Illegal Aliens Lose Battle In Birth Certificatr Lawsuit Against Texas

[Dana7360]

Conservative ignorance of the law is exceeded only by their hate and stupidity.

Denying an injunction does not mean the plaintiffs have 'lost' anything.

The order is procedural, having nothing to do with the merits of the families' case, where the order is based on the type of documents provided, not the fact that the children are indeed US citizens:

“In his ruling denying an emergency order sought by families, Judge Robert L. Pitman of the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Texas in San Antonio said Texas officials can refuse to accept matricula consularcards, issued by Mexican consulates, as a form of identification to obtain birth certificates for U.S.-born children.”

Judge: Texas can deny birth certificates for U.S.-born children of some immigrants

The judge is also aware of the fact that Texas is likely acting in bad faith, where the state's concern is not with the 'integrity' of their issuing process, but an unwarranted hostility toward immigrants and their US citizen children:

'Although Pitman noted the families’ attorneys had “provided evidence which raises grave concerns regarding the treatment of citizen children born to immigrant parents,” he said the court needed more evidence before issuing the emergency injunction they had sought.' ibid

Once acceptable documentation is provided, or the state's requirement is invalidated by the courts, the US citizen children will be issued their birth certificates.

We should just pack them up, but chip them first, then send them to from where they came. If they come back, shoot them

-Geaux

People who are born in America came from America.

So where do you send an American citizen back to?

Not in Texas apparently. And I support their decision

-Geaux

Actually no. The constitution is supposed to applied to everyone equally by our government.

This ruling won't stand long. The constitution is very clear. People who are born in America are automatically citizens just for being born in our borders. Just like you are. America can't issue birth certificates for other countries.

The people in Texas will be able to get their birth certificates whether you like it or not. They are citizens of this nation whether they have that piece of paper or not.

Whether you like it or not.

You didn't answer my question. Where do you want to send American citizens back to? Their place of birth? That would be America.

To the nation they're citizens of? That would be America.

 

[Geaux4it]

Conservative ignorance of the law is exceeded only by their hate and stupidity.

Denying an injunction does not mean the plaintiffs have 'lost' anything.

The order is procedural, having nothing to do with the merits of the families' case, where the order is based on the type of documents provided, not the fact that the children are indeed US citizens:

“In his ruling denying an emergency order sought by families, Judge Robert L. Pitman of the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Texas in San Antonio said Texas officials can refuse to accept matricula consularcards, issued by Mexican consulates, as a form of identification to obtain birth certificates for U.S.-born children.”

Judge: Texas can deny birth certificates for U.S.-born children of some immigrants

The judge is also aware of the fact that Texas is likely acting in bad faith, where the state's concern is not with the 'integrity' of their issuing process, but an unwarranted hostility toward immigrants and their US citizen children:

'Although Pitman noted the families’ attorneys had “provided evidence which raises grave concerns regarding the treatment of citizen children born to immigrant parents,” he said the court needed more evidence before issuing the emergency injunction they had sought.' ibid

Once acceptable documentation is provided, or the state's requirement is invalidated by the courts, the US citizen children will be issued their birth certificates.

We should just pack them up, but chip them first, then send them to from where they came. If they come back, shoot them

-Geaux

People who are born in America came from America.

So where do you send an American citizen back to?

Not in Texas apparently. And I support their decision

-Geaux

Actually no. The constitution is supposed to applied to everyone equally by our government.

This ruling won't stand long. The constitution is very clear. People who are born in America are automatically citizens just for being born in our borders. Just like you are. America can't issue birth certificates for other countries.

The people in Texas will be able to get their birth certificates whether you like it or not. They are citizens of this nation whether they have that piece of paper or not.

Whether you like it or not.

You didn't answer my question. Where do you want to send American citizens back to? Their place of birth? That would be America.

To the nation they're citizens of? That would be America.

Load them up with their illegal parents and ship them out. Not a difficult proposition

-Geaux

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Conservative ignorance of the law is exceeded only by their hate and stupidity.

Denying an injunction does not mean the plaintiffs have 'lost' anything.

The order is procedural, having nothing to do with the merits of the families' case, where the order is based on the type of documents provided, not the fact that the children are indeed US citizens:

“In his ruling denying an emergency order sought by families, Judge Robert L. Pitman of the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Texas in San Antonio said Texas officials can refuse to accept matricula consularcards, issued by Mexican consulates, as a form of identification to obtain birth certificates for U.S.-born children.”

Judge: Texas can deny birth certificates for U.S.-born children of some immigrants

The judge is also aware of the fact that Texas is likely acting in bad faith, where the state's concern is not with the 'integrity' of their issuing process, but an unwarranted hostility toward immigrants and their US citizen children:

'Although Pitman noted the families’ attorneys had “provided evidence which raises grave concerns regarding the treatment of citizen children born to immigrant parents,” he said the court needed more evidence before issuing the emergency injunction they had sought.' ibid

Once acceptable documentation is provided, or the state's requirement is invalidated by the courts, the US citizen children will be issued their birth certificates.

