Illegal Aliens Lose Battle In Birth Certificatr Lawsuit Against Texas

[Dana7360]

"A federal judge signed an order on Friday that denied a preliminary injunction in a lawsuit filed by citizens of Mexico and several Central American nations claiming entitlement to birth certificates for their children born in the United States. They sued the Vital Statistics Unit of the Texas Department of State Health Services saying the agency denied them the certificates because they did not possess the required identification.

"As reported by Breitbart Texas in July, the parent plaintiffs of the 23 children claimed that the state of Texas violated their children’s rights because the Fourteenth Amendment provides that any child born on U.S. soil is an American citizen as well as a citizen of the state where they reside. "

The state of Texas is violating the constitution if they deny anyone who is born in America a birth certificate.

Texas will be forced to issue birth certificates to everyone who is born in that state. It may take a while for the courts to impose the constitution on the state but in the end, the state will be forced to issue those birth certificates.

It always is funny to me to see people who scream they are the only ones who love our constitution and nation yet they violate our constitution on a daily basis.

None of you conservatives are good and honest Americans who love our constitution.

 

[Dana7360]

In the end texas will have to issue the certificates. As citizens those children need them

For what? To vote?

Eventually

Sure, after they go the fuck back where they crawled from, follow legitimate processes to immigrate, and eventually achieve citizenship. Otherwise, we should treat them no worse than their countries of origin would treat foreign invaders. Guess I can motor on down to Me-hee-ko and vote in their next election.

It's funny that you don't realize that those who are born in America are already back where they crawled from.

 

[Dana7360]

Conservative ignorance of the law is exceeded only by their hate and stupidity.

Denying an injunction does not mean the plaintiffs have 'lost' anything.

The order is procedural, having nothing to do with the merits of the families' case, where the order is based on the type of documents provided, not the fact that the children are indeed US citizens:

“In his ruling denying an emergency order sought by families, Judge Robert L. Pitman of the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Texas in San Antonio said Texas officials can refuse to accept matricula consularcards, issued by Mexican consulates, as a form of identification to obtain birth certificates for U.S.-born children.”

Judge: Texas can deny birth certificates for U.S.-born children of some immigrants

The judge is also aware of the fact that Texas is likely acting in bad faith, where the state's concern is not with the 'integrity' of their issuing process, but an unwarranted hostility toward immigrants and their US citizen children:

'Although Pitman noted the families’ attorneys had “provided evidence which raises grave concerns regarding the treatment of citizen children born to immigrant parents,” he said the court needed more evidence before issuing the emergency injunction they had sought.' ibid

Once acceptable documentation is provided, or the state's requirement is invalidated by the courts, the US citizen children will be issued their birth certificates.

Go suck an egg America hating bitch.

Really?

Tell me, who hates America?

The person who respects and defends our constitution?

Or...

The conservative who violates our constitution daily?

Anyone who doesn't believe that a person who was born in our borders is a citizen of our nation is violating the constitution.

So. If I were you I would stop with your America hating lies. It's people like YOU who hate America and all we stand for.

 

[Dana7360]

Conservative ignorance of the law is exceeded only by their hate and stupidity.

Denying an injunction does not mean the plaintiffs have 'lost' anything.

The order is procedural, having nothing to do with the merits of the families' case, where the order is based on the type of documents provided, not the fact that the children are indeed US citizens:

“In his ruling denying an emergency order sought by families, Judge Robert L. Pitman of the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Texas in San Antonio said Texas officials can refuse to accept matricula consularcards, issued by Mexican consulates, as a form of identification to obtain birth certificates for U.S.-born children.”

Judge: Texas can deny birth certificates for U.S.-born children of some immigrants

The judge is also aware of the fact that Texas is likely acting in bad faith, where the state's concern is not with the 'integrity' of their issuing process, but an unwarranted hostility toward immigrants and their US citizen children:

'Although Pitman noted the families’ attorneys had “provided evidence which raises grave concerns regarding the treatment of citizen children born to immigrant parents,” he said the court needed more evidence before issuing the emergency injunction they had sought.' ibid

Once acceptable documentation is provided, or the state's requirement is invalidated by the courts, the US citizen children will be issued their birth certificates.

