If Universal Healthcare is a Bad Idea...

[Ray From Cleveland]

So you believe the poor should go without an education - if the parents can't afford it - AND without healthcare, if the parents can't afford it.

See, AGAIN, what I mean? It's all about widening the gap between rich and poor with these RWnuts.

NOWHERE in their agenda do you see anything that contradicts that statement.

Nobody should be forced to pay for other peoples shit… this is not a village, fuck the village

Fine. Then exempt me from all of my taxes that go to the military. That is ALL other people's shit.

Yep exempt me from paying taxes to any program I don't take part in. And then take that money and put all into programs I support. That sounds like a great plan!

Unconstitutional.

You don't want to pay for poor people programs, well I have programs I don't want to be forced to pay for. It's a fair deal. See just how fast the homeless and poor problem gets fixed when all the Rich people of America that hate wars start putting all their money into the poor people programs and not the military.

They can do that now. Nothing stopping them.

 

[Rustic]

Then you reject public education?

Which, if you think about it, is universal education, using the healthcare terminology.

I don't reject public education, I do reject how it's paid for......at least in our state.

Our schools are funded by property taxes--not if or how many children you have in the school system. In fact I filed a complaint about my property taxes and I have a hearing date setup in a few weeks. So what happened after I got the date? The Board of Education sent me a notice they are sending their sleezy lawyers to the hearing to fight me on it.

I have never had children in my life. None of my tenants ever had children in the public school system. Yet we collectively are paying three times the amount of money to the schools than the lady down the street with four kids in the system. That's unfair.

Schools should be funded mostly by the parents. There is your universal school system. Taxing me for something I'll never use is plain robbery. I decided early in life never to have children mostly because of the expense. If you have children, then you should pay for their education--not me.

So you believe the poor should go without an education - if the parents can't afford it - AND without healthcare, if the parents can't afford it.

See, AGAIN, what I mean? It's all about widening the gap between rich and poor with these RWnuts.

NOWHERE in their agenda do you see anything that contradicts that statement.

Nobody should be forced to pay for other peoples shit… this is not a village, fuck the village

Fine. Then exempt me from all of my taxes that go to the military. That is ALL other people's shit.

Yep exempt me from paying taxes to any program I don't take part in. And then take that money and put all into programs I support. That sounds like a great plan!

That's the way it should be… The federal government is the most inefficient way to do anything. fact

 

[Rustic]

Provide a public option and we can all see what is the most efficient public or private.

You fuckers keep your public option, leave the rest of us out of it. Millions of Americans want nothing to do with the collective

 

[frigidweirdo]

So, if you're poor, you shouldn't get healthcare.

Welcome to the "American Fuck you".

That's the Anerican Way. When my great-grandparents came here in 1900, they didn't get anything. My great-grandfather rebuilt a doctor's barn to pay for his services when my great-grandmother got pregnant in 1904. The Government didnt give them a damn thing.

Oh, sure it was, it was the way everywhere. Just some countries grew up, and you're basically telling me the US is still in 1900.

And then we get these religious folk telling us about how fucking great life is and we shouldn't be going around killing fetuses because they're alive, but hell, once they're born, if they ain't got a job by the time they're two, then they're going to DIE.... it's the Ahmehricunt way.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So you believe the poor should go without an education - if the parents can't afford it - AND without healthcare, if the parents can't afford it.

See, AGAIN, what I mean? It's all about widening the gap between rich and poor with these RWnuts.

NOWHERE in their agenda do you see anything that contradicts that statement.

Nobody should be forced to pay for other peoples shit… this is not a village, fuck the village

Fine. Then exempt me from all of my taxes that go to the military. That is ALL other people's shit.

Yep exempt me from paying taxes to any program I don't take part in. And then take that money and put all into programs I support. That sounds like a great plan!

Unconstitutional.

You don't want to pay for poor people programs, well I have programs I don't want to be forced to pay for. It's a fair deal. See just how fast the homeless and poor problem gets fixed when all the Rich people of America that hate wars start putting all their money into the poor people programs and not the military.

Conservatives want taxes to only for things they like, but they also want everyone else to pay taxes on what they like, whether or not everyone else likes them.

 

[Rustic]

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And you believe that the poor should have it better than the working. The poor children should have video games and the children of the working can play with marbles.

I believe that if EVERYONE receives basic healthcare as a right, then NO ONE can complain that it's the 'other' people who are getting the benefit.

Fuck that, millions of Americans want nothing to do with the collective

 

[NYcarbineer]

Provide a public option and we can all see what is the most efficient public or private.

You fuckers keep your public option, leave the rest of us out of it. Millions of Americans want nothing to do with the collective

The military is the most 'collective' institution in America.

 

[Tehon]

Then you reject public education?

