Illegal Aliens Lose Battle In Birth Certificatr Lawsuit Against Texas

[ogibillm]

No serious person believes the 14th amendment does not guarantee birthright citizenship

If you really think that then you are a fool.

Show me a real legal scholar that believes that crap

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Illegals don't vote, dumbass, ...

They dont vote LEGALLY, dude, but then at what point have they shown any respect for our damend laws?

IF you dont think that Brown's motor voter law and the issuing of DL to illegals wasnt all about letting them vote illegally then you are fucking stupid as shit or just a liar.

but thier babies born here are little brown Americans, like it not.

Now you are a fucking racist too. Not all illegal alien babies born here are brown, dude.

Illegals don't vote and thier license says it's not valid for voting. Look it up.

 

[ogibillm]

[yes they are, and yes it is.

No they are not, no they are not, no they are not and you are a fucking retard.

Why do you think their births and citizenship are unrecognized?

 

[DarkFury]

DARKFURY SAID:

"But the court ruled them NOT citizens and they are NOT"

Wrong.

The court made no such 'ruling'; in fact, the children are US citizens, a fact that is not in dispute.

The dispute concerns whether the parents of US citizen children have submitted the appropriate documentation to obtain the birth certificates:

“Hundreds of immigrant parents along the southern Texas border have been denied birth certificates for U.S.-born children since 2013, immigrant advocates say, as state authorities have made it more difficult to use alternative identification documents from parents who have no access to U.S.-issued papers.”

Immigrants sue Texas over state's denial of birth certificates for U.S.-born children

Again, the citizenship of the children is not at issue.

The law REQUIRES that LEGAL citizens file the paperwork.

no it doesn't.

And until they do those children are NOT citizens. Their birth is not even recognized.

yes they are, and yes it is.

From YOUR link..
"But when the stay-at-home mother arrived at the downtown vital statistics office Thursday, she discovered the rules had changed. Without a U.S. driver's license, visa or Mexican electoral card, she could not obtain a birth certificate for her child."

And then this...
"Ramirez, 28, a native of neighboring Reynosa, Mexico, crossed the border illegally and has lived in the Rio Grande Valley for years."

The mother is NOT here LEGAL and therefore CANNOT show the LEGAL paperwork REQUIRED to get the birth cert.
No Papers No citizen, easy as that.

 

[DarkFury]

[yes they are, and yes it is.

No they are not, no they are not, no they are not and you are a fucking retard.

Why do you think their births and citizenship are unrecognized?

Because they are NOT citizens thus NOT entitled to be recognized.

 

[JimBowie1958]

No serious person believes the 14th amendment does not guarantee birthright citizenship

If you really think that then you are a fool.

Show me a real legal scholar that believes that crap

Trump has already hired a bunch, the Texas AG has some, and the fucking Fed just-us says they have no right to claim they are losing legit rights so he refused to stay the state.

God damn, is it libtard mouth spasm night, or what?

 

[Zander]

They are not citizens

Read the language - "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside". "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means "not owing allegiance to anybody else". By itself, birth within the territorial limits of the United States does not make one automatically "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States.

If the Russian ambassador to the US is a woman, and she has a baby here in the US, is that baby a US Citizen? Of course not. They are not "subject to the jurisdiction of the USA". Neither are illegal aliens.

The Fourteenth Amendment was necessary to overturn Dred Scott and to settle the question of the citizenship of the newly freed slaves.It does not infer citizenship on anchor babies.

Trump will fix this permanently. No more anchor babies.

No serious person believes the 14th amendment does not guarantee birthright citizenship

Translation= I cannot refute your logic.

 

[JimBowie1958]

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From YOUR link..
"But when the stay-at-home mother arrived at the downtown vital statistics office Thursday, she discovered the rules had changed. Without a U.S. driver's license, visa or Mexican electoral card, she could not obtain a birth certificate for her child."

And then this...
"Ramirez, 28, a native of neighboring Reynosa, Mexico, crossed the border illegally and has lived in the Rio Grande Valley for years."

The mother is NOT here LEGAL and therefore CANNOT show the LEGAL paperwork REQUIRED to get the birth cert.
No Papers No citizen, easy as that.

These fucking libtards are just running their mouths, hoping that if they talk the subject enough everyon e will just assume they are telling the Truth. But that is a mistake in regard to any libtard as they lie just for the hell of it.

 

[JimBowie1958]

[yes they are, and yes it is.

No they are not, no they are not, no they are not and you are a fucking retard.

Why do you think their births and citizenship are unrecognized?

