Illegal Employer Problem

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Republicans like to blame bleeding heart liberals for illegal immigration. But the fact is, if people weren't hiring them, they'd go home. Who's hiring them? Small business owners? Aren't they typically Republicans?

Here are three great articles on the subject:

ThomHartmann.com - Today's Immigration Battle Corporatists vs. Racists (and Labor is Left Behind)

ThomHartmann.com - Illegal Workers: the Con's Secret Weapon


ThomHartmann.com - Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Employers hiring undocumented workers is not an issue for Republicans; most rightwing demagogues would rather lie about ‘Hispanic invaders.’

 

[danielpalos]

only the incompetent, say that.

You're a legend in your own mind. You need some new material. You don't hold a monopoly on understanding.

I cited our California State Constitution a few posts back. You still have nothing but fallacy instead of Any valid arguments.

You've never quoted anything and California doesn't apply to me. If you told a judge that his rulings were fallacy, he'd probably tell you that you were in contempt of court. So, you know what I think about your idiotic bullshit. BTW, you need some new material.

lol. you don't know what you are talking about.

I cited our California State Constitution regarding natural rights. They are available via Due Process not our Second Amendment.

No you didn't. I have some time on my hands. Do you want to retain me at 40 percent of what we can get if you sue your brains for non-support?

it is in post number one hundred. i don't need to make excuses.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

You're a legend in your own mind. You need some new material. You don't hold a monopoly on understanding.

I cited our California State Constitution a few posts back. You still have nothing but fallacy instead of Any valid arguments.

You've never quoted anything and California doesn't apply to me. If you told a judge that his rulings were fallacy, he'd probably tell you that you were in contempt of court. So, you know what I think about your idiotic bullshit. BTW, you need some new material.

lol. you don't know what you are talking about.

I cited our California State Constitution regarding natural rights. They are available via Due Process not our Second Amendment.

No you didn't. I have some time on my hands. Do you want to retain me at 40 percent of what we can get if you sue your brains for non-support?

it is in post number one hundred. i don't need to make excuses.

Yawn

 

[danielpalos]

I cited our California State Constitution a few posts back. You still have nothing but fallacy instead of Any valid arguments.

You've never quoted anything and California doesn't apply to me. If you told a judge that his rulings were fallacy, he'd probably tell you that you were in contempt of court. So, you know what I think about your idiotic bullshit. BTW, you need some new material.

lol. you don't know what you are talking about.

I cited our California State Constitution regarding natural rights. They are available via Due Process not our Second Amendment.

No you didn't. I have some time on my hands. Do you want to retain me at 40 percent of what we can get if you sue your brains for non-support?

it is in post number one hundred. i don't need to make excuses.

Yawn

Natural rights are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process not our Second Amendment. How can you be an attorney and not know this?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

You've never quoted anything and California doesn't apply to me. If you told a judge that his rulings were fallacy, he'd probably tell you that you were in contempt of court. So, you know what I think about your idiotic bullshit. BTW, you need some new material.

lol. you don't know what you are talking about.

I cited our California State Constitution regarding natural rights. They are available via Due Process not our Second Amendment.

No you didn't. I have some time on my hands. Do you want to retain me at 40 percent of what we can get if you sue your brains for non-support?

it is in post number one hundred. i don't need to make excuses.

Yawn

Natural rights are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process not our Second Amendment. How can you be an attorney and not know this?

It's not true. If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong. BTW, I'm semi - retired. This is being offered as a courtesy.

 

[sealybobo]

I'm one of those guys that 20 years ago were called "conservative." I think multidimensional so labels probably won't work for you.

Since I don't do dope and think we're making a BIG mistake, it's hard to fit me into a Libertarian mold. But, if labeling people as a diversion to discussing topics that you fear being wrong about works for you, go for it.

Bruce Jenner doesn't like how Republicans treat gays but that doesn't mean he's not a Republican. You don't like pot? That doesn't mean you aren't a libertarian. Even Ron Paul agrees with you that the income tax is unconstitutional.

Like I said before it doesn't matter if you are a Republican or Libertarian. They're just two different nuts in a mixed bag of nuts.

And you don't get to tell us what you are. We tell you what you are based on your comments. Trust me dude, you're a libertarian.

And like you doubt me, I doubt you make the kind of money you say you make or that you own a business. To me it sounds like you made all that up just to go along with your narrative. Then you tell us an American worker asked you for $500 hr and you hired an illegal for $30 hr? Whatever dude. You sound more like a nut job than a small business owner.

And do you still own the business? You spend way too much time on here to be running a business. I bet your business did go under.

According to the U.S. Small Business Administration, over 50% of small businesses fail in the first year and 95% fail within the first five years.

Dude, I'm in semi-retirement. I think you are hilarious. What country do you live in where self righteous smart asses get to determine what a man is as opposed to the man telling you what he is.

