Im ready to curb gun murders. Lets work together

[cnm]

They have a lower rate of non gun homicide too

You said it wasn't working. When shown it is working you pretend you didn't say it. Ffs. Nothing new.

 

[ricechickie]

enforcing it is the problem

With handguns and military style semi-automatics effectively banned, practically they can be confiscated any time they're seen. Which of course means major restrictions are placed on their sales.

Except for the natural right to self defense and the 2nd Amendment....and it isn't working in Australia, Britain, France or Belgium...or Europe...

Evidence?

Australia....

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

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Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

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While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

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These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

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Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.
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The second part of the series....
Gun city: Gunslingers of the North West


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'Thousands' of illegal guns tipped to be handed over in firearms amnesty

Asked roughly how many he expected to be handed in, Mr Keenan said: "Look I certainly think the number will be in the thousands."

The Australian Crime Commission estimated in 2012 there were at least 250,000 illegal guns in Australia. But a Senate report noted last year it was impossible to estimate how many illicit weapons are out there.

But....military weapons?

And despite Australia's strict border controls, the smuggling of high-powered military-style firearms is also a growing problem.

enforcing it is the problem

With handguns and military style semi-automatics effectively banned, practically they can be confiscated any time they're seen. Which of course means major restrictions are placed on their sales.

Except for the natural right to self defense and the 2nd Amendment....and it isn't working in Australia, Britain, France or Belgium...or Europe...

Evidence?

Britain....

Homicides in England and Wales up 14%

The police-recorded crime figures include a 9% rise in knife crime and a 4% rise in gun crime, which are thought to reflect a rise in gang violence largely in London and Manchester.

The rise in gun crime is the first recorded for eight years and includes a 10% rise in London.


Rising number of guns being smuggled into UK, Metropolitan police say

More guns are being seized in cities across Britain as the number of firearms being smuggled into the country increases, Britain’s most senior police officer has said.

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, the Metropolitan police commissioner, told a hearing at London’s City Hall that a rise in gun crime in the capital was being put down to an increase in the number of weapons coming into the country.

The Met seized a “worrying” record number of weapons in 2015, including semiautomatic guns, Hogan-Howe said.

“We’ve seized more firearms than ever before,” he said. “In the previous year [2015] we’ve seized 714 guns – that’s around two per day. In a city this size, that’s a worrying number. This is an increase on previous years. Some of them are semiautomatic weapons, too.

“If you look around the big cities of the country, they are seeing a similar profile. Manchester, Birmingham, Leeds, Liverpool – they are seeing big rises as well.”

America could only hope to have those kinds of murder rates.

Yes, rates are increasing for those countries, but I don't know if you can make a case that gun control isn't working unless you go back to the rates before regulation, and compare.

 

[2aguy]

The only way to curb illegal guns is to curb the number of guns in circulation, period. Legal guns get rerouted to criminals. Less legal guns, less guns get rerouted.

So you don't think we are getting illegal guns from overseas?
Is there a solution to curb gun circulation without infringing on rights of law abiding people?

I don't think so, TN. However, in a complex society, "rights" come with responsibilities. When our country has the highest gun homicide rate of all civilized nations, perhaps it is time for everyone to take some responsibility for the innocents that are shot every day.

Frivolous gun laws have never worked and will never work, people that think they do are stupid people...

I'm not talking "frivolous." If I didn't know it was completely unrealistic to expect, I'd be advocating for the Australia solution. I'm talking full out get-rid-of-the-fucking-things, nothing frivolous about it. However, thanks to our violent and gun loving cowboys, frivolous is all we can hope for.

And we do have a 2nd Amendment. So, keep them, I say, but do background checks and register them.

Background checks and registration do nothing to stop criminals or mass shooters.....

Please explain how either one accomplishes what you think they do....

And felons do not have to register illegal guns...do you realize that? According to Haynes v. United States Supreme court decision...

