If Universal Healthcare is a Bad Idea...

[NYcarbineer]

No shit. They're a means of paying for your healthcare.

Just because someone has insurance does not mean that the insurance companies gonna pay for shit…

I suppose if you're too dumb to know what you've bought then sure.

Any type a mandatory insurance is legalized extortion… So it cannot be trusted

You don't want a country do you?

The whole concept of insurance is fraudulent...

Single payer is not insurance.

 

[Rustic]

Just because someone has insurance does not mean that the insurance companies gonna pay for shit…

I suppose if you're too dumb to know what you've bought then sure.

Any type a mandatory insurance is legalized extortion… So it cannot be trusted

You don't want a country do you?

The whole concept of insurance is fraudulent...

No, it isn't. It is called, risk management. The right wing would know that, if they had more than just repeal.

Any community that pays for things with insurance/socialist entitlement programs is just asking for sky high costs....

 

[Rustic]

Just because someone has insurance does not mean that the insurance companies gonna pay for shit…

I suppose if you're too dumb to know what you've bought then sure.

Any type a mandatory insurance is legalized extortion… So it cannot be trusted

You don't want a country do you?

The whole concept of insurance is fraudulent...

Single payer is not insurance.

It's worse if that's possible, it's a tax that cannot be controlled.

 

[danielpalos]

I suppose if you're too dumb to know what you've bought then sure.

Any type a mandatory insurance is legalized extortion… So it cannot be trusted

You don't want a country do you?

The whole concept of insurance is fraudulent...

No, it isn't. It is called, risk management. The right wing would know that, if they had more than just repeal.

Any community that pays for things with insurance/socialist entitlement programs is just asking for sky high costs....

Spreading risk lowers costs.

 

[Rustic]

Any type a mandatory insurance is legalized extortion… So it cannot be trusted

You don't want a country do you?

The whole concept of insurance is fraudulent...

No, it isn't. It is called, risk management. The right wing would know that, if they had more than just repeal.

Any community that pays for things with insurance/socialist entitlement programs is just asking for sky high costs....

Spreading risk lowers costs.

No, any group of people thinking insurance will pay for everything doesn't care about cost…
It's best for people to pay for their own shit...

 

[Vandalshandle]

Instead of demanding I pay for those who won't, why don't you demand that people take responsibility for their own life?

You're already paying for those who don't.

Those expensive ER visits that people access for "free" because they have nothing else? You're paying for that.

Those expensive treatments that could have been caught early if the uncovered patient had access to preventive and diagnostic coverage? You're paying for that.

Those extremely low co-pays that Medicaid recipients get to pay? You're paying for that.

When the hospitals and treatment centers get STIFFED by people who have high deductibles and can't afford them? You're paying for that.

Yay! Freedom!


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So then there is no need for Me to pay a second time, is there?

Do you understand that dependency is not compassion?

BTW.....why didn't you answer My question?

I assumed it was a rhetorical question. Or wishful thinking. It's not going to happen on a macro scale, so we need a plan B for the real world.

I wonder how much you know about the Medicare Supplement/Medicare Advantage system.
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I that right now, the left have created such a dependency on their largess that they can stand in front of the American people and scream that people (Large numbers of people) are going to die (let Me rephrase that) DIE!!! if we cut a minuscule amount of a planned increase in Medicare and Medicaid.

Do you think that this equates to compassion or recklessness? Do you think that a dependency on anyone or anything other than yourself is a healthy way to live?

Tell Me. What happens when they tell you that you're too old for this procedure. They already justify it. I guess they just have to die, right?
Tell Me, what happens when the government goes broke and the people have been weaned off of self-sufficiency?
Tell Me, in today's environment of raw hatred for those who do not do as they say or think, how safe will you be when the entity with the fucking guns tell you that you'll do this, or we'll withhold your healthcare, or better yet, you vote for us, or your mother doesn't get that operation.

Don't even dare to believe it cannot happen.

Get a grip, DW.

 

[danielpalos]

You don't want a country do you?

The whole concept of insurance is fraudulent...

No, it isn't. It is called, risk management. The right wing would know that, if they had more than just repeal.

Any community that pays for things with insurance/socialist entitlement programs is just asking for sky high costs....

Spreading risk lowers costs.

No, any group of people thinking insurance will pay for everything doesn't care about cost…
It's best for people to pay for their own shit...

A "national health care tax" could solve that problem.

 

[Rustic]

The whole concept of insurance is fraudulent...

No, it isn't. It is called, risk management. The right wing would know that, if they had more than just repeal.

Any community that pays for things with insurance/socialist entitlement programs is just asking for sky high costs....

Spreading risk lowers costs.

No, any group of people thinking insurance will pay for everything doesn't care about cost…
It's best for people to pay for their own shit...

A "national health care tax" could solve that problem.

It would only help Deadbeats...

 

[Vandalshandle]

I have a nephew who's son is a self employed studio musician, so he has no group insurance. He is 22, and married. He has juvenile diabetes, and his wife gave birth to a baby boy with a hole in his heart. According to the GOP budget director, and several posters on this board, he does not deserve insurance for himself, or his son, because they made "bad lifestyle decisions". However, thanks to ACA, he is getting his medication, and the baby had heart surgery. I guess that they should be labeled deadbeats.

