If you could go back in time and stop one historical event, what would it be?

[Foxfyre]

Jamestown Va. Circa 1619. I would have turned back the first boatload of 20 or so Africans that where brought here to be sold into slavery and made the Southerners pick their own damn cotton. Whole lot better, more prosperous and safer nation if we could go back and find a way to keep the negroes out.

Hey, you people who give Zona a hard time. Do you see this? Do you understand that there are people who think like THIS?

So when people say that blacks should shut up about the slavery and the lynchings and the discrimination because the blacks of today never experienced any of that...

I SAY BULLSHIT!

Because there are people like THIS everywhere, and especially apparent on this board. And black people of today know that. I cannot even begin to imagine the concept of someone HATING me just because I am white. But black people, even black people today, know what that's like.

Teaching moment time. . . .also avoiding having the thread sidetracked into a separate issue here. . . .

What IF that first boatload of slaves had been turned back? Would the ship's captain have just transported them to Canada or Mexico, both still slave owning nations at that time? Or failing to find a buyer, would he just have drowned them or otherwise disposed of them? The life in store for most of those slaves brought to this country was cruel, miserable, unjustifiable. But what if we had prevented it?

The descendants of those slaves would have a huge chance to live in some of the most impoverished nations in the world today, some would be terrorized, tortured, maimed, and threatened by brutal warlords, some would never known anything more than a subsistance state of life. As indefensible and unconscionable as slavery was, most black people in this country who descended from those slaves enjoy a much higher quality of life than they would if somebody hadn't dragged their ancestors over here.

But what if we had made ourselves a white supremacist nation and kept all black people out?

No George Washington Carver.
No Alex Haley.
No Louis Armstrong or Bill Cosby or Denzel Washington or any of the great writers, artists, athletes, and performers who have enriched our lives. No Thurgood Marshall, no Clarence Thomas, no great minds and teachers such as Shelby Steele, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, William Raspberry et al.

We would have been the poorer for it. We don't have poor black people, violent black people, corrupt black people because the people are black. We have such things because of a history and legacy and mindset that encourages people to be poor, to be violent, to be corrupt, to hate. And it didn't happen because of slavery. That war was fought and won. It happened because of a shift in concept of our Constitution and what we as a nation were intended to be. And that happened early in the 20th Century.

And that I would very much like to go back and change.

 

[Bfgrn]

I wouldn't change anything.

I used to think I would change the day my Dad was killed but then I most likely wouldn't have the life I have now. I would not have met my wife and I can't imagine my life without her now.

Perhaps that is why we are not given the omniscience to know the consequences of what we might change.

I do a lot of public speaking and like to use movie themes and concepts and/or characters to illustrate the point. Those with the interest and ability to understand generally get the point that way without insisting on making it too literal.

But one provocative theme was in the movie "Final Countdown." The concept was the modern aircraft carrier Nimitz going through a time warp and emerging December 6, 1941, in a position to intercept the approaching Japanese fleet.

Once they figured out the situation, the debate between the officers and one civilian observor on board, was provocative. There was enough fire power aboard the Nimitz to destroy the entire Japanese strike force and fleet, but unable to communicate with Washington, and a President who had been dead for decades, did they unilaterally take action to prevent an event that hadn't happened yet and only they knew was about to happen? Unilaterally start a war that hadn't started yet? Communication with other authorities was futile because the Nimitz didn't exist in 1941 and nobody would believe them. But they were officers sworn to do their duty against all enemies of the USA, foreign and domestic.

But what would that do to the course of history beyond this date? The Japanese people who wouldn't live. The people at Pearl Harbor who would?

As one of the characters pondered he said he doubted changing history would be so easy.

What would any of us do in that situation?

I recall watching "Final Countdown." That was a great movie premise. I love that kind of premise.

pause...

Unbelievable...it is 3:44 EST here. Just as I was typing I heard an airplane, and it had the unmistakable drone of radial engines. I raced outside to see what it was.

It was a B-29, the plane that dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki...

There is only one operational B-29 in the whole world...FiFi

Spooky! And AWESOME!!!

Update...I was wrong, it was not the B-29 FiFi, it was The Memphis Belle, a Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress. When I went outside to see it, the plane was almost out of sight heading south east.

FiFi is in Oshkosh, Wi, over 700 miles from my house. My eyesight isn't that good...LOL

 

[Foxfyre]

January 22 1973, is a day that will live in infamy.

If I could change a historical event, it would definitely be that

Would you? Roe v Wade provided a practical solution for a difficult situation in America. Again had we stayed with the original intent, it would have left abortion a matter of conscience between the patient and doctor in the first trimester. The State could ban all abortion other than the most serious situations in the second tri-mester, and a late term abortion would require a court order unless the life of the mother was at stake. There would be no Planned Parenthood or other abortion mills who figured out how to use the progressive meme to alter and corrupt the original intent.

