Immigrants Displace American Workers

[Care4all]

Playing Devil's Advocate:

If no immigrant workers, legal or illegal, were allowed in to the USA and corporations either could not find the educated workers that they needed to run their business or perhaps could not find the cheaper labor that they needed to run their business profitably, then they would simply pack up and move their business overseas...leaving even MORE Americans without jobs... so basically even if we had no legal and illegal immigrant workers, corporations would find the cheaper, the competitive wage earners, by moving the entire business overseas...(and probably even get a tax break for doing it)

It wouldn't make American wages go up if laws were passed severely limiting immigration as this economist speculates:


The background: Paul Samuelson, the first American to win a Nobel Prize in economics, wrote shortly before enactment of the 1965 Immigration Act.
After World War I, laws were passed severely limiting immigration. Only a trickle of immigrants has been admitted since then…By keeping supply down, immigration policy tends to keep wages high. Let us underline this basic principle: Limitation in the supply of any grade of labor relative to all other productive factors can be expected to raise its wage rate; an increase in supply will, other things being equal, tend to depress wage rates.

It's not as easy peasy as this economist way back when thought in today's global world...It would just make these corporations move to other foreign countries.
You would have get rid of every trade agreement we have that would allow our businesses to move overseas too, don't you think?

And then there are States like mine, who lost a lot of manufacturing jobs in the shoe industry when we began trade in Hong Kong then China, Brazil, Korea, Tawain etc. and all but 1 shoe factory left and went there beginning in the 1980's...

BUT SINCE THEN has developed a huge (at least huge for us in Maine) overseas/export business due to trade agreements in Lobsters, eels,tuna, integrated circuits, coniferous wood, aircraft engines and parts, paper products, etc...

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I have not been displaced by an illegal..On the job site the other day it was 2% minority working, and they didn't make it past noon...

Thats because you're in Missouri.
I was always amazed at all the white people when I went to visit my uncle in Excelsior Springs.
Trust me...it's nothing like your white enclave here on the border.

It was in Bentonville, Arkanslaw...Where there is a large minority community, same as Noel, Mizzouri....

Let me know when you cant get into your local corner store at lunch time because there's 15 trucks pulling trailers full of yard equipment.

 

[Moonglow]

I have not been displaced by an illegal..On the job site the other day it was 2% minority working, and they didn't make it past noon...

Thats because you're in Missouri.
I was always amazed at all the white people when I went to visit my uncle in Excelsior Springs.
Trust me...it's nothing like your white enclave here on the border.

It was in Bentonville, Arkanslaw...Where there is a large minority community, same as Noel, Mizzouri....

Let me know when you cant get into your local corner store at lunch time because there's 15 trucks pulling trailers full of yard equipment.

It's usually enclosed trailers to protect tools and equipment..

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I have not been displaced by an illegal..On the job site the other day it was 2% minority working, and they didn't make it past noon...

Thats because you're in Missouri.
I was always amazed at all the white people when I went to visit my uncle in Excelsior Springs.
Trust me...it's nothing like your white enclave here on the border.

It was in Bentonville, Arkanslaw...Where there is a large minority community, same as Noel, Mizzouri....

Let me know when you cant get into your local corner store at lunch time because there's 15 trucks pulling trailers full of yard equipment.

It's usually enclosed trailers to protect tools and equipment..

That tells me nothing.

 

[Slyhunter]

Playing Devil's Advocate:

If no immigrant workers, legal or illegal, were allowed in to the USA and corporations either could not find the educated workers that they needed to run their business or perhaps could not find the cheaper labor that they needed to run their business profitably, then they would simply pack up and move their business overseas...leaving even MORE Americans without jobs... so basically even if we had no legal and illegal immigrant workers, corporations would find the cheaper, the competitive wage earners, by moving the entire business overseas...(and probably even get a tax break for doing it)

It wouldn't make American wages go up if laws were passed severely limiting immigration as this economist speculates:


The background: Paul Samuelson, the first American to win a Nobel Prize in economics, wrote shortly before enactment of the 1965 Immigration Act.
After World War I, laws were passed severely limiting immigration. Only a trickle of immigrants has been admitted since then…By keeping supply down, immigration policy tends to keep wages high. Let us underline this basic principle: Limitation in the supply of any grade of labor relative to all other productive factors can be expected to raise its wage rate; an increase in supply will, other things being equal, tend to depress wage rates.

It's not as easy peasy as this economist way back when thought in today's global world...It would just make these corporations move to other foreign countries.
You would have get rid of every trade agreement we have that would allow our businesses to move overseas too, don't you think?

And then there are States like mine, who lost a lot of manufacturing jobs in the shoe industry when we began trade in Hong Kong then China, Brazil, Korea, Tawain etc. and all but 1 shoe factory left and went there beginning in the 1980's...

