If you think arming teachers is a solution to school shootings then you are either dumb or insane

[Brain357]

We need gun control. Even law enforcement falls victim to mass shootings.
2016 shooting of Dallas police officers - Wikipedia
On July 7, 2016, Micah Xavier Johnson ambushed and fired upon a group of police officers in Dallas, Texas, killing five officers and injuring nine others.

 

[bripat9643]

Well gee obviously those people are exceptions because they are trained on using and securing their weapons

So, what you're saying is, teachers are too dumb to be trained?

On the job, I wear a level III retention holster which will prevent most attempts at a gun grab. However, if I'm incapacitated from behind, it will not prevent the assailant from taking the gun from my unconscious form.

Soldiers, on the other hand, wear little or not retention on their primary firearm.

a few weeks of training is worthless in REAL life--
Again-this is not the movies/TV/etc--but real life
it's not as easy as ''just arming teachers''/etc
even the police are notorious for inaccuracy
HARSH REALITY: Police Are Not Highly Trained Firearms Experts

In most real-life violent situations the non-law-abiding person has the upper hand and the law enforcer needs to adapt

• Average inaccurate shots fired totaled 78

Situational Stress and Shooting Accuracy For Police

A Hail of Bullets, a Heap of Uncertainty

Thirdly- Time. Working aggressive and demanding skill training and exercises into a typical patrol officers week is very difficul

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-police...hit-the-target-What-should-be-done-about-that

I've fired M9 and M1911A1 for competition and it is NOT easy to hit even center mass at a stationary target at even 10 yards without a lot of practice---as cross checked by links on trained police above

10 Cases Where A Concealed Carry Handgun Saved The Day

did you not read the facts I posted:?
1. the shooter/criminal/etc has the upper hand over the cop/etc
2. trained cops accuracy is not good
---the CC incidents are NOT even close to being the same--these school shooters are going in shooting--wanting to kill as many as fast as they can---BIG difference

in incident number 2, the CC fired 3 times--the suspect ran off and came back firing !!!!!--great job [ smh ]

The CC hit the perp in the leg, and they guy ran off. When he came back firing, the CC fired back allowing bystanders to get to shelter.

!!!hahhaha wtf!! in incident number 3 the CC MISSED and was shot!!!!! good job [ smh ]

She would have been dead if she hadn't been armed.

in incident number 4, the robber didn't have a gun !!!

So? Unarmed thugs can kill you.

these examples are WORTHLESS--
these are evidence that backs up MY points

Hardly. Guns are used thousands of times every day to prevent people from being assaulted or killed.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We need gun control. Even law enforcement falls victim to mass shootings.
2016 shooting of Dallas police officers - Wikipedia
On July 7, 2016, Micah Xavier Johnson ambushed and fired upon a group of police officers in Dallas, Texas, killing five officers and injuring nine others.

Right you are, it's because of gun control.

 

[bripat9643]

So, what you're saying is, teachers are too dumb to be trained?

On the job, I wear a level III retention holster which will prevent most attempts at a gun grab. However, if I'm incapacitated from behind, it will not prevent the assailant from taking the gun from my unconscious form.

Soldiers, on the other hand, wear little or not retention on their primary firearm.

a few weeks of training is worthless in REAL life--
Again-this is not the movies/TV/etc--but real life
it's not as easy as ''just arming teachers''/etc
even the police are notorious for inaccuracy
HARSH REALITY: Police Are Not Highly Trained Firearms Experts

In most real-life violent situations the non-law-abiding person has the upper hand and the law enforcer needs to adapt

• Average inaccurate shots fired totaled 78

Situational Stress and Shooting Accuracy For Police

A Hail of Bullets, a Heap of Uncertainty

Thirdly- Time. Working aggressive and demanding skill training and exercises into a typical patrol officers week is very difficul

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-police...hit-the-target-What-should-be-done-about-that

I've fired M9 and M1911A1 for competition and it is NOT easy to hit even center mass at a stationary target at even 10 yards without a lot of practice---as cross checked by links on trained police above

10 Cases Where A Concealed Carry Handgun Saved The Day

the stats are there.....if you think these teachers are going to be Dirty Harry, you're in fariytale land

The empirical evidence shows that concealed carry holders have saved a lot of lives.

please see post #639
again--these shooters usually don't care if they die--they are not thieves/etc
big, big difference
they are out to KILL--not steal

They do care if they die before they can take anyone with them. That's why they choose places with lots of people where they know no one has a gun.