We should just pack them up, but chip them first, then send them to from where they came. If they come back, shoot them

-Geaux

People who are born in America came from America.

So where do you send an American citizen back to?

 

[Geaux4it]

Conservative ignorance of the law is exceeded only by their hate and stupidity.

Denying an injunction does not mean the plaintiffs have 'lost' anything.

The order is procedural, having nothing to do with the merits of the families' case, where the order is based on the type of documents provided, not the fact that the children are indeed US citizens:

“In his ruling denying an emergency order sought by families, Judge Robert L. Pitman of the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Texas in San Antonio said Texas officials can refuse to accept matricula consularcards, issued by Mexican consulates, as a form of identification to obtain birth certificates for U.S.-born children.”

Judge: Texas can deny birth certificates for U.S.-born children of some immigrants

The judge is also aware of the fact that Texas is likely acting in bad faith, where the state's concern is not with the 'integrity' of their issuing process, but an unwarranted hostility toward immigrants and their US citizen children:

'Although Pitman noted the families’ attorneys had “provided evidence which raises grave concerns regarding the treatment of citizen children born to immigrant parents,” he said the court needed more evidence before issuing the emergency injunction they had sought.' ibid

Once acceptable documentation is provided, or the state's requirement is invalidated by the courts, the US citizen children will be issued their birth certificates.

We should just pack them up, but chip them first, then send them to from where they came. If they come back, shoot them

-Geaux

People who are born in America came from America.

So where do you send an American citizen back to?

Not in Texas apparently. And I support their decision

-Geaux

 

[Syriusly]

They are not citizens

Read the language - "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside". "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means "not owing allegiance to anybody else". By itself, birth within the territorial limits of the United States does not make one automatically "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States.

If the Russian ambassador to the US is a woman, and she has a baby here in the US, is that baby a US Citizen? Of course not. They are not "subject to the jurisdiction of the USA". Neither are illegal aliens.

The Fourteenth Amendment was necessary to overturn Dred Scott and to settle the question of the citizenship of the newly freed slaves.It does not infer citizenship on anchor babies.

Trump will fix this permanently. No more anchor babies.

A Russian Ambassador cannot be arrested- that is why he is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

An illegal alien can be arrested- and is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

The language of the 14th Amendment is very clear- those born here are born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States- unless their parents are diplomats.

And do you think Trump is running for President? Or Emperor?

Because President's don't get to change the 14th Amendment- Emperor Trump of course could.

You're wrong, of course. The original intent of "jurisdiction" was not about "geography", but allegiance. Every person present in the United States is not presumed to have fealty to the United States, which is what “jurisdiction” means in the Fourteenth Amendment.

No- you are wrong- Trump is running for President- not Emperor- and President's don't get to ignore the Constitution.

If Congress wanted to use the word 'allegiance' or 'fealty' then they could have used those words- but they specifically used the word 'jurisdiction' which as the courts have noted repeatedly is very clear in what that means

In footnote 10 (dicta?) of Plyler the Court addresses the “subject to the jurisdiction” phrase of the Citizenship Clause by citing Justice Gray in United States v. Wong Kim Ark who noted it was:


impossible to construe the words “subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” in the opening sentence [of the Fourteenth Amendment], as less comprehensive than the words “within its jurisdiction,” in the concluding sentence of the same section; or to hold that persons “within the jurisdiction” of one of the States of the Union are not “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.”


Justice Gray concluded that:


[e]very citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States.

 

[Syriusly]

Well since everyone born in the United States- born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States is at birth- a citizen- it has everything to do with birthright citizenship, foul mouthed Jimmie.

Bullshit, you lying fuck. Location within the jurisdiction at birth is only one of several conditions that Wong Kim Ark gives.

Another is that the parents cannot be diplomatic staff of a foreign government or its ambassador. Another is that the parents be here legally and with the permission of the US government.

You are just so fucking stupid, you cant help yourself, can you?

Ah wee Jimmie- you do get more foul mouthed as you realize your house of cards is being knocked down.

Wong Kim Ark requires no 'conditions'- Wong Kim Ark interprets the Constitution.