Which, if you think about it, is universal education, using the healthcare terminology.

I don't reject public education, I do reject how it's paid for......at least in our state.

Our schools are funded by property taxes--not if or how many children you have in the school system. In fact I filed a complaint about my property taxes and I have a hearing date setup in a few weeks. So what happened after I got the date? The Board of Education sent me a notice they are sending their sleezy lawyers to the hearing to fight me on it.

I have never had children in my life. None of my tenants ever had children in the public school system. Yet we collectively are paying three times the amount of money to the schools than the lady down the street with four kids in the system. That's unfair.

Schools should be funded mostly by the parents. There is your universal school system. Taxing me for something I'll never use is plain robbery. I decided early in life never to have children mostly because of the expense. If you have children, then you should pay for their education--not me.

So you believe the poor should go without an education - if the parents can't afford it - AND without healthcare, if the parents can't afford it.

See, AGAIN, what I mean? It's all about widening the gap between rich and poor with these RWnuts.

NOWHERE in their agenda do you see anything that contradicts that statement.

Nobody should be forced to pay for other peoples shit… this is not a village, fuck the village

Fine. Then exempt me from all of my taxes that go to the military. That is ALL other people's shit.

Nope. It is a Constitutionally mandated responsibility of the federal government, which can levy taxes against you in support of it.

Delete.

Epic fail on my part. oops!

 

[WheelieAddict]

Provide a public option and we can all see what is the most efficient public or private.

You fuckers keep your public option, leave the rest of us out of it. Millions of Americans want nothing to do with the collective

Then don't choose it. If you are right it will die. So no reason to be afraid of it.

 

[Rustic]

Provide a public option and we can all see what is the most efficient public or private.

That's the best 'fix' for Obamacare if we're going to stay in that approach to healthcare.

Like i said keep your fucking socialist shit yourselves, leave the rest of us out of it. It does not require our participation.
Millions of Americans want nothing to do with the collective

 

[Rustic]

They believe that denying poor children healthcare will keep their own taxes low,

and give them more money to buy their own children better toys.

And you believe that the poor should have it better than the working. The poor children should have video games and the children of the working can play with marbles.

This is the part where Ray from Cleveland believes that the poor don't work, and the working people aren't poor.

Blaming the poor for their circumstances is an easy rationalization for neglecting them.

Why don't you bleeding hearts put your money where your mouth is?… Forcing people to pay for other people shit is immoral in every way...

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

So you believe the poor should go without an education - if the parents can't afford it - AND without healthcare, if the parents can't afford it.

See, AGAIN, what I mean? It's all about widening the gap between rich and poor with these RWnuts.

NOWHERE in their agenda do you see anything that contradicts that statement.

Nobody should be forced to pay for other peoples shit… this is not a village, fuck the village

Fine. Then exempt me from all of my taxes that go to the military. That is ALL other people's shit.

Yep exempt me from paying taxes to any program I don't take part in. And then take that money and put all into programs I support. That sounds like a great plan!

Unconstitutional.

You don't want to pay for poor people programs, well I have programs I don't want to be forced to pay for. It's a fair deal. See just how fast the homeless and poor problem gets fixed when all the Rich people of America that hate wars start putting all their money into the poor people programs and not the military.

Try reading the Constitution.

 

[Rustic]

Provide a public option and we can all see what is the most efficient public or private.

You fuckers keep your public option, leave the rest of us out of it. Millions of Americans want nothing to do with the collective

Then don't choose it. If you are right it will die. So no reason to be afraid of it.

That's what I'm saying healthcare should be a personal issue, everyone should pay for their own shit.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

I don't reject public education, I do reject how it's paid for......at least in our state.

Our schools are funded by property taxes--not if or how many children you have in the school system. In fact I filed a complaint about my property taxes and I have a hearing date setup in a few weeks. So what happened after I got the date? The Board of Education sent me a notice they are sending their sleezy lawyers to the hearing to fight me on it.

I have never had children in my life. None of my tenants ever had children in the public school system. Yet we collectively are paying three times the amount of money to the schools than the lady down the street with four kids in the system. That's unfair.

Schools should be funded mostly by the parents. There is your universal school system. Taxing me for something I'll never use is plain robbery. I decided early in life never to have children mostly because of the expense. If you have children, then you should pay for their education--not me.

So you believe the poor should go without an education - if the parents can't afford it - AND without healthcare, if the parents can't afford it.

See, AGAIN, what I mean? It's all about widening the gap between rich and poor with these RWnuts.

NOWHERE in their agenda do you see anything that contradicts that statement.

Nobody should be forced to pay for other peoples shit… this is not a village, fuck the village

Fine. Then exempt me from all of my taxes that go to the military. That is ALL other people's shit.