 

[Brain357]

We need gun control. Even law enforcement falls victim to mass shootings.
2016 shooting of Dallas police officers - Wikipedia
On July 7, 2016, Micah Xavier Johnson ambushed and fired upon a group of police officers in Dallas, Texas, killing five officers and injuring nine others.

Right you are, it's because of gun control.

We lose cops to shootings regularly. Most are just domestic calls. We had lot of dead cops long before anyone heard of black lives matters.

 

[Brain357]

a few weeks of training is worthless in REAL life--
Again-this is not the movies/TV/etc--but real life
it's not as easy as ''just arming teachers''/etc
even the police are notorious for inaccuracy
HARSH REALITY: Police Are Not Highly Trained Firearms Experts
Situational Stress and Shooting Accuracy For Police

A Hail of Bullets, a Heap of Uncertainty

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-police...hit-the-target-What-should-be-done-about-that

I've fired M9 and M1911A1 for competition and it is NOT easy to hit even center mass at a stationary target at even 10 yards without a lot of practice---as cross checked by links on trained police above

10 Cases Where A Concealed Carry Handgun Saved The Day

the stats are there.....if you think these teachers are going to be Dirty Harry, you're in fariytale land

The empirical evidence shows that concealed carry holders have saved a lot of lives.

please see post #639
again--these shooters usually don't care if they die--they are not thieves/etc
big, big difference
they are out to KILL--not steal

They do care if they die before they can take anyone with them. That's why they choose places with lots of people where they know no one has a gun.

These guys were pretty well armed.
2016 shooting of Dallas police officers - Wikipedia

 

[2aguy]

We need gun control. Even law enforcement falls victim to mass shootings.
2016 shooting of Dallas police officers - Wikipedia
On July 7, 2016, Micah Xavier Johnson ambushed and fired upon a group of police officers in Dallas, Texas, killing five officers and injuring nine others.

Sadly for you, that shooting shows that the myth of the armed citizen is a myth....there were citizens with AR-15s on their shoulders, and they also had pistols....when the Black Lives Matter shooter started murdering police, the armed citizens got out of the way and let the police do their jobs.....they did not engage the shooter, they did not get shot by the police....

Nothing you say about the gun issue is even remotely true or accurate.....

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We need gun control. Even law enforcement falls victim to mass shootings.
2016 shooting of Dallas police officers - Wikipedia
On July 7, 2016, Micah Xavier Johnson ambushed and fired upon a group of police officers in Dallas, Texas, killing five officers and injuring nine others.

Right you are, it's because of gun control.

We lose cops to shootings regularly. Most are just domestic calls. We had lot of dead cops long before anyone heard of black lives matters.

But after Ferguson, it increased a bit. This is especially true of execution style police murders.

 

[2aguy]

10 Cases Where A Concealed Carry Handgun Saved The Day

the stats are there.....if you think these teachers are going to be Dirty Harry, you're in fariytale land

The empirical evidence shows that concealed carry holders have saved a lot of lives.

please see post #639
again--these shooters usually don't care if they die--they are not thieves/etc
big, big difference
they are out to KILL--not steal

They do care if they die before they can take anyone with them. That's why they choose places with lots of people where they know no one has a gun.

These guys were pretty well armed.
2016 shooting of Dallas police officers - Wikipedia

And they stopped the shooter......doofus........imagine if the shooter had gone to a gun free zone.......he could have murdered a lot more people...

Or imagine if he had used a rental truck...he could have murdered a lot more people than he did with that rifle.....

 

[Auld Phart]

Because we have to put up with people that believe the president overturning a bullshit EO, allowed people with mental illness to buy firearms.

(Here's a FactCheck for you)


Trump Nixed Gun-Control Rule - FactCheck.org

Thanks for proving me right. You dolts do have a purpose after all.

Q: Did President Donald Trump repeal a rule that aims to block some people with mental disorders from buying guns?

A: Yes. The Social Security Administration is no longer required to submit the names of certain mentally disabled beneficiaries to a federal agency that conducts gun background checks.

and you claim to have been a teacher?

Sorry for using your own source to prove you wrong. It must have been embarrassing.

A: Yes. The Social Security Administration is no longer required to submit the names of certain mentally disabled beneficiaries to a federal agency that conducts gun background checks.

They can't handle their own finances, and that make them to mentally ill to own a firearm?

WTF are the people at the SSA to make that determination?

again, why do you claim to be a teacher?

WTF??

You think mental illness is only about an inability to handle one’s own finances.

You think mental illness is only about an inability to handle one’s own finances.

