Immigration 'Reform' Bill Raises H1-B Visa Limit to 180,000

[Vox]

Yeah, actually looking at our IT people what is happening is what you are saying, so you are correct. I work for an Environmental/Civil engineering firm and when it comes to the non Computer/IT engineering people we are always short.

Maybe 1B's need to be restricted to non IT high skilled, or maybe better defined. I dont want our need for engineers to be used to mess up american IT jobs.

H1B by definition are the jobs Americans do not fill. otherwise you can not get the labor department blessing and your employer can not petition for you.

Salaries are the same as Americans get - that is the law.

It is not IT jobs only - a big number of resident physicians in specialties and in residencies where Americans do not want to be are filled by H1B holders from all over the world.

Most of the internal medicine programs in so-called "malignant" residencies in NYC, Chicago. LA are filled by H1B holders.

Vox you have swallowed the official line, but that isn't how it really is.

If the law were followed then companies couldn't have their American staff train their H1-B replacements then get fired. It happens all the fucking time. And of course the H1-Bs get paid a hell of a lot less, are you kidding me?

it is the reality and it how it really IS. you are posting a bunch of nonsense which does not holds together at all.

I have been on H1B myself. And I know the process from the very beginning.

And have TONS of friends and just people I know that have been on it as well. Nobody is payed less than Americans and nobody took the job from American - it is against the law - and no stupid company will fire an American to get sued for millions if they hire an H1B visa holder instead - that can be easily checked. Do you remember that we live in a society which does EVERYTHING through a lawsuit?

The jobs were unfilled. the salaries are the same ( unless we are talking about the low-end jobs like nannies, caregivers, etc, but they still have to provide an income above poverty level to be eligible for adjustment of status - and that is an ultimate goal of being on H1B)

 

[Vox]

"...Most of the internal medicine programs in so-called 'malignant' residencies in NYC, Chicago. LA are filled by H1B holders."

This is an excellent observation.

However, rather than continuing to prop-up 'malignant residencies', would it not be best to cure the malignancy, and begin making it more attractive for our own peeps to engage?

Throwing H1B Folk at the problem merely buys the malignancy more time to dig-in like a tic and become (or continue as) an perpetual and institutional and accepted state of affairs, which, in the long run, is neither healthy, nor in the best interests of the nation and its People.

by your response it is clear you do not know what is considered malignant residency

I suggest you check out what it is. Location of the hospital might give you a clue. Those hospitals which train residents would not be able to function without them.

Residents are payed by Medicare and Medicaid so the salary of a resident is a fixed income which is equal for all the residents of particular year

https://www.aamc.org/advocacy/gme/71152/gme_gme0001.htm

there are certain medical specialties which are not appealing to American medical graduates - and they have been filled by International medical graduates for DECADES now.
Not every international medical graduate is on H1b, obviously. Some are on J-1 visas, many are already citizens or permanent residents.
But quite a few are on H1B - always have been and always will be.

Unless those unpopular specialties or unpopular residencies suddenly become popular with AMGs.

 

[Unkotare]

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Now this weirdo who wants US immigration policy to be all about his own personal weakness is casting bizarre threats?

Somebody's off their meds...

lol, I did not make a threat, I simply described a threat..

Oh yeah, so subtle...

I think you'd be more comfortable over on the Conspiracy Forum.

 

[Kondor3]

"...Most of the internal medicine programs in so-called 'malignant' residencies in NYC, Chicago. LA are filled by H1B holders."

This is an excellent observation.

However, rather than continuing to prop-up 'malignant residencies', would it not be best to cure the malignancy, and begin making it more attractive for our own peeps to engage?

Throwing H1B Folk at the problem merely buys the malignancy more time to dig-in like a tic and become (or continue as) an perpetual and institutional and accepted state of affairs, which, in the long run, is neither healthy, nor in the best interests of the nation and its People.

by your response it is clear you do not know what is considered malignant residency

I suggest you check out what it is. Location of the hospital might give you a clue. Those hospitals which train residents would not be able to function without them.

You are correct. I have never encountered the term before.

I assumed that we were talking about overworked inner city hospitals who lean on Residents like some businesses lean on business interns - and I seem to have hit close to the mark, using simple deductive reasoning, and winging-it, rather than looking it up.

You're still talking about Wages and Appeal and Incentives - or the lack thereof.

Correct the deficiencies - especially with respect to Wages and Incentives - and you attract more American students into such programming and specialities, yes?

That' doesn't mean that there's no room for foreign students or clinicians.

