Im ready to curb gun murders. Lets work together

[2aguy]

and it isn't working in Australia, Britain, France or Belgium...or Europe...

Except for the lower rates of firearms homicides it's a complete failure, agreed.

They have a lower rate of non gun homicide too....it isn't the gun, it is the criminal culture...they do not commit murder as often as our criminals do...and if you stopped focusing on the gun, and actually looked at the criminals, you would see that.

 

[cnm]

Evidence?

Please. Think of the narrative before you make those sorts of requests.

 

[TNHarley]

How about we ban Chicago, DC, LA, Memphis and Detroit area?
That might help with the gang problem.

If you want to ease gang violence you have to ease the cause of gang culture. Stop generation poverty, stop the oppression of minority communities, raise wages, lower costs of education etc. etc. You can not address gang violence without addressing the causing factors.

So discriminating economic policies for blacks isn't enough? What else do they need? I damn sure wont wipe their ass after a big dump!

discriminating economic policies for blacks? Lol.... like what exactly?

I love when white men think equality is the same thing as white oppression. Gives me butterflies in my tummy.

AA? Special scholarships just for being black. All kinds of govt sponsored shit just for being black. Why act so coy?
I love it when white people pretend to understand what black people need. You leftists have been preaching about it for decades with nothing to show for it. Try something new

You're whining. Get back to the issue at hand.

Economic problems from urbanites aren't a problem? Color me shocked

 

[2aguy]

enforcing it is the problem

With handguns and military style semi-automatics effectively banned, practically they can be confiscated any time they're seen. Which of course means major restrictions are placed on their sales.

Except for the natural right to self defense and the 2nd Amendment....and it isn't working in Australia, Britain, France or Belgium...or Europe...

Evidence?

Australia....

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

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Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

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While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

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These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

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Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.
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The second part of the series....
Gun city: Gunslingers of the North West


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'Thousands' of illegal guns tipped to be handed over in firearms amnesty

Asked roughly how many he expected to be handed in, Mr Keenan said: "Look I certainly think the number will be in the thousands."

The Australian Crime Commission estimated in 2012 there were at least 250,000 illegal guns in Australia. But a Senate report noted last year it was impossible to estimate how many illicit weapons are out there.

But....military weapons?

And despite Australia's strict border controls, the smuggling of high-powered military-style firearms is also a growing problem.

 

[Aries]

there is an doc that traces gun makers outta south american....and how illegal gun prices become so inflated...

In California, some gun smugglers use FedEx. In Chicago, smugglers drive just across the state line into Indiana, buy a gun and drive back. In Orlando, Fla., smugglers have been known to fill a $500 car with guns and send it on a ship to crime rings in Puerto Rico.

In response to mass shootings in the last few years, more than 20 states, including some of the nation’s biggest, have passed new laws restricting how people can buy and carry guns. Yet the effect of those laws has been significantly diluted by a thriving underground market for firearms brought from states with few restrictions.

About 50,000 guns are found to be diverted to criminals across state lines every year, federal data shows, and many more are likely to cross state lines undetected.

In New York and New Jersey, which have some of the strictest laws in the country, more than two-thirds of guns tied to criminal activity were traced to out-of-state purchases in 2014. Many were brought in via the so-called Iron Pipeline, made up of Interstate 95 and its tributary highways, from Southern states with weaker gun laws, like Virginia, Georgia and Florida.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/12/us/gun-traffickers-smuggling-state-gun-laws.html

if we are gonna deal with facts

Sorry..doesn't wash....

Chicago gangs face the same gun laws as New York and L.A.......and kill far more people than either city.......New York is on the border of gun states...and kill fewer people than Chicago does....the pipeline myth is a myth...it is the culture of the criminals in the democrat cities that drives gun crime....L.A. gangs have access to gun states too...and kill fewer people than Chicago gangs....

The pipeline myth is a gun grabber fantasy.....

The "culture of criminals" can easily be

If you want to ease gang violence you have to ease the cause of gang culture. Stop generation poverty, stop the oppression of minority communities, raise wages, lower costs of education etc. etc. You can not address gang violence without addressing the causing factors.

So discriminating economic policies for blacks isn't enough? What else do they need? I damn sure wont wipe their ass after a big dump!

discriminating economic policies for blacks? Lol.... like what exactly?

I love when white men think equality is the same thing as white oppression. Gives me butterflies in my tummy.