Obama did, when he wrote that EO

 

[Auld Phart]

10 Cases Where A Concealed Carry Handgun Saved The Day

the stats are there.....if you think these teachers are going to be Dirty Harry, you're in fariytale land

The empirical evidence shows that concealed carry holders have saved a lot of lives.

please see post #639
again--these shooters usually don't care if they die--they are not thieves/etc
big, big difference
they are out to KILL--not steal

They do care if they die before they can take anyone with them. That's why they choose places with lots of people where they know no one has a gun.

These guys were pretty well armed.
2016 shooting of Dallas police officers - Wikipedia

and shot by a sniper from ambush.

 

[Brain357]

We need gun control. Even law enforcement falls victim to mass shootings.
2016 shooting of Dallas police officers - Wikipedia
On July 7, 2016, Micah Xavier Johnson ambushed and fired upon a group of police officers in Dallas, Texas, killing five officers and injuring nine others.

Sadly for you, that shooting shows that the myth of the armed citizen is a myth....there were citizens with AR-15s on their shoulders, and they also had pistols....when the Black Lives Matter shooter started murdering police, the armed citizens got out of the way and let the police do their jobs.....they did not engage the shooter, they did not get shot by the police....

Nothing you say about the gun issue is even remotely true or accurate.....

Sadly for you, that proves that even when surrounded by good guys with guns, the bad guy kills many.

 

[Brain357]

the stats are there.....if you think these teachers are going to be Dirty Harry, you're in fariytale land

The empirical evidence shows that concealed carry holders have saved a lot of lives.

please see post #639
again--these shooters usually don't care if they die--they are not thieves/etc
big, big difference
they are out to KILL--not steal

They do care if they die before they can take anyone with them. That's why they choose places with lots of people where they know no one has a gun.

These guys were pretty well armed.
2016 shooting of Dallas police officers - Wikipedia

And they stopped the shooter......doofus........imagine if the shooter had gone to a gun free zone.......he could have murdered a lot more people...

Or imagine if he had used a rental truck...he could have murdered a lot more people than he did with that rifle.....

Yes he was stopped after many died. Meanwhile countries with strong gun control had no shooting and nobody died.

 

[2aguy]

We need gun control. Even law enforcement falls victim to mass shootings.
2016 shooting of Dallas police officers - Wikipedia
On July 7, 2016, Micah Xavier Johnson ambushed and fired upon a group of police officers in Dallas, Texas, killing five officers and injuring nine others.

Sadly for you, that shooting shows that the myth of the armed citizen is a myth....there were citizens with AR-15s on their shoulders, and they also had pistols....when the Black Lives Matter shooter started murdering police, the armed citizens got out of the way and let the police do their jobs.....they did not engage the shooter, they did not get shot by the police....

Nothing you say about the gun issue is even remotely true or accurate.....

Sadly for you, that proves that even when surrounded by good guys with guns, the bad guy kills many.

Yes.......when you attack from surprise you can commit murder...boy, you sure are smart. What it really shows is that good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns....

And he murdered 6 police officers....with one rifle....

The muslim terrorist in France, with a rental truck, murdered 86 people in 5 minutes.....

Which tool was deadlier?

The

 

[Brain357]

We need gun control. Even law enforcement falls victim to mass shootings.
2016 shooting of Dallas police officers - Wikipedia
On July 7, 2016, Micah Xavier Johnson ambushed and fired upon a group of police officers in Dallas, Texas, killing five officers and injuring nine others.

Right you are, it's because of gun control.

We lose cops to shootings regularly. Most are just domestic calls. We had lot of dead cops long before anyone heard of black lives matters.

But after Ferguson, it increased a bit. This is especially true of execution style police murders.

No actually it didn't. We've had worse years before BLM ever existed. But we always have them, usually about 1 a week average. Countries with strong gun control only lose single digits a year...

 

[2aguy]

The empirical evidence shows that concealed carry holders have saved a lot of lives.

please see post #639
again--these shooters usually don't care if they die--they are not thieves/etc
big, big difference
they are out to KILL--not steal

They do care if they die before they can take anyone with them. That's why they choose places with lots of people where they know no one has a gun.

These guys were pretty well armed.
2016 shooting of Dallas police officers - Wikipedia

And they stopped the shooter......doofus........imagine if the shooter had gone to a gun free zone.......he could have murdered a lot more people...

Or imagine if he had used a rental truck...he could have murdered a lot more people than he did with that rifle.....

Yes he was stopped after many died. Meanwhile countries with strong gun control had no shooting and nobody died.

Britain had two stopped last year, France had 135 murdered with fully automatic military rifles that are banned in Europe, Norway had 80 some children murdered....

You don't know what you are talkiing about....