Nope. It is a Constitutionally mandated responsibility of the federal government, which can levy taxes against you in support of it.

Delete.

Epic fail on my part. oops!

See that it doesn't happen again.

 

[WheelieAddict]

Provide a public option and we can all see what is the most efficient public or private.

You fuckers keep your public option, leave the rest of us out of it. Millions of Americans want nothing to do with the collective

Then don't choose it. If you are right it will die. So no reason to be afraid of it.

That's what I'm saying healthcare should be a personal issue, everyone should pay for their own shit.

Yep you can opt for paying taxes for single payer or opt out and go for the free market. Lets do this.

 

[Rustic]

Provide a public option and we can all see what is the most efficient public or private.

That's the best 'fix' for Obamacare if we're going to stay in that approach to healthcare.

It's likely a great way to curb runaway costs right away. I'm sure all the free market people here won't be against a public option, as they are sure the free market is the best, so a public option shouldn't be a threat to their better system. If the public option sucks people will avoid it. Let the best system win.

Obamacare would have been fine if it was an "opt in"... the only people in it would've been the people that wanted to be in it.

 

[Muhammed]

Then please stay in thst country and keep your nose out of American Society. It may be a Right in your country, but it most definitely is not here. If it ever becomes one, I'll be dead.

She claims it is a right in her country, BUT she says she wasn't born with that right. How the fuck does that happen? Well, it happens because the government gives them health care now but didn't when she was born. In other words, that colossal idiot thinks rights come from government.

Natural rights are inalienable. Legal rights are granted by law. That means rights granted by government stupid.

That means we here in the US do not have a right to healthcare. Just like I said stupid.

Health care has been a right in the USA ever since Reagan signed the EMTAL Act in 1986.

Nope, not at all true.

Bullshit.

 

[Rustic]

Who should go without?

False dilemma

Does not apply. Healthcare is either universal or it's not. If you want to make an argument as to why healthcare shouldn't be universal,

then do so.

Healthcare in the USA has always been universal. Insurance is not healthcare.

Bingo!!!
The more people take care of their own shit the less problem it is for the rest of us…

 

[peach174]

Nobody should be forced to pay for other peoples shit… this is not a village, fuck the village

Fine. Then exempt me from all of my taxes that go to the military. That is ALL other people's shit.

Yep exempt me from paying taxes to any program I don't take part in. And then take that money and put all into programs I support. That sounds like a great plan!

Unconstitutional.

You don't want to pay for poor people programs, well I have programs I don't want to be forced to pay for. It's a fair deal. See just how fast the homeless and poor problem gets fixed when all the Rich people of America that hate wars start putting all their money into the poor people programs and not the military.

Conservatives want taxes to only for things they like, but they also want everyone else to pay taxes on what they like, whether or not everyone else likes them.

No
We don't like the federal gov. taking our hard earned cash and putting it in as a collective for the governments choosing.
We as individuals should choose which causes to fund ,not them.
Social Dems need to get collectivism out of their heads.
America is about freedom and individualism.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You're like a fucking broken record. And how many vacations have they been able to take their family on? Can they buy the brand new gaming systems other families do? How many new cars do they have? How often do they get to go out to dinner at a nice restaurant? Do you think they are proud parents to their children because they can't afford to do simple things like take their kids to a movie like their kid's friend's parents can?

Okay, how many vacations do they take their family on? They are on vacation every day. I only get two weeks. As far as going somewhere, I don't know, but as for myself, I haven't been on a vacation where I go somewhere in over 30 years.

Can they buy the latest gaming system? I don't know, but whatever they do have has got to be newer than my Playstation 2.

How many new cars do they have? None, and neither do I. I have a 2009 Toyota Camry,

How often do they go to dinner at a nice restaurant. I don't know, and I don't run into them since I haven't been at a nice restaurant in decades.

Movies? Well that might be too pricy for them since they have four kids--two more than the average working family. And if they can't give their children the extras that they are deprived of, maybe they shouldn't have had kids in the first place??? Or if they want to take their family out to the movies twice a month, work at McDonald's two days a month and that's enough to afford the movies.

The sad thing in all this is, you actually think that people enjoy being poor so that they can get HUD and Food Stamps... despite the fact they can't actually get the things that others enjoy in life.

They may not enjoy being poor, but they don't mind it either.

You must be one miserable son of a bitch to be around in real life sitting at your front window watching people in your neighborhood complaining about everything they do.

And I shouldn't be? I should just hand over my money to the government and not care how they spend it? When I see my neighbor getting disability checks going to the gas station every morning when I leave for work to buy beer, that's something I shouldn't be concerned about?

Oh, that's right, you think it's governments money and not mine. When they need more, they just go to the money tree in the back of the White House and pick more.