 

[2aguy]

They have a lower rate of non gun homicide too

You said it wasn't working. When shown it is working you pretend you didn't say it. Ffs. Nothing new.

Nope..not even close....their gun laws did not change the rate of gun murder or gun crime.....which is what you are saying...and you are wrong....in fact.....gun crime is going up in those countries..after bans..

 

[cnm]

the 'well regulated militia' is not who the right was given to

It was the reason for it, and the well regulated militia is the people.

 

[ricechickie]

I don't think so, TN. However, in a complex society, "rights" come with responsibilities. When our country has the highest gun homicide rate of all civilized nations, perhaps it is time for everyone to take some responsibility for the innocents that are shot every day.

What does that have to do with us? You think we are alike enough to HONESTLY compare it?
We have over 330M here, we have a native urban culture, so many differences to list.
It isn't that black and white.
Its like people refer to socialist countries as having all this free shit and they do fine. Then you look at suicide rates and violent crime.. Its not black and white, its a Crayola 64 crayon pack.

Oh, it's black and white alright. No guns, no shootings. But it won't happen like that here because too many of you apparently feel it shouldn't, and this is a democracy. Although it is entirely defeating to have this discussion on USMB, with its conservative majority, I think a good part of the country may feel differently about it though. We'll see.

Its not black and white when you compare it to other countries. There are variables. Basic math..
Of course if there was no guns, there would be no shootings. Probably a lot of sword fighting and fertilizer bombing, though. Lol
But this country has second amendment rights. They don't. Honestly, its completely moot, anyways.

Everyone remembers the McDonalds sword mass murders of the 1500s.

There was a time when there were no guns...genius....and what was life like back then?

The strong raped, robbed, murdered and enslaved the weak...and the weak had to just accept it......swords, bows and axes allowed the strong to enslave everyone who was weaker....

Guns allowed civilization to be created...where peace became common rather than non existent...the weak could fight off the strong and more numerous attackers...

You want us to go back to that violence Look up the mongols, the Zulu, the Samurai, the middle ages.......peasants controlled and brutalized by the strong...until guns came along....and that ended...

Education and liberty allowed civilization to be created. Guns were just an enforcement tool.

And still are.

I have no interest in banning guns. I want to regulate the people using them.

 

[cnm]

Nope..not even close

Invincible ignorance is named for a reason.

 

[TNHarley]

What does that have to do with us? You think we are alike enough to HONESTLY compare it?
We have over 330M here, we have a native urban culture, so many differences to list.
It isn't that black and white.
Its like people refer to socialist countries as having all this free shit and they do fine. Then you look at suicide rates and violent crime.. Its not black and white, its a Crayola 64 crayon pack.

Oh, it's black and white alright. No guns, no shootings. But it won't happen like that here because too many of you apparently feel it shouldn't, and this is a democracy. Although it is entirely defeating to have this discussion on USMB, with its conservative majority, I think a good part of the country may feel differently about it though. We'll see.

Its not black and white when you compare it to other countries. There are variables. Basic math..
Of course if there was no guns, there would be no shootings. Probably a lot of sword fighting and fertilizer bombing, though. Lol
But this country has second amendment rights. They don't. Honestly, its completely moot, anyways.

Everyone remembers the McDonalds sword mass murders of the 1500s.

There was a time when there were no guns...genius....and what was life like back then?

The strong raped, robbed, murdered and enslaved the weak...and the weak had to just accept it......swords, bows and axes allowed the strong to enslave everyone who was weaker....

Guns allowed civilization to be created...where peace became common rather than non existent...the weak could fight off the strong and more numerous attackers...

You want us to go back to that violence Look up the mongols, the Zulu, the Samurai, the middle ages.......peasants controlled and brutalized by the strong...until guns came along....and that ended...

Education and liberty allowed civilization to be created. Guns were just an enforcement tool.

And still are.

I have no interest in banning guns. I want to regulate the people using them.

yes. education would have beat those british back to Europe!

