If Universal Healthcare is a Bad Idea...

[Hutch Starskey]

If I can't afford it I will not go to the doctor… That's the way it should be with all purchases

So dying or in great pain is an alternative??

Among the criminally stupid, yes.

 

[Darkwind]

Instead of demanding I pay for those who won't, why don't you demand that people take responsibility for their own life?

You're already paying for those who don't.

Those expensive ER visits that people access for "free" because they have nothing else? You're paying for that.

Those expensive treatments that could have been caught early if the uncovered patient had access to preventive and diagnostic coverage? You're paying for that.

Those extremely low co-pays that Medicaid recipients get to pay? You're paying for that.

When the hospitals and treatment centers get STIFFED by people who have high deductibles and can't afford them? You're paying for that.

Yay! Freedom!


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So then there is no need for Me to pay a second time, is there?

Do you understand that dependency is not compassion?

BTW.....why didn't you answer My question?

I assumed it was a rhetorical question. Or wishful thinking. It's not going to happen on a macro scale, so we need a plan B for the real world.

I wonder how much you know about the Medicare Supplement/Medicare Advantage system.
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Tell Me something. When Obamacare kicked in, did I get to stop paying for all those emergency room visits that were not covered by Obamacare?

 

[Rustic]

The people that do not want it, and should not be paying for other people....
Fucking Control freaks...

If you don't want it, then never seek care. Simple.

Health insurance/single payer are not healthcare… Dipshit
Lol

No shit. They're a means of paying for your healthcare.

Just because someone has insurance does not mean that the insurance companies gonna pay for shit…

I suppose if you're too dumb to know what you've bought then sure.

Any type a mandatory insurance is legalized extortion… So it cannot be trusted

 

[Rustic]

If I can't afford it I will not go to the doctor… That's the way it should be with all purchases

So dying or in great pain is an alternative??

Among the criminally stupid, yes.

So you're against preventive care?
I don't expect other people to pay for my shit...

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Then please stay in thst country and keep your nose out of American Society. It may be a Right in your country, but it most definitely is not here. If it ever becomes one, I'll be dead.

She claims it is a right in her country, BUT she says she wasn't born with that right. How the fuck does that happen? Well, it happens because the government gives them health care now but didn't when she was born. In other words, that colossal idiot thinks rights come from government.

Natural rights are inalienable. Legal rights are granted by law. That means rights granted by government stupid.

That means we here in the US do not have a right to healthcare. Just like I said stupid.

Yep, that's why federal law mandates that everyone must receive care regardless of their ability to pay.

Why do you have to pay for a right dumbass?

Do you pay for a gun?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

If I can't afford it I will not go to the doctor… That's the way it should be with all purchases

So dying or in great pain is an alternative??

Among the criminally stupid, yes.

So you're against preventive care?
I don't expect other people to pay for my shit...

There is no preventative care for a car accident. What do you imagine Scalise's hospital bill will be?

 

[Rustic]

If I can't afford it I will not go to the doctor… That's the way it should be with all purchases

So dying or in great pain is an alternative??

Among the criminally stupid, yes.

So you're against preventive care?
I don't expect other people to pay for my shit...

There is no preventative care for a car accident. What do you imagine Scalise's hospital bill will be?

And your point is?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

No one should go without healthcare. It is a basic human right.

Bull shit. I'm in healthcare, you have no right to my time or my training. It's the stupidest argument coming from the left since, well, you guys say a LOT of stupid shit.

You're paid by a healthcare provider. You abide by their business plan whether you agree or not.

People no doubt hate seeing you coming.

I am paid, you have to pay the provider for your healthcare. If you have to pay for it it isn't a right.

So, guns are free then?

You are just too stupid. The second amendment affords the right to bear them, not the right to own one. You aren't really smart enough to be arguing.

Well, that's just retarded logic.

 

[PredFan]

She claims it is a right in her country, BUT she says she wasn't born with that right. How the fuck does that happen? Well, it happens because the government gives them health care now but didn't when she was born. In other words, that colossal idiot thinks rights come from government.

Natural rights are inalienable. Legal rights are granted by law. That means rights granted by government stupid.

That means we here in the US do not have a right to healthcare. Just like I said stupid.

Yep, that's why federal law mandates that everyone must receive care regardless of their ability to pay.

Why do you have to pay for a right dumbass?

Do you pay for a gun?

Yeah, you are certainly too stupid to argue with.

 

[eddiew]

If I can't afford it I will not go to the doctor… That's the way it should be with all purchases

So dying or in great pain is an alternative??

Among the criminally stupid, yes.

So you're against preventive care?
I don't expect other people to pay for my shit...

There is no preventative care for a car accident. What do you imagine Scalise's hospital bill will be?

millions

 

[Hutch Starskey]

If I can't afford it I will not go to the doctor… That's the way it should be with all purchases

So dying or in great pain is an alternative??

Among the criminally stupid, yes.

So you're against preventive care?
I don't expect other people to pay for my shit...

There is no preventative care for a car accident. What do you imagine Scalise's hospital bill will be?

And your point is?

Just what it says, fool.

 

[NYcarbineer]

If you don't want it, then never seek care. Simple.

Health insurance/single payer are not healthcare… Dipshit
Lol

No shit. They're a means of paying for your healthcare.

Just because someone has insurance does not mean that the insurance companies gonna pay for shit…

I suppose if you're too dumb to know what you've bought then sure.

Any type a mandatory insurance is legalized extortion… So it cannot be trusted

You don't want a country do you?

