If you live in the US, Are Hamas and Hizballah Terrorist Organizations?

[Roudy]

And right there is a perfect example of the dishonesty of this kind of argument.



Pretty stark and damning as to the sentiments regarding Jews throughout history in both Christendom and Islam.

So what you're saying is that it is possible that Christians picked it up from the Muslims, and then passed it on to the Nazis through the close relationship between the Vatican and Hitler. Nobody's arguing that possibility. Other than the fact that Muslims started the practice is indisputable.

Timeline



Jews being beaten, from an English manuscript. The yellow badge is in the shape of the Tablets of the Law.
717
Possible date of the Pact of Umar which stipulates that Christians (and by implication also Jews) living in Muslim lands are required to wear distinctive clothing. Although most historians question the historicity of the pact, the use of distinguishing marks is consistent with documentary and archaeological evidence from 7th and 8th century Iraq and Syria. The pact itself is thought to be an invention of later jurists seeking justification for certain cultural practices that had developed over time.[3]
850
A decree of the Abbassid Caliph Al-Mutawakkil, reported by the 10th century historian Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari, requires Christian and Jewish subjects to wear honey-coloured hoods and belts of a particular type. Distinguishing marks are also prescribed for their slaves.[19]
1005
Fatimid Caliph Al-Hakim, orders Jewish and Christian residents to wear bells on their garments and a "golden calf" (made of wood) around the neck when bathing with Muslims.[20]
1058
Start of less tolerant policy towards Christians and Jews by the Seljuk authorities in the Abbasid empire. Existing laws imposing distinctive dress are enforced. Non-Muslims in Baghdad are forced to wear signs on their dress.[21]


Jews (identifiable by rouelle) being burned at stake. From medieval manuscript.
1085
Non-Muslims are required to wear distinctive signs on their turbans.[21]
1091
Abbasid Caliph Al-Muqtadi decrees that the "non-believers" had to wear yellow headgear and girdles of various colors, and a sign of lead around their necks to show they had to pay the poll-tax. Women had to wear shoes of different colors, such as one red and the other black.[21]
1121
A letter from Baghdad describes decrees regulating Jewish clothes: "two yellow badges, one on the headgear and one on the neck. Furthermore, each Jew must hang round his neck a piece of lead with the word dhimmi on it. He also has to wear a belt round his waist. The women have to wear one red and one black shoe and have a small bell on their necks or shoes." [22]
1215
Fourth Lateran Council headed by Pope Innocent III declares: "Jews and Saracens of both sexes in every Christian province and at all times shall be marked off in the eyes of the public from other peoples through the character of their dress." [23]
1219
Pope Honorius III issues a dispensation to the Jews of Castile.[7] Spanish Jews normally wore turbans in any case, which presumably met the requirement to be distinctive.[24]
1222
Archbishop of Canterbury Stephen Langton orders English Jews to wear a white band two fingers broad and four fingers long.[7]

If Hamas and Hezballah convert to Christianity, they will love thy neighbors as themselves.

Agreed. Ever wonder why there are no Christian Palestinian terrorists?

 

[Hossfly]

If you wish to discuss Islam, as a terrorist RELIGION, start a topic in the correct forum rather than derailing this topic.

Hamas and Hezballah would be Islamic terrorist factions, making Islamic doctrine entirely irrelevant. The truth hurts, eh?

let me make this simple...whyn't ya take your fookin' bleedin' twat and waddle off to some "damn islam" religious forum.

It's a shame that when Seal was on a Middle East Discussion forum, he didn't take his Solly, the Jewish longshoreman act over to some comedy board. In fact, he could have taken all of his characters over to some comedy board.

 

[Roudy]

i think the original post merely stated that the USA had declared HAMAS and hezbolah terrorist organisations and that really doesn't call for discussion.

yes, our government has declared hezbolah and HAMAS terrorist organisations.

The EU, Canada and Australia classify Hamas as a terrorist faction

Indeed, a small handful of countries have that political opinion.

Euroean Union comprising of 26 countries, USA, Canada, UK, Australia, and Japan. Are not a "handful of countries" you dip. Nice try trying to minimize it.