Because the ONLY SCOTUS decision that touches on the birth right citizenship of foreign aliens babies is the Wong Kim Ark decision and the SCOTUS only ruled that people here legally have birthright citizenship.

Most legal scholars worth a damn realize that SCOTUS has not yet ruled on the birthright citizenship of the babies of those here ILLEGALLY. In most cases they get citizenship from local stte law or whatever and all, but it is NOT a Constitutional REQUIREMENT that they do so.

 

[ogibillm]

DARKFURY SAID:

"But the court ruled them NOT citizens and they are NOT"

Wrong.

The court made no such 'ruling'; in fact, the children are US citizens, a fact that is not in dispute.

The dispute concerns whether the parents of US citizen children have submitted the appropriate documentation to obtain the birth certificates:

“Hundreds of immigrant parents along the southern Texas border have been denied birth certificates for U.S.-born children since 2013, immigrant advocates say, as state authorities have made it more difficult to use alternative identification documents from parents who have no access to U.S.-issued papers.”

Immigrants sue Texas over state's denial of birth certificates for U.S.-born children

Again, the citizenship of the children is not at issue.

The law REQUIRES that LEGAL citizens file the paperwork.

no it doesn't.

And until they do those children are NOT citizens. Their birth is not even recognized.

yes they are, and yes it is.

From YOUR link..
"But when the stay-at-home mother arrived at the downtown vital statistics office Thursday, she discovered the rules had changed. Without a U.S. driver's license, visa or Mexican electoral card, she could not obtain a birth certificate for her child."

And then this...
"Ramirez, 28, a native of neighboring Reynosa, Mexico, crossed the border illegally and has lived in the Rio Grande Valley for years."

The mother is NOT here LEGAL and therefore CANNOT show the LEGAL paperwork REQUIRED to get the birth cert.
No Papers No citizen, easy as that.

Citizenship does not rely on physical possession of a birth certificate

 

[JimBowie1958]

Citizenship does not rely on physical possession of a birth certificate

IT is not a legal requirement to have it, but if you have it, you are practically guaranteed citizenship.

 

[Zander]

There is no "birthright" citizenship. The "Original intent" of the 14th amendment was to make slaves and their children citizens. Not illegal aliens.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

There is no "birthright" citizenship. The "Original intent" of the 14th amendment was to make slaves and their children citizens. Not illegal aliens.

Well they had the chance to say that, and didn't eh? A shame for you.

 

[DarkFury]

DARKFURY SAID:

"But the court ruled them NOT citizens and they are NOT"

Wrong.

The court made no such 'ruling'; in fact, the children are US citizens, a fact that is not in dispute.

The dispute concerns whether the parents of US citizen children have submitted the appropriate documentation to obtain the birth certificates:

“Hundreds of immigrant parents along the southern Texas border have been denied birth certificates for U.S.-born children since 2013, immigrant advocates say, as state authorities have made it more difficult to use alternative identification documents from parents who have no access to U.S.-issued papers.”

Immigrants sue Texas over state's denial of birth certificates for U.S.-born children

Again, the citizenship of the children is not at issue.

The law REQUIRES that LEGAL citizens file the paperwork.

no it doesn't.

And until they do those children are NOT citizens. Their birth is not even recognized.

yes they are, and yes it is.

From YOUR link..
"But when the stay-at-home mother arrived at the downtown vital statistics office Thursday, she discovered the rules had changed. Without a U.S. driver's license, visa or Mexican electoral card, she could not obtain a birth certificate for her child."

And then this...
"Ramirez, 28, a native of neighboring Reynosa, Mexico, crossed the border illegally and has lived in the Rio Grande Valley for years."

The mother is NOT here LEGAL and therefore CANNOT show the LEGAL paperwork REQUIRED to get the birth cert.
No Papers No citizen, easy as that.

Citizenship does not rely on physical possession of a birth certificate

Depends on the country. What do you think a passport is idiot?
PROOF of citizenship! TRY getting INTO Mexico without one OR going to school. IDIOT.

 

[JimBowie1958]

There is no "birthright" citizenship. The "Original intent" of the 14th amendment was to make slaves and their children citizens. Not illegal aliens.

Agreed, but case law has greatly expanded to a scope that the writers never would have agreed to.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Well they had the chance to say that, and didn't eh? A shame for you.

They DID say that, Einstein, in the various documented discussion and debates on the amendment, dude.

 

[DarkFury]

What documents, identification, and paperwork does a U.S. citizen need to travel internationally?