AA? Special scholarships just for being black. All kinds of govt sponsored shit just for being black. Why act so coy?
I love it when white people pretend to understand what black people need. You leftists have been preaching about it for decades with nothing to show for it. Try something new

You understand all of those things were necessary to start leveling the playing field right? You understand that before those laws african americans were discriminated against to the point that their community was unable to progress at all. You understand that discrimination is wrong, right? So if US colleges aren't taking african americans, there needs to be legislation to reverse the negative affect.

if discrimination is wrong, why does every other race get discriminated against then? USe discrimination to fight discrimination? That sounds insane.

So you admit that you feel as though equality for minorities is racist against whites?

 

[Pogo]

Same reason I laugh when someone brings up owning a nuke

Armament and ordinance, not arms, involved

Ffs. What a maroon.

Arms Collins English Dictionary
plural noun1.
weapons collectively​

Another worthy point. According to the 2A I should be able to own nukes. As well as tanks, planes, more conventional missiles or anything at all whether already invented or in the future. I should have the right to have frickin' laser beams embedded in my head. Death rays.

There's prolly not a lot of support for personal nukes, planes, tanks, etc even if they were affordable. Somehow the fundies back down at that point. So in effect we're talking a matter of degree. Somewhere between a nuke and a musket. Or to quote the punchline of an old joke, "we've already established that --- now we're just haggling over the price".

 

[TNHarley]

Lets get to the bottom of the pandemic of suicides and gang violence with guns.
I am ready to solve this issue!
We obviously cant stop suicides. We could take their gun, but it will still happen. But we could take the gun, and they can use a knife and slit their throat. Or throw themselves in front of a bus. Maybe that's better? So there goes the number one cause of gun murder.
Gang violence. Most of them use illegal guns. So how do we curb that?
I don't want to hear no bullshit about background checks on private transactions or limited magazines or the same worn out clichés the gun grabbers use on a daily basis. Id like to work on ACTUAL solutions instead of reducing liberties for the majority of the country.
Lets work and ACTUALLY figure out a solution!
Whos with me?

The last two times I've seen in depth discussions about curbing illegal guns, research and law enforcement ALL agree that gun registration is part of the answer so the gun can be traced and the owner who released it into the illegal market can be held accountable. Of course, combating gangs by stopping the cartels from entering the country is a good first step. Combating the MARKET for drugs is harder and something the Republicans have been extremely reluctant to spend money on. Investing in programs to keep kids busy and productive and OUT of gangs at age 12 or whatever, and finding ways to influence massive amounts of economic growth into cities with gang problems is another way. When selling drugs is the best paying job in the neighborhood, it's an impossible mission.

Gun registration is not part of the solution.....

Haynes v. United States Supreme court ruling states that felons are not required by law to register their illegal guns......

Gun registration is only desired by anti gunners because it removes a step in the proces of banning guns...it does nothing to stop gun crime or mass shootings.

The only solution...long prison sentences.

Long prison sentences just kick the can down the road. Strict prison sentences do not act as a deterrent. Criminals are impulsive; they act first and think later, if at all.

but it would still be a good solution, short term. And not infringe on innocent peoples rights.

 

[TNHarley]

there is an doc that traces gun makers outta south american....and how illegal gun prices become so inflated...

In California, some gun smugglers use FedEx. In Chicago, smugglers drive just across the state line into Indiana, buy a gun and drive back. In Orlando, Fla., smugglers have been known to fill a $500 car with guns and send it on a ship to crime rings in Puerto Rico.

In response to mass shootings in the last few years, more than 20 states, including some of the nation’s biggest, have passed new laws restricting how people can buy and carry guns. Yet the effect of those laws has been significantly diluted by a thriving underground market for firearms brought from states with few restrictions.

About 50,000 guns are found to be diverted to criminals across state lines every year, federal data shows, and many more are likely to cross state lines undetected.

In New York and New Jersey, which have some of the strictest laws in the country, more than two-thirds of guns tied to criminal activity were traced to out-of-state purchases in 2014. Many were brought in via the so-called Iron Pipeline, made up of Interstate 95 and its tributary highways, from Southern states with weaker gun laws, like Virginia, Georgia and Florida.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/12/us/gun-traffickers-smuggling-state-gun-laws.html

if we are gonna deal with facts

Sorry..doesn't wash....