We should just pack them up, but chip them first, then send them to from where they came. If they come back, shoot them

-Geaux

People who are born in America came from America.

So where do you send an American citizen back to?

Not in Texas apparently. And I support their decision

-Geaux

Actually no. The constitution is supposed to applied to everyone equally by our government.

This ruling won't stand long. The constitution is very clear. People who are born in America are automatically citizens just for being born in our borders. Just like you are. America can't issue birth certificates for other countries.

The people in Texas will be able to get their birth certificates whether you like it or not. They are citizens of this nation whether they have that piece of paper or not.

Whether you like it or not.

You didn't answer my question. Where do you want to send American citizens back to? Their place of birth? That would be America.

To the nation they're citizens of? That would be America.

Load them up with their illegal parents and ship them out. Not a difficult proposition

-Geaux

Why would other nations want to accept little American citizens? Oh wait, they wouldn't.

 

[Zander]

They are not citizens

Read the language - "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside". "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means "not owing allegiance to anybody else". By itself, birth within the territorial limits of the United States does not make one automatically "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States.

If the Russian ambassador to the US is a woman, and she has a baby here in the US, is that baby a US Citizen? Of course not. They are not "subject to the jurisdiction of the USA". Neither are illegal aliens.

The Fourteenth Amendment was necessary to overturn Dred Scott and to settle the question of the citizenship of the newly freed slaves.It does not infer citizenship on anchor babies.

Trump will fix this permanently. No more anchor babies.

A Russian Ambassador cannot be arrested- that is why he is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

An illegal alien can be arrested- and is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

The language of the 14th Amendment is very clear- those born here are born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States- unless their parents are diplomats.

And do you think Trump is running for President? Or Emperor?

Because President's don't get to change the 14th Amendment- Emperor Trump of course could.

You're wrong, of course. The original intent of "jurisdiction" was not about "geography", but allegiance. Every person present in the United States is not presumed to have fealty to the United States, which is what “jurisdiction” means in the Fourteenth Amendment.

No- you are wrong- Trump is running for President- not Emperor- and President's don't get to ignore the Constitution.

If Congress wanted to use the word 'allegiance' or 'fealty' then they could have used those words- but they specifically used the word 'jurisdiction' which as the courts have noted repeatedly is very clear in what that means

In footnote 10 (dicta?) of Plyler the Court addresses the “subject to the jurisdiction” phrase of the Citizenship Clause by citing Justice Gray in United States v. Wong Kim Ark who noted it was:


impossible to construe the words “subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” in the opening sentence [of the Fourteenth Amendment], as less comprehensive than the words “within its jurisdiction,” in the concluding sentence of the same section; or to hold that persons “within the jurisdiction” of one of the States of the Union are not “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.”


Justice Gray concluded that:


[e]very citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States.

Original Intent is what matters, the 14th amendment was about SLAVES. It did not grant citizenship to Indians. It does not grant citizenship to the children born of foreign nationals while within our borders.

When Trump is elected he will have a pen, and a phone. He will write an executive order.

What else will Emperor Trump ignore the Constitution about?

Are you saying you oppose executive orders?

 

[Syriusly]

The POTUS cannot change the the 14th, and a hundred years of SC decisions. You will need to amend the Constitution, like so:

"...the Congress has determined and hereby declares that any person born after the date of enactment of this title to a mother who is neither a citizen of the United States nor admitted to the United States as a lawful permanent resident, and which person is a national or citizen of another country of which either of his or her natural parents is a national or citizen, or is entitled upon application to become a national or citizen of such country, shall be considered as born subject to the jurisdiction of that foreign country and not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States within the meaning of section 1 of such Article and shall therefore not be a citizen of the United States or of any State solely by reason of physical presence within the United States at the moment of birth.”

Complete horse shit.

Illegals are being given citizenship to the anchor bratsl.

Because who you call 'anchor brats' are in fact American citizens.

No matter how much you hate Americans.

 

[JimBowie1958]

You didn't answer my question. Where do you want to send American citizens back to? Their place of birth? That would be America.

To the nation they're citizens of? That would be America.

Bullshit.

You don't get it. We are all familiar with the libtard myth of this America that has no culture, no national language and no self-identity, but WE DO HAVE ALL THESE THINGS, legally recognized or not, whether you like it or not. And we are going to PUT A FUCKING END TO THIS BULLSHIT OF UNDEFINING AMERICA.

Right now, it may be that SCOTUS agrees with you, but so far SCOTUS has given no clear ruling on whether the brats illegals hatch here are American citizens by birthright or not.

NOTICE THAT: SCOTUS HAS NOT YET RULED.

