Illegal Aliens Lose Battle In Birth Certificatr Lawsuit Against Texas

[Zander]

The next Republican POTUS will, like Obama, have a pen, and a phone.

He, as the executive, will "execute" a series of "executive orders". Many which will be Constitutionally dubious, but blessed by a partisan 3rd party authority, making it 100% acceptable.

Surely the liberal shitbirds here at USMB will fully support the use of constitutionally questionable executive orders? Right? Shitbirds? ???

Can't executive order away the 14th amendment

Of course not. But you can reinterpret, citing original intent....are you opposed to executive orders that are controversial?

Citing original intent would just lead right back to birthright citizenship...

No, it would not. The "original intent" granted citizenship to newly freed SLAVES.Not illegal aliens.

So you are opposed to executive orders that circumvent Congress? Seriously?

 

[JimBowie1958]

Eventually the courts will rule against texas.

Then we do an Article 5 States Constitutional Amendment Convention and FIX SCOTUS FOR GOOD!

 

[JimBowie1958]

The next Republican POTUS will, like Obama, have a pen, and a phone.

He, as the executive, will "execute" a series of "executive orders". Many which will be Constitutionally dubious, but blessed by a partisan 3rd party authority, making it 100% acceptable.

Surely the liberal shitbirds here at USMB will fully support the use of constitutionally questionable executive orders? Right? Shitbirds? ???

Can't executive order away the 14th amendment

Of course not. But you can reinterpret, citing original intent....are you opposed to executive orders that are controversial?

Citing original intent would just lead right back to birthright citizenship...

No, it would not.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Can't executive order away the 14th amendment

Dont have to, bubba.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

To my understanding, the original USA, as set up by the Founding Fathers, was not a nation state, but a network of communities.

The FF took states rights for granted and would be appalled at america today. The FF created the federal govt to act as an AGENT for the states, not as master. The states are supposed to be in charge with the feds to the side and a little below the states. That's why the FF

1. said senators will be appointed by the states

2. wrote the 10th amendment

3. created the electoral college so that even federal elections would be at the state level

4. Phrased the supremacy clause the peculiar way they did

5. Decided that only states, not the federal govt, can amend the federal constitution

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

In the end texas will have to issue the certificates. As citizens those children need them

Except ... they're not citizens.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

In the end texas will have to issue the certificates. As citizens those children need them

Except ... they're not citizens.

Oh but they are. Born here means you're an American, nearly without exception.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Oh but they are. Born here means you're an American, nearly without exception.

That is simply not true.

Do you think that the children of a diplomat that are born here are citizens?

If foreign POWs bear children here, are they citizens?

Come on, lets hear it.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Oh but they are. Born here means you're an American, nearly without exception.

That is simply not true.

Do you think that the children of a diplomat that are born here are citizens?

If foreign POWs bear children here, are they citizens?

Come on, lets hear it.

Born here means you're an American, nearly without exception. Got it now, asswipe?

 

[JimBowie1958]

Born here means you're an American, nearly without exception. Got it now, asswipe?

Praise the angels and Blessed saints, PaintMYFuckingHouse finally admits that there are exceptions!

Will wonders ever cease? Will the power of God ever finally stop showing it's Holy and Awesome power?

OK, now stretch your brain just a little more, PaintMYFuckingHouse, and realize that Wong Kim Ark was only applied to aliens that had legal permission to be here and thus far SCOTUS has not specifically ruled that the children of those here illegally have birthright citizenship.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Born here means you're an American, nearly without exception. Got it now, asswipe?

Praise the angels and Blessed saints, PaintMYFuckingHouse finally admits that there are exceptions!

Will wonders ever cease? Will the power of God ever finally stop showing it's Holy and Awesome power?

OK, now stretch your brain just a little more, PaintMYFuckingHouse, and realize that Wong Kim Ark was only applied to aliens that had legal permission to be here and thus far SCOTUS has not specifically ruled that the children of those here illegally have birthright citizenship.

