Illegal Employer Problem

[Correll]

Our policies cannot be crafted so as to make Americans choose between keeping their homes or losing them just because some people think a six month skill set is worth the same as the man who spent 8 years to learn his trade.

Is that an admission that what I said was true? Actually yes, that is an admission that what I said was true.


You just could not bring yourself to admit it clearly.



Try again. Says something along the lines of, "Yes, that is true, I do not support having American policy based on serving American interests because of _______" and then explain why.


Especially focus on how your reason is different than what I said. If it is.

You're a liar and an idiot. I help Americans every day. That is the business I'm in.

Before I landed the great corporate gig I have now I worked for a guy just lik you. He had a small business and he helped people who needed work but he payed very little.

I appreciated the job and it was my fault for taking it but I needed the work. He sort of lied about commissions and kept raising the sales goals, thus keeping me pretty much never making nothing, while growing his business.

But, it was my fault for taking the job. He kept saying show me what you got but never wanted to pay off.

Anyways, long story short is he also wrote me a great letter of recommendation that got me this great corporate gig. Good thing I left on good terms.

So in some ways I appreciate him and you, and part of me wants to kick you in the balls.

P.s. I treat small businesses differently than I do corporations. The Fortune 500s who have extreme out of control ceo pay. Those workers need to organize.

My brother is a 3rd level vote and he makes $800,000 a year. Ridiculous.

I still pay more than any other employer doing the same jobs.

I hear trumps trade war is bringing a recession but a couple months ago this painter told me he would pay $25 hr if the person is good. That’s what I like to hear.

But as soon as consumer confidence falls people suddenly stop getting their houses painted.

The recession will end.



The long standing trend of wage stagnation kept working though good and bad times.


If we keep the labor supply tight, it is not unreasonable to hope that the same thing will happen with the upward trend we are seeing.

 

[danielpalos]

Our policies cannot be crafted so as to make Americans choose between keeping their homes or losing them just because some people think a six month skill set is worth the same as the man who spent 8 years to learn his trade.

Is that an admission that what I said was true? Actually yes, that is an admission that what I said was true.


You just could not bring yourself to admit it clearly.



Try again. Says something along the lines of, "Yes, that is true, I do not support having American policy based on serving American interests because of _______" and then explain why.


Especially focus on how your reason is different than what I said. If it is.

You're a liar and an idiot. I help Americans every day. That is the business I'm in.

Before I landed the great corporate gig I have now I worked for a guy just lik you. He had a small business and he helped people who needed work but he payed very little.

I appreciated the job and it was my fault for taking it but I needed the work. He sort of lied about commissions and kept raising the sales goals, thus keeping me pretty much never making nothing, while growing his business.

But, it was my fault for taking the job. He kept saying show me what you got but never wanted to pay off.

Anyways, long story short is he also wrote me a great letter of recommendation that got me this great corporate gig. Good thing I left on good terms.

So in some ways I appreciate him and you, and part of me wants to kick you in the balls.

P.s. I treat small businesses differently than I do corporations. The Fortune 500s who have extreme out of control ceo pay. Those workers need to organize.

My brother is a 3rd level vote and he makes $800,000 a year. Ridiculous.

I still pay more than any other employer doing the same jobs.

The point is not that you are a bad person.


The point is that the market is effected by an excess of labor supply driving down the price.

we have a minimum wage for a reason. who are you going to hire at fifteen an hour?

 

[Correll]

Is that an admission that what I said was true? Actually yes, that is an admission that what I said was true.


You just could not bring yourself to admit it clearly.



Try again. Says something along the lines of, "Yes, that is true, I do not support having American policy based on serving American interests because of _______" and then explain why.


Especially focus on how your reason is different than what I said. If it is.

You're a liar and an idiot. I help Americans every day. That is the business I'm in.

Before I landed the great corporate gig I have now I worked for a guy just lik you. He had a small business and he helped people who needed work but he payed very little.

