Im ready to curb gun murders. Lets work together

[Correll]

Because being killed with a knife is better?

Because the thread is about firearms homicides. Perhaps that will sink in to your consciousness after a few repetitions.

you are a loon.

That reminds me. We need to be more ready to institutionalize people who are mentally unstable to the point of being a danger to themselves and others.

MOst homeless should be in loony bins.

unstable people are a problem but I think the solution is so complex, we aren't ready to do it.

Making it easier to lock up dangerously crazy people is not complex, just politically difficult.

 

[Correll]

YOur unhappiness with reality is noted. And dismissed. Because your unhappiness does not trump reality.

You really are one of the dumbest of dumb fuck rightards. If there was such a correlation between illegitimacy and firearms homicide rates then Iceland would have one of the highest firearms homicide rates in the world.

Fuck you.

The internal US numbers show that there is a connection in America between illegitimacy and crime, (and other dysfunctions).

Iceland might be worth looking at to see why it is not a problem THERE, but there is no doubt it is a problem HERE.

And fuck you again, you asshole.

 

[Coyote]

Lets get to the bottom of the pandemic of suicides and gang violence with guns.
I am ready to solve this issue!
We obviously cant stop suicides. We could take their gun, but it will still happen. But we could take the gun, and they can use a knife and slit their throat. Or throw themselves in front of a bus. Maybe that's better? So there goes the number one cause of gun murder.
Gang violence. Most of them use illegal guns. So how do we curb that?
I don't want to hear no bullshit about background checks on private transactions or limited magazines or the same worn out clichés the gun grabbers use on a daily basis. Id like to work on ACTUAL solutions instead of reducing liberties for the majority of the country.
Lets work and ACTUALLY figure out a solution!
Whos with me?

Just on suicides, the wait period before purchasing a gun was designed in hopes of affecting that. Men are most likely to use a gun in a suicide attempt, and the decision to go through with it, is often done on an impulse. The wait period might help with that without significantly reducing liberties.

 

[Fenton Lum]

what is there to CARE about . Suicide is NO problem and shouldn't be used as an excuse to limit my Rights . illegal gun are mostly stolen guns that are gotten through criminal activity . Use a gunsafe if you like but thats about all that can be done TNHarley .

It's the same with healthcare. Sure other societies have done much better at figuring things out beneficially for society as a whole. We're simply not into that as a society; this notion of a socially cooperative approach to society. I do agree that it is not the gun, the issue is the society itself. And our form of governance, being managed outside the reach of the masses, the citizen, by concentrated corporate power/wealth and Wall Street, has no goal other than to extract and concentrate as much societal wealth as possible until collapse.

------------------------------------------------- feck both suicide and other so called societal issues . I am fine where i am and legal guns are all over the place . No gang problems in this neck of the woods Fenton !

Yes, feck it indeed.

 

[Correll]

tn if people are pushed into ghettos with no hope you produce violence and yes i think with better opportunities and education, jobs and some security ...you do realize that gangs provide services ....and that is how they win young people over...in a gang you can make money you have someone to back you up....you have a warm place at night....we look at things from a very privileged white attitude ..how many of us know the true desperation that comes from having nothing and knowing the next day wont be any better...how many nights has one or the other gone to bed hungry or done without? what if you watched them hungry night after night? what would you be driven too and i swear if you say moms house i will kill you lol

you need to find a way to make gangs less cool, and less profitable.

Infiltrate them and use the RICO act on EVERYONE.

Deport every single gang member that can be deported, whether convicted of a crime or not.

deport?

to where?

No place would want, or take them.

(How much longer is the halfllife on Bikini?)

Woe to a nation that won't take back their own citizens.


Then they are stateless people. Tag them with trackers and let them know that being caught in the us is a felony. Build a "refugee camp" on the border with Mexico, and don't patrol the wall with Mexico.

Woe to a nation that won't take back their own citizens.

I was referring to the home grown ones

Some of the home grown ones might qualify for citizenship in other nations, due to having foreign born mothers or fathers. We might be able to deport them, or "encourage" them to move.

 

[Fenton Lum]

YOur unhappiness with reality is noted. And dismissed. Because your unhappiness does not trump reality.

You really are one of the dumbest of dumb fuck rightards. If there was such a correlation between illegitimacy and firearms homicide rates then Iceland would have one of the highest firearms homicide rates in the world.

Fuck you.

The internal US numbers show that there is a connection in America between illegitimacy and crime, (and other dysfunctions).

Iceland might be worth looking at to see why it is not a problem THERE, but there is no doubt it is a problem HERE.

And fuck you again, you asshole.

Data. Does it every time.

 

[Fenton Lum]

you need to find a way to make gangs less cool, and less profitable.

Infiltrate them and use the RICO act on EVERYONE.

Deport every single gang member that can be deported, whether convicted of a crime or not.

deport?

to where?

No place would want, or take them.