If I come out against drugs and abortion and the Libertarians are cool with that, I might just run as a Libertarian. I'll explain the deal to you:

I got out of the hospital after major surgery. So, I'm in stitches and can't get around. The overflow valve on the water heater goes out and I tell my wife to pick up another one at Home Depot.

I call a plumber that wants $40 to make a "service call." I tell him what's wrong and have the part. He goes to his truck and after 40 minutes he comes back with a "proposal." It was for $240 plus the $40 service charge. I told him that I had already told him I was an ex Seabee. I know what it takes to fix this freaking stuff. I paid him $40 and gave him 40 seconds to be off my property.

I picked up the phone and called the first laborer I had a number for. He came over and changed the overflow out in under 15 minutes. I asked him what I owed him. He said, you think $30 is reasonable?

Now, had Bubba done that job. He would have gotten $280 for a 15 minute job. That puts him at $1,120 an hour. Are there not four 15 minute segments in an hour? Allow for the trip out here and taxes, it works out to about $985 per hour. THAT is why you have undocumented foreigners working jobs, making damn good money and allowing people to be able to live in and keep their homes.

Any person that would allow the Bubbas to take advantage of them are idiots. Poor people; those on fixed incomes; those who are on disability... they cannot afford to pay you a surgeon's wages for a job where the skill set takes six months to learn and their lives aren't at stake. So, those people are traitors for keeping their homes and not leaving it because some redneck with an over sized truck thinks he should be paid as much as a surgeon? You are beyond foolish and anyone that reads your bullshit probably realizes that smokers ARE people with a low IQ.

Right now my business is the ministry. I help people get back on their feet. I help people in poor neighborhoods get repairs done for what they can afford. On my end, I don't make much of anything. I planned for my retirement. But, son, these guys thinking they are going to go into neighborhoods and rip people off to appease folks like you are the real traitors... and so are you for not acknowledging the real problems.

I disagree. I paid an American $200 to detail my car. I know I could have found an illegal to do it cheaper but I was glad to pay an American company an American wage. That's the only way we are going to make America great again. An illegal shouldn't even be an option.

I felt like maybe these guys doing car detailing and landscaping can finally charge a rate that will give them a good standard of living. I don't mind paying a little more. Hell, I paid a lot more.

Remember, I make $90K plus a year and I have no mortgage, no kids going to college and I paid off my college loans in 1995.

The funny thing about hiring illegals is that it's not poor Americans who need to save that are doing it. It's rich guys like you. This is just one reason the rich have gotten richer in the last few decades and the middle class has disappeared or shrunk. I read somewhere that people who employ illegals save billions of dollars every year. That means you are stealing from middle class and poor Americans. It's not right. And you are proving that class warfare does exist. And you clearly don't respect American workers. To you we are lazy and charge too much. Funny, that's what we think about your company.

I have the luxury of working in Manufacturing and in Michigan. A union state where labor still makes a pretty good living. My brother just confirmed with me that the new company he just went to treats their employees like shit. For decades he thought I was making that up. Now that he works for a company that isn't in manufacturing, he is seeing that not all companies treat their employees like they should.

And that Koch company that got caught hiring all those illegals in Mississippi? They pay $12. That's shit. And from the lawsuits I saw they went through, they too treat their employees like shit. You cons and employers love it this way. Where employees are helpless and have to take your shit and your $12 hr shitty job.

Here is the thing I think we should remember. Me and you share a goal Seely, the best interests of the American citizens, individually and America as a whole.


A lot of people, are not motivated by that, for different reasons.


Rockwell, has ideological problems with the idea that American policy should be crafted to serve the interests of Americans.


I've run into that kind of thinking a lot.

Our policies cannot be crafted so as to make Americans choose between keeping their homes or losing them just because some people think a six month skill set is worth the same as the man who spent 8 years to learn his trade.

Those aren’t our only two choices.

 

[danielpalos]

lol. you don't know what you are talking about.

I cited our California State Constitution regarding natural rights. They are available via Due Process not our Second Amendment.

No you didn't. I have some time on my hands. Do you want to retain me at 40 percent of what we can get if you sue your brains for non-support?

it is in post number one hundred. i don't need to make excuses.

Yawn

Natural rights are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process not our Second Amendment. How can you be an attorney and not know this?

It's not true. If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong. BTW, I'm semi - retired. This is being offered as a courtesy.

You obviously don't know how the law works under our form of federalism.

 

[sealybobo]

I work very hard from 8-5pm but in between I come here to relax like some people go outside and smoke.

I'm not lying. I make a $65K base and I'm going to probably sell 2 million this year. I get 1.5% commission. That's $30K in commission. So how much will I make at my real job? Around $95K. Then I have a side business where I make $20K clear money. No taxes on that money.

And I have no kids, no student loans, my car is paid off. I'm fucking loaded.

