If We Close Down All Mosques; Eliminate All Korans. THEN What ?

[protectionist]

We send all the believers back home.

Many were born here in the US.

You would not affect the radicals, they would meet in secret. You would however turn the moderates against us. Lose lose, your typical proposal.

The moderates will turn no matter what, proving they never were moderates. This is war. You fight it and win it. If you don't fight it, you lose it.

 

[protectionist]

"If We Close Down All Mosques; Eliminate All Korans. THEN What ?"

Then you could start on the bible.

But before that, you have that pesky First Amendment to get rid of.

(RWs are SO predictable.)

The bible isn't supremacist, and the first amendment has nothing to do with it. Liberals are SO ignorant.

 

[protectionist]

What would be the effect of shutting Islam down in the US ? That is, by closing down all the mosques and eliminating all the Korans from libraries, schools, bookstores, and wherever they could be obtained.

Would Muslims regroup and finally choose a new name for their creed ? (one that doesn't mean "Submission") Would they finally reform their "religion" (if it could be called that), and change away from the stuff that's in the Koran ?

Could the United States be the leader in the world, whereby American Muslims would lead the way for the non-American Ummah and create a whole new pathway, with a fully edited/reformed Koran ? Before anyone jumps in to answer this, with a positive outlook, be advised. A word of caution. The current Koran, containing just about every vile thing known to man, and advocating these things (if not commanding them), is considered by Muslims to be the word of God (which cannot be changed, in their view). And in 1400 years, not one word of the Koran has ever been changed.

While I've disagreed with you in prior posts, it wasn't until this and your other one about this idea that I began thinking of you as a fucking idiot.

Which means you think the Supremacy Clause and US Codes 2384 & 2385 are idiotic, and written by idiots. No mystery where that leaves you.

 

[protectionist]

What is the point of debating something that is never going to happen?

Like the 1964 Civil Rights Acts ? Like Roe vs. Wade ? Like Ricci vs DeStefano ? Like the invention of cars, planes, TV, computers. All were said > "never going to happen" Like the Republican landslide of 2014 ?

 

[protectionist]

"If We Close Down All Mosques; Eliminate All Korans. THEN What ?"
Then you close down all the other religions that you don't like, along with all the political parties that you don't like. And then you have the FOURTH REICH.

That's the standard (and totally ridiculous) jihadist line. Are you one of them ?

 

[protectionist]

Of course it is not going to happen.

You say like like you HOPE it doesn't happen. Pushing for an Islamic state here, by any chance ?

No, still working on the Utopian state...

I didn't ask you. I was talking to Jake Starkey (AKA "Mohammed")

Protectionist (AKA Hitler), the Constitution prevents the closing of all mosques, and there is not a thing you can do about it.

why in the hell would we ever want to do that anyway?
Should we close all temples because of the JDL?
How about all churches because of the white supremacists?

Ask the founding fathers. Their idea. Article 6, Section 2.

 

[protectionist]

Here's a shocking disclosure.....

Are you sitting down??

Report: Lying Cocksucker in Chief's New Anti-ISIS Propaganda Chief Has Close Ties to Muslim Brotherhood

Shocker.

Via Breitbart:

The Obama administration is revamping its efforts to combat Islamic State (ISIS or ISIL) propaganda. ISIS and its supporters produce “as many as 90,000 tweets and other social media responses every day,” reports The New York Times.

An empowered Center for Strategic Counterterrorism Communications, currently a small component of the U.S. State Department, will spearhead the new campaign to fight the ISIS propaganda machine.

Rashad Hussain, a Muslim American with close ties to the White House, will replace Alberto Fernandez, the center’s director, according to The Times.

Hussain, who has reportedly participated in events linked to the Muslim Brotherhood, currently serves as Obama’s special envoy to the Organization of Islamic Cooperation. He will take over when Fernandez retires in April.

“Hussain, a devout Muslim, has a history of participating in events connected with the Muslim Brotherhood,” reported Cal Thomas in an article published by Townhall.

Rashad Hussein is only one of many Muslim Brotherhood operatives who have been in the traitorous Obama administration, steering us toward an Islamic state.

Obama Administration the Muslim Brotherhood

 

[protectionist]

US Constitution - Article 6,Section 2

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding."

Here's something else your liberal teachers "forgot" to teach you >>

US Code >> Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 115 › § 2384

"If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both."

 

[EatMorChikin]

if-we-close-down-all-mosques-, then we have to rip up the Constitution.

I didn't know our constitution protected hate. I guess only when it's convenient.

You must not have gotten a very good education. The Constitution certainly does protect hate. There are some exceptions to free speech, but hate is not one of them. This is what hateful jihadists use to push their agenda.

I stopped reading after that pompous first sentence.

 

[protectionist]

if-we-close-down-all-mosques-, then we have to rip up the Constitution.