I appreciated the job and it was my fault for taking it but I needed the work. He sort of lied about commissions and kept raising the sales goals, thus keeping me pretty much never making nothing, while growing his business.

But, it was my fault for taking the job. He kept saying show me what you got but never wanted to pay off.

Anyways, long story short is he also wrote me a great letter of recommendation that got me this great corporate gig. Good thing I left on good terms.

So in some ways I appreciate him and you, and part of me wants to kick you in the balls.

P.s. I treat small businesses differently than I do corporations. The Fortune 500s who have extreme out of control ceo pay. Those workers need to organize.

My brother is a 3rd level vote and he makes $800,000 a year. Ridiculous.

I still pay more than any other employer doing the same jobs.

The point is not that you are a bad person.


The point is that the market is effected by an excess of labor supply driving down the price.

we have a minimum wage for a reason. who are you going to hire at fifteen an hour?

Roofers, handymen, maids, landscapers, ect.

 

[danielpalos]

Our naturalization clause is better. Mexicans are right across the border. They can always go home and set up shop. Most won't need to ask for citizenship if they can freely cross the border as visitors.

 

[sealybobo]

Is that an admission that what I said was true? Actually yes, that is an admission that what I said was true.


You just could not bring yourself to admit it clearly.



Try again. Says something along the lines of, "Yes, that is true, I do not support having American policy based on serving American interests because of _______" and then explain why.


Especially focus on how your reason is different than what I said. If it is.

You're a liar and an idiot. I help Americans every day. That is the business I'm in.

Before I landed the great corporate gig I have now I worked for a guy just lik you. He had a small business and he helped people who needed work but he payed very little.

I appreciated the job and it was my fault for taking it but I needed the work. He sort of lied about commissions and kept raising the sales goals, thus keeping me pretty much never making nothing, while growing his business.

But, it was my fault for taking the job. He kept saying show me what you got but never wanted to pay off.

Anyways, long story short is he also wrote me a great letter of recommendation that got me this great corporate gig. Good thing I left on good terms.

So in some ways I appreciate him and you, and part of me wants to kick you in the balls.

P.s. I treat small businesses differently than I do corporations. The Fortune 500s who have extreme out of control ceo pay. Those workers need to organize.

My brother is a 3rd level vote and he makes $800,000 a year. Ridiculous.

I still pay more than any other employer doing the same jobs.

I hear trumps trade war is bringing a recession but a couple months ago this painter told me he would pay $25 hr if the person is good. That’s what I like to hear.

But as soon as consumer confidence falls people suddenly stop getting their houses painted.

The recession will end.



The long standing trend of wage stagnation kept working though good and bad times.


If we keep the labor supply tight, it is not unreasonable to hope that the same thing will happen with the upward trend we are seeing.

Actually what you are talking about did work and was happening in the roaring 90s. Companies had to pay or they’d lose their good employees.

But something is different today. Today we don’t have 35% of the workforce organized. Corporations have sense broken the unions. I suspect they’ll do everything they can to keep wages low. They’ll ev n start allowing more legal immigrants in.

Boy, this immigration issue trump has focused in on really resonates with me. I don’t think they are sincere but at least it has put a focus on the problems the middle class is having. Either solve the problems or here comes socialism.

 

[Correll]

You're a liar and an idiot. I help Americans every day. That is the business I'm in.

Before I landed the great corporate gig I have now I worked for a guy just lik you. He had a small business and he helped people who needed work but he payed very little.

I appreciated the job and it was my fault for taking it but I needed the work. He sort of lied about commissions and kept raising the sales goals, thus keeping me pretty much never making nothing, while growing his business.

But, it was my fault for taking the job. He kept saying show me what you got but never wanted to pay off.

Anyways, long story short is he also wrote me a great letter of recommendation that got me this great corporate gig. Good thing I left on good terms.

So in some ways I appreciate him and you, and part of me wants to kick you in the balls.

