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Candycorn, that's confusing. Please advise. If the decline of unions matches the decline of American, how are unions more to blame than corporations? Thanks!These statistics are claimed to be true:
1. 50% of American wage earners earn less than $30k.
2. 63% of Americans can’t afford a $1,000 emergency.
3. 80% of American workers live pay check to pay check.
4. Since 1973 American productivity has increased by 77%, yet hourly pay has grown by 12%. If the minimum wage was tracked to productivity, it would be over $20 an hour today.
5. 41% of American workers earn less than $12 per hour, with most without employer provided HC.
6. Since 2008 the federal government and the Fed created $26 trillion out of nothing. Was any of this enormous sum spent on infrastructure, public education, universal HC, bail out 5.1 million people who lost their homes?
Not a pretty picture for the poor and middle class. Hopefully things are improving or we are headed for big trouble.
And the decline of unions has matched the enumerated list point for point up there.
A lot of blame is on Corporate America. More blame belongs on unions themselves.
These statistics are claimed to be true:
1. 50% of American wage earners earn less than $30k.
2. 63% of Americans can’t afford a $1,000 emergency.
3. 80% of American workers live pay check to pay check.
4. Since 1973 American productivity has increased by 77%, yet hourly pay has grown by 12%. If the minimum wage was tracked to productivity, it would be over $20 an hour today.
5. 41% of American workers earn less than $12 per hour, with most without employer provided HC.
6. Since 2008 the federal government and the Fed created $26 trillion out of nothing. Was any of this enormous sum spent on infrastructure, public education, universal HC, bail out 5.1 million people who lost their homes?
Not a pretty picture for the poor and middle class. Hopefully things are improving or we are headed for big trouble.
That is ridiculous. Of course not.At a certain point in any revolution there will come a time when dissenters will have to be dealt with.It depends on the social conditions prevalent at the time of any revolution.I agree, and most communists know that when communists take over, a lot of people have to die.
Tehon. HOw many people do you think would die, once the communists take over?
In your scenario, would you support arresting people for holding counter revolutionary views?
Would you support going though the archives of this site and others like it, and arresting people who revealed such counter revolutionary views?
We are not anywhere near a revolutionary moment.
That is exactly right. That is reality.
We had a social relationship. It wasn't producing enough profit for the capitalists who sought expansion beyond our national borders. So they created the conditions that would allow them to expand, thereby altering our social conditions.
The capitalists are in control. Then and now.
Soo..enter the solution..Communism, amirite, comrade?
As myself, I'm going to tell you to go fuck yourself, k?
Agreed. YOu're not getting that without a fight.
How many people you willing to kill to get your utopia, Tehon?
I'm willing to die to preserve the American way of life. True story.
One difference between Communists and Americans in America, is that Americans grew up shooting and probably have grandpappy's gun.
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I agree, and most communists know that when communists take over, a lot of people have to die.
Tehon. HOw many people do you think would die, once the communists take over?
Communism was bad, indeed.
Communism belongs in the junk pile but so does Capitalism.
Capitalism has a different set of problems.
Like Commies didn't outsource jobs, or insource illegals.
These are very real & dire issues of Capitalism.
You guys are fantasizing. You paste a fake label of communist on people without thinking what you are doing, then fantasize acting upon it...with guns. If that ain't MOB RULE, I don't know what is.That is exactly right. That is reality.
We had a social relationship. It wasn't producing enough profit for the capitalists who sought expansion beyond our national borders. So they created the conditions that would allow them to expand, thereby altering our social conditions.
The capitalists are in control. Then and now.
Soo..enter the solution..Communism, amirite, comrade?
As myself, I'm going to tell you to go fuck yourself, k?
Agreed. YOu're not getting that without a fight.
How many people you willing to kill to get your utopia, Tehon?
I'm willing to die to preserve the American way of life. True story.
One difference between Communists and Americans in America, is that Americans grew up shooting and probably have grandpappy's gun.
s.
I agree, and most communists know that when communists take over, a lot of people have to die.
Tehon. HOw many people do you think would die, once the communists take over?
Soo..enter the solution..Communism, amirite, comrade?
As myself, I'm going to tell you to go fuck yourself, k?
Agreed. YOu're not getting that without a fight.
How many people you willing to kill to get your utopia, Tehon?
I'm willing to die to preserve the American way of life. True story.
One difference between Communists and Americans in America, is that Americans grew up shooting and probably have grandpappy's gun.
s.
I agree, and most communists know that when communists take over, a lot of people have to die.
Tehon. HOw many people do you think would die, once the communists take over?
Communism was bad, indeed.
Communism belongs in the junk pile but so does Capitalism.