And Wong Kim Ark spells out jurisdiction specifically wee Jimmie

Justice Gray in United States v. Wong Kim Ark who noted it was:

impossible to construe the words “subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” in the opening sentence [of the Fourteenth Amendment], as less comprehensive than the words “within its jurisdiction,” in the concluding sentence of the same section; or to hold that persons “within the jurisdiction” of one of the States of the Union are not “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.”

Justice Gray concluded that:

[e]very citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States.

 

[Syriusly]

Look at the silly racist just make crap up.

Ah where is the racist part idiot? Point that out please.

Oh Shootspeeder is a racist of some renown here at USMB.

He despises 'brown people'- and has railed against them several times in this thread.

SS and I get along fine and I'm 1/2 Mexican. On the other hand PMH has made more racist comments about and towards me the ANY other.

Well good for you- not a shock to me that you get along fine with a racist like Shootspeeder.

You are one of the most prolific racists here, and I have never seen Shootspeeder post anything that is ideologically racist.

LOL- coming from one of the most prolific liars here at USMB- Thanks- being called a racist by Jimmie the liar is an honor.

 

[Syriusly]

Oh Shootspeeder is a racist of some renown here at USMB.

He despises 'brown people'- and has railed against them several times in this thread.

You are the racist when you assume that all illegals born here are brown, moron jack ass.

Oh I haven't assumed that anyone is brown.

I live in San Francisco- and have known illegals who are Irish and Chinese, and also Mexican.

Of course some of them had children- who were American citizens- passports and all.

So you are just deliberately being racist when you imply illegals are all brown people?

Nice to know jack ass.

Since I just said that I have known Irish, Chinese and Mexican illegal immigrants- what about that statement makes you fantasize that I am implying illegals are all brown people"?

Oh thats right- I am dealing with Jimmie- the Liar.

 

[Syriusly]

I have no quarrel with the conclusion that the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment applies to aliens who, after their illegal entry into this country, are indeed physically “within the jurisdiction” of a state

And jurisdiction for due process has absolutely nothing to do with birthright citizenship, jack ass.

Jurisdiction is jurisdiction

Matter of fact- the 14th Amendment mentions jurisdiction twice.

Your house of cards is built upon pretending that the word jurisdiction has two different meanings within the same paragraph of the 14th Amendment.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

And of course Wong Kim Ark rejects your argument

In footnote 10 (dicta?) of Plyler the Court addresses the “subject to the jurisdiction” phrase of the Citizenship Clause by citing Justice Gray in United States v. Wong Kim Ark who noted it was:

impossible to construe the words “subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” in the opening sentence [of the Fourteenth Amendment], as less comprehensive than the words “within its jurisdiction,” in the concluding sentence of the same section; or to hold that persons “within the jurisdiction” of one of the States of the Union are not “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.”

Justice Gray concluded that:

[e]very citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Illegals don't vote, dumbass, ...

They dont vote LEGALLY, dude, but then at what point have they shown any respect for our damend laws?

IF you dont think that Brown's motor voter law and the issuing of DL to illegals wasnt all about letting them vote illegally then you are fucking stupid as shit or just a liar.

but thier babies born here are little brown Americans, like it not.

Now you are a fucking racist too. Not all illegal alien babies born here are brown, dude.

Illegals don't vote and thier license says it's not valid for voting. Look it up.

But there's the rub. Unless we require photo identification at the polls, how can you tell otherwise. And since they are automatically put on the voting rolls when they get a license, they can march their criminal asses in and vote? Unless...you can show me where Governor Sunbeam's declaration has an exception to NOT automatically register recipients of those special drivers' licenses.

 

[Zander]

They are not citizens

Read the language - "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside". "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means "not owing allegiance to anybody else". By itself, birth within the territorial limits of the United States does not make one automatically "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States.

If the Russian ambassador to the US is a woman, and she has a baby here in the US, is that baby a US Citizen? Of course not. They are not "subject to the jurisdiction of the USA". Neither are illegal aliens.

The Fourteenth Amendment was necessary to overturn Dred Scott and to settle the question of the citizenship of the newly freed slaves.It does not infer citizenship on anchor babies.

Trump will fix this permanently. No more anchor babies.

A Russian Ambassador cannot be arrested- that is why he is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

An illegal alien can be arrested- and is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

The language of the 14th Amendment is very clear- those born here are born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States- unless their parents are diplomats.

