Illegal Aliens Lose Battle In Birth Certificatr Lawsuit Against Texas

[Syriusly]

In the end texas will have to issue the certificates. As citizens those children need them

But the court ruled them NOT citizens and they are NOT. Law says "under the jurisdiction of the United States". .

The court did no such thing- you are just incredibly stupid.

 

[AmericanFirst1]

Conservative ignorance of the law is exceeded only by their hate and stupidity.

Denying an injunction does not mean the plaintiffs have 'lost' anything.

The order is procedural, having nothing to do with the merits of the families' case, where the order is based on the type of documents provided, not the fact that the children are indeed US citizens:

“In his ruling denying an emergency order sought by families, Judge Robert L. Pitman of the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Texas in San Antonio said Texas officials can refuse to accept matricula consularcards, issued by Mexican consulates, as a form of identification to obtain birth certificates for U.S.-born children.”

Judge: Texas can deny birth certificates for U.S.-born children of some immigrants

The judge is also aware of the fact that Texas is likely acting in bad faith, where the state's concern is not with the 'integrity' of their issuing process, but an unwarranted hostility toward immigrants and their US citizen children:

'Although Pitman noted the families’ attorneys had “provided evidence which raises grave concerns regarding the treatment of citizen children born to immigrant parents,” he said the court needed more evidence before issuing the emergency injunction they had sought.' ibid

Once acceptable documentation is provided, or the state's requirement is invalidated by the courts, the US citizen children will be issued their birth certificates.

Go suck an egg America hating bitch.

 

[Syriusly]

If the mother is here illegally then the kid is not subject to the political jurisdiction of america and the kid gets her nationality. As per the 14th amendment. Go tex.

So the mother can rob banks and can't be arrested?

Amazing how you think that no illegal aliens can be arrested in the United States.

 

[Syriusly]

[
No one is trying to keep "brown" people out. .

Lots of people are trying to keep out the brownies and that's great. After all , liberals would love to kick all white people out of america.

Why would I- a liberal- want to kick myself out of the United States?

Poor little racist- can't even make a rational argument.

 

[whitehall]

An injunction filed by criminals who are illegally in the Country? It's like a burglar filing papers to keep all the stuff he stole out of your house. The fact that the injunction even reached the desk of a federal judge is an indication that the world is upside down in the liberal mind.

 

[Syriusly]

Anything to try and keep the little brown Americans out, only it won't work for long of course.

You do know they are not "Americans" until they have followed the rules to become naturalized, don't you?

They are Americans if they are born here, almost without exception.

Your "little brown americans" have to wait to their majority to cast a vote. Their parents are criminals. The should not be permitted to cast a vote in this country, any more than I would be permitted to cast a vote in their countries of origin. Seriously, why are you and others like you so intently interested in allowing illegal aliens a vote?

I don't want illegal aliens to vote- I don't know anyone who does.

The children born here are Americans- and like all Americans- they can't vote until they are 18. Their parents are not Americans- and can't vote.

Not complicated.

 

[Syriusly]

Conservative ignorance of the law is exceeded only by their hate and stupidity.

Denying an injunction does not mean the plaintiffs have 'lost' anything.

The order is procedural, having nothing to do with the merits of the families' case, where the order is based on the type of documents provided, not the fact that the children are indeed US citizens:

“In his ruling denying an emergency order sought by families, Judge Robert L. Pitman of the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Texas in San Antonio said Texas officials can refuse to accept matricula consularcards, issued by Mexican consulates, as a form of identification to obtain birth certificates for U.S.-born children.”

Judge: Texas can deny birth certificates for U.S.-born children of some immigrants

The judge is also aware of the fact that Texas is likely acting in bad faith, where the state's concern is not with the 'integrity' of their issuing process, but an unwarranted hostility toward immigrants and their US citizen children:

'Although Pitman noted the families’ attorneys had “provided evidence which raises grave concerns regarding the treatment of citizen children born to immigrant parents,” he said the court needed more evidence before issuing the emergency injunction they had sought.' ibid

Once acceptable documentation is provided, or the state's requirement is invalidated by the courts, the US citizen children will be issued their birth certificates.