(How much longer is the halfllife on Bikini?)

Woe to a nation that won't take back their own citizens.


Then they are stateless people. Tag them with trackers and let them know that being caught in the us is a felony. Build a "refugee camp" on the border with Mexico, and don't patrol the wall with Mexico.

Woe to a nation that won't take back their own citizens.

I was referring to the home grown ones

Some of the home grown ones might qualify for citizenship in other nations, due to having foreign born mothers or fathers. We might be able to deport them, or "encourage" them to move.

You'll have your police state soon enough, be patient.

 

[LaDexter]

Lets work and ACTUALLY figure out a solution!
Whos with me?

This guy, who confiscated all non-Nazi owned guns...

 

[TNHarley]

Lets get to the bottom of the pandemic of suicides and gang violence with guns.
I am ready to solve this issue!
We obviously cant stop suicides. We could take their gun, but it will still happen. But we could take the gun, and they can use a knife and slit their throat. Or throw themselves in front of a bus. Maybe that's better? So there goes the number one cause of gun murder.
Gang violence. Most of them use illegal guns. So how do we curb that?
I don't want to hear no bullshit about background checks on private transactions or limited magazines or the same worn out clichés the gun grabbers use on a daily basis. Id like to work on ACTUAL solutions instead of reducing liberties for the majority of the country.
Lets work and ACTUALLY figure out a solution!
Whos with me?

Just on suicides, the wait period before purchasing a gun was designed in hopes of affecting that. Men are most likely to use a gun in a suicide attempt, and the decision to go through with it, is often done on an impulse. The wait period might help with that without significantly reducing liberties.

Nice. How long would the wait time need to be?
How many people that blow their brains out go and buy the gun for that?

 

[Fenton Lum]

Lets work and ACTUALLY figure out a solution!
Whos with me?

This guy, who confiscated all non-Nazi owned guns...

Yeah, that's eactly what's going on isn't it.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Lets get to the bottom of the pandemic of suicides and gang violence with guns.
I am ready to solve this issue!
We obviously cant stop suicides. We could take their gun, but it will still happen. But we could take the gun, and they can use a knife and slit their throat. Or throw themselves in front of a bus. Maybe that's better? So there goes the number one cause of gun murder.
Gang violence. Most of them use illegal guns. So how do we curb that?
I don't want to hear no bullshit about background checks on private transactions or limited magazines or the same worn out clichés the gun grabbers use on a daily basis. Id like to work on ACTUAL solutions instead of reducing liberties for the majority of the country.
Lets work and ACTUALLY figure out a solution!
Whos with me?

Just on suicides, the wait period before purchasing a gun was designed in hopes of affecting that. Men are most likely to use a gun in a suicide attempt, and the decision to go through with it, is often done on an impulse. The wait period might help with that without significantly reducing liberties.

Nice. How long would the wait time need to be?
How many people that blow their brains out go and buy the gun for that?

I can think of one we wish would.

 

[LaDexter]

Yeah, that's eactly what's going on isn't it.

Your side loves most of Hitler's domestic agenda and practices it.

1. socialism
2. gun confiscation
3. state sponsored racial discrimination
4. state sponsored abortions
5. using a biased/controlled media to lie

You are 90% National Socialist in your views.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Yeah, that's eactly what's going on isn't it.

Your side loves most of Hitler's domestic agenda and practices it.

1. socialism
2. gun confiscation
3. state sponsored racial discrimination
4. state sponsored abortions
5. using a biased/controlled media to lie

You are 90% National Socialist in your views.

Sure.

 

[LaDexter]

Truth hurts....

Well, truth has never mattered to you or any of your fellow Hitlery supporters....

 

[TNHarley]

Lets get to the bottom of the pandemic of suicides and gang violence with guns.
I am ready to solve this issue!
We obviously cant stop suicides. We could take their gun, but it will still happen. But we could take the gun, and they can use a knife and slit their throat. Or throw themselves in front of a bus. Maybe that's better? So there goes the number one cause of gun murder.
Gang violence. Most of them use illegal guns. So how do we curb that?
I don't want to hear no bullshit about background checks on private transactions or limited magazines or the same worn out clichés the gun grabbers use on a daily basis. Id like to work on ACTUAL solutions instead of reducing liberties for the majority of the country.
Lets work and ACTUALLY figure out a solution!
Whos with me?

Just on suicides, the wait period before purchasing a gun was designed in hopes of affecting that. Men are most likely to use a gun in a suicide attempt, and the decision to go through with it, is often done on an impulse. The wait period might help with that without significantly reducing liberties.

Nice. How long would the wait time need to be?
How many people that blow their brains out go and buy the gun for that?

I can think of one we wish would.

no one wants you to die. They just want you to delete your account.