These are the most advanced countries apt hat are controlling the world now. If the same countries had declared the IDF terrorist, marouns like you would do post after post claiming "THE WHOLE WORLD BLAH BLAH BLAH...".

Totally hilarious.

 

[Roudy]

Let's get back on to the topic as several posters have attempted to do with this thread

i think the original post merely stated that the USA had declared HAMAS and hezbolah terrorist organisations and that really doesn't call for discussion.

yes, our government has declared hezbolah and HAMAS terrorist organisations.

A few posts back Sherri the lunatic exclaimed "I know of no law that asks me to consider these groups as terrorists...blah blah blah..." and Tinmore "terrorist is 3rd grade name calling it is meaningless...blah blah blah...". And of course last but not least you Squeal "the definition of terrorist is vague...oh look! I found the ONE Jewish terrorist group...blah blah blah". All of which are untrue.

And this, RIGHT HERE ON THIS VERY THREAD, both the classification is being disputed, and the definition. So what's to dispute? Hamas is terrorist according to the US but NOT according to you guys. That's the bottom line.

 

[MHunterB]

In other words, you are little more than a common troll uttering superficial soundbytes in an attempt to derail the thread without offering anything of substance. There are others here far more capable than you who at least add substance. If you want to continue in this direction - start a thread and I'll join you.

In other words, Christianity advocates kind treatment of Jews and Islam advocates hatred, intolerance, persecution and violence against Jews.

would i be in error to assume you are excluding catholics as "christians". if not, you are going to make a lot of jewish posters angry who consider the pope the anti-christ.now, say three hail maries and a good act of contrition for your penance, go in peace, and sin no more. in nomine patrus et filii et spiritus sancti.

also, if, after a cold night of hard liquor and pickeld, hard boiled eggs and you find yourself in bed cuddled up with the blanket over your head and you should suddenly detect the unmistakeble odor of hell fire and brimstone...it has a smell a lot like sulfur...then satan may be living under your bed.

i can do a pretty rad latin rite exorcism....choir of gregorian monks will cost you extra...those vows of poverty don't go quite as far as they used to.

Seal, if you're going to claim that 'a lot of Jewish posters consider the pope the antichrist' - you need to start naming names and quoting actual posts to prove your contention.

I certainly don't hold a view anywhere near that - nor have I seen such a view expressed by a Jewish poster. I'm not aware of particular ire being directed at the RCC or the Pope by members of the Jewish community in anywhere that I've lived.

If you WILL insist on speaking for a group - at least confine it to groups of which you are a member, please. I can only stretch 'suspension of disbelief' just so far......

 

[Maryland]

In other words, Christianity advocates kind treatment of Jews and Islam advocates hatred, intolerance, persecution and violence against Jews.

would i be in error to assume you are excluding catholics as "christians". if not, you are going to make a lot of jewish posters angry who consider the pope the anti-christ.now, say three hail maries and a good act of contrition for your penance, go in peace, and sin no more. in nomine patrus et filii et spiritus sancti.

also, if, after a cold night of hard liquor and pickeld, hard boiled eggs and you find yourself in bed cuddled up with the blanket over your head and you should suddenly detect the unmistakeble odor of hell fire and brimstone...it has a smell a lot like sulfur...then satan may be living under your bed.

i can do a pretty rad latin rite exorcism....choir of gregorian monks will cost you extra...those vows of poverty don't go quite as far as they used to.

Seal, if you're going to claim that 'a lot of Jewish posters consider the pope the antichrist' - you need to start naming names and quoting actual posts to prove your contention.

I certainly don't hold a view anywhere near that - nor have I seen such a view expressed by a Jewish poster. I'm not aware of particular ire being directed at the RCC or the Pope by members of the Jewish community in anywhere that I've lived.

If you WILL insist on speaking for a group - at least confine it to groups of which you are a member, please. I can only stretch 'suspension of disbelief' just so far......

No wonder Heidi Klum left him.

 

[MHunterB]

Which has what to do with the post???? It sounds like you're grasping at straws here.