If we could undo Teddy Roosevelt's legacy, perhaps we wouldn't have a culture in which abortion was acceptable as a matter of convenience or birth control.

 

[PixieStix]

January 22 1973, is a day that will live in infamy.

If I could change a historical event, it would definitely be that

Would you?

Indeed I would

 

[Ernie S.]

Jamestown Va. Circa 1619. I would have turned back the first boatload of 20 or so Africans that where brought here to be sold into slavery and made the Southerners pick their own damn cotton. Whole lot better, more prosperous and safer nation if we could go back and find a way to keep the negroes out.

Hey, you people who give Zona a hard time. Do you see this? Do you understand that there are people who think like THIS?

So when people say that blacks should shut up about the slavery and the lynchings and the discrimination because the blacks of today never experienced any of that...

I SAY BULLSHIT!

Because there are people like THIS everywhere, and especially apparent on this board. And black people of today know that. I cannot even begin to imagine the concept of someone HATING me just because I am white. But black people, even black people today, know what that's like.

So, you're saying slavery was a good thing?

 

[Sunshine]

Jamestown Va. Circa 1619. I would have turned back the first boatload of 20 or so Africans that where brought here to be sold into slavery and made the Southerners pick their own damn cotton. Whole lot better, more prosperous and safer nation if we could go back and find a way to keep the negroes out.

Much slavery in the colonies was indentured whites who were working their passage to the new world. African slaves were not used extensively until Bacon's Rebellion. And there was a reason for it. Slavery was here before blacks.

 

[Sunshine]

Jamestown Va. Circa 1619. I would have turned back the first boatload of 20 or so Africans that where brought here to be sold into slavery and made the Southerners pick their own damn cotton. Whole lot better, more prosperous and safer nation if we could go back and find a way to keep the negroes out.

Hey, you people who give Zona a hard time. Do you see this? Do you understand that there are people who think like THIS?

So when people say that blacks should shut up about the slavery and the lynchings and the discrimination because the blacks of today never experienced any of that...

I SAY BULLSHIT!

Because there are people like THIS everywhere, and especially apparent on this board. And black people of today know that. I cannot even begin to imagine the concept of someone HATING me just because I am white. But black people, even black people today, know what that's like.

Then I should get reparations because my Irish ancestors were slaves~!

 

[Foxfyre]

Jamestown Va. Circa 1619. I would have turned back the first boatload of 20 or so Africans that where brought here to be sold into slavery and made the Southerners pick their own damn cotton. Whole lot better, more prosperous and safer nation if we could go back and find a way to keep the negroes out.

Hey, you people who give Zona a hard time. Do you see this? Do you understand that there are people who think like THIS?

So when people say that blacks should shut up about the slavery and the lynchings and the discrimination because the blacks of today never experienced any of that...

I SAY BULLSHIT!

Because there are people like THIS everywhere, and especially apparent on this board. And black people of today know that. I cannot even begin to imagine the concept of someone HATING me just because I am white. But black people, even black people today, know what that's like.

So, you're saying slavery was a good thing?

I don't think that was his intent, Ernie. I think his intent was to empathise with black people living today.

But no, slavery was a terrible thing as it existed in America. There is no way any sane person can justify it or elevate to anything acceptable.

And nevertheless, the black Americans who descended from those slaves are almost all much much better off than they would be if their ancestors had been left in Africa. And I am going to guess that very few, if any, would accept an offer to relinquish their American citizenship along with free passage to move to the lands of their ancestors.

Knowing that they would not now be Americans but would have an excellent chance to be among the poorest of Africans, would THEY change history and eliminate those slave ships? I wonder.

 

[jtpr312]

Jamestown Va. Circa 1619. I would have turned back the first boatload of 20 or so Africans that where brought here to be sold into slavery and made the Southerners pick their own damn cotton. Whole lot better, more prosperous and safer nation if we could go back and find a way to keep the negroes out.

Hey, you people who give Zona a hard time. Do you see this? Do you understand that there are people who think like THIS?

So when people say that blacks should shut up about the slavery and the lynchings and the discrimination because the blacks of today never experienced any of that...

I SAY BULLSHIT!

Because there are people like THIS everywhere, and especially apparent on this board. And black people of today know that. I cannot even begin to imagine the concept of someone HATING me just because I am white. But black people, even black people today, know what that's like.