And my brother and his conservative friends say I have become much more conservative ever since I started making this kind of money. Trust me, I still think Democrats are better for me and people who make less than me. But one thing is for sure. Republican policies won't stop me from retiring at 62. But that's not true for 90% of the people who think they are middle class but not saving enough to retire. If they aren't saving enough to retire at 67 then how can they call themselves middle class?

I love it when cons here doubt a liberal is capable of making good money.

P.S. You are right. I do come here too much. Bye.

Unless you're peddling illegal drugs, you are probably blowing smoke. Living in a fantasy world is a good thing. BTW, the truth be known, the liberals control more of the big money than the Goofy Old Party.

You shouldn't worry. After Trump shows his real liberal true colors and enacts gun control, there won't be any Republican Party to worry about. They only exist because Democrats are socialists and intelligent people realize socialism don't work - unless you are like Donnie the Dictator Trump.

You don't think public schools work? You don't think medicare works?

Why do they have to be illegal drugs? I'm in MI. We just made pot legal. I just don't pay taxes on my profits.

I'm not lying. I started at my company making $40K 5 years ago. I doubled aftermarket sales and after the first year the president only gave me a $10K raise. The next year I tripled sales and the new president bumped me up to $65K plus 1.5% commission. Trust me, I just about shit when he gave that to me too. It was going to be $50K or $60K plus and when I got back to my desk the email said $65K plus 1.5% commission. I thought, "maybe it was a mistake" but before he could take it back I forwarded it to HR and told them I approve and the next paycheck I was making $65K plus. HOLY SHIT! Why is that so hard to believe? Probably because no one in GA makes that kind of money including you.

My brother is like a level 3 VP at a fortune 500 and he makes $800K. Do you not believe that either? Who cares what you believe.

You know who I love? The cons on here who get all bent out of shape because I don't pay taxes on my side gig. Why would I? They say it makes me a hypocrite because I cry that corporations don't pay their fair share. Well you know what? If you can't beat them, join them. That's why I am slowly but surely becoming a conservative. Not because I agree with them but because the poor people who vote GOP or don't vote at all make me sick. If they don't get it and if they don't care, why should I care about them?

P.S. Thanks for not believing I make what I make. It's flattering to know I make an unbelievable amount compared to the rest of you. Thanks for making me feel good.

I won't comment on the off topic stuff. We're going down too many roads. But, this is my word to you:

I saw something many years ago and it told me a lot about a certain president and the drug trade. A while back my wife and I watched a several part documentary on the subject:

America's War on Drugs (TV Mini-Series 2017) - IMDb

This is some related stuff on the subject:

America's War on Drugs Full Episodes, Video & More | HISTORY

Most people in Georgia don't make the kind of money you're talking about. I raised a boy when he was sent to us by the state. I went from foster parent to adopted father. Well he's all grown up and got a job selling roofing jobs. He was so proud of his first big paycheck that he texted me a copy of the $1900 check for one week. Last month, he got his largest check for a single week: $4015. Admittedly, other than the doctors, lawyers, judges and a couple of politicians I know, my adopted son is the highest paid person I personally know.

I'm friends with the Secretary of State; he is a millionaire, but I don't "know" him to the point that we see each other socially.

If you have the courage to watch that series, you'll have somewhat of a handle on my position.

I make $300 every day I wake up. $300 x 365 days is?

But some day you will have face the reality of your contribution to the demise of your own people.

What demise? Smoking pot? It’s called freedom.

 

[sealybobo]

You are one of those freedom to fascism guys. Basically a libertarian. Libertarians are just the Republicans retarded cousins. In some ways you are better than Republicans but in most ways you are worse.

I'm one of those guys that 20 years ago were called "conservative." I think multidimensional so labels probably won't work for you.

Since I don't do dope and think we're making a BIG mistake, it's hard to fit me into a Libertarian mold. But, if labeling people as a diversion to discussing topics that you fear being wrong about works for you, go for it.

Bruce Jenner doesn't like how Republicans treat gays but that doesn't mean he's not a Republican. You don't like pot? That doesn't mean you aren't a libertarian. Even Ron Paul agrees with you that the income tax is unconstitutional.

Like I said before it doesn't matter if you are a Republican or Libertarian. They're just two different nuts in a mixed bag of nuts.

And you don't get to tell us what you are. We tell you what you are based on your comments. Trust me dude, you're a libertarian.

And like you doubt me, I doubt you make the kind of money you say you make or that you own a business. To me it sounds like you made all that up just to go along with your narrative. Then you tell us an American worker asked you for $500 hr and you hired an illegal for $30 hr? Whatever dude. You sound more like a nut job than a small business owner.

And do you still own the business? You spend way too much time on here to be running a business. I bet your business did go under.

According to the U.S. Small Business Administration, over 50% of small businesses fail in the first year and 95% fail within the first five years.

Dude, I'm in semi-retirement. I think you are hilarious. What country do you live in where self righteous smart asses get to determine what a man is as opposed to the man telling you what he is.