Go suck an egg America hating bitch.

And such is the state of Conservative thinking.

 

[Syriusly]

DARKFURY SAID:

"But the court ruled them NOT citizens and they are NOT"

Wrong.

The court made no such 'ruling'; in fact, the children are US citizens, a fact that is not in dispute.

The dispute concerns whether the parents of US citizen children have submitted the appropriate documentation to obtain the birth certificates:

“Hundreds of immigrant parents along the southern Texas border have been denied birth certificates for U.S.-born children since 2013, immigrant advocates say, as state authorities have made it more difficult to use alternative identification documents from parents who have no access to U.S.-issued papers.”

Immigrants sue Texas over state's denial of birth certificates for U.S.-born children

Again, the citizenship of the children is not at issue.

The law REQUIRES that LEGAL citizens file the paperwork.
And until they do those children are NOT citizens. Their birth is not even recognized.

Still citizens- paperwork or not.

We are all citizens the moment we are born in the United States- regardless of the paperwork.

Not having the paperwork just complicates the lives of those Americans.

 

[Syriusly]

They are not citizens

Read the language - "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside". "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means "not owing allegiance to anybody else". By itself, birth within the territorial limits of the United States does not make one automatically "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States.

If the Russian ambassador to the US is a woman, and she has a baby here in the US, is that baby a US Citizen? Of course not. They are not "subject to the jurisdiction of the USA". Neither are illegal aliens.

The Fourteenth Amendment was necessary to overturn Dred Scott and to settle the question of the citizenship of the newly freed slaves.It does not infer citizenship on anchor babies.

Trump will fix this permanently. No more anchor babies.

A Russian Ambassador cannot be arrested- that is why he is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

An illegal alien can be arrested- and is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

The language of the 14th Amendment is very clear- those born here are born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States- unless their parents are diplomats.

And do you think Trump is running for President? Or Emperor?

Because President's don't get to change the 14th Amendment- Emperor Trump of course could.

 

[DarkFury]

If the mother is here illegally then the kid is not subject to the political jurisdiction of america and the kid gets her nationality. As per the 14th amendment. Go tex.

So the mother can rob banks and can't be arrested?

Amazing how you think that no illegal aliens can be arrested in the United States.

BECAUSE oh great dumbass there is a difference between LEGAL jurisdiction AND SOVEREIGN jurisdiction.

sov·er·eign
ˈsäv(ə)rən/
noun

1. 1.
   a supreme ruler, especially a monarch.
   synonyms: ruler, monarch, crowned head, head of state, potentate, suzerain,overlord, dynast, leader;

 

[DarkFury]

DARKFURY SAID:

"But the court ruled them NOT citizens and they are NOT"

Wrong.

The court made no such 'ruling'; in fact, the children are US citizens, a fact that is not in dispute.

The dispute concerns whether the parents of US citizen children have submitted the appropriate documentation to obtain the birth certificates:

“Hundreds of immigrant parents along the southern Texas border have been denied birth certificates for U.S.-born children since 2013, immigrant advocates say, as state authorities have made it more difficult to use alternative identification documents from parents who have no access to U.S.-issued papers.”

Immigrants sue Texas over state's denial of birth certificates for U.S.-born children

Again, the citizenship of the children is not at issue.

The law REQUIRES that LEGAL citizens file the paperwork.
And until they do those children are NOT citizens. Their birth is not even recognized.

Still citizens- paperwork or not.

We are all citizens the moment we are born in the United States- regardless of the paperwork.

Not having the paperwork just complicates the lives of those Americans.

Damn in VERY next comment YOU destroy your own argument! In this one YOU state "We are ALL citizens" then the very next comment comes this little jewel "The language of the 14th Amendment is very clear- those born here are born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States- unless their parents are diplomats."