Christianity cannot be anti-Jewish as Christ was a Jew. Islam is explicitly anti-Jewish.

Oh brother. Your logic .... boggles the mind....in a trollish way of course.

...therefore Hitler could not have been anti-Jewish as he was a Christian and Christ was a Jew.

No - I think s/he's trying to suggest that Hitler was not a 'true' Christian in his Jew-hating ideas.....

Any religion can probably be made out to be 'anti-' every other religion, but that doesn't mean it's a very accurate exegesis of the faith's Scriptures involved.

 

[P F Tinmore]

So what you're saying is that it is possible that Christians picked it up from the Muslims, and then passed it on to the Nazis through the close relationship between the Vatican and Hitler. Nobody's arguing that possibility. Other than the fact that Muslims started the practice is indisputable.

If Hamas and Hezballah convert to Christianity, they will love thy neighbors as themselves.

Agreed. Ever wonder why there are no Christian Palestinian terrorists?

What? You never heard of the PFLP?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Let's get back on to the topic as several posters have attempted to do with this thread

i think the original post merely stated that the USA had declared HAMAS and hezbolah terrorist organisations and that really doesn't call for discussion.

yes, our government has declared hezbolah and HAMAS terrorist organisations.

A few posts back Sherri the lunatic exclaimed "I know of no law that asks me to consider these groups as terrorists...blah blah blah..." and Tinmore "terrorist is 3rd grade name calling it is meaningless...blah blah blah...". And of course last but not least you Squeal "the definition of terrorist is vague...oh look! I found the ONE Jewish terrorist group...blah blah blah". All of which are untrue.

And this, RIGHT HERE ON THIS VERY THREAD, both the classification is being disputed, and the definition. So what's to dispute? Hamas is terrorist according to the US but NOT according to you guys. That's the bottom line.

We are not Israel's lackeys like the US government.

They are such an embarrassment.

 

[Maryland]

i think the original post merely stated that the USA had declared HAMAS and hezbolah terrorist organisations and that really doesn't call for discussion.

yes, our government has declared hezbolah and HAMAS terrorist organisations.

A few posts back Sherri the lunatic exclaimed "I know of no law that asks me to consider these groups as terrorists...blah blah blah..." and Tinmore "terrorist is 3rd grade name calling it is meaningless...blah blah blah...". And of course last but not least you Squeal "the definition of terrorist is vague...oh look! I found the ONE Jewish terrorist group...blah blah blah". All of which are untrue.

And this, RIGHT HERE ON THIS VERY THREAD, both the classification is being disputed, and the definition. So what's to dispute? Hamas is terrorist according to the US but NOT according to you guys. That's the bottom line.

We are not Israel's lackeys like the US government.

They are such an embarrassment.

Israel has produced 7 Nobel Prize Laureates for important contributions to science, economics, and literature.

Number of "palestinian" Nobel Prize Laureates in the afore-mentioned categories: None, not even one. Losers.

 

[P F Tinmore]

A few posts back Sherri the lunatic exclaimed "I know of no law that asks me to consider these groups as terrorists...blah blah blah..." and Tinmore "terrorist is 3rd grade name calling it is meaningless...blah blah blah...". And of course last but not least you Squeal "the definition of terrorist is vague...oh look! I found the ONE Jewish terrorist group...blah blah blah". All of which are untrue.

And this, RIGHT HERE ON THIS VERY THREAD, both the classification is being disputed, and the definition. So what's to dispute? Hamas is terrorist according to the US but NOT according to you guys. That's the bottom line.

We are not Israel's lackeys like the US government.

They are such an embarrassment.

Israel has produced 7 Nobel Prize Laureates for important contributions to science, economics, and literature.

Number of "palestinian" Nobel Prize Laureates in the afore-mentioned categories: None, not even one. Losers.

Yeah, yeah, we are familiar with Israel's Brand Israel propaganda campaign.

 

[Maryland]

We are not Israel's lackeys like the US government.

They are such an embarrassment.

Israel has produced 7 Nobel Prize Laureates for important contributions to science, economics, and literature.

Number of "palestinian" Nobel Prize Laureates in the afore-mentioned categories: None, not even one. Losers.