 

[Marion Morrison]

It's never a good Idea to give the government a say in whether you live or die.

Your loved ones should be who makes that call.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Who should go without?

False dilemma

Does not apply. Healthcare is either universal or it's not. If you want to make an argument as to why healthcare shouldn't be universal,

then do so.

/----- Fake issue.


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[dblack]

It's never a good Idea to give the government a say in whether you live or die.

Your loved ones should be who makes that call.

That, to me, is the prime issue in all of this. I don't want the health of my friends and family subjected to politics.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Oh, sure it was, it was the way everywhere. Just some countries grew up, and you're basically telling me the US is still in 1900.

No. We're not in 1900. With 26 specific exceptions we should still be in the last 25 years of the 18th Century. You know, when this nation was founded and the rules which were intended to govern this nation (Thge US Constitution) were put in place.

Yeah, well, wanting to be in the past, to have a Constitution which is outdated and causing problems, and the people are loving it, and then complain about the corruption which is caused by it, a bit confusing.

 

[Darkwind]

Bull shit. I'm in healthcare, you have no right to my time or my training. It's the stupidest argument coming from the left since, well, you guys say a LOT of stupid shit.

You're paid by a healthcare provider. You abide by their business plan whether you agree or not.

People no doubt hate seeing you coming.

I am paid, you have to pay the provider for your healthcare. If you have to pay for it it isn't a right.

So, guns are free then?

You are just too stupid. The second amendment affords the right to bear them, not the right to own one. You aren't really smart enough to be arguing.

Well, that's just retarded logic.

Really? You see, I have the right to own a gun, I do NOT have the right to have government supply it for Me.
I have the right to purchase health care, I do not have the right to have government supply it for Me.

The government cannot force Me to buy a gun even though I have a right to buy it.
The government cannot force Me to buy health care even though I have a right to buy it.

Understand?

 

[frigidweirdo]

It's never a good Idea to give the government a say in whether you live or die.

Your loved ones should be who makes that call.

That, to me, is the prime issue in all of this. I don't want the health of my friends and family subjected to politics.

But then your health is in the hands of private companies, is that better?

 

[Darkwind]

Instead of demanding I pay for those who won't, why don't you demand that people take responsibility for their own life?

You're already paying for those who don't.

Those expensive ER visits that people access for "free" because they have nothing else? You're paying for that.

Those expensive treatments that could have been caught early if the uncovered patient had access to preventive and diagnostic coverage? You're paying for that.

Those extremely low co-pays that Medicaid recipients get to pay? You're paying for that.

When the hospitals and treatment centers get STIFFED by people who have high deductibles and can't afford them? You're paying for that.

Yay! Freedom!


.

So then there is no need for Me to pay a second time, is there?

Do you understand that dependency is not compassion?

BTW.....why didn't you answer My question?

I assumed it was a rhetorical question. Or wishful thinking. It's not going to happen on a macro scale, so we need a plan B for the real world.

I wonder how much you know about the Medicare Supplement/Medicare Advantage system.
.

I that right now, the left have created such a dependency on their largess that they can stand in front of the American people and scream that people (Large numbers of people) are going to die (let Me rephrase that) DIE!!! if we cut a minuscule amount of a planned increase in Medicare and Medicaid.

Do you think that this equates to compassion or recklessness? Do you think that a dependency on anyone or anything other than yourself is a healthy way to live?

Tell Me. What happens when they tell you that you're too old for this procedure. They already justify it. I guess they just have to die, right?
Tell Me, what happens when the government goes broke and the people have been weaned off of self-sufficiency?
Tell Me, in today's environment of raw hatred for those who do not do as they say or think, how safe will you be when the entity with the fucking guns tell you that you'll do this, or we'll withhold your healthcare, or better yet, you vote for us, or your mother doesn't get that operation.

Don't even dare to believe it cannot happen.

Get a grip, DW.

I do have a grip. The problem is, the insane left do not.

 

[Marion Morrison]

It's never a good Idea to give the government a say in whether you live or die.

Your loved ones should be who makes that call.

That, to me, is the prime issue in all of this. I don't want the health of my friends and family subjected to politics.

But then your health is in the hands of private companies, is that better?

What about if "my health" is subject to the best doctor I can find that will accept what I'm willing to pay.

 

[Flash]

Who should go without?

Go be poor someplace else.

It is your responsibility to pay your bills so go do it and quit your whining, Moon Bat..

 

[Darkwind]

It's never a good Idea to give the government a say in whether you live or die.

Your loved ones should be who makes that call.

That, to me, is the prime issue in all of this. I don't want the health of my friends and family subjected to politics.

But then your health is in the hands of private companies, is that better?

How so? No one in mandating I have to stay with any particular insurance company or any particular doctor. With government, I have no choice in either case. This means that I give up complete control with universal coverage, whereas I don't when it is My call.

 

[Marion Morrison]

I was just looking through doctor bills that said $26-$27

skeeter-bite included. I did not like that