P.s. I treat small businesses differently than I do corporations. The Fortune 500s who have extreme out of control ceo pay. Those workers need to organize.

My brother is a 3rd level vote and he makes $800,000 a year. Ridiculous.

I still pay more than any other employer doing the same jobs.

I hear trumps trade war is bringing a recession but a couple months ago this painter told me he would pay $25 hr if the person is good. That’s what I like to hear.

But as soon as consumer confidence falls people suddenly stop getting their houses painted.

The recession will end.



The long standing trend of wage stagnation kept working though good and bad times.


If we keep the labor supply tight, it is not unreasonable to hope that the same thing will happen with the upward trend we are seeing.

Actually what you are talking about did work and was happening in the roaring 90s. Companies had to pay or they’d lose their good employees.

But something is different today. Today we don’t have 35% of the workforce organized. Corporations have sense broken the unions. I suspect they’ll do everything they can to keep wages low. They’ll ev n start allowing more legal immigrants in.

Boy, this immigration issue trump has focused in on really resonates with me. I don’t think they are sincere but at least it has put a focus on the problems the middle class is having. Either solve the problems or here comes socialism.

The environment seem ripe for an union resurgence.


Especially if they hit the republicans on how Trumpism undermines the justification for traditional GOP hostility to unions.


I keep expecting to read on such a push.


Can you imagine the impact if a major union took an anti-immigration stance?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

I did not change the subject. Are you asking me what I think or TELLING me what I think?

I'm telling Seely, what your ideology is, based on our many discussions of national policy.


If I got something wrong, then tell us what I got wrong, and what your real position is.

If you gave a shit what my personal feelings and beliefs are, you would have ASKED before presuming. Do you see how productive and possible working relationships don't come to be because one thinks he's a freaking mind reader?

If someone wants to know what I think, they will ask.

I asked lots of questions. I note that you are not denying my conclusion, nor offering any alternate.

I saw a lot of accusations. What, exactly, is it that you want to know?

There were no accusations. Your evasion is noted.

You're the one copping out. Is there something you really want to know about me? Ask your question (s) I will try to get to them tomorrow.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Our policies cannot be crafted so as to make Americans choose between keeping their homes or losing them just because some people think a six month skill set is worth the same as the man who spent 8 years to learn his trade.

Is that an admission that what I said was true? Actually yes, that is an admission that what I said was true.


You just could not bring yourself to admit it clearly.



Try again. Says something along the lines of, "Yes, that is true, I do not support having American policy based on serving American interests because of _______" and then explain why.


Especially focus on how your reason is different than what I said. If it is.

You're a liar and an idiot. I help Americans every day. That is the business I'm in.

Before I landed the great corporate gig I have now I worked for a guy just lik you. He had a small business and he helped people who needed work but he payed very little.

I appreciated the job and it was my fault for taking it but I needed the work. He sort of lied about commissions and kept raising the sales goals, thus keeping me pretty much never making nothing, while growing his business.

But, it was my fault for taking the job. He kept saying show me what you got but never wanted to pay off.

Anyways, long story short is he also wrote me a great letter of recommendation that got me this great corporate gig. Good thing I left on good terms.

So in some ways I appreciate him and you, and part of me wants to kick you in the balls.

P.s. I treat small businesses differently than I do corporations. The Fortune 500s who have extreme out of control ceo pay. Those workers need to organize.

My brother is a 3rd level vote and he makes $800,000 a year. Ridiculous.

I still pay more than any other employer doing the same jobs.

The point is not that you are a bad person.


The point is that the market is effected by an excess of labor supply driving down the price.

You do realize that my take on economics is supported by a man who won a Nobel in economics, right?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

No you didn't. I have some time on my hands. Do you want to retain me at 40 percent of what we can get if you sue your brains for non-support?

it is in post number one hundred. i don't need to make excuses.

Yawn

Natural rights are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process not our Second Amendment. How can you be an attorney and not know this?