Capitalism has a different set of problems.
Like Commies didn't outsource jobs, or insource illegals.
These are very real & dire issues of Capitalism.
We had capitalism without outsourcing, or massive immigration in the past, and we can again.
It is not inherent to Capitalism.
Agreed. YOu're not getting that without a fight.
How many people you willing to kill to get your utopia, Tehon?
I'm willing to die to preserve the American way of life. True story.
One difference between Communists and Americans in America, is that Americans grew up shooting and probably have grandpappy's gun.
s.
I agree, and most communists know that when communists take over, a lot of people have to die.
Tehon. HOw many people do you think would die, once the communists take over?
Communism was bad, indeed.
Communism belongs in the junk pile but so does Capitalism.
Capitalism has a different set of problems.
Like Commies didn't outsource jobs, or insource illegals.
These are very real & dire issues of Capitalism.
We had capitalism without outsourcing, or massive immigration in the past, and we can again.
It is not inherent to Capitalism.
Not too much.
The USA had states rights on businesses during the 19th century.
Most states regulated business heavily.
Then Teddy Roosevelt trust busted monopolies & as most here know FDR had a strongly regulated economy.
Capitalism really came to the USA post WW2.
Within 15 - 20 years of Capitalism companies began outsourcing in mass & hiring more immigrants AGAIN.
You can't look at the election of Trump in a vacuum. The choice was Donnie or Hillary. Thousands of long time D voters voted for Donnie, which is why he won. We all knew Hillary was a warmongering corporatist elitist fool, but the D Party, the DNCMSM, and the ruling class did all they could to get her elected.The irony is that it was Reagan's push for neoliberalism that created the conditions which led to so many disaffected Republicans voting for the orange menace.Trump's short term exaggerations of the economy masks the long term effects his policies will have. The same phenomenon was seen with Reagan. It will be worse after Trump.
Exactly.....
Trump is a reganista , along with all his exhalted trickle downism.....
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one thousand dollars means very little. I
Marx was right about a lot things. He knew capitalism would devolve into the mess we have today and he predicted it in his writings. However, I am not sure his solutions are the answer.You think Marx never wrote about how capitalists bought government?We don't have true Capitalism anymore......we have Croney Capitalism.....Where the Gov't picks and chooses the winners and get to join the millionaires club for doing so........The Founding Fathers warned us that it would destroy us and they were correct......
Marx was never correct........and Marx is a blueprint for disaster well beyond Capitalism.
Candycorn, that's confusing. Please advise. If the decline of unions matches the decline of American, how are unions more to blame than corporations? Thanks!These statistics are claimed to be true:
1. 50% of American wage earners earn less than $30k.
2. 63% of Americans can’t afford a $1,000 emergency.
3. 80% of American workers live pay check to pay check.
4. Since 1973 American productivity has increased by 77%, yet hourly pay has grown by 12%. If the minimum wage was tracked to productivity, it would be over $20 an hour today.
5. 41% of American workers earn less than $12 per hour, with most without employer provided HC.
6. Since 2008 the federal government and the Fed created $26 trillion out of nothing. Was any of this enormous sum spent on infrastructure, public education, universal HC, bail out 5.1 million people who lost their homes?
Not a pretty picture for the poor and middle class. Hopefully things are improving or we are headed for big trouble.
And the decline of unions has matched the enumerated list point for point up there.
A lot of blame is on Corporate America. More blame belongs on unions themselves.
When I graduated High School, I received numerous letters from universities, the military, Peace Corps, etc. You know how many I received from unions? Zero.
Unions make the news when they do one of two things; go on strike or protect a lousy worker; when they tell/approve their member to either not work or be lousy at their job. Terrible PR.
Unions seem to (this is anecdotal; not factual--correct me if I'm wrong) have no internal policing of their members; they seem to not care if their members are improving to become better employees. For example, when computers turned up in every house, every office, every dorm room....were the Teamsters making their members (or partnering with their employers in their chapters to) get some level of computer literacy so they could go to UPS or US Steel or Ford and tell them that their workers are able to work with computers?
These statistics are claimed to be true:
1. 50% of American wage earners earn less than $30k.
2. 63% of Americans can’t afford a $1,000 emergency.
3. 80% of American workers live pay check to pay check.
4. Since 1973 American productivity has increased by 77%, yet hourly pay has grown by 12%. If the minimum wage was tracked to productivity, it would be over $20 an hour today.
5. 41% of American workers earn less than $12 per hour, with most without employer provided HC.
6. Since 2008 the federal government and the Fed created $26 trillion out of nothing. Was any of this enormous sum spent on infrastructure, public education, universal HC, bail out 5.1 million people who lost their homes?