Yeah, yeah, we are familiar with Israel's Brand Israel propaganda campaign.

We're familiar with Israeli genius and palestinian stupidity

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel has produced 7 Nobel Prize Laureates for important contributions to science, economics, and literature.

Number of "palestinian" Nobel Prize Laureates in the afore-mentioned categories: None, not even one. Losers.

Yeah, yeah, we are familiar with Israel's Brand Israel propaganda campaign.

We're familiar with Israeli genius and palestinian stupidity

Israel, the fourth strongest military in the world, (mooched from the US taxpayers) has been at war with Palestinian civilians for over 60 years and has won nothing yet.

Genius, pure genius I tell you.

 

[tinydancer]

the generally accepted def. of terrorism is violence directed against non-combatants in order to further a political ideology. Islam, a political ideology, is a terrorist "religion"

you're kinda proving my point here, doncha think...about propaganda and all?

there is no generally accepted definition of "terrorism" and your initial "the" is disengenuous...and i am being lenient.

christ, i could aalmost use some of these definitions, including yours, to claim AIPAC as a terrorist organisation.

Says who? You? Get a life. Stick to the topic:

Are Hamas and Hezbollah considered terrorist organizations according to the laws of this land? Yes or no.

Yes and a hell yeah!!!

Let's bring this thread home.

The Hamas Charter alone spells out their intent.

 

[tinydancer]

Yeah, yeah, we are familiar with Israel's Brand Israel propaganda campaign.

We're familiar with Israeli genius and palestinian stupidity

Israel, the fourth strongest military in the world, (mooched from the US taxpayers) has been at war with Palestinian civilians for over 60 years and has won nothing yet.

Genius, pure genius I tell you.

Such garbage you spew.

At war with Pals? Could have smoked the whole damn lot of them at any given time.

The only reason that Palestinians can even breathe air is but for the temperance of Israel.

 

[Maryland]

Yeah, yeah, we are familiar with Israel's Brand Israel propaganda campaign.

We're familiar with Israeli genius and palestinian stupidity

Israel, the fourth strongest military in the world, (mooched from the US taxpayers) has been at war with Palestinian civilians for over 60 years and has won nothing yet.

Genius, pure genius I tell you.

Israel's GDP is $200 billion/year. Have an intelligent adult explain to you what GDP is.

 

[P F Tinmore]

We're familiar with Israeli genius and palestinian stupidity

Israel, the fourth strongest military in the world, (mooched from the US taxpayers) has been at war with Palestinian civilians for over 60 years and has won nothing yet.

Genius, pure genius I tell you.

Such garbage you spew.

At war with Pals? Could have smoked the whole damn lot of them at any given time.

The only reason that Palestinians can even breathe air is but for the temperance of Israel.

Israel tries to keep its war crimes under the radar. That does limit what it can do.

 

[P F Tinmore]

We're familiar with Israeli genius and palestinian stupidity

Israel, the fourth strongest military in the world, (mooched from the US taxpayers) has been at war with Palestinian civilians for over 60 years and has won nothing yet.

Genius, pure genius I tell you.

Israel's GDP is $200 billion/year. Have an intelligent adult explain to you what GDP is.

More Brand Israel propaganda.

Geesh.

 

[Maryland]

Israel, the fourth strongest military in the world, (mooched from the US taxpayers) has been at war with Palestinian civilians for over 60 years and has won nothing yet.

Genius, pure genius I tell you.

Israel's GDP is $200 billion/year. Have an intelligent adult explain to you what GDP is.

More Brand Israel propaganda.

Geesh.

Israel: $200 Billion Gross Domestic Product. 40th Largest Economy In The World. 30th Highest Per Capita Income In The World

Israel, sometimes referred to as "Startup Nation", is a hub of entrepreneurship...Located at the heart of the Middle East, right between Asia and Africa, it has close trade relations with both Europe and North America, which contribute to its success.