I didn't know our constitution protected hate. I guess only when it's convenient.

You must not have gotten a very good education. The Constitution certainly does protect hate. There are some exceptions to free speech, but hate is not one of them. This is what hateful jihadists use to push their agenda.

I stopped reading after that pompous first sentence.

THIS "first sentence" ? >>>>

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States,... shall be the supreme law of the land..."

 

[protectionist]

For all those Islamapologists, islamists, jihadists, brainwashed liberals, and assorted fools who think what I've been saying hasn't been said by US National Security experts, here is a list of the authors of the book SHARIAH: THE THREAT TO AMERICA, which says exactly what I say in this thread >>

R. JAMES WOOLSEY served as the Director of the CIA -Central Intelligence Agency (1993-95).

ADM. JAMES "ACE" LYONS is was Commander in Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet.

ANDREW C. MCCARTHY was an assistant US attorney in the Southern District of New York. In 1995 he led the terrorism prosecution against the "Blind Sheikh", for the first World Trade Center bombing.

LT. GEN. WILLIAM "JERRY" BOYKIN served primarily in Delta Force and Special Forces, then as Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence in the Pentagon.

LT. GEN. EDWARD SOYSTER served as Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency during the Panama Invasion and Desert Shield/Storm.

CHRISTINE BRIM was the Chief Operating Officer at the Center for Security Policy.

AMB. HENRY F. COOPER served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Air Force and as Assistant Director of the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency, and Director of the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI).

STEPHEN C. COUGHLIN is a specialist on Islamic Shariah Law, Islamic doctrine and ideology, and the strategic information, international law, and intelligence.

MICHAEL DEL ROSSO served as CEO and CTO of large public companies and early stage companies. He is a Lincoln Fellow at The Claremont Institute and Senior Fellow at the Center for Security Policy.

FRANK GAFFNEY is the Founder and President of the Center for Security Policy. He acted as the Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Policy.

JOHN GUANDOLO is a graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy, an Officer in the Marine Corps and a former Special Agent at the Federal Bureau of Investigation, who wrote the FBI's Counterterrorism manual.

BRIAN T. KENNEDY is President of the Claremont Institute. CLARE M. LOPEZ is a a senior fellow at the Center for Security Policy and vice president of the Intelligence Summit.

PATRICK POOLE is one of the nation's leading analysts on issues related to the Muslim Brotherhood and terrorist activities in the United States.

JOSEPH E. SCHMITZ served as the fifth Senate-confirmed Inspector General of the Department of Defense.

TOM TRENTO is the Director of United West.

J. MICHAEL WALLER is Vice President for Information Operations at the Center for Security Policy.

DIANA WEST is a columnist and the author of The Death of the Grown-Up: How America's Arrested Development Is Bringing Down Western Civilization.
R. JAMES WOOLSEY served as the Director of Central Intelligence (1993-95).

DAVID YERUSHALMI is General Counsel to the Center for Security Policy.

And what does this all-star cast of national security experts say in their book, Shariah: the Threat to America ?

Here's what they say >>

"Those who support shariah and the establishment of a global Islamic state (Caliphate), are perforce, supporting objectives that are incompatible with the US Constitution, the civil rights the Constitution guarantees, and the representitive, accountable government it authorizes. In fact, shariah's pursuit in the United States is tantamount to sedition."

Here's more directly from the book >>

"Amidst the heated assertion of First Amendment protections for the practice and promotion of shariah in America, almost entirely missing is any recognition of the fundamental incompatibility with Article VI's requirement that 'this Constitution shall be...the supreme law of the land', inherent in efforts to insinuate Islamic law into the United States."

In this Amazon.com link you can click > LOOK INSIDE the book, scroll down to page 6, and see for yourself.

Shariah The Threat To America An Exercise In Competitive Analysis Report of Team B II William J Boykin Harry Edward Soyster Henry Cooper Stephen C. Coughlin Michael Del Rosso Frank J. Gaffney Jr. John Guandolo Clare M. Lopez Andrew C. McCarthy Patrick Poole Joseph E. Schmitz Tom Trento J. Michael Waller Diana West R. James Woolsey Brian Kennedy James Ace Lyons Christine Brim David Yerushalmi David Reaboi 9780982294765 Amazon.com Books

 

[kaz]

We send all the believers back home.

Many were born here in the US.

You would not affect the radicals, they would meet in secret. You would however turn the moderates against us. Lose lose, your typical proposal.

The moderates will turn no matter what, proving they never were moderates. This is war. You fight it and win it. If you don't fight it, you lose it.

You fight your enemy, you don't intentionally make more

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. We declare it a political group, because it is, then ban it.
2. Easy peasy.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[protectionist]

We send all the believers back home.

Many were born here in the US.