Chicago gangs face the same gun laws as New York and L.A.......and kill far more people than either city.......New York is on the border of gun states...and kill fewer people than Chicago does....the pipeline myth is a myth...it is the culture of the criminals in the democrat cities that drives gun crime....L.A. gangs have access to gun states too...and kill fewer people than Chicago gangs....

The pipeline myth is a gun grabber fantasy.....

The "culture of criminals" can easily be

So discriminating economic policies for blacks isn't enough? What else do they need? I damn sure wont wipe their ass after a big dump!

discriminating economic policies for blacks? Lol.... like what exactly?

I love when white men think equality is the same thing as white oppression. Gives me butterflies in my tummy.

AA? Special scholarships just for being black. All kinds of govt sponsored shit just for being black. Why act so coy?
I love it when white people pretend to understand what black people need. You leftists have been preaching about it for decades with nothing to show for it. Try something new

You understand all of those things were necessary to start leveling the playing field right? You understand that before those laws african americans were discriminated against to the point that their community was unable to progress at all. You understand that discrimination is wrong, right? So if US colleges aren't taking african americans, there needs to be legislation to reverse the negative affect.

if discrimination is wrong, why does every other race get discriminated against then? USe discrimination to fight discrimination? That sounds insane.

So you admit that you feel as though equality for minorities is racist against whites?

I didn't say racist, I said discrimination.
You said discrimination is bad but justify it in the same post. Insane.

 

[2aguy]

enforcing it is the problem

With handguns and military style semi-automatics effectively banned, practically they can be confiscated any time they're seen. Which of course means major restrictions are placed on their sales.

Except for the natural right to self defense and the 2nd Amendment....and it isn't working in Australia, Britain, France or Belgium...or Europe...

Evidence?

Britain....

Homicides in England and Wales up 14%

The police-recorded crime figures include a 9% rise in knife crime and a 4% rise in gun crime, which are thought to reflect a rise in gang violence largely in London and Manchester.

The rise in gun crime is the first recorded for eight years and includes a 10% rise in London.


Rising number of guns being smuggled into UK, Metropolitan police say

More guns are being seized in cities across Britain as the number of firearms being smuggled into the country increases, Britain’s most senior police officer has said.

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, the Metropolitan police commissioner, told a hearing at London’s City Hall that a rise in gun crime in the capital was being put down to an increase in the number of weapons coming into the country.

The Met seized a “worrying” record number of weapons in 2015, including semiautomatic guns, Hogan-Howe said.

“We’ve seized more firearms than ever before,” he said. “In the previous year [2015] we’ve seized 714 guns – that’s around two per day. In a city this size, that’s a worrying number. This is an increase on previous years. Some of them are semiautomatic weapons, too.

“If you look around the big cities of the country, they are seeing a similar profile. Manchester, Birmingham, Leeds, Liverpool – they are seeing big rises as well.”

 

[RetiredGySgt]

So few occur now what is the problem?

Well if you're not ready to curb gun murders this probably isn't the thread for you.

I am NOT ready to deny 320 million people their Constitutional rights because a minuscule number of people die each year due to criminal activity.

 

[TNHarley]

Same reason I laugh when someone brings up owning a nuke

Armament and ordinance, not arms, involved

Ffs. What a maroon.

Arms Collins English Dictionary
plural noun1.
weapons collectively​

Another worthy point. According to the 2A I should be able to own nukes. As well as tanks, planes, more conventional missiles or anything at all whether already invented or in the future. I should have the right to have frickin' laser beams embedded in my head. Death rays.

There's prolly not a lot of support for personal nukes, planes, tanks, etc even if they were affordable. Somehow the fundies back down at that point. So in effect we're talking a matter of degree. Somewhere between a nuke and a musket. Or to quote the punchline of an old joke, "we've already established that --- now we're just haggling over the price".

damn right you should. We should have whatever the military has.
But nukes shouldn't be a thing anyways. I wish nuclear weapons would disappear forever :/

 

[2aguy]

Lets get to the bottom of the pandemic of suicides and gang violence with guns.
I am ready to solve this issue!
We obviously cant stop suicides. We could take their gun, but it will still happen. But we could take the gun, and they can use a knife and slit their throat. Or throw themselves in front of a bus. Maybe that's better? So there goes the number one cause of gun murder.
Gang violence. Most of them use illegal guns. So how do we curb that?
I don't want to hear no bullshit about background checks on private transactions or limited magazines or the same worn out clichés the gun grabbers use on a daily basis. Id like to work on ACTUAL solutions instead of reducing liberties for the majority of the country.
Lets work and ACTUALLY figure out a solution!
Whos with me?