Interesting fact. When blacks migrated to white cities because they heard there were jobs they were denied food-stamps. The whites tried to say you have to have lived in that state for five years before you could ask for welfare. The Supreme Court said that was unconstitutional.

And today trump wants to deny welfare to immigrants. Anyone who hasn’t been here for at least 5 years.

And for the record I agree with him.

An even more interesting fact is that there is no express immigration clause in our federal Constitution.

We should have no illegals or illegal underclass with our express establishment clause for naturalization, whenever the right wing has nothing but bigotry for their arguments.

YOU NEED SOME NEW MATERIAL

 

[Correll]

I'm telling Seely, what your ideology is, based on our many discussions of national policy.


If I got something wrong, then tell us what I got wrong, and what your real position is.

If you gave a shit what my personal feelings and beliefs are, you would have ASKED before presuming. Do you see how productive and possible working relationships don't come to be because one thinks he's a freaking mind reader?

If someone wants to know what I think, they will ask.

I asked lots of questions. I note that you are not denying my conclusion, nor offering any alternate.

I saw a lot of accusations. What, exactly, is it that you want to know?

There were no accusations. Your evasion is noted.

You're the one copping out. Is there something you really want to know about me? Ask your question (s) I will try to get to them tomorrow.

We already covered that ground, and I made my points. They are right there in the thread if you want to correct them.

 

[Correll]

Is that an admission that what I said was true? Actually yes, that is an admission that what I said was true.


You just could not bring yourself to admit it clearly.



Try again. Says something along the lines of, "Yes, that is true, I do not support having American policy based on serving American interests because of _______" and then explain why.


Especially focus on how your reason is different than what I said. If it is.

You're a liar and an idiot. I help Americans every day. That is the business I'm in.

Before I landed the great corporate gig I have now I worked for a guy just lik you. He had a small business and he helped people who needed work but he payed very little.

I appreciated the job and it was my fault for taking it but I needed the work. He sort of lied about commissions and kept raising the sales goals, thus keeping me pretty much never making nothing, while growing his business.

But, it was my fault for taking the job. He kept saying show me what you got but never wanted to pay off.

Anyways, long story short is he also wrote me a great letter of recommendation that got me this great corporate gig. Good thing I left on good terms.

So in some ways I appreciate him and you, and part of me wants to kick you in the balls.

P.s. I treat small businesses differently than I do corporations. The Fortune 500s who have extreme out of control ceo pay. Those workers need to organize.

My brother is a 3rd level vote and he makes $800,000 a year. Ridiculous.

I still pay more than any other employer doing the same jobs.

The point is not that you are a bad person.


The point is that the market is effected by an excess of labor supply driving down the price.

You do realize that my take on economics is supported by a man who won a Nobel in economics, right?

If he doesn't believe that an excess of supply drives down prices, he was/is full of shit.

 

[danielpalos]

it is in post number one hundred. i don't need to make excuses.

Yawn

Natural rights are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process not our Second Amendment. How can you be an attorney and not know this?

Interesting fact. When blacks migrated to white cities because they heard there were jobs they were denied food-stamps. The whites tried to say you have to have lived in that state for five years before you could ask for welfare. The Supreme Court said that was unconstitutional.

And today trump wants to deny welfare to immigrants. Anyone who hasn’t been here for at least 5 years.

And for the record I agree with him.

An even more interesting fact is that there is no express immigration clause in our federal Constitution.

We should have no illegals or illegal underclass with our express establishment clause for naturalization, whenever the right wing has nothing but bigotry for their arguments.

YOU NEED SOME NEW MATERIAL

you have no valid rebuttals. you know you Have to lose if we have to get, supreme.

 

[sealybobo]

Yawn

Natural rights are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process not our Second Amendment. How can you be an attorney and not know this?

Interesting fact. When blacks migrated to white cities because they heard there were jobs they were denied food-stamps. The whites tried to say you have to have lived in that state for five years before you could ask for welfare. The Supreme Court said that was unconstitutional.