If I come out against drugs and abortion and the Libertarians are cool with that, I might just run as a Libertarian. I'll explain the deal to you:

I got out of the hospital after major surgery. So, I'm in stitches and can't get around. The overflow valve on the water heater goes out and I tell my wife to pick up another one at Home Depot.

I call a plumber that wants $40 to make a "service call." I tell him what's wrong and have the part. He goes to his truck and after 40 minutes he comes back with a "proposal." It was for $240 plus the $40 service charge. I told him that I had already told him I was an ex Seabee. I know what it takes to fix this freaking stuff. I paid him $40 and gave him 40 seconds to be off my property.

I picked up the phone and called the first laborer I had a number for. He came over and changed the overflow out in under 15 minutes. I asked him what I owed him. He said, you think $30 is reasonable?

Now, had Bubba done that job. He would have gotten $280 for a 15 minute job. That puts him at $1,120 an hour. Are there not four 15 minute segments in an hour? Allow for the trip out here and taxes, it works out to about $985 per hour. THAT is why you have undocumented foreigners working jobs, making damn good money and allowing people to be able to live in and keep their homes.

Any person that would allow the Bubbas to take advantage of them are idiots. Poor people; those on fixed incomes; those who are on disability... they cannot afford to pay you a surgeon's wages for a job where the skill set takes six months to learn and their lives aren't at stake. So, those people are traitors for keeping their homes and not leaving it because some redneck with an over sized truck thinks he should be paid as much as a surgeon? You are beyond foolish and anyone that reads your bullshit probably realizes that smokers ARE people with a low IQ.

Right now my business is the ministry. I help people get back on their feet. I help people in poor neighborhoods get repairs done for what they can afford. On my end, I don't make much of anything. I planned for my retirement. But, son, these guys thinking they are going to go into neighborhoods and rip people off to appease folks like you are the real traitors... and so are you for not acknowledging the real problems.

I disagree. I paid an American $200 to detail my car. I know I could have found an illegal to do it cheaper but I was glad to pay an American company an American wage. That's the only way we are going to make America great again. An illegal shouldn't even be an option.

I felt like maybe these guys doing car detailing and landscaping can finally charge a rate that will give them a good standard of living. I don't mind paying a little more. Hell, I paid a lot more.

Remember, I make $90K plus a year and I have no mortgage, no kids going to college and I paid off my college loans in 1995.

The funny thing about hiring illegals is that it's not poor Americans who need to save that are doing it. It's rich guys like you. This is just one reason the rich have gotten richer in the last few decades and the middle class has disappeared or shrunk. I read somewhere that people who employ illegals save billions of dollars every year. That means you are stealing from middle class and poor Americans. It's not right. And you are proving that class warfare does exist. And you clearly don't respect American workers. To you we are lazy and charge too much. Funny, that's what we think about your company.

I have the luxury of working in Manufacturing and in Michigan. A union state where labor still makes a pretty good living. My brother just confirmed with me that the new company he just went to treats their employees like shit. For decades he thought I was making that up. Now that he works for a company that isn't in manufacturing, he is seeing that not all companies treat their employees like they should.

And that Koch company that got caught hiring all those illegals in Mississippi? They pay $12. That's shit. And from the lawsuits I saw they went through, they too treat their employees like shit. You cons and employers love it this way. Where employees are helpless and have to take your shit and your $12 hr shitty job.

You are full of it so your criticisms have little, if any, credibility.

My car is 11 years old. No "rich" guy keeps his car that long.

I never pay less than $20 an hour.. that's more than anyone else in this business pays

Since I only cater to the poor and elderly you are completely nuts. I provide services to people on Social Security, Disability, and fixed incomes. I provide jobs, hopefully, to those who have been disenfranchised... that many years old conviction, an emotional breakdown over the loss of one's family, the guy trying to rebuild his life.

You're a pot seller.

Hey I respect what you do. And if you ain’t getting rich you should only be paying day laborers $20 hr.

Correll and I want to cut immigration down so much that it forces wages up.

Of course we will all pay a little more for American workers but it’s worth it. That person will be raising a family on the income.

The workers will share the profits. Otherwise they’ll work somewhere else.

You prove the value of unions. They brought wages up because people could get a good union job not bottom rates from you.

 

[sealybobo]

Dude, I'm in semi-retirement. I think you are hilarious. What country do you live in where self righteous smart asses get to determine what a man is as opposed to the man telling you what he is.

If I come out against drugs and abortion and the Libertarians are cool with that, I might just run as a Libertarian. I'll explain the deal to you:

I got out of the hospital after major surgery. So, I'm in stitches and can't get around. The overflow valve on the water heater goes out and I tell my wife to pick up another one at Home Depot.

