are quite a few people who argue that evolution is not real.
Both statements make my point.