The last two times I've seen in depth discussions about curbing illegal guns, research and law enforcement ALL agree that gun registration is part of the answer so the gun can be traced and the owner who released it into the illegal market can be held accountable. Of course, combating gangs by stopping the cartels from entering the country is a good first step. Combating the MARKET for drugs is harder and something the Republicans have been extremely reluctant to spend money on. Investing in programs to keep kids busy and productive and OUT of gangs at age 12 or whatever, and finding ways to influence massive amounts of economic growth into cities with gang problems is another way. When selling drugs is the best paying job in the neighborhood, it's an impossible mission.

Gun registration is not part of the solution.....

Haynes v. United States Supreme court ruling states that felons are not required by law to register their illegal guns......

Gun registration is only desired by anti gunners because it removes a step in the proces of banning guns...it does nothing to stop gun crime or mass shootings.

The only solution...long prison sentences.

Long prison sentences just kick the can down the road. Strict prison sentences do not act as a deterrent. Criminals are impulsive; they act first and think later, if at all.

No..they don't....they keep the people who will actually use guns to commit crimes and murder away from law abiding people...and they keep up and coming criminals from using guns as often....this is how Japan lowered their gun crime rate.....

 

[Auld Phart]

Note the word 'carry'

Note the arms of a well regulated militia.

the 'well regulated militia' is not who the right was given to

 

[2aguy]

Lets get to the bottom of the pandemic of suicides and gang violence with guns.
I am ready to solve this issue!
We obviously cant stop suicides. We could take their gun, but it will still happen. But we could take the gun, and they can use a knife and slit their throat. Or throw themselves in front of a bus. Maybe that's better? So there goes the number one cause of gun murder.
Gang violence. Most of them use illegal guns. So how do we curb that?
I don't want to hear no bullshit about background checks on private transactions or limited magazines or the same worn out clichés the gun grabbers use on a daily basis. Id like to work on ACTUAL solutions instead of reducing liberties for the majority of the country.
Lets work and ACTUALLY figure out a solution!
Whos with me?

As I've been yammering since literally the day I got here right between Jovan Belcher/Bob Costas and Sandy Hook --- it takes cultural change.

Throw laws at the problem and people who want to will go around those laws. Doesn't work. That's treating the symptom and ignoring the disease.

We hear of a Sandy Hook and we claim to be horrified. If that were true, if we truly were horrified, we wouldn't be living in a place where it would even occur to the Lanzas and the Klebolds and the Loughners and the Holmses to go out in public and emulate what they see on TV every night, what they see in every movie house, what they played with as kids. Because those would be horrifying too. We should be unable to watch a scene like that and then simply go to sleep as if nothing happened. We are a culture that worships guns and death and destruction and carnage, and that, the first step is to understand and acknowledge, is the disease.

You can never stop gun murder altogether. You can never stop cigarette smoking altogether either. But we drove the latter WAY down, not by throwing laws at it but by making it socially uncool. That's the direct approach.

EXCELLENT post, pogo. Thank you.
Are you referring to something like "social shaming?"

That's one manifestation. I'd point the crosshairs more at "social deprivation". IOW when some kid sees an AK or watches a hail of movie bullets mow people down and goes "wow, that's cool" --- the rest of us should force him to explain why. And confront it.

That could lead to a long term dent in in the problem. Might take a while, but it would be worth the wait! Thank you!

It definitely takes a while. It's an entire shift of consciousness. It's a direct assault on the idea that spraying bullets on helpless bystanders and watching globules of flesh and blood fly into the air is a cool thing rather than something that should literally make us puke. And such infantile fantasies are deeply rooted in emotion devoid of rationality. Here's an example:

I mentioned Bob Costas, meaning a Monday Night Football commentary he did after Jovan Belcher's murder-suicide. Go find that video on YouTube --- there are hundreds of uploads --- and every last one describes the commentary as a "gun control rant" ----

​

Go ahead -- look this up in the YouTube search bar and try to find one of them that doesn't call it about "gun control".

And yet --- nowhere in the entire commentary does Costas ever mention or allude to gun control in any way at all. Never mentions any laws or proposes one. Never mentions Constitutional rights or any kind of restrictions whatsoever. His entire rant is about culture. The culture that solves a problem by shooting it.