 

[Brain357]

We need gun control. Even law enforcement falls victim to mass shootings.
2016 shooting of Dallas police officers - Wikipedia
On July 7, 2016, Micah Xavier Johnson ambushed and fired upon a group of police officers in Dallas, Texas, killing five officers and injuring nine others.

Sadly for you, that shooting shows that the myth of the armed citizen is a myth....there were citizens with AR-15s on their shoulders, and they also had pistols....when the Black Lives Matter shooter started murdering police, the armed citizens got out of the way and let the police do their jobs.....they did not engage the shooter, they did not get shot by the police....

Nothing you say about the gun issue is even remotely true or accurate.....

Sadly for you, that proves that even when surrounded by good guys with guns, the bad guy kills many.

Yes.......when you attack from surprise you can commit murder...boy, you sure are smart. What it really shows is that good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns....

And he murdered 6 police officers....with one rifle....

The muslim terrorist in France, with a rental truck, murdered 86 people in 5 minutes.....

Which tool was deadlier?

The

Yes so clearly it is best to have gun control. Arm killers with really dangerous guns and many are going to die.

 

[2aguy]

We need gun control. Even law enforcement falls victim to mass shootings.
2016 shooting of Dallas police officers - Wikipedia
On July 7, 2016, Micah Xavier Johnson ambushed and fired upon a group of police officers in Dallas, Texas, killing five officers and injuring nine others.

Sadly for you, that shooting shows that the myth of the armed citizen is a myth....there were citizens with AR-15s on their shoulders, and they also had pistols....when the Black Lives Matter shooter started murdering police, the armed citizens got out of the way and let the police do their jobs.....they did not engage the shooter, they did not get shot by the police....

Nothing you say about the gun issue is even remotely true or accurate.....

Sadly for you, that proves that even when surrounded by good guys with guns, the bad guy kills many.

Yes.......when you attack from surprise you can commit murder...boy, you sure are smart. What it really shows is that good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns....

And he murdered 6 police officers....with one rifle....

The muslim terrorist in France, with a rental truck, murdered 86 people in 5 minutes.....

Which tool was deadlier?

The

Yes so clearly it is best to have gun control. Arm killers with really dangerous guns and many are going to die.

Allow people to rent trucks and more people will die.....

 

[Brain357]

please see post #639
again--these shooters usually don't care if they die--they are not thieves/etc
big, big difference
they are out to KILL--not steal

They do care if they die before they can take anyone with them. That's why they choose places with lots of people where they know no one has a gun.

These guys were pretty well armed.
2016 shooting of Dallas police officers - Wikipedia

And they stopped the shooter......doofus........imagine if the shooter had gone to a gun free zone.......he could have murdered a lot more people...

Or imagine if he had used a rental truck...he could have murdered a lot more people than he did with that rifle.....

Yes he was stopped after many died. Meanwhile countries with strong gun control had no shooting and nobody died.

Britain had two stopped last year, France had 135 murdered with fully automatic military rifles that are banned in Europe, Norway had 80 some children murdered....

You don't know what you are talkiing about....

Britain had two stopped. We had many as well as many stopped. Seems Britain is doing a whole lot better.
France, yes a whole group of international terrorists. We lost thousands in 9-11. Terrorists kill people. But we also have kids killing in our schools. One shooter in Vegas killed 58, just a lone acting gunman.
Norway, that was years ago. How many before and after that? We have new worst mass shootings regularly.

 

[Brain357]

We need gun control. Even law enforcement falls victim to mass shootings.
2016 shooting of Dallas police officers - Wikipedia
On July 7, 2016, Micah Xavier Johnson ambushed and fired upon a group of police officers in Dallas, Texas, killing five officers and injuring nine others.

Sadly for you, that shooting shows that the myth of the armed citizen is a myth....there were citizens with AR-15s on their shoulders, and they also had pistols....when the Black Lives Matter shooter started murdering police, the armed citizens got out of the way and let the police do their jobs.....they did not engage the shooter, they did not get shot by the police....

Nothing you say about the gun issue is even remotely true or accurate.....

Sadly for you, that proves that even when surrounded by good guys with guns, the bad guy kills many.

Yes.......when you attack from surprise you can commit murder...boy, you sure are smart. What it really shows is that good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns....

And he murdered 6 police officers....with one rifle....

The muslim terrorist in France, with a rental truck, murdered 86 people in 5 minutes.....

Which tool was deadlier?

The

Yes so clearly it is best to have gun control. Arm killers with really dangerous guns and many are going to die.

Allow people to rent trucks and more people will die.....

There are easy answers to that problem.
City adding 1,500 barriers to prevent vehicle terror attacks