 

[cnm]

America could only hope to have those kinds of murder rates.

Note firearms homicides are not mentioned in that so called 'evidence'. Funny that.

 

[Auld Phart]

Read my whole post!

I did and carefully stripped out every part that has nothing to do with disputing that there is no absolute right to gun ownership and handling.

Government has a right to regulate guns and they SHOULD regulate them and there is no reason to think that can't be part of the solution.

How is regulating guns going to solve the problem with illegal guns? Goddamn WHY DO I HAVE TO KEEP ASKING THAT?
Because you are all regurgitating hacks!
How is regulating guns going to stop suicide by gun? Make a gun harder to get, but they still kill themselves.
Throwing themselves in front of buses must be better than blowing their brains out.
GENIUS
READ THE OP AND THINK

We have states that regulate guns and we have states where you can walk into a store, buy a gun no questions asked, and then go back to your regulated state. You really don't see any problem some Federal regulation can't fix?

we have states where you can walk into a store, buy a gun no questions asked, and then go back to your regulated state.

Which state allows stores to sell firearms to an out of stater without running a background check?

It is illegal to sell firearms to an out of State person in all STATES. The only accepted method is to go back to your home State get an FFL to contact the FFL in the other States and ship weapons between them and then buy in Home State.

I know.

the person I replied to seemed to have different information.

Oddly, I didn't get a response from him

 

[Eaglewings]

As you know Harley, my neighbor killed his son and then himself like a damn ass coward.i did hear that the son did fight him he was a grown young adult...But he was shot...The dad was mentally ill and should not have had the gun...Perhaps if he just had a knife the son may have survived.

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[Hum Dinger]

There are lots and lots of ideas on how to reduce gun violence, some good some not so good.

But the fact is that every suggestion to reduce gun violence threatens the profits of the gun manufacturers.

So, given today's politics, there is no way any solution to gun violence will be instituted.

 

[ricechickie]

Oh, it's black and white alright. No guns, no shootings. But it won't happen like that here because too many of you apparently feel it shouldn't, and this is a democracy. Although it is entirely defeating to have this discussion on USMB, with its conservative majority, I think a good part of the country may feel differently about it though. We'll see.

Its not black and white when you compare it to other countries. There are variables. Basic math..
Of course if there was no guns, there would be no shootings. Probably a lot of sword fighting and fertilizer bombing, though. Lol
But this country has second amendment rights. They don't. Honestly, its completely moot, anyways.

Everyone remembers the McDonalds sword mass murders of the 1500s.

There was a time when there were no guns...genius....and what was life like back then?

The strong raped, robbed, murdered and enslaved the weak...and the weak had to just accept it......swords, bows and axes allowed the strong to enslave everyone who was weaker....

Guns allowed civilization to be created...where peace became common rather than non existent...the weak could fight off the strong and more numerous attackers...

You want us to go back to that violence Look up the mongols, the Zulu, the Samurai, the middle ages.......peasants controlled and brutalized by the strong...until guns came along....and that ended...

Education and liberty allowed civilization to be created. Guns were just an enforcement tool.

And still are.

I have no interest in banning guns. I want to regulate the people using them.

yes. education would have beat those british back to Europe!

Ever hear of Thomas Paine?

 

[TNHarley]

There are lots and lots of ideas on how to reduce gun violence, some good some not so good.

But the fact is that every suggestion to reduce gun violence threatens the profits of the gun manufacturers.

So, given today's politics, there is no way any solution to gun violence will be instituted.

what are the good ones?

 

[TNHarley]

As you know Harley, my neighbor killed his son and then himself like a damn ass coward.i did hear that the son did fight him he was a grown young adult...But he was shot...The dad was mentally ill and should not have had the gun...Perhaps if he just had a knife the son may have survived.

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Very true.

 

[Auld Phart]

the 'well regulated militia' is not who the right was given to

It was the reason for it, and the well regulated militia is the people.