Yet the gun fetishists who presumably seek to show off some kind of testosterone thing, can't find the guts to take the point on its own terms --- they need to pretend it's about "gun control" and turn it into something personal where their own personal pacifier is being taken away because "hey, my carnage fantasies are way more important than those twenty kids and if I forgot to mention it, me me me".

That's what I mean by an infantile emotional fetish. So yeah there's most definitely work to do.

When I came to this site on this issue, the hot button at the time, I kept noting the infantile pattern of defensiveness against anybody who dared speak to bring the issue up:

"Bob Costas should be fired".
"David Gregory should be arrested".
"Piers Morgan should be deported".

There's the disease --- the irrational fetish.

He is a sports castor.....they don't want his politics getting in the way of his job......

 

[ricechickie]

If you want to ease gang violence you have to ease the cause of gang culture. Stop generation poverty, stop the oppression of minority communities, raise wages, lower costs of education etc. etc. You can not address gang violence without addressing the causing factors.

So discriminating economic policies for blacks isn't enough? What else do they need? I damn sure wont wipe their ass after a big dump!

discriminating economic policies for blacks? Lol.... like what exactly?

I love when white men think equality is the same thing as white oppression. Gives me butterflies in my tummy.

AA? Special scholarships just for being black. All kinds of govt sponsored shit just for being black. Why act so coy?
I love it when white people pretend to understand what black people need. You leftists have been preaching about it for decades with nothing to show for it. Try something new

As opposed to the right's policy of..........

Hmm.

Don't bring partisan politics into this. I never claimed those dumbfucks had a solution.
Partisan politics don't work with me. I hate both parties.

Hmmm. Well you only spoke out of the right side of your mouth in that answer.

Don't let the perfect become an enemy of the good. No policy is going to be 100% effective for whatever problem we are combating.

 

[2aguy]

So you don't think we are getting illegal guns from overseas?
Is there a solution to curb gun circulation without infringing on rights of law abiding people?

I don't think so, TN. However, in a complex society, "rights" come with responsibilities. When our country has the highest gun homicide rate of all civilized nations, perhaps it is time for everyone to take some responsibility for the innocents that are shot every day.

What does that have to do with us? You think we are alike enough to HONESTLY compare it?
We have over 330M here, we have a native urban culture, so many differences to list.
It isn't that black and white.
Its like people refer to socialist countries as having all this free shit and they do fine. Then you look at suicide rates and violent crime.. Its not black and white, its a Crayola 64 crayon pack.

Oh, it's black and white alright. No guns, no shootings. But it won't happen like that here because too many of you apparently feel it shouldn't, and this is a democracy. Although it is entirely defeating to have this discussion on USMB, with its conservative majority, I think a good part of the country may feel differently about it though. We'll see.

Its not black and white when you compare it to other countries. There are variables. Basic math..
Of course if there was no guns, there would be no shootings. Probably a lot of sword fighting and fertilizer bombing, though. Lol
But this country has second amendment rights. They don't. Honestly, its completely moot, anyways.

Everyone remembers the McDonalds sword mass murders of the 1500s.

There was a time when there were no guns...genius....and what was life like back then?

The strong raped, robbed, murdered and enslaved the weak...and the weak had to just accept it......swords, bows and axes allowed the strong to enslave everyone who was weaker....

Guns allowed civilization to be created...where peace became common rather than non existent...the weak could fight off the strong and more numerous attackers...

You want us to go back to that violence Look up the mongols, the Zulu, the Samurai, the middle ages.......peasants controlled and brutalized by the strong...until guns came along....and that ended...

 

[2aguy]

So seeing as gang members are the number two cause of high gun death, you want to ban guns form law abiding citizens. So, in essence, you aren't doing a goddamn thing about the actual problem?
Loon.

The only way to curb illegal guns is to curb the number of guns in circulation, period. Legal guns get rerouted to criminals. Less legal guns, less guns get rerouted.

So you don't think we are getting illegal guns from overseas?
Is there a solution to curb gun circulation without infringing on rights of law abiding people?

I don't think so, TN. However, in a complex society, "rights" come with responsibilities. When our country has the highest gun homicide rate of all civilized nations, perhaps it is time for everyone to take some responsibility for the innocents that are shot every day.