BUT SINCE THEN has developed a huge (at least huge for us in Maine) overseas/export business due to trade agreements in Lobsters, eels,tuna, integrated circuits, coniferous wood, aircraft engines and parts, paper products, etc...

They would train Americans to do the work.

 

[Care4all]

Playing Devil's Advocate:

If no immigrant workers, legal or illegal, were allowed in to the USA and corporations either could not find the educated workers that they needed to run their business or perhaps could not find the cheaper labor that they needed to run their business profitably, then they would simply pack up and move their business overseas...leaving even MORE Americans without jobs... so basically even if we had no legal and illegal immigrant workers, corporations would find the cheaper, the competitive wage earners, by moving the entire business overseas...(and probably even get a tax break for doing it)

It wouldn't make American wages go up if laws were passed severely limiting immigration as this economist speculates:


The background: Paul Samuelson, the first American to win a Nobel Prize in economics, wrote shortly before enactment of the 1965 Immigration Act.
After World War I, laws were passed severely limiting immigration. Only a trickle of immigrants has been admitted since then…By keeping supply down, immigration policy tends to keep wages high. Let us underline this basic principle: Limitation in the supply of any grade of labor relative to all other productive factors can be expected to raise its wage rate; an increase in supply will, other things being equal, tend to depress wage rates.

It's not as easy peasy as this economist way back when thought in today's global world...It would just make these corporations move to other foreign countries.
You would have get rid of every trade agreement we have that would allow our businesses to move overseas too, don't you think?

And then there are States like mine, who lost a lot of manufacturing jobs in the shoe industry when we began trade in Hong Kong then China, Brazil, Korea, Tawain etc. and all but 1 shoe factory left and went there beginning in the 1980's...

BUT SINCE THEN has developed a huge (at least huge for us in Maine) overseas/export business due to trade agreements in Lobsters, eels,tuna, integrated circuits, coniferous wood, aircraft engines and parts, paper products, etc...

They would train Americans to do the work.

Why would they do that, when they can simply go overseas and open a business there with labor so cheap, that even with shipping costs and duties to get the product to the USA, it still is cheaper than using USA Labor at higher prices?

 

[Slyhunter]

Playing Devil's Advocate:

If no immigrant workers, legal or illegal, were allowed in to the USA and corporations either could not find the educated workers that they needed to run their business or perhaps could not find the cheaper labor that they needed to run their business profitably, then they would simply pack up and move their business overseas...leaving even MORE Americans without jobs... so basically even if we had no legal and illegal immigrant workers, corporations would find the cheaper, the competitive wage earners, by moving the entire business overseas...(and probably even get a tax break for doing it)

It wouldn't make American wages go up if laws were passed severely limiting immigration as this economist speculates:


The background: Paul Samuelson, the first American to win a Nobel Prize in economics, wrote shortly before enactment of the 1965 Immigration Act.
After World War I, laws were passed severely limiting immigration. Only a trickle of immigrants has been admitted since then…By keeping supply down, immigration policy tends to keep wages high. Let us underline this basic principle: Limitation in the supply of any grade of labor relative to all other productive factors can be expected to raise its wage rate; an increase in supply will, other things being equal, tend to depress wage rates.

It's not as easy peasy as this economist way back when thought in today's global world...It would just make these corporations move to other foreign countries.
You would have get rid of every trade agreement we have that would allow our businesses to move overseas too, don't you think?

And then there are States like mine, who lost a lot of manufacturing jobs in the shoe industry when we began trade in Hong Kong then China, Brazil, Korea, Tawain etc. and all but 1 shoe factory left and went there beginning in the 1980's...

BUT SINCE THEN has developed a huge (at least huge for us in Maine) overseas/export business due to trade agreements in Lobsters, eels,tuna, integrated circuits, coniferous wood, aircraft engines and parts, paper products, etc...

They would train Americans to do the work.

Why would they do that, when they can simply go overseas and open a business there with labor so cheap, that even with shipping costs and duties to get the product to the USA, it still is cheaper than using USA Labor at higher prices?

And that's why we need Tariffs.

 

[Care4all]

Playing Devil's Advocate:

If no immigrant workers, legal or illegal, were allowed in to the USA and corporations either could not find the educated workers that they needed to run their business or perhaps could not find the cheaper labor that they needed to run their business profitably, then they would simply pack up and move their business overseas...leaving even MORE Americans without jobs... so basically even if we had no legal and illegal immigrant workers, corporations would find the cheaper, the competitive wage earners, by moving the entire business overseas...(and probably even get a tax break for doing it)

It wouldn't make American wages go up if laws were passed severely limiting immigration as this economist speculates:


The background: Paul Samuelson, the first American to win a Nobel Prize in economics, wrote shortly before enactment of the 1965 Immigration Act.
After World War I, laws were passed severely limiting immigration. Only a trickle of immigrants has been admitted since then…By keeping supply down, immigration policy tends to keep wages high. Let us underline this basic principle: Limitation in the supply of any grade of labor relative to all other productive factors can be expected to raise its wage rate; an increase in supply will, other things being equal, tend to depress wage rates.