Well ya dumbass, you better face the fact that there are millions of ******* in this nation that hate you JUST because you're white, starting with the pos president, his atty. general and the average ****** drinking a 40oz on the corner looking to jack up and roib a white boy. Nothing dumber in this world than a white, guilt filled, dumbass who sighs, "Can't we all just along", while some boofer is jacking his car at gun point.

 

[Foxfyre]

There are times I wish I had it in me to neg rep.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Jamestown Va. Circa 1619. I would have turned back the first boatload of 20 or so Africans that where brought here to be sold into slavery and made the Southerners pick their own damn cotton. Whole lot better, more prosperous and safer nation if we could go back and find a way to keep the negroes out.

Hey, you people who give Zona a hard time. Do you see this? Do you understand that there are people who think like THIS?

So when people say that blacks should shut up about the slavery and the lynchings and the discrimination because the blacks of today never experienced any of that...

I SAY BULLSHIT!

Because there are people like THIS everywhere, and especially apparent on this board. And black people of today know that. I cannot even begin to imagine the concept of someone HATING me just because I am white. But black people, even black people today, know what that's like.

I know what it's like to be hated for being white.

how young are you?

Did you miss the hate put upon George Zimm? he got hate b/c racist thought he was white.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Jamestown Va. Circa 1619. I would have turned back the first boatload of 20 or so Africans that where brought here to be sold into slavery and made the Southerners pick their own damn cotton. Whole lot better, more prosperous and safer nation if we could go back and find a way to keep the negroes out.

Hey, you people who give Zona a hard time. Do you see this? Do you understand that there are people who think like THIS?

So when people say that blacks should shut up about the slavery and the lynchings and the discrimination because the blacks of today never experienced any of that...

I SAY BULLSHIT!

Because there are people like THIS everywhere, and especially apparent on this board. And black people of today know that. I cannot even begin to imagine the concept of someone HATING me just because I am white. But black people, even black people today, know what that's like.

So, you're saying slavery was a good thing?

Looking at it from a liberal point of view

yes it was

They had cloths that got replaced, medical care, plenty of food, a roof, etc.

All things they wouldn't have had, if they were not taken away.

oh the irony

 

[Two Thumbs]

Jamestown Va. Circa 1619. I would have turned back the first boatload of 20 or so Africans that where brought here to be sold into slavery and made the Southerners pick their own damn cotton. Whole lot better, more prosperous and safer nation if we could go back and find a way to keep the negroes out.

Hey, you people who give Zona a hard time. Do you see this? Do you understand that there are people who think like THIS?

So when people say that blacks should shut up about the slavery and the lynchings and the discrimination because the blacks of today never experienced any of that...

I SAY BULLSHIT!

Because there are people like THIS everywhere, and especially apparent on this board. And black people of today know that. I cannot even begin to imagine the concept of someone HATING me just because I am white. But black people, even black people today, know what that's like.

Well ya dumbass, you better face the fact that there are millions of ******* in this nation that hate you JUST because you're white, starting with the pos president, his atty. general and the average ****** drinking a 40oz on the corner looking to jack up and roib a white boy. Nothing dumber in this world than a white, guilt filled, dumbass who sighs, "Can't we all just along", while some boofer is jacking his car at gun point.

wow dood, that's some good hate mongering.

Bet you like to watch interracial porn where the white chick is getting meat steaked by a yummy black man.

or do you surf the gay interracial section? yeeaa, I bet you do.

 

[Sunshine]

Hey, you people who give Zona a hard time. Do you see this? Do you understand that there are people who think like THIS?

So when people say that blacks should shut up about the slavery and the lynchings and the discrimination because the blacks of today never experienced any of that...

I SAY BULLSHIT!

Because there are people like THIS everywhere, and especially apparent on this board. And black people of today know that. I cannot even begin to imagine the concept of someone HATING me just because I am white. But black people, even black people today, know what that's like.

So, you're saying slavery was a good thing?

I don't think that was his intent, Ernie. I think his intent was to empathise with black people living today.

But no, slavery was a terrible thing as it existed in America. There is no way any sane person can justify it or elevate to anything acceptable.

And nevertheless, the black Americans who descended from those slaves are almost all much much better off than they would be if their ancestors had been left in Africa. And I am going to guess that very few, if any, would accept an offer to relinquish their American citizenship along with free passage to move to the lands of their ancestors.

Knowing that they would not now be Americans but would have an excellent chance to be among the poorest of Africans, would THEY change history and eliminate those slave ships? I wonder.

Well I had a black student once who said she thought slavery was 'unfortunate', but that she is glad she lives in the US and wouldn't live anywhere else on earth. That would be one alternative way to look at it. The other is that the DNA wouldn't have lined up for people who exist today to exist, and for others in history to have existed, and I would have hated to miss out on peanut butter. My student was a good one, she wasn't angry or vengeful like our blacks in residence. And she accepted that her life was and was better because of the history of this country. I think she is likely making someone an excellent nurse about now.