Not a pretty picture for the poor and middle class. Hopefully things are improving or we are headed for big trouble.
All your points have validity , but all won't be solved by any given politician OR election
Nothing in our lives will change this November , because this is a course we've been on for a generation.
The rich get richer, the poor get poorer in America , that's FACT
It is not only Rs. Ds do exactly the same thing. Both parties are owned by the wealthy and thus do their bidding.Capitalist theory dictates that competition leads to better results.
That same theory would insist in regulating Capitalist monpolies who knock out competition laying people off & jacking up prices.
Republican Teddy Roosevelt did this with trust busting monopolies like Standard Oil.
Now a days Republicans are mega Capitalists & that is a problem.
Candycorn, that's confusing. Please advise. If the decline of unions matches the decline of American, how are unions more to blame than corporations? Thanks!These statistics are claimed to be true:
1. 50% of American wage earners earn less than $30k.
2. 63% of Americans can’t afford a $1,000 emergency.
3. 80% of American workers live pay check to pay check.
4. Since 1973 American productivity has increased by 77%, yet hourly pay has grown by 12%. If the minimum wage was tracked to productivity, it would be over $20 an hour today.
5. 41% of American workers earn less than $12 per hour, with most without employer provided HC.
6. Since 2008 the federal government and the Fed created $26 trillion out of nothing. Was any of this enormous sum spent on infrastructure, public education, universal HC, bail out 5.1 million people who lost their homes?
Not a pretty picture for the poor and middle class. Hopefully things are improving or we are headed for big trouble.
And the decline of unions has matched the enumerated list point for point up there.
A lot of blame is on Corporate America. More blame belongs on unions themselves.
If unions would focus on worker's pay, benefits, and job protections they might make a come back. Lord knows we need strong unions in nearly all our industries. It is too bad the unions aligned with the D party, only to be marginalized and hollowed out by the policies of the Ds and Rs, as jobs were shipped to Mexico and China.These statistics are claimed to be true:
1. 50% of American wage earners earn less than $30k.
2. 63% of Americans can’t afford a $1,000 emergency.
3. 80% of American workers live pay check to pay check.
4. Since 1973 American productivity has increased by 77%, yet hourly pay has grown by 12%. If the minimum wage was tracked to productivity, it would be over $20 an hour today.
5. 41% of American workers earn less than $12 per hour, with most without employer provided HC.
6. Since 2008 the federal government and the Fed created $26 trillion out of nothing. Was any of this enormous sum spent on infrastructure, public education, universal HC, bail out 5.1 million people who lost their homes?
Not a pretty picture for the poor and middle class. Hopefully things are improving or we are headed for big trouble.
And the decline of unions has matched the enumerated list point for point up there.
A lot of blame is on Corporate America. More blame belongs on unions themselves.
If unions would focus on worker's pay, benefits, and job protections they might make a come back. Lord knows we need strong unions in nearly all our industries. It is too bad the unions aligned with the D party, only to be marginalized and hollowed out by the policies of the Ds and Rs, as jobs were shipped to Mexico and China.These statistics are claimed to be true:
1. 50% of American wage earners earn less than $30k.
2. 63% of Americans can’t afford a $1,000 emergency.
3. 80% of American workers live pay check to pay check.
4. Since 1973 American productivity has increased by 77%, yet hourly pay has grown by 12%. If the minimum wage was tracked to productivity, it would be over $20 an hour today.
5. 41% of American workers earn less than $12 per hour, with most without employer provided HC.
6. Since 2008 the federal government and the Fed created $26 trillion out of nothing. Was any of this enormous sum spent on infrastructure, public education, universal HC, bail out 5.1 million people who lost their homes?
Not a pretty picture for the poor and middle class. Hopefully things are improving or we are headed for big trouble.
And the decline of unions has matched the enumerated list point for point up there.
A lot of blame is on Corporate America. More blame belongs on unions themselves.
This stuff has been true for a long timeThese statistics are claimed to be true:
1. 50% of American wage earners earn less than $30k.
2. 63% of Americans can’t afford a $1,000 emergency.
3. 80% of American workers live pay check to pay check.
4. Since 1973 American productivity has increased by 77%, yet hourly pay has grown by 12%. If the minimum wage was tracked to productivity, it would be over $20 an hour today.
5. 41% of American workers earn less than $12 per hour, with most without employer provided HC.
6. Since 2008 the federal government and the Fed created $26 trillion out of nothing. Was any of this enormous sum spent on infrastructure, public education, universal HC, bail out 5.1 million people who lost their homes?
Not a pretty picture for the poor and middle class. Hopefully things are improving or we are headed for big trouble.