 

[jc456]

gang violence in inner cities...it is a rats next in the ghettos and no one wants to deal with the real issues of lack of education...lack of jobs...no access to healthy foods or medical care....face it we treat them like animals and get all shocked when they act like animals....i dont just mean blacks here i mean anyone forced into that enviroment

not necessarily, you can enforce punishment for the use of a gun in a crime that would move the needle without all of what you wrote. shit start executing these gang thugs who have no respect for their own families and let's see what happens.

 

[Darkwind]

Pass a federal law that a conviction for murder using a gun is grounds for removing citizenship and a one-way ticket to Syria, or Afghanistan, or Iraq.

For Chicago alone, that will result in 500+ offenders never repeating their crime on our streets ever again.

 

[jc456]

and here we go with gun registration .....fuck that...i am sorry but just fuck that...its bad enough your damn gun permit registers that gun but i will be damn if i will go for a gun registry

well fk, Chicago had the strongest. The Strongest gun laws. Anyone mentioning gun laws is just a fking stupid libturd living in pretendland.

 

[Aries]

Lets get to the bottom of the pandemic of suicides and gang violence with guns.
I am ready to solve this issue!
We obviously cant stop suicides. We could take their gun, but it will still happen. But we could take the gun, and they can use a knife and slit their throat. Or throw themselves in front of a bus. Maybe that's better? So there goes the number one cause of gun murder.
Gang violence. Most of them use illegal guns. So how do we curb that?
I don't want to hear no bullshit about background checks on private transactions or limited magazines or the same worn out clichés the gun grabbers use on a daily basis. Id like to work on ACTUAL solutions instead of reducing liberties for the majority of the country.
Lets work and ACTUALLY figure out a solution!
Whos with me?

The last two times I've seen in depth discussions about curbing illegal guns, research and law enforcement ALL agree that gun registration is part of the answer so the gun can be traced and the owner who released it into the illegal market can be held accountable. Of course, combating gangs by stopping the cartels from entering the country is a good first step. Combating the MARKET for drugs is harder and something the Republicans have been extremely reluctant to spend money on. Investing in programs to keep kids busy and productive and OUT of gangs at age 12 or whatever, and finding ways to influence massive amounts of economic growth into cities with gang problems is another way. When selling drugs is the best paying job in the neighborhood, it's an impossible mission.

Gun registration is not part of the solution.....

Haynes v. United States Supreme court ruling states that felons are not required by law to register their illegal guns......

Gun registration is only desired by anti gunners because it removes a step in the proces of banning guns...it does nothing to stop gun crime or mass shootings.

The only solution...long prison sentences.

Long prison sentences just kick the can down the road. Strict prison sentences do not act as a deterrent. Criminals are impulsive; they act first and think later, if at all.

but it would still be a good solution, short term. And not infringe on innocent peoples rights.

I am not even sure it would be a decent short term... While we are locking them up more are growing up. My countr

Another point. Before making more "gun laws" enforce the ones we have, and deal with mental illness, which is rampant on the streets. Those things are going to be 1000x more effective than another law.

So you think that donnies EO giving the mentally ill the ability to arm themselves is dangerous?

 

[Coyote]

Lets get to the bottom of the pandemic of suicides and gang violence with guns.
I am ready to solve this issue!
We obviously cant stop suicides. We could take their gun, but it will still happen. But we could take the gun, and they can use a knife and slit their throat. Or throw themselves in front of a bus. Maybe that's better? So there goes the number one cause of gun murder.
Gang violence. Most of them use illegal guns. So how do we curb that?
I don't want to hear no bullshit about background checks on private transactions or limited magazines or the same worn out clichés the gun grabbers use on a daily basis. Id like to work on ACTUAL solutions instead of reducing liberties for the majority of the country.
Lets work and ACTUALLY figure out a solution!
Whos with me?

Just on suicides, the wait period before purchasing a gun was designed in hopes of affecting that. Men are most likely to use a gun in a suicide attempt, and the decision to go through with it, is often done on an impulse. The wait period might help with that without significantly reducing liberties.

Nice. How long would the wait time need to be?
How many people that blow their brains out go and buy the gun for that?

Wait times are not just for suicide, they can also provide a cooling off period to prevent impulsive acts of gun violence.

Waiting Periods | Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

Waiting periods also help reduce suicides and other impulsive acts of violence. Suicides are frequently impulsive acts, and approximately 90% of people who have lived through a suicide attempt do not subsequently die in suicides.4 A person who attempts suicide by a method other than a firearm is much more likely to live than a person who uses a firearm.5

• Approximately 50% of suicides in the U.S. are committed with a gun.6
• More than 90% of all suicide attempts with a firearm, if serious enough to require hospital treatment, result in death.7
• Suicide attempts by jumping, by comparison, carry a 34% fatality rate; suicide attempts by drug poisoning carry a 2% fatality rate.8

States with firearm waiting period laws have significantly lower rates of suicide. Research published in the American Journal of Public Health showed that states with a law in place that required a waiting period for the completion of handgun sales had 27% fewer suicides per capita and 51% fewer firearm suicides.9​