Considering only males between the ages of 16-45 could join the militia, your interpretation would have left all females, and men under the age of 16 and over the age of 45 bereft of the right to arms.

 

[TNHarley]

Its not black and white when you compare it to other countries. There are variables. Basic math..
Of course if there was no guns, there would be no shootings. Probably a lot of sword fighting and fertilizer bombing, though. Lol
But this country has second amendment rights. They don't. Honestly, its completely moot, anyways.

Everyone remembers the McDonalds sword mass murders of the 1500s.

There was a time when there were no guns...genius....and what was life like back then?

The strong raped, robbed, murdered and enslaved the weak...and the weak had to just accept it......swords, bows and axes allowed the strong to enslave everyone who was weaker....

Guns allowed civilization to be created...where peace became common rather than non existent...the weak could fight off the strong and more numerous attackers...

You want us to go back to that violence Look up the mongols, the Zulu, the Samurai, the middle ages.......peasants controlled and brutalized by the strong...until guns came along....and that ended...

Education and liberty allowed civilization to be created. Guns were just an enforcement tool.

And still are.

I have no interest in banning guns. I want to regulate the people using them.

yes. education would have beat those british back to Europe!

Ever hear of Thomas Paine?

yes lol

 

[OldLady]

Long prison sentences just kick the can down the road. Strict prison sentences do not act as a deterrent. Criminals are impulsive; they act first and think later, if at all.

And then they are institutionalised after a long sentence. Good if you're a private prison investor. Bad for everyone else.

I know one guy who told me that prison was good for him--he finally got a long enough bid in prison to be sent to the prison with a really intense, effective drug/alcohol rehab program. It allowed him to get sober and STAY that way when he was released, by having a highly structured release program that was heavy on supervision, a half-way house for a mandatory amount of time and then some financial assistance and help with job searching that tapered off over time so he could find a decent job and get back on his feet while still being sober. He'd been clean for years, had a family, was doing well. All thanks to prison. That program has been cut to the quick--the after care program after release is totally gone. He was lucky he was incarcerated when he was. The majority of people I've known who were in prison came out "clean" and then were back in the life within a year, at most. Employers don't want to hire them, a lot of places (including any federally funded housing) won't rent to them--it's impossible to get back on your feet even though you've served your time. I'm not saying people shouldn't pay a price for assault, repeated drunk driving, serious crimes.

Lets get to the bottom of the pandemic of suicides and gang violence with guns.
I am ready to solve this issue!
We obviously cant stop suicides. We could take their gun, but it will still happen. But we could take the gun, and they can use a knife and slit their throat. Or throw themselves in front of a bus. Maybe that's better? So there goes the number one cause of gun murder.
Gang violence. Most of them use illegal guns. So how do we curb that?
I don't want to hear no bullshit about background checks on private transactions or limited magazines or the same worn out clichés the gun grabbers use on a daily basis. Id like to work on ACTUAL solutions instead of reducing liberties for the majority of the country.
Lets work and ACTUALLY figure out a solution!
Whos with me?

The last two times I've seen in depth discussions about curbing illegal guns, research and law enforcement ALL agree that gun registration is part of the answer so the gun can be traced and the owner who released it into the illegal market can be held accountable. Of course, combating gangs by stopping the cartels from entering the country is a good first step. Combating the MARKET for drugs is harder and something the Republicans have been extremely reluctant to spend money on. Investing in programs to keep kids busy and productive and OUT of gangs at age 12 or whatever, and finding ways to influence massive amounts of economic growth into cities with gang problems is another way. When selling drugs is the best paying job in the neighborhood, it's an impossible mission.

Gun registration is not part of the solution.....

Haynes v. United States Supreme court ruling states that felons are not required by law to register their illegal guns......

Gun registration is only desired by anti gunners because it removes a step in the proces of banning guns...it does nothing to stop gun crime or mass shootings.