And today trump wants to deny welfare to immigrants. Anyone who hasn’t been here for at least 5 years.

And for the record I agree with him.

An even more interesting fact is that there is no express immigration clause in our federal Constitution.

We should have no illegals or illegal underclass with our express establishment clause for naturalization, whenever the right wing has nothing but bigotry for their arguments.

YOU NEED SOME NEW MATERIAL

you have no valid rebuttals. you know you Have to lose if we have to get, supreme.

Daniel, I think I agree with you but it's hard to tell because you keep saying shit only you understand.

 

[danielpalos]

Natural rights are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process not our Second Amendment. How can you be an attorney and not know this?

Interesting fact. When blacks migrated to white cities because they heard there were jobs they were denied food-stamps. The whites tried to say you have to have lived in that state for five years before you could ask for welfare. The Supreme Court said that was unconstitutional.

And today trump wants to deny welfare to immigrants. Anyone who hasn’t been here for at least 5 years.

And for the record I agree with him.

An even more interesting fact is that there is no express immigration clause in our federal Constitution.

We should have no illegals or illegal underclass with our express establishment clause for naturalization, whenever the right wing has nothing but bigotry for their arguments.

YOU NEED SOME NEW MATERIAL

you have no valid rebuttals. you know you Have to lose if we have to get, supreme.

Daniel, I think I agree with you but it's hard to tell because you keep saying shit only you understand.

like what? i usually ask questions until i win my arguments. the right wing is simply too lazy even with their alleged subscription to a work ethic from the Age of Iron.

 

[sealybobo]

Interesting fact. When blacks migrated to white cities because they heard there were jobs they were denied food-stamps. The whites tried to say you have to have lived in that state for five years before you could ask for welfare. The Supreme Court said that was unconstitutional.

And today trump wants to deny welfare to immigrants. Anyone who hasn’t been here for at least 5 years.

And for the record I agree with him.

An even more interesting fact is that there is no express immigration clause in our federal Constitution.

We should have no illegals or illegal underclass with our express establishment clause for naturalization, whenever the right wing has nothing but bigotry for their arguments.

YOU NEED SOME NEW MATERIAL

you have no valid rebuttals. you know you Have to lose if we have to get, supreme.

Daniel, I think I agree with you but it's hard to tell because you keep saying shit only you understand.

like what? i usually ask questions until i win my arguments. the right wing is simply too lazy even with their alleged subscription to a work ethic from the Age of Iron.

Here you go again with another riddle I have do decipher. LOL.

Like what? Like you saying this: the right wing is simply too lazy even with their alleged subscription to a work ethic from the Age of Iron.

Age of Iron? Is that a Marvel movie?

 

[danielpalos]

An even more interesting fact is that there is no express immigration clause in our federal Constitution.

We should have no illegals or illegal underclass with our express establishment clause for naturalization, whenever the right wing has nothing but bigotry for their arguments.

YOU NEED SOME NEW MATERIAL

you have no valid rebuttals. you know you Have to lose if we have to get, supreme.

Daniel, I think I agree with you but it's hard to tell because you keep saying shit only you understand.

like what? i usually ask questions until i win my arguments. the right wing is simply too lazy even with their alleged subscription to a work ethic from the Age of Iron.

Here you go again with another riddle I have do decipher. LOL.

Like what? Like you saying this: the right wing is simply too lazy even with their alleged subscription to a work ethic from the Age of Iron.

Age of Iron? Is that a Marvel movie?

just my perception of the right wing.

i have no confidence in their sincerity.

 

[sealybobo]

YOU NEED SOME NEW MATERIAL

you have no valid rebuttals. you know you Have to lose if we have to get, supreme.

Daniel, I think I agree with you but it's hard to tell because you keep saying shit only you understand.

like what? i usually ask questions until i win my arguments. the right wing is simply too lazy even with their alleged subscription to a work ethic from the Age of Iron.