It's not as easy peasy as this economist way back when thought in today's global world...It would just make these corporations move to other foreign countries.
You would have get rid of every trade agreement we have that would allow our businesses to move overseas too, don't you think?

And then there are States like mine, who lost a lot of manufacturing jobs in the shoe industry when we began trade in Hong Kong then China, Brazil, Korea, Tawain etc. and all but 1 shoe factory left and went there beginning in the 1980's...

BUT SINCE THEN has developed a huge (at least huge for us in Maine) overseas/export business due to trade agreements in Lobsters, eels,tuna, integrated circuits, coniferous wood, aircraft engines and parts, paper products, etc...

They would train Americans to do the work.

Why would they do that, when they can simply go overseas and open a business there with labor so cheap, that even with shipping costs and duties to get the product to the USA, it still is cheaper than using USA Labor at higher prices?

And that's why we need Tariffs.

Still playing The Devil's Advocate:


WITH Every action, there is a reaction....

Tariffs on them would cause them to put tariffs on American made and/or harvested goods...so using my State exports as an example...we would lose a lot of jobs, if we were unable to export our goods....plus, with no guarantees that the shoe industry would move factories back to Maine, (and with a dwindling paper mill business in the USA due to computers winning over newspapers and magazines many job losses will never come back....) who could guarantee there would even be more jobs if we stopped exporting things like Lobster, tuna/fish, airplane engines, integrated circuits and wood/wood byproducts?

And look at all the food products our Nation exports, imagine foreign countries reciprocating our tariffs with their tariffs...would all of these tariff wars really help us when all said and done? UNLIKELY.

Maybe tax policy, on shipping jobs and businesses overseas would be a better approach vs tariffs?? Maybe? Maybe not?

We did well in America at one time...not only because we manufactured/grew/harvested everything we needed here, but because we were the best manufacturers in the world and exported a lot of goods throughout the world as well....

 

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[bripat9643]

If more americans accepted less pay and became educated in the IT field they wouldnt bring in so many immigrants.

Obama and the Dims bring in the immigrants. What corporations want is irrelevant.

 

[bripat9643]

I have not been displaced by an illegal..On the job site the other day it was 2% minority working, and they didn't make it past noon...

I'm totally surrounded by Indian coolies. I'll bet lots of college STEM graduates are sitting at home because someone brought in a Indian coolie at a lower price.

 

[Asclepias]

If more americans accepted less pay and became educated in the IT field they wouldnt bring in so many immigrants.

Obama and the Dims bring in the immigrants. What corporations want is irrelevant.

No stupid. Long before Obama was elected this has been going on. This started back in 90's. Youre are just another typical industrial age thinker.

 

[SwimExpert]

If more americans accepted less pay and became educated in the IT field they wouldnt bring in so many immigrants.

So that's the solution? Americans should settle for lower pay so that they can be reliant on the government to turn around and force employers to increase that pay once again.

Become educated in the IT field. That way companies cant justify bring over so many green cards. Its crazy. i was down at Cisco today and the vast majority of people there are from overseas.

Yeah, because Disney hasn't already proven that to be a bunch of bullshit....

 

[FJO]

If more americans accepted less pay and became educated in the IT field they wouldnt bring in so many immigrants.

Nonsense....absolutely no reason to think that would be true....now a few yrs. back the Mexicans were brought in to provide cheap lablor and because they would do jobs that no one else would do...that is no longer the motive....Obama has a two fold motive....aka to change American demographics and to make himself feel good cuz he is leaving a legacy of helping the worlds helpless....and to hell with Americans and the America most of us grew up loving...he had a promise to keep ....that he would fundamentally change America...well all you morons voted for change...deal wid it.

Like most retards you fall for distractions pretty easily. While you are worried about Mexican undocumented workers picking fruit that you cant handle picking, the IT field is being saturated with imported workers from China and India. Guess what dummy? Its the information age and you should have noticed that with the advent of computers. The job market is demanding more IT professionals and if you arent trained they have to hire green cards from overseas that make scraps compared to what an american worker can demand.

Every house needs a solid foundation, and every IT job needs a solid foundation with elementary and high school education in order to learn at least the IT essentials in college.

With the union dominated public school system you can say good bye to that.