The only solution...long prison sentences.

Long prison sentences just kick the can down the road. Strict prison sentences do not act as a deterrent. Criminals are impulsive; they act first and think later, if at all.

but it would still be a good solution, short term. And not infringe on innocent peoples rights.

We already imprison a much higher percent of our population than China or Russia, those bastions of authoritarian government. Our system doesn't "reform" prisoners or "correct" them. It is a holding pattern only, putting off the day when they will be released and offend again. It's expensive feeding and housing all those people and it doesn't buy us much in the long run. I'm not saying prison is not necessary, but there have to be better ways to use our pennies.

 

[TNHarley]

Long prison sentences just kick the can down the road. Strict prison sentences do not act as a deterrent. Criminals are impulsive; they act first and think later, if at all.

And then they are institutionalised after a long sentence. Good if you're a private prison investor. Bad for everyone else.

I know one guy who told me that prison was good for him--he finally got a long enough bid in prison to be sent to the prison with a really intense, effective drug/alcohol rehab program. It allowed him to get sober and STAY that way when he was released, by having a highly structured release program that was heavy on supervision, a half-way house for a mandatory amount of time and then some financial assistance and help with job searching that tapered off over time so he could find a decent job and get back on his feet while still being sober. He'd been clean for years, had a family, was doing well. All thanks to prison. That program has been cut to the quick--the after care program after release is totally gone. He was lucky he was incarcerated when he was. The majority of people I've known who were in prison came out "clean" and then were back in the life within a year, at most. Employers don't want to hire them, a lot of places (including any federally funded housing) won't rent to them--it's impossible to get back on your feet even though you've served your time. I'm not saying people shouldn't pay a price for assault, repeated drunk driving, serious crimes.

Lets get to the bottom of the pandemic of suicides and gang violence with guns.
I am ready to solve this issue!
We obviously cant stop suicides. We could take their gun, but it will still happen. But we could take the gun, and they can use a knife and slit their throat. Or throw themselves in front of a bus. Maybe that's better? So there goes the number one cause of gun murder.
Gang violence. Most of them use illegal guns. So how do we curb that?
I don't want to hear no bullshit about background checks on private transactions or limited magazines or the same worn out clichés the gun grabbers use on a daily basis. Id like to work on ACTUAL solutions instead of reducing liberties for the majority of the country.
Lets work and ACTUALLY figure out a solution!
Whos with me?

The last two times I've seen in depth discussions about curbing illegal guns, research and law enforcement ALL agree that gun registration is part of the answer so the gun can be traced and the owner who released it into the illegal market can be held accountable. Of course, combating gangs by stopping the cartels from entering the country is a good first step. Combating the MARKET for drugs is harder and something the Republicans have been extremely reluctant to spend money on. Investing in programs to keep kids busy and productive and OUT of gangs at age 12 or whatever, and finding ways to influence massive amounts of economic growth into cities with gang problems is another way. When selling drugs is the best paying job in the neighborhood, it's an impossible mission.

Gun registration is not part of the solution.....

Haynes v. United States Supreme court ruling states that felons are not required by law to register their illegal guns......

Gun registration is only desired by anti gunners because it removes a step in the proces of banning guns...it does nothing to stop gun crime or mass shootings.

The only solution...long prison sentences.

Long prison sentences just kick the can down the road. Strict prison sentences do not act as a deterrent. Criminals are impulsive; they act first and think later, if at all.

but it would still be a good solution, short term. And not infringe on innocent peoples rights.