If you are traveling in the Western Hemisphere (Canada, Mexico, Caribbean, Central and South America):

Air Travel: All U.S. citizens departing from or entering the United States from within the Western Hemisphere by air are required to present a valid passport or NEXUS card (if utilizing a NEXUS kiosk when departing from a designated Canadian airport). Merchant Mariner Document (for U.S. citizens on official maritime business.) U.S. Military identification card when traveling on official orders; Note that children are also required to present their own passport when traveling by air.

Land or Sea Travel: U.S. citizens entering the United States by land or sea are required to present a valid WHTI-compliant document, which include:

• U.S. Passports
• U.S. Passport Cards
• Enhanced Driver's Licenses
• Trusted Traveler Cards (Global Entry*, NEXUS, SENTRI, or FAST)
• Military Identification Cards (for members of the U.S. armed forces on official orders)
• U.S. Merchant Mariner Document (for U.S. citizens on official maritime business)

*The Global Entry (GE) card is only an ENTRY document and may not be used to enter Canada, Mexico or Adjacent Island.

Military personnel traveling under orders may present photo ID and orders. Family members must present a passport (with the exception of children 15 and younger arriving by land or sea.)

Children: U.S. citizen children ages 15 and under arriving by land or sea from a contiguous territory may present an original or copy of his or her birth certificate (issued by the Vital Records Department in the state where he or she was born), a Consular Report of Birth Abroad, or a Naturalization Certificate. If the child is a newborn and the actual birth certificate has not arrived from the Vital Records Department, we will accept a Hospital issued birth certificate.

Groups of Children: U.S. citizen children between the ages of 16-18 arriving by land or sea from contiguous territory and traveling with an adult supervised school group, religious group, social or cultural organization, or sports team, may also present an original or copy of his or her birth certificate, a Consular Report of Birth Abroad, or a Naturalization Certificate.

US Citizens - Documents needed for entry into the U.S..

And Mexico put your dumb ass in JAIL without your papers!

 

[JimBowie1958]

What documents, identification, and paperwork does a U.S. citizen need to travel internationally?



If you are traveling in the Western Hemisphere (Canada, Mexico, Caribbean, Central and South America):

Air Travel: All U.S. citizens departing from or entering the United States from within the Western Hemisphere by air are required to present a valid passport or NEXUS card (if utilizing a NEXUS kiosk when departing from a designated Canadian airport). Merchant Mariner Document (for U.S. citizens on official maritime business.) U.S. Military identification card when traveling on official orders; Note that children are also required to present their own passport when traveling by air.

Land or Sea Travel: U.S. citizens entering the United States by land or sea are required to present a valid WHTI-compliant document, which include:

• U.S. Passports
• U.S. Passport Cards
• Enhanced Driver's Licenses
• Trusted Traveler Cards (Global Entry*, NEXUS, SENTRI, or FAST)
• Military Identification Cards (for members of the U.S. armed forces on official orders)
• U.S. Merchant Mariner Document (for U.S. citizens on official maritime business)

*The Global Entry (GE) card is only an ENTRY document and may not be used to enter Canada, Mexico or Adjacent Island.

Military personnel traveling under orders may present photo ID and orders. Family members must present a passport (with the exception of children 15 and younger arriving by land or sea.)

Children: U.S. citizen children ages 15 and under arriving by land or sea from a contiguous territory may present an original or copy of his or her birth certificate (issued by the Vital Records Department in the state where he or she was born), a Consular Report of Birth Abroad, or a Naturalization Certificate. If the child is a newborn and the actual birth certificate has not arrived from the Vital Records Department, we will accept a Hospital issued birth certificate.

Groups of Children: U.S. citizen children between the ages of 16-18 arriving by land or sea from contiguous territory and traveling with an adult supervised school group, religious group, social or cultural organization, or sports team, may also present an original or copy of his or her birth certificate, a Consular Report of Birth Abroad, or a Naturalization Certificate.

US Citizens - Documents needed for entry into the U.S..

And Mexico put your dumb ass in JAIL without your papers!

Ummm, you are using facts again, and I am fairly sure that libtards have an immunity to facts.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Well they had the chance to say that, and didn't eh? A shame for you.

They DID say that, Einstein, in the various documented discussion and debates on the amendment, dude.

Read them. The thing you hate was known and discussed. They didn't change the wording even then.

 

[Syriusly]

And since those ILLEGALS can't use their children to stay. It's DEPORTATION time!

You seem to confuse 'birth certificates' with citizenship.

Texas not providing the birth certificates just makes the life of those American citizens more complicated- it doesn't change their citizenship