You would not affect the radicals, they would meet in secret. You would however turn the moderates against us. Lose lose, your typical proposal.

The moderates will turn no matter what, proving they never were moderates. This is war. You fight it and win it. If you don't fight it, you lose it.

You fight your enemy, you don't intentionally make more

I don't see where anyone is calling to "make more", do you ?

 

[Liminal]

...Considering ideas like that is unAmerican. Implementing such measures would mean the Constitution had been ripped to shreds, leaving few reasons for this country to even exist.

Hardly. Considering the removal of protections for a hostile, toxic belief system is a matter of self-preservation. Acting upon such considerations is another matter, but, in a survival setting or sufficient extreme conditions, you can count on such thinking coming to the forefront. And all within the framework of Constitutional Law. Count on that too, if such a sorry day ever materializes. Don't believe me? Think west coast 'Japanese-Americans' during the 1941-1945 time frame. And, of course, under circumstances wherein Safety and Constitutionality are at sword's point - Safety wins-out, nearly every time. Count on that, too. The US Constitution is not a collective suicide pact.

You evidently have no idea what you stand for or why.

 

[Skylar]

Sorry bout that,

1. We declare it a political group, because it is, then ban it.
2. Easy peasy.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Then Christians are next. As any abrogation of rights you inflict upon Muslims can then be inflicted upon any religious group.

The OP's proposals are a radical atheist's wet dream. As it would be the first and definitive step in outlawing religion in the US and voiding all 1st amendment rights to religion.

And we're not going to do that.

 

[koshergrl]

exactly correct. the left wingers are trying to say that if sharia law is banned then mosques are banned. nothing is further from the truth. but we all know that liberals do not deal in truth. their world is a world of fantasy, feeeeeeeeeeeeeelings, and emooooooooooooootions.

Yet Redfish and Kosher- two of our most outspoken 'Conservatives'

Never respond to Protectionist's actual bizarre unconstitutional posts.

They just complain as usual about liberals.

Its almost like Protectionist and his thread don't exist and they only see liberals' posting in a vacuum.

if you have watched my posts, I take issue with all radicals from all political spectrums. When P says that islam is not a religion, he is full of shit. But what you need to realize is that in muslim countries islam is the religion AND the law. Sharia law comes from the Koran, it is religious law. There are no secular muslim countries.

when you claim that there is no movement to bring sharia law to the US, you are either uninformed or naive. The stated goal of radical muslims is to bring sharia to the entire world through force.

Apparently neither you or obama realize that reality.

I challenge you to show how I am "full of shit" that Islam is not a religion, when most people around the world don't accept Islam to be a religion, including some nations (ex. Italy)

Prove to us that most folks and most nations don't accept Islam as a religion. You can't.

You are not an authority on the issue, so your wild claims can be laughed at then ignored.

Yes...I'd like to see that. Far as I know, it's only a small, vocal, bigoted minority of extremists who are trying to claim it isn't a religion.

exactly correct. the left wingers are trying to say that if sharia law is banned then mosques are banned. nothing is further from the truth. but we all know that liberals do not deal in truth. their world is a world of fantasy, feeeeeeeeeeeeeelings, and emooooooooooooootions.

Yet Redfish and Kosher- two of our most outspoken 'Conservatives'

Never respond to Protectionist's actual bizarre unconstitutional posts.

They just complain as usual about liberals.

Its almost like Protectionist and his thread don't exist and they only see liberals' posting in a vacuum.

if you have watched my posts, I take issue with all radicals from all political spectrums. When P says that islam is not a religion, he is full of shit. But what you need to realize is that in muslim countries islam is the religion AND the law. Sharia law comes from the Koran, it is religious law. There are no secular muslim countries.

when you claim that there is no movement to bring sharia law to the US, you are either uninformed or naive. The stated goal of radical muslims is to bring sharia to the entire world through force.

Apparently neither you or obama realize that reality.

I challenge you to show how I am "full of shit" that Islam is not a religion, when most people around the world don't accept Islam to be a religion, including some nations (ex. Italy)

Prove to us that most folks and most nations don't accept Islam as a religion. You can't.

You are not an authority on the issue, so your wild claims can be laughed at then ignored.

Yes...I'd like to see that. Far as I know, it's only a small, vocal, bigoted minority of extremists who are trying to claim it isn't a religion.

Well, it's not JUST a religion.

It's a whole ideology and political structure.

 

[Skylar]

Yet Redfish and Kosher- two of our most outspoken 'Conservatives'

Never respond to Protectionist's actual bizarre unconstitutional posts.

They just complain as usual about liberals.