We already imprison a much higher percent of our population than China or Russia, those bastions of authoritarian government. Our system doesn't "reform" prisoners or "correct" them. It is a holding pattern only, putting off the day when they will be released and offend again. It's expensive feeding and housing all those people and it doesn't buy us much in the long run. I'm not saying prison is not necessary, but there have to be better ways to use our pennies.

yes, we have a pot problem. It is illegal.. People will spend a year in prison for a ounce of pot when our bankers that willfully helped screw up our economy and low/middle class didn't get SHIT. Sorry for the partial rant lol...
You are probably right but I would rather them be in prison than out on the streets. I guess we could execute them

 

[Auld Phart]

Long prison sentences just kick the can down the road. Strict prison sentences do not act as a deterrent. Criminals are impulsive; they act first and think later, if at all.

And then they are institutionalised after a long sentence. Good if you're a private prison investor. Bad for everyone else.

I know one guy who told me that prison was good for him--he finally got a long enough bid in prison to be sent to the prison with a really intense, effective drug/alcohol rehab program. It allowed him to get sober and STAY that way when he was released, by having a highly structured release program that was heavy on supervision, a half-way house for a mandatory amount of time and then some financial assistance and help with job searching that tapered off over time so he could find a decent job and get back on his feet while still being sober. He'd been clean for years, had a family, was doing well. All thanks to prison. That program has been cut to the quick--the after care program after release is totally gone. He was lucky he was incarcerated when he was. The majority of people I've known who were in prison came out "clean" and then were back in the life within a year, at most. Employers don't want to hire them, a lot of places (including any federally funded housing) won't rent to them--it's impossible to get back on your feet even though you've served your time. I'm not saying people shouldn't pay a price for assault, repeated drunk driving, serious crimes.

Lets get to the bottom of the pandemic of suicides and gang violence with guns.
I am ready to solve this issue!
We obviously cant stop suicides. We could take their gun, but it will still happen. But we could take the gun, and they can use a knife and slit their throat. Or throw themselves in front of a bus. Maybe that's better? So there goes the number one cause of gun murder.
Gang violence. Most of them use illegal guns. So how do we curb that?
I don't want to hear no bullshit about background checks on private transactions or limited magazines or the same worn out clichés the gun grabbers use on a daily basis. Id like to work on ACTUAL solutions instead of reducing liberties for the majority of the country.
Lets work and ACTUALLY figure out a solution!
Whos with me?

The last two times I've seen in depth discussions about curbing illegal guns, research and law enforcement ALL agree that gun registration is part of the answer so the gun can be traced and the owner who released it into the illegal market can be held accountable. Of course, combating gangs by stopping the cartels from entering the country is a good first step. Combating the MARKET for drugs is harder and something the Republicans have been extremely reluctant to spend money on. Investing in programs to keep kids busy and productive and OUT of gangs at age 12 or whatever, and finding ways to influence massive amounts of economic growth into cities with gang problems is another way. When selling drugs is the best paying job in the neighborhood, it's an impossible mission.

Gun registration is not part of the solution.....

Haynes v. United States Supreme court ruling states that felons are not required by law to register their illegal guns......

Gun registration is only desired by anti gunners because it removes a step in the proces of banning guns...it does nothing to stop gun crime or mass shootings.

The only solution...long prison sentences.

Long prison sentences just kick the can down the road. Strict prison sentences do not act as a deterrent. Criminals are impulsive; they act first and think later, if at all.

but it would still be a good solution, short term. And not infringe on innocent peoples rights.

We already imprison a much higher percent of our population than China or Russia, those bastions of authoritarian government. Our system doesn't "reform" prisoners or "correct" them. It is a holding pattern only, putting off the day when they will be released and offend again. It's expensive feeding and housing all those people and it doesn't buy us much in the long run. I'm not saying prison is not necessary, but there have to be better ways to use our pennies.

I remember one inmate telling me it was his job to be a criminal.

and he'd put down any inmates that gave the COs a hassle.

as he explained it, by committing crimes, he kept the police, lawyers, judges and COs employed.

 

[Hum Dinger]

Guns should be bonded!

I know that this would mean that only wealthy people could own guns, but if your poor and you think it's a good idea to spend your money on a gun, you're exactly the type of person that should not own a gun.