 

[Asclepias]

If more americans accepted less pay and became educated in the IT field they wouldnt bring in so many immigrants.

So that's the solution? Americans should settle for lower pay so that they can be reliant on the government to turn around and force employers to increase that pay once again.

Become educated in the IT field. That way companies cant justify bring over so many green cards. Its crazy. i was down at Cisco today and the vast majority of people there are from overseas.

Yeah, because Disney hasn't already proven that to be a bunch of bullshit....

Explain what you mean. Are you saying Disney doesnt hire a lot of people from overseas?

 

[SwimExpert]

If more americans accepted less pay and became educated in the IT field they wouldnt bring in so many immigrants.

So that's the solution? Americans should settle for lower pay so that they can be reliant on the government to turn around and force employers to increase that pay once again.

Become educated in the IT field. That way companies cant justify bring over so many green cards. Its crazy. i was down at Cisco today and the vast majority of people there are from overseas.

Yeah, because Disney hasn't already proven that to be a bunch of bullshit....

Explain what you mean. Are you saying Disney doesnt hire a lot of people from overseas?

They fired a shitload of Americans so that they could hire foreign labor.

 

[Asclepias]

If more americans accepted less pay and became educated in the IT field they wouldnt bring in so many immigrants.

So that's the solution? Americans should settle for lower pay so that they can be reliant on the government to turn around and force employers to increase that pay once again.

Become educated in the IT field. That way companies cant justify bring over so many green cards. Its crazy. i was down at Cisco today and the vast majority of people there are from overseas.

Yeah, because Disney hasn't already proven that to be a bunch of bullshit....

Explain what you mean. Are you saying Disney doesnt hire a lot of people from overseas?

They fired a shitload of Americans so that they could hire foreign labor.

What positions did they hire foreign labor for? How many is a shitload and do you have a link that proves your claim so we can get some specifics?

 

[rdean]

The majority of Americans oppose lax immigration or open borders that obama constantly works for...so why is it our leadership simply fails to understand what the people want? I think it is more like they do not care what the people want....they are driven by an agenda which they fallaciously believe makes them morally superior aka helping the helpless in this world...but at what price? Charity should begin at home...lots of Americans unemployed, lots of Americans live in poverty etc.etc. Yet this government and its dupes prefer to help foreigners rather than Americans...that cannot be denied...it is quite obvious...even so called American Labor Unions go along with the b.s. agenda this administration is forcing on the people....why is that? I thought unions were supposed to look out for the workers?



National Data | So Immigrants Displace American Workers—But What About The Impact Of Immigrants’ Children?...
By Edwin S. Rubenstein on June 28, 2016, 11:35 pm

For 12 years, VDARE.com has waged a lonely struggle to get it through the thick skulls of Main Stream Media commenters (and, more scandalously, professional economists) that the monthly job numbers issued by the federal government must be viewed in the context of renewed mass immigration. Occasionally, it looks like themessage is getting through. But no-one at all pays attention to the fact that it’s now nearly fifty years since the 1965 Immigration Act kicked in, and the children of immigrants—who with immigrants are what demographers call the “immigrant stock”—are now also having an impact on the job prospects and wages of the Historic American Nation, the native-born Americans derived from the population already here in 1965. What follows is VDARE.com’s attempt to quantify that impact.

The background: Paul Samuelson, the first American to win a Nobel Prize in economics, wrote shortly before enactment of the 1965 Immigration Act.
After World War I, laws were passed severely limiting immigration. Only a trickle of immigrants has been admitted since then…By keeping supply down, immigration policy tends to keep wages high. Let us underline this basic principle: Limitation in the supply of any grade of labor relative to all other productive factors can be expected to raise its wage rate; an increase in supply will, other things being equal, tend to depress wage rates.

Economics [1964]

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Unemployment at 4.7%. 5.8 million jobs available. GOP CEO's want more immigrants because they can be educated. No matter who wins, the GOP base will be the losers. No one wants the ignorant.

America has 5.8 million job openings

 

[Unkotare]

I have not been displaced by an illegal..On the job site the other day it was 2% minority working, and they didn't make it past noon...

I'm totally surrounded by Indian coolies. .....

How much do they pay you to clean their toilets and run errands for them, boy?

 

[Unkotare]

I have not been displaced by an illegal..On the job site the other day it was 2% minority working, and they didn't make it past noon...

Thats because you're in Missouri.
I was always amazed at all the white people when I went to visit my uncle in Excelsior Springs.
Trust me...it's nothing like your white enclave here on the border.

It was in Bentonville, Arkanslaw...Where there is a large minority community, same as Noel, Mizzouri....

Let me know when you cant get into your local corner store at lunch time because there's 15 trucks pulling trailers full of yard equipment.

Sounds good!