You say you know blah blah blah, but we all know that is just your spin on what you would like it to be and since you are a libtard you cant tell the difference between what you say is Reality and Reality itself, so you say some things are fact when they are NOT fact.

But whether SCOTUS agrees with you are does not, then AMERICA WILL TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL AND DO THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT OR AN ARTICLE 5 CONVENTION and THROW THE DICE.

So fuck you, and eat shit, and cry in a fucking corner, dumbass.

 

[JimBowie1958]

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Because who you call 'anchor brats' are in fact American citizens.

No matter how much you hate Americans.

No, they are not REQUIRED by the constitution to be citizens, as they have no declared birthright citizenship.

Whether you like it or not, if SCOTUS give it to them, that is just more steam for an Article 5 Convention and we will fix this and many other things there.

So get ready to cry, cry cry, doofus.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

[
Because who you call 'anchor brats' are in fact American citizens.

No matter how much you hate Americans.

No, they are not REQUIRED by the constitution to be citizens, as they have no declared birthright citizenship.

Whether you like it or not, if SCOTUS give it to them, that is just more steam for an Article 5 Convention and we will fix this and many other things there.

So get ready to cry, cry cry, doofus.

Your xenophobia doesn't play well in a nation of immigrants. Good luck with your throw them all out hopes and dreams, that's all they are.

 

[anotherlife]

This is what the US could do, perfectly legal, and requires no legislative action or special law enforcement budget. When the parents register the birth, deport them, and put the anchor baby into foster care. I heard it is easy to find foster homes for babies, more than for teenagers. Then, in 10 years, the Mexican parents could visit their English speaking kid in jouvy all the way from Mexico.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Your xenophobia doesn't play well in a nation of immigrants. Good luck with your throw them all out hopes and dreams, that's all they are.

You are an idiot, and I place no value in your attempts to think.

 

[JimBowie1958]

This is what the US could do, perfectly legal, and requires no legislative action or special law enforcement budget. When the parents register the birth, deport them, and put the anchor baby into foster care. I heard it is easy to find foster homes for babies, more than for teenagers. Then, in 10 years, the Mexican parents could visit their English speaking kid in jouvy all the way from Mexico.

We must do SOMETHING, whether it requires mandatory jail time, working camps, prison time, firing squads or whatever else, BUT WE MUST SAVE OUR COUNTRY and WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO.

The corporations have sponsored the class division that leaves us in conflict along racial, gender, religious and other lines, and they have made a windfall from that division. That is Americans being distracted idiots by and large, but this is coming down to the wire and it will soon be too late to fix this thing and save our country from dissolution without frontiers, without a culture, without a unifying language, etc.

History justifies the necessary actions of patriots who defend their own country and always will.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

This is what the US could do, perfectly legal, and requires no legislative action or special law enforcement budget. When the parents register the birth, deport them, and put the anchor baby into foster care. I heard it is easy to find foster homes for babies, more than for teenagers. Then, in 10 years, the Mexican parents could visit their English speaking kid in jouvy all the way from Mexico.

We must do SOMETHING, whether it requires mandatory jail time, working camps, prison time, firing squads or whatever else, BUT WE MUST SAVE OUR COUNTRY and WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO.

The corporations have sponsored the class division that leaves us in conflict along racial, gender, religious and other lines, and they have made a windfall from that division. That is Americans being distracted idiots by and large, but this is coming down to the wire and it will soon be too late to fix this thing and save our country from dissolution without frontiers, without a culture, without a unifying language, etc.

History justifies the necessary actions of patriots who defend their own country and always will.

This is a liberal, secular by law, nation, it's not for your kind. You'd be happier in Russia...

 

[anotherlife]

This is what the US could do, perfectly legal, and requires no legislative action or special law enforcement budget. When the parents register the birth, deport them, and put the anchor baby into foster care. I heard it is easy to find foster homes for babies, more than for teenagers. Then, in 10 years, the Mexican parents could visit their English speaking kid in jouvy all the way from Mexico.

We must do SOMETHING, whether it requires mandatory jail time, working camps, prison time, firing squads or whatever else, BUT WE MUST SAVE OUR COUNTRY and WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO.

The corporations have sponsored the class division that leaves us in conflict along racial, gender, religious and other lines, and they have made a windfall from that division. That is Americans being distracted idiots by and large, but this is coming down to the wire and it will soon be too late to fix this thing and save our country from dissolution without frontiers, without a culture, without a unifying language, etc.

History justifies the necessary actions of patriots who defend their own country and always will.

To my understanding, the original USA, as set up by the Founding Fathers, was not a nation state, but a network of communities. Now that these communities got castrated by a centralized nation government, that is remote and disconnected, impositions on regular Americans will just grow higher and higher, until Americans are totally indentured, like slaves, and the imported thugs will continue to be the remote government's middle men. We are almost totally there, if we take e.g. the student loan con of the day. Government employees, and government assisted "poor" can get it cancelled, otherwise not even bankruptcy helps. And of course, we know who the government assisted poor are and how much English they want to learn.