So were you LYING then OR are you lying now? Take your time.

 

[Syriusly]

They are Americans if they are born here, almost without exception.

Nope. The 14th amendment says they have to be subject to the political jurisdiction of the US and if the mother is mex, then so is the kid and his political jurisdiction is with mexico. THINK

Doesn't say 'political jurisdiction'- just jurisdiction.

If you can be arrested in the United States- you are subject to jurisdiction.

And it is still fucking hilarious every time you post "THINK"..........its almost like you don't know what the word actually means.

 

[DarkFury]

Illegals don't vote, dumbass, but thier babies born here are little brown Americans, like it not.

You mean the law says illegals can't vote. But obozo lets them vote just like he lets them live and work here even thought the law says they can't do either. 5 million illegals voted for Big O in 2012.

Look at the silly racist just make crap up.

Ah where is the racist part idiot? Point that out please.

 

[Syriusly]

[yes they are, and yes it is.

No they are not, no they are not, no they are not and you are a fucking retard.

Why do you think their births and citizenship are unrecognized?

Because the ONLY SCOTUS decision that touches on the birth right citizenship of foreign aliens babies is the Wong Kim Ark decision and the SCOTUS only ruled that people here legally have birthright citizenship.

Most legal scholars worth a damn realize that SCOTUS has not yet ruled on the birthright citizenship of the babies of those here ILLEGALLY. In most cases they get citizenship from local stte law or whatever and all, but it is NOT a Constitutional REQUIREMENT that they do so.

Plyler v. Doe

Plyler v. Doe- we have had this discussion before- and you like to ignore that decision.

Instead, use of the phrase "within its jurisdiction" confirms the understanding that the Fourteenth Amendment's protection extends to anyone, citizen or stranger, who is subject to the laws of a State, and reaches into every corner of a State's territory. Pp. 210-216.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Doesn't say 'political jurisdiction'- just jurisdiction.

If you can be arrested in the United States- you are subject to jurisdiction.

You are such a damned liar. The judge and the Texas AG and staff are NOT just stupid buffoons, jerk off. They know the facts and Wong Kim Ark specifies that legal residence is a qualifier for getting birthright citizenship in severla different paragraphs, but you jack asses simply dismiss it as irrelevant, lol

 

[Syriusly]

Citizenship does not rely on physical possession of a birth certificate

IT is not a legal requirement to have it, but if you have it, you are practically guaranteed citizenship.

A citizen born a citizen is a citizen from the moment of birth- regardless of paperwork.

A Birth certificate is merely used to establish a persons existing citizenship- it doesn't make a person a citizen.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Says- Jimmie the liar.

When you argue that jurisdiction is the sole question on the question of birthright citizenship it is you that are the certified liar, bitch.

 

[Syriusly]

Doesn't say 'political jurisdiction'- just jurisdiction.

If you can be arrested in the United States- you are subject to jurisdiction.

You are such a damned liar. The judge and the Texas AG and staff are just stupid buffoons, jerk off. They know the facts and Wong Kim Ark specifies that legal residence is a qualifier for getting birthright citizenship in severla different paragraphs, but you jack asses simply dismiss it as irrelevant, lol

Feel free once again to prove anything I have said is a 'lie'

Texas ignores the law when it is convenient to them- as you ignore Plyler v. Doe.

 

[Syriusly]

Says- Jimmie the liar.

When you argue that jurisdiction is the sole question on the question of birthright citizenship it is you that are the certified liar, bitch.

Poor Jimmie gets more and more foul mouthed the more worked up he gets- probably he is foaming at the mouth right now.

 

[JimBowie1958]

A citizen born a citizen is a citizen from the moment of birth- regardless of paperwork.

ROFLMAO, you use a self defined truism as though it were some kind of argument.

You are a fucking idiot.

A Birth certificate is merely used to establish a persons existing citizenship- it doesn't make a person a citizen.

That is not what I claimed, jack ass.