 

[danielpalos]

Universal health care is not a bad idea; the right wing merely has, nothing but repeal, that is the problem.

 

[Rustic]

If I can't afford it I will not go to the doctor… That's the way it should be with all purchases

So dying or in great pain is an alternative??

Among the criminally stupid, yes.

So you're against preventive care?
I don't expect other people to pay for my shit...

There is no preventative care for a car accident. What do you imagine Scalise's hospital bill will be?

millions

Why?
When you charge $100 for a razor blade and the like… LOL

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Instead of demanding I pay for those who won't, why don't you demand that people take responsibility for their own life?

You're already paying for those who don't.

Those expensive ER visits that people access for "free" because they have nothing else? You're paying for that.

Those expensive treatments that could have been caught early if the uncovered patient had access to preventive and diagnostic coverage? You're paying for that.

Those extremely low co-pays that Medicaid recipients get to pay? You're paying for that.

When the hospitals and treatment centers get STIFFED by people who have high deductibles and can't afford them? You're paying for that.

Yay! Freedom!


.

So then there is no need for Me to pay a second time, is there?

Do you understand that dependency is not compassion?

BTW.....why didn't you answer My question?

Why don't the industrialized nations of the world who do provide universal healthcare have more problems with poverty than we do?

What problems with poverty do we have and how do you relate that to healthcare?

If you were poor, what country would you rather be poor in than the USA?

Our poor people are fat from eating too much. They get free cell phones funded by people who pay their own cell phone bill. They get free healthcare, free housing in the suburbs, utilities paid, and they can have as many children as they desire without a worry of support.

Our poor live in larger homes than working Europeans. They have air conditioning, vehicles, television, and many with cable or satellite.

 

[Rustic]

Health insurance/single payer are not healthcare… Dipshit
Lol

No shit. They're a means of paying for your healthcare.

Just because someone has insurance does not mean that the insurance companies gonna pay for shit…

I suppose if you're too dumb to know what you've bought then sure.

Any type a mandatory insurance is legalized extortion… So it cannot be trusted

You don't want a country do you?

The whole concept of insurance is fraudulent...

 

[Rustic]

Universal health care is not a bad idea; the right wing merely has, nothing but repeal, that is the problem.

Universal healthcare is fine if it's voluntary... forced socialist entitlement programs are bullshit.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Instead of demanding I pay for those who won't, why don't you demand that people take responsibility for their own life?

You're already paying for those who don't.

Those expensive ER visits that people access for "free" because they have nothing else? You're paying for that.

Not necessarily. How those losses are absorbed is entirely situational. But you're right to point out that EMTALA is an unfunded mandate, and when faced with these kinds of mandates, business have to find a way account for the loss. In general, they have to cut jobs, raise prices or go out of business.

In any case, you have to appreciate how this sounds to those us opposed to these mandates in the first place. We hear you saying "Listen, we have to have this new law that violates your rights because of this other law that violates your rights." - it doesn't make a lot of sense. It's drinking to cure a hangover.

Yeah, we're simply not going to max out access, low cost and quality, at least not until medical technology takes a few more steps (which it will). For now, however, I think that expanding the Medicare/Medicare Supplement/Medicare Advantage system to all solves/mitigates the most problems at one time. It's a reasonable point of equilibrium between Single Payer (where we appear to be heading) and free market competition. And a side benefit is that it takes a massive cost monkey off the backs of American business.

I'm one of the few people here screaming this, I realize that too...
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i suggested something like that a couple of times. My idea is that if we want to give businesses tax cuts, give those cuts to employers who provide reasonable health insurance to their employees. As far as Medicare goes, allow people with preexisting conditions to join the program for a reasonable monthly cost just like we do with younger people on SS disability. That would reduce the costs to insurance companies and keep the cost of premiums down. Plus I think it's something any Democrat would go along with.

 

[danielpalos]

Instead of demanding I pay for those who won't, why don't you demand that people take responsibility for their own life?

You're already paying for those who don't.

Those expensive ER visits that people access for "free" because they have nothing else? You're paying for that.

Those expensive treatments that could have been caught early if the uncovered patient had access to preventive and diagnostic coverage? You're paying for that.

Those extremely low co-pays that Medicaid recipients get to pay? You're paying for that.

When the hospitals and treatment centers get STIFFED by people who have high deductibles and can't afford them? You're paying for that.

Yay! Freedom!


.

So then there is no need for Me to pay a second time, is there?

Do you understand that dependency is not compassion?

BTW.....why didn't you answer My question?

Why don't the industrialized nations of the world who do provide universal healthcare have more problems with poverty than we do?

What problems with poverty do we have and how do you relate that to healthcare?

If you were poor, what country would you rather be poor in than the USA?

Our poor people are fat from eating too much. They get free cell phones funded by people who pay their own cell phone bill. They get free healthcare, free housing in the suburbs, utilities paid, and they can have as many children as they desire without a worry of support.

Our poor live in larger homes than working Europeans. They have air conditioning, vehicles, television, and many with cable or satellite.

"Poor lifestyle choices while being poor and having poor access to medical advice and care"?

 

[danielpalos]

No shit. They're a means of paying for your healthcare.

Just because someone has insurance does not mean that the insurance companies gonna pay for shit…

I suppose if you're too dumb to know what you've bought then sure.

Any type a mandatory insurance is legalized extortion… So it cannot be trusted

You don't want a country do you?

The whole concept of insurance is fraudulent...

No, it isn't. It is called, risk management. The right wing would know that, if they had more than just repeal.