 

[anotherlife]

This is what the US could do, perfectly legal, and requires no legislative action or special law enforcement budget. When the parents register the birth, deport them, and put the anchor baby into foster care. I heard it is easy to find foster homes for babies, more than for teenagers. Then, in 10 years, the Mexican parents could visit their English speaking kid in jouvy all the way from Mexico.

We must do SOMETHING, whether it requires mandatory jail time, working camps, prison time, firing squads or whatever else, BUT WE MUST SAVE OUR COUNTRY and WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO.

The corporations have sponsored the class division that leaves us in conflict along racial, gender, religious and other lines, and they have made a windfall from that division. That is Americans being distracted idiots by and large, but this is coming down to the wire and it will soon be too late to fix this thing and save our country from dissolution without frontiers, without a culture, without a unifying language, etc.

History justifies the necessary actions of patriots who defend their own country and always will.

This is a liberal, secular by law, nation, it's not for your kind. You'd be happier in Russia...

No, because liberal Russia has already run out of other people's money. Liberal America will run out only later.

 

[AmericanFirst1]

Conservative ignorance of the law is exceeded only by their hate and stupidity.

Denying an injunction does not mean the plaintiffs have 'lost' anything.

The order is procedural, having nothing to do with the merits of the families' case, where the order is based on the type of documents provided, not the fact that the children are indeed US citizens:

“In his ruling denying an emergency order sought by families, Judge Robert L. Pitman of the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Texas in San Antonio said Texas officials can refuse to accept matricula consularcards, issued by Mexican consulates, as a form of identification to obtain birth certificates for U.S.-born children.”

Judge: Texas can deny birth certificates for U.S.-born children of some immigrants

The judge is also aware of the fact that Texas is likely acting in bad faith, where the state's concern is not with the 'integrity' of their issuing process, but an unwarranted hostility toward immigrants and their US citizen children:

'Although Pitman noted the families’ attorneys had “provided evidence which raises grave concerns regarding the treatment of citizen children born to immigrant parents,” he said the court needed more evidence before issuing the emergency injunction they had sought.' ibid

Once acceptable documentation is provided, or the state's requirement is invalidated by the courts, the US citizen children will be issued their birth certificates.

Go suck an egg America hating bitch.

Really?

Tell me, who hates America?

The person who respects and defends our constitution?

Or...

The conservative who violates our constitution daily?

Anyone who doesn't believe that a person who was born in our borders is a citizen of our nation is violating the constitution.

So. If I were you I would stop with your America hating lies. It's people like YOU who hate America and all we stand for.

Wrong

 

[ogibillm]

Eventually the courts will rule against texas. Requiring a parent to have an id issued by a state or the federal government in order to obtain the birth certificate is placing an undo burden on the child

 

[Zander]

The next Republican POTUS will, like Obama, have a pen, and a phone.

He, as the executive, will "execute" a series of "executive orders". Many which will be Constitutionally dubious, but blessed by a partisan 3rd party authority, making it 100% acceptable.

Surely the liberal shitbirds here at USMB will fully support the use of constitutionally questionable executive orders? Right? Shitbirds? ???

 

[ogibillm]

The next Republican POTUS will, like Obama, have a pen, and a phone.

He, as the executive, will "execute" a series of "executive orders". Many which will be Constitutionally dubious, but blessed by a partisan 3rd party authority, making it 100% acceptable.

Surely the liberal shitbirds here at USMB will fully support the use of constitutionally questionable executive orders? Right? Shitbirds? ???

Can't executive order away the 14th amendment

 

[Zander]

The next Republican POTUS will, like Obama, have a pen, and a phone.

He, as the executive, will "execute" a series of "executive orders". Many which will be Constitutionally dubious, but blessed by a partisan 3rd party authority, making it 100% acceptable.

Surely the liberal shitbirds here at USMB will fully support the use of constitutionally questionable executive orders? Right? Shitbirds? ???

Can't executive order away the 14th amendment

Of course not. But you can reinterpret, citing original intent....are you opposed to executive orders that are controversial?

 

[ogibillm]

The next Republican POTUS will, like Obama, have a pen, and a phone.

He, as the executive, will "execute" a series of "executive orders". Many which will be Constitutionally dubious, but blessed by a partisan 3rd party authority, making it 100% acceptable.

Surely the liberal shitbirds here at USMB will fully support the use of constitutionally questionable executive orders? Right? Shitbirds? ???

Can't executive order away the 14th amendment

Of course not. But you can reinterpret, citing original intent....are you opposed to executive orders that are controversial?

Citing original intent would just lead right back to birthright citizenship...