Here you go again with another riddle I have do decipher. LOL.

Like what? Like you saying this: the right wing is simply too lazy even with their alleged subscription to a work ethic from the Age of Iron.

Age of Iron? Is that a Marvel movie?

just my perception of the right wing.

i have no confidence in their sincerity.

That's because it is their fault the average middle class American is no longer making enough to even be able to retire and the rich have gotten richer than ever. It's their policies that caused this. Then they want to say it happened on Obama's watch but lets not forget they stonewalled him on undoing a lot of the Bush era policies that created the gap.

Sending jobs overseas, hiring illegals, buying from China, tax breaks to to the rich, breaking unions. All of these things created the widening gap between the rich and rest of us.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

You're a liar and an idiot. I help Americans every day. That is the business I'm in.

Before I landed the great corporate gig I have now I worked for a guy just lik you. He had a small business and he helped people who needed work but he payed very little.

I appreciated the job and it was my fault for taking it but I needed the work. He sort of lied about commissions and kept raising the sales goals, thus keeping me pretty much never making nothing, while growing his business.

But, it was my fault for taking the job. He kept saying show me what you got but never wanted to pay off.

Anyways, long story short is he also wrote me a great letter of recommendation that got me this great corporate gig. Good thing I left on good terms.

So in some ways I appreciate him and you, and part of me wants to kick you in the balls.

P.s. I treat small businesses differently than I do corporations. The Fortune 500s who have extreme out of control ceo pay. Those workers need to organize.

My brother is a 3rd level vote and he makes $800,000 a year. Ridiculous.

I still pay more than any other employer doing the same jobs.

The point is not that you are a bad person.


The point is that the market is effected by an excess of labor supply driving down the price.

You do realize that my take on economics is supported by a man who won a Nobel in economics, right?

If he doesn't believe that an excess of supply drives down prices, he was/is full of shit.

Well, if you read the links I've provided, you know the answer.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

If you gave a shit what my personal feelings and beliefs are, you would have ASKED before presuming. Do you see how productive and possible working relationships don't come to be because one thinks he's a freaking mind reader?

If someone wants to know what I think, they will ask.

I asked lots of questions. I note that you are not denying my conclusion, nor offering any alternate.

I saw a lot of accusations. What, exactly, is it that you want to know?

There were no accusations. Your evasion is noted.

You're the one copping out. Is there something you really want to know about me? Ask your question (s) I will try to get to them tomorrow.

We already covered that ground, and I made my points. They are right there in the thread if you want to correct them.

Like I said, if you had a question, you would ask it. Making silly accusations is a waste of bandwidth and sheer arrogance on your part. You presume to read my mind and tell others what I think.

 

[kwc57]

Republicans like to blame bleeding heart liberals for illegal immigration. But the fact is, if people weren't hiring them, they'd go home. Who's hiring them? Small business owners? Aren't they typically Republicans?

Here are three great articles on the subject:

ThomHartmann.com - Today's Immigration Battle Corporatists vs. Racists (and Labor is Left Behind)

ThomHartmann.com - Illegal Workers: the Con's Secret Weapon


ThomHartmann.com - Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

My goodness...….(sarcasm on) if you prevent businesses from hiring them, aren't you engaging in institutional racism against brown people?(sarcasm off) If the government were to enforce those laws, they will be met with the same protests from liberals/Democrats of conservative racism. If you argue for open borders, the last thing you want to see happen is limiting jobs.

Look, I believe companies who hire illegals should be held accountable, but that isn't the end all be all for stopping illegal immigration. Would it help? Sure. Is it the cure? No. You'll never get Democrats in Congress to agree to support "racist" laws. The truth is, they want them here to build a new majority base. We give you citizenship, we give you healthcare, we give you free education and all we ask for in return is your vote. What they don't realize is that when they build this new majority, they will end up being booted from office and the party they seek to preserve will become a different party.