And do you think Trump is running for President? Or Emperor?

Because President's don't get to change the 14th Amendment- Emperor Trump of course could.

You're wrong, of course. The original intent of "jurisdiction" was not about "geography", but allegiance. Every person present in the United States is not presumed to have fealty to the United States, which is what “jurisdiction” means in the Fourteenth Amendment.

No- you are wrong- Trump is running for President- not Emperor- and President's don't get to ignore the Constitution.

If Congress wanted to use the word 'allegiance' or 'fealty' then they could have used those words- but they specifically used the word 'jurisdiction' which as the courts have noted repeatedly is very clear in what that means

In footnote 10 (dicta?) of Plyler the Court addresses the “subject to the jurisdiction” phrase of the Citizenship Clause by citing Justice Gray in United States v. Wong Kim Ark who noted it was:


impossible to construe the words “subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” in the opening sentence [of the Fourteenth Amendment], as less comprehensive than the words “within its jurisdiction,” in the concluding sentence of the same section; or to hold that persons “within the jurisdiction” of one of the States of the Union are not “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.”


Justice Gray concluded that:


[e]very citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States.

Original Intent is what matters, the 14th amendment was about SLAVES. It did not grant citizenship to Indians. It does not grant citizenship to the children born of foreign nationals while within our borders.

When Trump is elected he will have a pen, and a phone. He will write an executive order.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Illegals don't vote, dumbass, ...

They dont vote LEGALLY, dude, but then at what point have they shown any respect for our damend laws?

IF you dont think that Brown's motor voter law and the issuing of DL to illegals wasnt all about letting them vote illegally then you are fucking stupid as shit or just a liar.

but thier babies born here are little brown Americans, like it not.

Now you are a fucking racist too. Not all illegal alien babies born here are brown, dude.

Illegals don't vote and thier license says it's not valid for voting. Look it up.

But there's the rub. Unless we require photo identification at the polls, how can you tell otherwise. And since they are automatically put on the voting rolls when they get a license, they can march their criminal asses in and vote? Unless...you can show me where Governor Sunbeam's declaration has an exception to NOT automatically register recipients of those special drivers' licenses.

The information they automatically send over includes a statement that you are eligible, or not, to vote here. Since most know they are not there will be no more issues than before of people who must be thrown off the voter rolls, something that is already done.

(K) A notation that the applicant has attested that he or she meets all voter eligibility requirements, including United States citizenship, specified in Section 2101.
Bill Text - AB-1461 Voter registration: California New Motor Voter Program.

And I have no problem with voter photo ID, as long as everyone is issued one, at state expense, before it is asked for.

Here's how California's new voter registration law will work

 

[PaintMyHouse]

They are not citizens

Read the language - "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside". "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means "not owing allegiance to anybody else". By itself, birth within the territorial limits of the United States does not make one automatically "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States.

If the Russian ambassador to the US is a woman, and she has a baby here in the US, is that baby a US Citizen? Of course not. They are not "subject to the jurisdiction of the USA". Neither are illegal aliens.

The Fourteenth Amendment was necessary to overturn Dred Scott and to settle the question of the citizenship of the newly freed slaves.It does not infer citizenship on anchor babies.

Trump will fix this permanently. No more anchor babies.

A Russian Ambassador cannot be arrested- that is why he is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

An illegal alien can be arrested- and is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

The language of the 14th Amendment is very clear- those born here are born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States- unless their parents are diplomats.

And do you think Trump is running for President? Or Emperor?

Because President's don't get to change the 14th Amendment- Emperor Trump of course could.

You're wrong, of course. The original intent of "jurisdiction" was not about "geography", but allegiance. Every person present in the United States is not presumed to have fealty to the United States, which is what “jurisdiction” means in the Fourteenth Amendment.

No- you are wrong- Trump is running for President- not Emperor- and President's don't get to ignore the Constitution.

If Congress wanted to use the word 'allegiance' or 'fealty' then they could have used those words- but they specifically used the word 'jurisdiction' which as the courts have noted repeatedly is very clear in what that means

In footnote 10 (dicta?) of Plyler the Court addresses the “subject to the jurisdiction” phrase of the Citizenship Clause by citing Justice Gray in United States v. Wong Kim Ark who noted it was:


impossible to construe the words “subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” in the opening sentence [of the Fourteenth Amendment], as less comprehensive than the words “within its jurisdiction,” in the concluding sentence of the same section; or to hold that persons “within the jurisdiction” of one of the States of the Union are not “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.”