I call a plumber that wants $40 to make a "service call." I tell him what's wrong and have the part. He goes to his truck and after 40 minutes he comes back with a "proposal." It was for $240 plus the $40 service charge. I told him that I had already told him I was an ex Seabee. I know what it takes to fix this freaking stuff. I paid him $40 and gave him 40 seconds to be off my property.

I picked up the phone and called the first laborer I had a number for. He came over and changed the overflow out in under 15 minutes. I asked him what I owed him. He said, you think $30 is reasonable?

Now, had Bubba done that job. He would have gotten $280 for a 15 minute job. That puts him at $1,120 an hour. Are there not four 15 minute segments in an hour? Allow for the trip out here and taxes, it works out to about $985 per hour. THAT is why you have undocumented foreigners working jobs, making damn good money and allowing people to be able to live in and keep their homes.

Any person that would allow the Bubbas to take advantage of them are idiots. Poor people; those on fixed incomes; those who are on disability... they cannot afford to pay you a surgeon's wages for a job where the skill set takes six months to learn and their lives aren't at stake. So, those people are traitors for keeping their homes and not leaving it because some redneck with an over sized truck thinks he should be paid as much as a surgeon? You are beyond foolish and anyone that reads your bullshit probably realizes that smokers ARE people with a low IQ.

Right now my business is the ministry. I help people get back on their feet. I help people in poor neighborhoods get repairs done for what they can afford. On my end, I don't make much of anything. I planned for my retirement. But, son, these guys thinking they are going to go into neighborhoods and rip people off to appease folks like you are the real traitors... and so are you for not acknowledging the real problems.

I disagree. I paid an American $200 to detail my car. I know I could have found an illegal to do it cheaper but I was glad to pay an American company an American wage. That's the only way we are going to make America great again. An illegal shouldn't even be an option.

I felt like maybe these guys doing car detailing and landscaping can finally charge a rate that will give them a good standard of living. I don't mind paying a little more. Hell, I paid a lot more.

Remember, I make $90K plus a year and I have no mortgage, no kids going to college and I paid off my college loans in 1995.

The funny thing about hiring illegals is that it's not poor Americans who need to save that are doing it. It's rich guys like you. This is just one reason the rich have gotten richer in the last few decades and the middle class has disappeared or shrunk. I read somewhere that people who employ illegals save billions of dollars every year. That means you are stealing from middle class and poor Americans. It's not right. And you are proving that class warfare does exist. And you clearly don't respect American workers. To you we are lazy and charge too much. Funny, that's what we think about your company.

I have the luxury of working in Manufacturing and in Michigan. A union state where labor still makes a pretty good living. My brother just confirmed with me that the new company he just went to treats their employees like shit. For decades he thought I was making that up. Now that he works for a company that isn't in manufacturing, he is seeing that not all companies treat their employees like they should.

And that Koch company that got caught hiring all those illegals in Mississippi? They pay $12. That's shit. And from the lawsuits I saw they went through, they too treat their employees like shit. You cons and employers love it this way. Where employees are helpless and have to take your shit and your $12 hr shitty job.

Here is the thing I think we should remember. Me and you share a goal Seely, the best interests of the American citizens, individually and America as a whole.


A lot of people, are not motivated by that, for different reasons.


Rockwell, has ideological problems with the idea that American policy should be crafted to serve the interests of Americans.


I've run into that kind of thinking a lot.

Our policies cannot be crafted so as to make Americans choose between keeping their homes or losing them just because some people think a six month skill set is worth the same as the man who spent 8 years to learn his trade.

Is that an admission that what I said was true? Actually yes, that is an admission that what I said was true.


You just could not bring yourself to admit it clearly.



Try again. Says something along the lines of, "Yes, that is true, I do not support having American policy based on serving American interests because of _______" and then explain why.


Especially focus on how your reason is different than what I said. If it is.

You're a liar and an idiot. I help Americans every day. That is the business I'm in.

Before I landed the great corporate gig I have now I worked for a guy just lik you. He had a small business and he helped people who needed work but he payed very little.

I appreciated the job and it was my fault for taking it but I needed the work. He sort of lied about commissions and kept raising the sales goals, thus keeping me pretty much never making nothing, while growing his business.

But, it was my fault for taking the job. He kept saying show me what you got but never wanted to pay off.

Anyways, long story short is he also wrote me a great letter of recommendation that got me this great corporate gig. Good thing I left on good terms.

So in some ways I appreciate him and you, and part of me wants to kick you in the balls.

P.s. I treat small businesses differently than I do corporations. The Fortune 500s who have extreme out of control ceo pay. Those workers need to organize.

My brother is a 3rd level vp and he makes $800,000 a year. Ridiculous.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

I disagree. I paid an American $200 to detail my car. I know I could have found an illegal to do it cheaper but I was glad to pay an American company an American wage. That's the only way we are going to make America great again. An illegal shouldn't even be an option.