I am aware of the exceptions, and also aware of what you are not, what this is law is based upon and why they knew, even then, when it was written, that just being born here was enough to make you a citizen and there were concerns about that. As for the WKA decision, read the dissent which shows this bothered them and they still fucking lost. Mommy doesn't have to be here legally for you to be a citizen at birth.

 

[JimBowie1958]

[ Mommy doesn't have to be here legally for you to be a citizen at birth.

No exceptions?

roflmao

I think I understand WKA better than you do as it goes into detail regarding the history in England of birthright subjects, not citizens and then extends onward, inaccurately, IMO, because there are many places in culture and law where there are not appropriate comparisons between royal subjects and legally free citizens.

The Crown protected their PROPERTY by declaring anyone born in their realm as their subjects and this has got zippo to do with free citizens of a Republic who are not owned by the government and who are not anyone's damned subject.

And in addition to diplomatic exceptions and other conditions Wong Kim Ark says ONLY that the children of aliens here with the permission of the US government have birthright citizenship, adding yet another condition to the list of implied exceptions tot he 14th amendment.

And it doesn't matter whether SCOTUS sees it this way or not; it is going to end, period, dude, and not an Obamy period, either.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

[ Mommy doesn't have to be here legally for you to be a citizen at birth.

No exceptions?

No one has ever said that, dumbfuck.

And your fantasy of this changing, is just that. You'd have amend the Constitution and it ain't happen'.

And the case in question doesn't say that, not even close. Unlike you I've read the fucking thing.

 

[ogibillm]

In the end texas will have to issue the certificates. As citizens those children need them

Except ... they're not citizens.

Only idiots believe that. No constitutional scholar agrees

 

[ShootSpeeders]

In the end texas will have to issue the certificates. As citizens those children need them

Except ... they're not citizens.

Only idiots believe that. No constitutional scholar agrees

HAHAHA. No constitutional scholar thinks the C mandates citizenship by birth alone. Why did the writers of the 14A include the condition "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof"? Because you have to be born in america to an american mother. The child always inherits the nationality of the mother and if she's mexican, then so is the kid and the kid is subject to the political jurisdiction of mexico.

I hope you understand that "jurisdiction" in this case means political not legal.

 

[ogibillm]

In the end texas will have to issue the certificates. As citizens those children need them

Except ... they're not citizens.

Only idiots believe that. No constitutional scholar agrees

HAHAHA. No constitutional scholar thinks the C mandates citizenship by birth alone.

that's right, we've been doing it wrong for 150 years

Why did the writers of the 14A include the condition "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof"?

Because you have to be born in america to an american mother. The child always inherits the nationality of the mother and if she's mexican, then so is the kid and the kid is subject to the political jurisdiction of mexico.

I hope you understand that "jurisdiction" in this case means political not legal.[/QUOTE]
i hope you realize that it doesn't matter. those born here are in all sense of the word subject to the jurisdiction of the united states.

but let's just ask - can you name one legal scholar that thinks the 14th amendment doesn't guarantee birthright citizenship? any published opinions to back up your claim?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

HAHAHA. No constitutional scholar thinks the C mandates citizenship by birth alone.

that's right, we've been doing it wrong for 150 years[/quote]

IS there something about time, which converts 'wrong' to right?

LOL! If so, pray tell, what would that be?

 

[ogibillm]

that's right, we've been doing it wrong for 150 years

IS there something about time, which converts 'wrong' to right?

LOL! If so, pray tell, what would that be?

Point being that from the time the 14th amendment was adopted birthright citizenship has been guaranteed

 

[ShootSpeeders]

i hope you realize that it doesn't matter. those born here are in all sense of the word subject to the jurisdiction of the united states.

Political jurisdiction NO. The writers of the 14A were not as dumb as you. THINK

 

[ogibillm]

i hope you realize that it doesn't matter. those born here are in all sense of the word subject to the jurisdiction of the united states.

Political jurisdiction NO. The writers of the 14A were not as dumb as you. THINK

yes, they are subject to our political jurisdiction. THINK. we've been granting birthright citizenship from day one. that was the standard at the time of the writing of the 14th amendment.THINK.

nobody takes the claim that children born to illegal aliens aren't citizens seriously, and nobody of consequence takes those making that claim seriously