Justice Gray concluded that:


[e]very citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States.

Original Intent is what matters, the 14th amendment was about SLAVES. It did not grant citizenship to Indians. It does not grant citizenship to the children born of foreign nationals while within our borders.

When Trump is elected he will have a pen, and a phone. He will write an executive order.

The POTUS cannot change the the 14th, and a hundred years of SC decisions. You will need to amend the Constitution, like so:

"...the Congress has determined and hereby declares that any person born after the date of enactment of this title to a mother who is neither a citizen of the United States nor admitted to the United States as a lawful permanent resident, and which person is a national or citizen of another country of which either of his or her natural parents is a national or citizen, or is entitled upon application to become a national or citizen of such country, shall be considered as born subject to the jurisdiction of that foreign country and not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States within the meaning of section 1 of such Article and shall therefore not be a citizen of the United States or of any State solely by reason of physical presence within the United States at the moment of birth.”

 

[JimBowie1958]

Illegals don't vote, dumbass, ...

They dont vote LEGALLY, dude, but then at what point have they shown any respect for our damend laws?

IF you dont think that Brown's motor voter law and the issuing of DL to illegals wasnt all about letting them vote illegally then you are fucking stupid as shit or just a liar.

but thier babies born here are little brown Americans, like it not.

Now you are a fucking racist too. Not all illegal alien babies born here are brown, dude.

Illegals don't vote and thier license says it's not valid for voting. Look it up.

But there's the rub. Unless we require photo identification at the polls, how can you tell otherwise. And since they are automatically put on the voting rolls when they get a license, they can march their criminal asses in and vote? Unless...you can show me where Governor Sunbeam's declaration has an exception to NOT automatically register recipients of those special drivers' licenses.

The information they automatically send over includes a statement that you are eligible, or not, to vote here. Since most know they are not there will be no more issues than before of people who must be thrown off the voter rolls, something that is already done.

(K) A notation that the applicant has attested that he or she meets all voter eligibility requirements, including United States citizenship, specified in Section 2101.
Bill Text - AB-1461 Voter registration: California New Motor Voter Program.

And I have no problem with voter photo ID, as long as everyone is issued one, at state expense, before it is asked for.

Here's how California's new voter registration law will work

But how does opposition poll watchers pick up on voter fraud where the illegal is put on the voter registry anyway?

Why would anyone pretend that a state that treats illegals as legal is unlikely to also not look the other way if partisan officials let slip a few thousand illegal registrations just to 'sweeten the pie'?

The Democratic Party, has a long history of engaging in voter fraud that is way beyond what any GOP has systematically been involved in.

 

[anotherlife]

I thought, that by federal law, anyone who is not a citizen, commits an instantly deportable offence when registering for any kind of elections. Also, that there is no statue of limitation on this technicality.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The POTUS cannot change the the 14th, and a hundred years of SC decisions. You will need to amend the Constitution, like so:

"...the Congress has determined and hereby declares that any person born after the date of enactment of this title to a mother who is neither a citizen of the United States nor admitted to the United States as a lawful permanent resident, and which person is a national or citizen of another country of which either of his or her natural parents is a national or citizen, or is entitled upon application to become a national or citizen of such country, shall be considered as born subject to the jurisdiction of that foreign country and not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States within the meaning of section 1 of such Article and shall therefore not be a citizen of the United States or of any State solely by reason of physical presence within the United States at the moment of birth.”

Complete horse shit.

Illegals are being given citizenship to the anchor brats because of the individual states having the right to give citizenship to whoever they want (as long as they at minimum meet the requirements of Wong Kim Ark) and so they give citizenship to the babies born of legal immigrants.

All anyone has to do, so far as SCOTUS has yet ruled, to stop giving citizenship to the anchor brats of illegals is to change the damned laws.

Poof, that's it, no amendment required.

Of course the Dems will challenge it and hopefully it will get a straight shot to SCOTUS and they make a ruling up or down and if they strike it down and give citizenship to those who sneak into a country, then we do the Article V States Constitutional Amendment convention.