With a population of 7.6 million, yet roughly the world’s 40th largest economy, Israel enjoys a technologically advanced economy, brimming with entrepreneurial activity. The citizenry is highly educated and cosmopolitan, and serves as a valuable resource for advancements in high technology. Venture capital and startups are part of the local culture, and more Israeli companies are listed on NASDAQ than from any other country outside of North America, China following closely.

Israel prides itself in the high level of its universities, almost all of which hold entrepreneurship centers.
GEW / Israel: A Startup Nation | Global Entrepreneurship Week

KPMG: Israel Spreading Its Wings, Growing Internationally

Israel has a dynamic, technologically advanced market economy, with a GDP of approximately US$200 billion. Over the past five years, GDP has grown by an average of five percent annually, while inflation has been near zero and the Israeli Shekel has remained stable versus the US Dollar. The Bank of Israel's interest rate is at a record low, at 0.5 percent, and is among the lowest in the world. Raw materials (excluding diamonds and fuels), constitute 40 percent of total imports, while manufacturing (low-to-high technology products and services), constitutes 87 percent of total exports. In addition, there are more Israeli-domiciled companies traded on NASDAQ (currently 63) than in any country outside the US.

The country's entrepreneurial and competitive environment is underpinned by a number of cultural and social factors. Education is one of the key drivers with high numbers of science and engineering students graduating each year - Israel boasts a ratio of 135 scientists per 100,000 workers, the highest in the world

In the 1990s, following the successful establishment of Yozma, one of Israel's first venture capital (VC) programs, nearly 100 VC firms have been established, using foreign and local investment capital, to help catapult the creation and expansion of a large number of high technology companies. Approximately US$9.4 billion of capital was invested from these sources between 1993 and 2000. In all, approximately US$4.2 billion of capital has been invested in Israeli private equity firms KPMG - April 2011 - frontiers in finance: Spreading its wings

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel's GDP is $200 billion/year. Have an intelligent adult explain to you what GDP is.

More Brand Israel propaganda.

Geesh.

Israel: $200 Billion Gross Domestic Product. 40th Largest Economy In The World. 30th Highest Per Capita Income In The World

Israel, sometimes referred to as "Startup Nation", is a hub of entrepreneurship...Located at the heart of the Middle East, right between Asia and Africa, it has close trade relations with both Europe and North America, which contribute to its success.

With a population of 7.6 million, yet roughly the world’s 40th largest economy, Israel enjoys a technologically advanced economy, brimming with entrepreneurial activity. The citizenry is highly educated and cosmopolitan, and serves as a valuable resource for advancements in high technology. Venture capital and startups are part of the local culture, and more Israeli companies are listed on NASDAQ than from any other country outside of North America, China following closely.

Israel prides itself in the high level of its universities, almost all of which hold entrepreneurship centers.
GEW / Israel: A Startup Nation | Global Entrepreneurship Week

KPMG: Israel Spreading Its Wings, Growing Internationally

Israel has a dynamic, technologically advanced market economy, with a GDP of approximately US$200 billion. Over the past five years, GDP has grown by an average of five percent annually, while inflation has been near zero and the Israeli Shekel has remained stable versus the US Dollar. The Bank of Israel's interest rate is at a record low, at 0.5 percent, and is among the lowest in the world. Raw materials (excluding diamonds and fuels), constitute 40 percent of total imports, while manufacturing (low-to-high technology products and services), constitutes 87 percent of total exports. In addition, there are more Israeli-domiciled companies traded on NASDAQ (currently 63) than in any country outside the US.

The country's entrepreneurial and competitive environment is underpinned by a number of cultural and social factors. Education is one of the key drivers with high numbers of science and engineering students graduating each year - Israel boasts a ratio of 135 scientists per 100,000 workers, the highest in the world

In the 1990s, following the successful establishment of Yozma, one of Israel's first venture capital (VC) programs, nearly 100 VC firms have been established, using foreign and local investment capital, to help catapult the creation and expansion of a large number of high technology companies. Approximately US$9.4 billion of capital was invested from these sources between 1993 and 2000. In all, approximately US$4.2 billion of capital has been invested in Israeli private equity firms KPMG - April 2011 - frontiers in finance: Spreading its wings

With what Israel has stolen or mooched, Haiti would be prosperous.