I felt like maybe these guys doing car detailing and landscaping can finally charge a rate that will give them a good standard of living. I don't mind paying a little more. Hell, I paid a lot more.

Remember, I make $90K plus a year and I have no mortgage, no kids going to college and I paid off my college loans in 1995.

The funny thing about hiring illegals is that it's not poor Americans who need to save that are doing it. It's rich guys like you. This is just one reason the rich have gotten richer in the last few decades and the middle class has disappeared or shrunk. I read somewhere that people who employ illegals save billions of dollars every year. That means you are stealing from middle class and poor Americans. It's not right. And you are proving that class warfare does exist. And you clearly don't respect American workers. To you we are lazy and charge too much. Funny, that's what we think about your company.

I have the luxury of working in Manufacturing and in Michigan. A union state where labor still makes a pretty good living. My brother just confirmed with me that the new company he just went to treats their employees like shit. For decades he thought I was making that up. Now that he works for a company that isn't in manufacturing, he is seeing that not all companies treat their employees like they should.

And that Koch company that got caught hiring all those illegals in Mississippi? They pay $12. That's shit. And from the lawsuits I saw they went through, they too treat their employees like shit. You cons and employers love it this way. Where employees are helpless and have to take your shit and your $12 hr shitty job.

Here is the thing I think we should remember. Me and you share a goal Seely, the best interests of the American citizens, individually and America as a whole.


A lot of people, are not motivated by that, for different reasons.


Rockwell, has ideological problems with the idea that American policy should be crafted to serve the interests of Americans.


I've run into that kind of thinking a lot.

Our policies cannot be crafted so as to make Americans choose between keeping their homes or losing them just because some people think a six month skill set is worth the same as the man who spent 8 years to learn his trade.

Is that an admission that what I said was true? Actually yes, that is an admission that what I said was true.


You just could not bring yourself to admit it clearly.



Try again. Says something along the lines of, "Yes, that is true, I do not support having American policy based on serving American interests because of _______" and then explain why.


Especially focus on how your reason is different than what I said. If it is.

You're a liar and an idiot. I help Americans every day. That is the business I'm in.

Before I landed the great corporate gig I have now I worked for a guy just lik you. He had a small business and he helped people who needed work but he payed very little.

I appreciated the job and it was my fault for taking it but I needed the work. He sort of lied about commissions and kept raising the sales goals, thus keeping me pretty much never making nothing, while growing his business.

But, it was my fault for taking the job. He kept saying show me what you got but never wanted to pay off.

Anyways, long story short is he also wrote me a great letter of recommendation that got me this great corporate gig. Good thing I left on good terms.

So in some ways I appreciate him and you, and part of me wants to kick you in the balls.

P.s. I treat small businesses differently than I do corporations. The Fortune 500s who have extreme out of control ceo pay. Those workers need to organize.

My brother is a 3rd level vote and he makes $800,000 a year. Ridiculous.

I still pay more than any other employer doing the same jobs.

 

[Correll]

Is that an admission that what I said was true? Actually yes, that is an admission that what I said was true.


You just could not bring yourself to admit it clearly.



Try again. Says something along the lines of, "Yes, that is true, I do not support having American policy based on serving American interests because of _______" and then explain why.


Especially focus on how your reason is different than what I said. If it is.

You're a liar and an idiot. I help Americans every day. That is the business I'm in.

If I was a liar and an idiot, you would not have just tried to change the subject.


You have ideological issues with the idea of crafting American government policy with the intent of serving the interests of American citizens.


YOu consider doing that, morally and ethnically, and perhaps even legally "wrong".

I did not change the subject. Are you asking me what I think or TELLING me what I think?

I'm telling Seely, what your ideology is, based on our many discussions of national policy.


If I got something wrong, then tell us what I got wrong, and what your real position is.

If you gave a shit what my personal feelings and beliefs are, you would have ASKED before presuming. Do you see how productive and possible working relationships don't come to be because one thinks he's a freaking mind reader?

If someone wants to know what I think, they will ask.

I asked lots of questions. I note that you are not denying my conclusion, nor offering any alternate.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

You're a liar and an idiot. I help Americans every day. That is the business I'm in.

If I was a liar and an idiot, you would not have just tried to change the subject.


You have ideological issues with the idea of crafting American government policy with the intent of serving the interests of American citizens.


YOu consider doing that, morally and ethnically, and perhaps even legally "wrong".

I did not change the subject. Are you asking me what I think or TELLING me what I think?

I'm telling Seely, what your ideology is, based on our many discussions of national policy.


If I got something wrong, then tell us what I got wrong, and what your real position is.

If you gave a shit what my personal feelings and beliefs are, you would have ASKED before presuming. Do you see how productive and possible working relationships don't come to be because one thinks he's a freaking mind reader?

If someone wants to know what I think, they will ask.

I asked lots of questions. I note that you are not denying my conclusion, nor offering any alternate.