 

[Pop23]

Perhaps that is why we are not given the omniscience to know the consequences of what we might change.

I do a lot of public speaking and like to use movie themes and concepts and/or characters to illustrate the point. Those with the interest and ability to understand generally get the point that way without insisting on making it too literal.

But one provocative theme was in the movie "Final Countdown." The concept was the modern aircraft carrier Nimitz going through a time warp and emerging December 6, 1941, in a position to intercept the approaching Japanese fleet.

Once they figured out the situation, the debate between the officers and one civilian observor on board, was provocative. There was enough fire power aboard the Nimitz to destroy the entire Japanese strike force and fleet, but unable to communicate with Washington, and a President who had been dead for decades, did they unilaterally take action to prevent an event that hadn't happened yet and only they knew was about to happen? Unilaterally start a war that hadn't started yet? Communication with other authorities was futile because the Nimitz didn't exist in 1941 and nobody would believe them. But they were officers sworn to do their duty against all enemies of the USA, foreign and domestic.

But what would that do to the course of history beyond this date? The Japanese people who wouldn't live. The people at Pearl Harbor who would?

As one of the characters pondered he said he doubted changing history would be so easy.

What would any of us do in that situation?

I recall watching "Final Countdown." That was a great movie premise. I love that kind of premise.

pause...

Unbelievable...it is 3:44 EST here. Just as I was typing I heard an airplane, and it had the unmistakable drone of radial engines. I raced outside to see what it was.

It was a B-29, the plane that dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki...

There is only one operational B-29 in the whole world...FiFi

Spooky! And AWESOME!!!

Update...I was wrong, it was not the B-29 FiFi, it was The Memphis Belle, a Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress. When I went outside to see it, the plane was almost out of sight heading south east.

FiFi is in Oshkosh, Wi, over 700 miles from my house. My eyesight isn't that good...LOL

EAA?

Been there several times

Too much fun

 

[Bfgrn]

January 22 1973, is a day that will live in infamy.

If I could change a historical event, it would definitely be that

Would you? Roe v Wade provided a practical solution for a difficult situation in America. Again had we stayed with the original intent, it would have left abortion a matter of conscience between the patient and doctor in the first trimester. The State could ban all abortion other than the most serious situations in the second tri-mester, and a late term abortion would require a court order unless the life of the mother was at stake. There would be no Planned Parenthood or other abortion mills who figured out how to use the progressive meme to alter and corrupt the original intent.

If we could undo Teddy Roosevelt's legacy, perhaps we wouldn't have a culture in which abortion was acceptable as a matter of convenience or birth control.

There is no level you won't stoop to is there FF? Now you are making the moron Beck sound moderate. I also wish I had it in me to initiate a neg rep. THIS post deserves it.

 

[Surfer]

The bottom line is that most minorities and immigrants contribute nothing of value to this country. They are terrorists, welfare hags, leeches, moochers, parasites, lazy, diseased, stupid, broke and useless. They can't even do the farm work properly because they don't wash their hands and make us all sick. No one has the balls to say all this is true. They are too PC. I don't care what color anyone is as long as they behave but most minorities don't. They are mostly godless slugs.

 

[numan]

The bottom line is that most minorities and immigrants contribute nothing of value to this country.

Uh...hate to break it to you...but in California YOU are now the minority!! · ·

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[Surfer]

hate to break it to you...but in California YOU are now the minority

Not true. CA is still 78% white despite being infested by minority trash.

 

[numan]

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Oh, yeah? · ·

Demographics of California

Non-Hispanic whites decreased from about 76.3 - 78 % of the state's population in 1970 to 39.7% in 2011....

No single racial or ethnic group forms a majority of California's population....

Non-Hispanic whites make up 40.1% of the population. Spanish is the state's second most spoken language. Areas with especially large Spanish speaking populations include the Los Angeles metropolitan area, the US-Mexico border counties of San Diego and Imperial, and the San Joaquin Valley.

Nearly 43% of California residents speak a language other than English at home, a proportion far higher than any other state.

Yet again, California carries the torch of civilization and progress that will eventually bring light to the dark and backward regions of the rest of the USA!! · ·

Guess you had better start learning Spanish or Chinese -- preferably, both !!

Try it -- you'll like it !!
They are both beautiful languages, and they have great literary traditions!

And if you still remain a grumpy puss about it, your children and grandchildren will love it -- and they will be more civilized and cultured (though I suppose that doesn't mean much to you).

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