Then a whole bunch of problems get solved PERMANENTLY.

And I cant wait to her the libtards whining about it all, lol.

 

[Syriusly]

They are not citizens

Read the language - "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside". "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means "not owing allegiance to anybody else". By itself, birth within the territorial limits of the United States does not make one automatically "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States.

If the Russian ambassador to the US is a woman, and she has a baby here in the US, is that baby a US Citizen? Of course not. They are not "subject to the jurisdiction of the USA". Neither are illegal aliens.

The Fourteenth Amendment was necessary to overturn Dred Scott and to settle the question of the citizenship of the newly freed slaves.It does not infer citizenship on anchor babies.

Trump will fix this permanently. No more anchor babies.

A Russian Ambassador cannot be arrested- that is why he is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

An illegal alien can be arrested- and is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

The language of the 14th Amendment is very clear- those born here are born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States- unless their parents are diplomats.

And do you think Trump is running for President? Or Emperor?

Because President's don't get to change the 14th Amendment- Emperor Trump of course could.

You're wrong, of course. The original intent of "jurisdiction" was not about "geography", but allegiance. Every person present in the United States is not presumed to have fealty to the United States, which is what “jurisdiction” means in the Fourteenth Amendment.

No- you are wrong- Trump is running for President- not Emperor- and President's don't get to ignore the Constitution.

If Congress wanted to use the word 'allegiance' or 'fealty' then they could have used those words- but they specifically used the word 'jurisdiction' which as the courts have noted repeatedly is very clear in what that means

In footnote 10 (dicta?) of Plyler the Court addresses the “subject to the jurisdiction” phrase of the Citizenship Clause by citing Justice Gray in United States v. Wong Kim Ark who noted it was:


impossible to construe the words “subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” in the opening sentence [of the Fourteenth Amendment], as less comprehensive than the words “within its jurisdiction,” in the concluding sentence of the same section; or to hold that persons “within the jurisdiction” of one of the States of the Union are not “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.”


Justice Gray concluded that:


[e]very citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States.

Original Intent is what matters, the 14th amendment was about SLAVES. It did not grant citizenship to Indians. It does not grant citizenship to the children born of foreign nationals while within our borders.

When Trump is elected he will have a pen, and a phone. He will write an executive order.

What else will Emperor Trump ignore the Constitution about?

 

[JimBowie1958]

Well since everyone born in the United States- born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States is at birth- a citizen- it has everything to do with birthright citizenship, foul mouthed Jimmie.

Bullshit, you lying fuck. Location within the jurisdiction at birth is only one of several conditions that Wong Kim Ark gives.

Another is that the parents cannot be diplomatic staff of a foreign government or its ambassador. Another is that the parents be here legally and with the permission of the US government.

You are just so fucking stupid, you cant help yourself, can you?

Ah wee Jimmie- you do get more foul mouthed as you realize your house of cards is being knocked down.

Wong Kim Ark requires no 'conditions'- Wong Kim Ark interprets the Constitution.

And Wong Kim Ark spells out jurisdiction specifically wee Jimmie

Justice Gray in United States v. Wong Kim Ark who noted it was:

impossible to construe the words “subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” in the opening sentence [of the Fourteenth Amendment], as less comprehensive than the words “within its jurisdiction,” in the concluding sentence of the same section; or to hold that persons “within the jurisdiction” of one of the States of the Union are not “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.”

Justice Gray concluded that:

[e]very citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States.

Wong Kim Ark points you lie about by omission:
In section VI
"Chinese persons, born out of the United States, remaining subjects of the emperor of China, and not having become citizens of the United States, are entitled to the protection of and owe allegiance to the United States, so long as they are permitted by the United States to reside here;....

"The evident intention, and the necessary effect, of the submission of this case to the decision of the court upon the facts agreed by the parties, were to present for determination the single question, stated at the beginning of this opinion, namely, whether a child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the emperor of China, but have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States."

Legal domicile includes the permission of the US government.
See more at: FindLaw's United States Supreme Court case and opinions.

 

[JimBowie1958]

What else will Emperor Trump ignore the Constitution about?

Far less than Obamy has.