What does that have to do with us? You think we are alike enough to HONESTLY compare it?
We have over 330M here, we have a native urban culture, so many differences to list.
It isn't that black and white.
Its like people refer to socialist countries as having all this free shit and they do fine. Then you look at suicide rates and violent crime.. Its not black and white, its a Crayola 64 crayon pack.

Oh, it's black and white alright. No guns, no shootings. But it won't happen like that here because too many of you apparently feel it shouldn't, and this is a democracy. Although it is entirely defeating to have this discussion on USMB, with its conservative majority, I think a good part of the country may feel differently about it though. We'll see.

Britain banned guns...they have more and more shootings...France banned guns...more and more shootings...dittos Australia...Japan..their society looks down on violence. and puts 30 years on gun criminals...they have less gun crime.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

But you just can't say why?

Read my whole post!

I did and carefully stripped out every part that has nothing to do with disputing that there is no absolute right to gun ownership and handling.

Government has a right to regulate guns and they SHOULD regulate them and there is no reason to think that can't be part of the solution.

How is regulating guns going to solve the problem with illegal guns? Goddamn WHY DO I HAVE TO KEEP ASKING THAT?
Because you are all regurgitating hacks!
How is regulating guns going to stop suicide by gun? Make a gun harder to get, but they still kill themselves.
Throwing themselves in front of buses must be better than blowing their brains out.
GENIUS
READ THE OP AND THINK

We have states that regulate guns and we have states where you can walk into a store, buy a gun no questions asked, and then go back to your regulated state. You really don't see any problem some Federal regulation can't fix?

we have states where you can walk into a store, buy a gun no questions asked, and then go back to your regulated state.

Which state allows stores to sell firearms to an out of stater without running a background check?

It is illegal to sell firearms to an out of State person in all STATES. The only accepted method is to go back to your home State get an FFL to contact the FFL in the other States and ship weapons between them and then buy in Home State.

 

[TNHarley]

So discriminating economic policies for blacks isn't enough? What else do they need? I damn sure wont wipe their ass after a big dump!

discriminating economic policies for blacks? Lol.... like what exactly?

I love when white men think equality is the same thing as white oppression. Gives me butterflies in my tummy.

AA? Special scholarships just for being black. All kinds of govt sponsored shit just for being black. Why act so coy?
I love it when white people pretend to understand what black people need. You leftists have been preaching about it for decades with nothing to show for it. Try something new

As opposed to the right's policy of..........

Hmm.

Don't bring partisan politics into this. I never claimed those dumbfucks had a solution.
Partisan politics don't work with me. I hate both parties.

Hmmm. Well you only spoke out of the right side of your mouth in that answer.

Don't let the perfect become an enemy of the good. No policy is going to be 100% effective for whatever problem we are combating.

I agree 100%. However, after 5 or 6 decades of failure...

 

[TNHarley]

I don't think so, TN. However, in a complex society, "rights" come with responsibilities. When our country has the highest gun homicide rate of all civilized nations, perhaps it is time for everyone to take some responsibility for the innocents that are shot every day.

What does that have to do with us? You think we are alike enough to HONESTLY compare it?
We have over 330M here, we have a native urban culture, so many differences to list.
It isn't that black and white.
Its like people refer to socialist countries as having all this free shit and they do fine. Then you look at suicide rates and violent crime.. Its not black and white, its a Crayola 64 crayon pack.

Oh, it's black and white alright. No guns, no shootings. But it won't happen like that here because too many of you apparently feel it shouldn't, and this is a democracy. Although it is entirely defeating to have this discussion on USMB, with its conservative majority, I think a good part of the country may feel differently about it though. We'll see.

Its not black and white when you compare it to other countries. There are variables. Basic math..
Of course if there was no guns, there would be no shootings. Probably a lot of sword fighting and fertilizer bombing, though. Lol
But this country has second amendment rights. They don't. Honestly, its completely moot, anyways.

Everyone remembers the McDonalds sword mass murders of the 1500s.

There was a time when there were no guns...genius....and what was life like back then?

The strong raped, robbed, murdered and enslaved the weak...and the weak had to just accept it......swords, bows and axes allowed the strong to enslave everyone who was weaker....

Guns allowed civilization to be created...where peace became common rather than non existent...the weak could fight off the strong and more numerous attackers...

You want us to go back to that violence Look up the mongols, the Zulu, the Samurai, the middle ages.......peasants controlled and brutalized by the strong...until guns came along....and that ended...

That's a damn good point.