I saw a lot of accusations. What, exactly, is it that you want to know?

 

[sealybobo]

Here is the thing I think we should remember. Me and you share a goal Seely, the best interests of the American citizens, individually and America as a whole.


A lot of people, are not motivated by that, for different reasons.


Rockwell, has ideological problems with the idea that American policy should be crafted to serve the interests of Americans.


I've run into that kind of thinking a lot.

Our policies cannot be crafted so as to make Americans choose between keeping their homes or losing them just because some people think a six month skill set is worth the same as the man who spent 8 years to learn his trade.

Is that an admission that what I said was true? Actually yes, that is an admission that what I said was true.


You just could not bring yourself to admit it clearly.



Try again. Says something along the lines of, "Yes, that is true, I do not support having American policy based on serving American interests because of _______" and then explain why.


Especially focus on how your reason is different than what I said. If it is.

You're a liar and an idiot. I help Americans every day. That is the business I'm in.

Before I landed the great corporate gig I have now I worked for a guy just lik you. He had a small business and he helped people who needed work but he payed very little.

I appreciated the job and it was my fault for taking it but I needed the work. He sort of lied about commissions and kept raising the sales goals, thus keeping me pretty much never making nothing, while growing his business.

But, it was my fault for taking the job. He kept saying show me what you got but never wanted to pay off.

Anyways, long story short is he also wrote me a great letter of recommendation that got me this great corporate gig. Good thing I left on good terms.

So in some ways I appreciate him and you, and part of me wants to kick you in the balls.

P.s. I treat small businesses differently than I do corporations. The Fortune 500s who have extreme out of control ceo pay. Those workers need to organize.

My brother is a 3rd level vote and he makes $800,000 a year. Ridiculous.

I still pay more than any other employer doing the same jobs.

I hear trumps trade war is bringing a recession but a couple months ago this painter told me he would pay $25 hr if the person is good. That’s what I like to hear.

But as soon as consumer confidence falls people suddenly stop getting their houses painted.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Our policies cannot be crafted so as to make Americans choose between keeping their homes or losing them just because some people think a six month skill set is worth the same as the man who spent 8 years to learn his trade.

Is that an admission that what I said was true? Actually yes, that is an admission that what I said was true.


You just could not bring yourself to admit it clearly.



Try again. Says something along the lines of, "Yes, that is true, I do not support having American policy based on serving American interests because of _______" and then explain why.


Especially focus on how your reason is different than what I said. If it is.

You're a liar and an idiot. I help Americans every day. That is the business I'm in.

Before I landed the great corporate gig I have now I worked for a guy just lik you. He had a small business and he helped people who needed work but he payed very little.

I appreciated the job and it was my fault for taking it but I needed the work. He sort of lied about commissions and kept raising the sales goals, thus keeping me pretty much never making nothing, while growing his business.

But, it was my fault for taking the job. He kept saying show me what you got but never wanted to pay off.

Anyways, long story short is he also wrote me a great letter of recommendation that got me this great corporate gig. Good thing I left on good terms.

So in some ways I appreciate him and you, and part of me wants to kick you in the balls.

P.s. I treat small businesses differently than I do corporations. The Fortune 500s who have extreme out of control ceo pay. Those workers need to organize.

My brother is a 3rd level vote and he makes $800,000 a year. Ridiculous.

I still pay more than any other employer doing the same jobs.

I hear trumps trade war is bringing a recession but a couple months ago this painter told me he would pay $25 hr if the person is good. That’s what I like to hear.

But as soon as consumer confidence falls people suddenly stop getting their houses painted.

The harder times become, the more people are fixing what they have rather than buying new.

 

[sealybobo]

You've never quoted anything and California doesn't apply to me. If you told a judge that his rulings were fallacy, he'd probably tell you that you were in contempt of court. So, you know what I think about your idiotic bullshit. BTW, you need some new material.

lol. you don't know what you are talking about.

I cited our California State Constitution regarding natural rights. They are available via Due Process not our Second Amendment.

No you didn't. I have some time on my hands. Do you want to retain me at 40 percent of what we can get if you sue your brains for non-support?

it is in post number one hundred. i don't need to make excuses.

Yawn

Natural rights are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process not our Second Amendment. How can you be an attorney and not know this?

Interesting fact. When blacks migrated to white cities because they heard there were jobs they were denied food-stamps. The whites tried to say you have to have lived in that state for five years before you could ask for welfare. The Supreme Court said that was unconstitutional.

And today trump wants to deny welfare to immigrants. Anyone who hasn’t been here for at least 5 years.

And for the record I agree with him.

 

[sealybobo]

Is that an admission that what I said was true? Actually yes, that is an admission that what I said was true.


You just could not bring yourself to admit it clearly.



Try again. Says something along the lines of, "Yes, that is true, I do not support having American policy based on serving American interests because of _______" and then explain why.