Its almost like Protectionist and his thread don't exist and they only see liberals' posting in a vacuum.

if you have watched my posts, I take issue with all radicals from all political spectrums. When P says that islam is not a religion, he is full of shit. But what you need to realize is that in muslim countries islam is the religion AND the law. Sharia law comes from the Koran, it is religious law. There are no secular muslim countries.

when you claim that there is no movement to bring sharia law to the US, you are either uninformed or naive. The stated goal of radical muslims is to bring sharia to the entire world through force.

Apparently neither you or obama realize that reality.

I challenge you to show how I am "full of shit" that Islam is not a religion, when most people around the world don't accept Islam to be a religion, including some nations (ex. Italy)

Prove to us that most folks and most nations don't accept Islam as a religion. You can't.

You are not an authority on the issue, so your wild claims can be laughed at then ignored.

Yes...I'd like to see that. Far as I know, it's only a small, vocal, bigoted minority of extremists who are trying to claim it isn't a religion.

Yet Redfish and Kosher- two of our most outspoken 'Conservatives'

Never respond to Protectionist's actual bizarre unconstitutional posts.

They just complain as usual about liberals.

Its almost like Protectionist and his thread don't exist and they only see liberals' posting in a vacuum.

if you have watched my posts, I take issue with all radicals from all political spectrums. When P says that islam is not a religion, he is full of shit. But what you need to realize is that in muslim countries islam is the religion AND the law. Sharia law comes from the Koran, it is religious law. There are no secular muslim countries.

when you claim that there is no movement to bring sharia law to the US, you are either uninformed or naive. The stated goal of radical muslims is to bring sharia to the entire world through force.

Apparently neither you or obama realize that reality.

I challenge you to show how I am "full of shit" that Islam is not a religion, when most people around the world don't accept Islam to be a religion, including some nations (ex. Italy)

Prove to us that most folks and most nations don't accept Islam as a religion. You can't.

You are not an authority on the issue, so your wild claims can be laughed at then ignored.

Yes...I'd like to see that. Far as I know, it's only a small, vocal, bigoted minority of extremists who are trying to claim it isn't a religion.

Well, it's not JUST a religion.

It's a whole ideology and political structure.

Islam is a religion. Its followers enjoy the same 1st amendment protections as any of the religiously pious.

We won't be closing mosques, forbidding the Koran, or shredding the 1st amendment because you may believe otherwise.

 

[koshergrl]

if you have watched my posts, I take issue with all radicals from all political spectrums. When P says that islam is not a religion, he is full of shit. But what you need to realize is that in muslim countries islam is the religion AND the law. Sharia law comes from the Koran, it is religious law. There are no secular muslim countries.

when you claim that there is no movement to bring sharia law to the US, you are either uninformed or naive. The stated goal of radical muslims is to bring sharia to the entire world through force.

Apparently neither you or obama realize that reality.

I challenge you to show how I am "full of shit" that Islam is not a religion, when most people around the world don't accept Islam to be a religion, including some nations (ex. Italy)

Prove to us that most folks and most nations don't accept Islam as a religion. You can't.

You are not an authority on the issue, so your wild claims can be laughed at then ignored.

Yes...I'd like to see that. Far as I know, it's only a small, vocal, bigoted minority of extremists who are trying to claim it isn't a religion.

if you have watched my posts, I take issue with all radicals from all political spectrums. When P says that islam is not a religion, he is full of shit. But what you need to realize is that in muslim countries islam is the religion AND the law. Sharia law comes from the Koran, it is religious law. There are no secular muslim countries.

when you claim that there is no movement to bring sharia law to the US, you are either uninformed or naive. The stated goal of radical muslims is to bring sharia to the entire world through force.

Apparently neither you or obama realize that reality.

I challenge you to show how I am "full of shit" that Islam is not a religion, when most people around the world don't accept Islam to be a religion, including some nations (ex. Italy)

Prove to us that most folks and most nations don't accept Islam as a religion. You can't.

You are not an authority on the issue, so your wild claims can be laughed at then ignored.

Yes...I'd like to see that. Far as I know, it's only a small, vocal, bigoted minority of extremists who are trying to claim it isn't a religion.

Well, it's not JUST a religion.

It's a whole ideology and political structure.

Islam is a religion. Its followers enjoy the same 1st amendment protections as any of the religiously pious.

We won't be closing mosques, forbidding the Koran, or shredding the 1st amendment because you may believe otherwise.

Who the hell are you talking to?

I never said it wasn't a religion.

Hello.

I said it was a RELIGION, as well as an IDEOLOGY and POLITICAL structure. Now sit down and shut up.

 

[koshergrl]

Here you go, since it seems to be beyond your ability to conceive of it:

"What is Islam?
"Islam is a cultural, religious and political system. Only the political system is of interest to kafirs (non-Muslims) since it determines how we are defined and treated. The Islamic political system is contained in the Koran, the Hadith (the traditions of Mohammed) and his biography, the Sira."

You're welcome.

What is Islam - Political Islam