Especially focus on how your reason is different than what I said. If it is.

You're a liar and an idiot. I help Americans every day. That is the business I'm in.

Before I landed the great corporate gig I have now I worked for a guy just lik you. He had a small business and he helped people who needed work but he payed very little.

I appreciated the job and it was my fault for taking it but I needed the work. He sort of lied about commissions and kept raising the sales goals, thus keeping me pretty much never making nothing, while growing his business.

But, it was my fault for taking the job. He kept saying show me what you got but never wanted to pay off.

Anyways, long story short is he also wrote me a great letter of recommendation that got me this great corporate gig. Good thing I left on good terms.

So in some ways I appreciate him and you, and part of me wants to kick you in the balls.

P.s. I treat small businesses differently than I do corporations. The Fortune 500s who have extreme out of control ceo pay. Those workers need to organize.

My brother is a 3rd level vote and he makes $800,000 a year. Ridiculous.

I still pay more than any other employer doing the same jobs.

I hear trumps trade war is bringing a recession but a couple months ago this painter told me he would pay $25 hr if the person is good. That’s what I like to hear.

But as soon as consumer confidence falls people suddenly stop getting their houses painted.

The harder times become, the more people are fixing what they have rather than buying new.

Yea but we/I also tighten our spinksters

 

[danielpalos]

lol. you don't know what you are talking about.

I cited our California State Constitution regarding natural rights. They are available via Due Process not our Second Amendment.

No you didn't. I have some time on my hands. Do you want to retain me at 40 percent of what we can get if you sue your brains for non-support?

it is in post number one hundred. i don't need to make excuses.

Yawn

Natural rights are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process not our Second Amendment. How can you be an attorney and not know this?

Interesting fact. When blacks migrated to white cities because they heard there were jobs they were denied food-stamps. The whites tried to say you have to have lived in that state for five years before you could ask for welfare. The Supreme Court said that was unconstitutional.

And today trump wants to deny welfare to immigrants. Anyone who hasn’t been here for at least 5 years.

And for the record I agree with him.

An even more interesting fact is that there is no express immigration clause in our federal Constitution.

We should have no illegals or illegal underclass with our express establishment clause for naturalization, whenever the right wing has nothing but bigotry for their arguments.

 

[Correll]

Here is the thing I think we should remember. Me and you share a goal Seely, the best interests of the American citizens, individually and America as a whole.


A lot of people, are not motivated by that, for different reasons.


Rockwell, has ideological problems with the idea that American policy should be crafted to serve the interests of Americans.


I've run into that kind of thinking a lot.

Our policies cannot be crafted so as to make Americans choose between keeping their homes or losing them just because some people think a six month skill set is worth the same as the man who spent 8 years to learn his trade.

Is that an admission that what I said was true? Actually yes, that is an admission that what I said was true.


You just could not bring yourself to admit it clearly.



Try again. Says something along the lines of, "Yes, that is true, I do not support having American policy based on serving American interests because of _______" and then explain why.


Especially focus on how your reason is different than what I said. If it is.

You're a liar and an idiot. I help Americans every day. That is the business I'm in.

Before I landed the great corporate gig I have now I worked for a guy just lik you. He had a small business and he helped people who needed work but he payed very little.

I appreciated the job and it was my fault for taking it but I needed the work. He sort of lied about commissions and kept raising the sales goals, thus keeping me pretty much never making nothing, while growing his business.

But, it was my fault for taking the job. He kept saying show me what you got but never wanted to pay off.

Anyways, long story short is he also wrote me a great letter of recommendation that got me this great corporate gig. Good thing I left on good terms.

So in some ways I appreciate him and you, and part of me wants to kick you in the balls.

P.s. I treat small businesses differently than I do corporations. The Fortune 500s who have extreme out of control ceo pay. Those workers need to organize.

My brother is a 3rd level vote and he makes $800,000 a year. Ridiculous.

I still pay more than any other employer doing the same jobs.

The point is not that you are a bad person.


The point is that the market is effected by an excess of labor supply driving down the price.

 

[Correll]

If I was a liar and an idiot, you would not have just tried to change the subject.


You have ideological issues with the idea of crafting American government policy with the intent of serving the interests of American citizens.


YOu consider doing that, morally and ethnically, and perhaps even legally "wrong".

I did not change the subject. Are you asking me what I think or TELLING me what I think?

I'm telling Seely, what your ideology is, based on our many discussions of national policy.


If I got something wrong, then tell us what I got wrong, and what your real position is.

If you gave a shit what my personal feelings and beliefs are, you would have ASKED before presuming. Do you see how productive and possible working relationships don't come to be because one thinks he's a freaking mind reader?

If someone wants to know what I think, they will ask.

I asked lots of questions. I note that you are not denying my conclusion, nor offering any alternate.

I saw a lot of accusations. What, exactly, is it that you want to know?

There were no accusations. Your evasion is noted.