It just means that we should not continue to allow ourselves to be dependent upon them in such large quantities on a regular and ongoing basis.

 

[JimBowie1958]

H1B by definition are the jobs Americans do not fill. otherwise you can not get the labor department blessing and your employer can not petition for you.

Salaries are the same as Americans get - that is the law.

It is not IT jobs only - a big number of resident physicians in specialties and in residencies where Americans do not want to be are filled by H1B holders from all over the world.

Most of the internal medicine programs in so-called "malignant" residencies in NYC, Chicago. LA are filled by H1B holders.

Vox you have swallowed the official line, but that isn't how it really is.

If the law were followed then companies couldn't have their American staff train their H1-B replacements then get fired. It happens all the fucking time. And of course the H1-Bs get paid a hell of a lot less, are you kidding me?

it is the reality and it how it really IS. you are posting a bunch of nonsense which does not holds together at all.

I have been on H1B myself. And I know the process from the very beginning.

And have TONS of friends and just people I know that have been on it as well. Nobody is payed less than Americans and nobody took the job from American - it is against the law - and no stupid company will fire an American to get sued for millions if they hire an H1B visa holder instead - that can be easily checked. Do you remember that we live in a society which does EVERYTHING through a lawsuit?

The jobs were unfilled. the salaries are the same ( unless we are talking about the low-end jobs like nannies, caregivers, etc, but they still have to provide an income above poverty level to be eligible for adjustment of status - and that is an ultimate goal of being on H1B)

Lol, you are hopeless, but for the sake of the lurkers out there:

H-1B Skilled-Worker Visas Under Fire | @pritheworld

So, why does the US need to import labor for this lower-skilled work? Matloff says it has to do with wages and immobility. He argues that since employers sponsor H-1Bs visas, foreigners have a limited ability to negotiate higher salaries or switch jobs. If they do manage to change employers, it means they must restart any green card applications. Matloff says these realities “handcuff” H-1B visa holders to their employers.

Ardit Bajraktari, a 32-year-old from Albania, has another phrase for it: indentured servitude.

Bajraktari is a highly sought after mobile developer in Silicon Valley. He has been programming software for mobile phones since the early 2000s, back when touch screens were still the sci-fi fantasies of Star Trek fans.

Like many programmers in the Bay Area, Bajraktari has hopped around—working at places like MobiTV, Yammer, and Amazon. “If you want to keep your skill set up to date,” he says, “you have to move companies.”

But unlike his US co-workers, every time Bajraktari switches jobs he loses his visa sponsorship and risks deportation. “It’s like you have a sword on your neck,” he says, “you have to find a job.”....

Salaries can also get complicated. Because the company controls the visa process, employees can feel forced to remain silent about unequal pay or else risk their immigration status. It happened to Bajraktari at his first job, and it’s happening to Steve now. “I’m being paid less,” he says, “which sucks for me, and it also sucks for American developers because I am a threat to them. I am cheaper.”

Steve requested not to use his real name. If he is fired, he could be deported back to the UK. He says that not long after signing on to California software firm, he noticed that he was paid 10 to 20 percent less than his American co-workers doing the same job. “Maybe it’s just naivety on my part,” he says, “but definitely feel like they low-balled me and I was just like, ‘Oh, sure, okay.”

Norm Matloff says the first reform for H-1Bs should be to ensure that foreign employees receive competitive salaries, high enough to prove that companies need them. Matloff also advocates to end the handcuffing. Bajraktari agrees. “The H-1B holder should be able to do the green card petition himself, so you’re not the slave of your company,” he says.

In the meantime, Bajraktari is once again looking for a new employer.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Shouldn't the H1B Visa program be ended? - Page 7 - tech talk

Some desi IT companies involved in immigration frauds and also involved in employing foreign national H1B visa holders over US citizens. This is how they scam US workers of their jobs. They post advertisements on some websites about training and placement for job in United States, they prefer F1 Visa or OPT(optional practical training) guys than to US citizens and green card holders.

If an Indian looks at the advertisement and calls them, they ask if you are on H1b or student visa(OPT) if yes, they offer free accommodation, food and free training for jobs in information technology and if the person calling is US citizen or green card holder, most of these companies reject the job offer not wanting to give them training at all and also charge them high amounts to train them in the subject.



The idea behind these information technology firms providing free training and placement to these H1B holders is to get them transfer or file H1B with their firm and then put some fake experience and these companies send them to clients for jobs.

In other words these IT firms are putting fake experience on their employees resumes and sending them on jobs to their client at different locations. Most of the employees working for these so called Indian IT firms are being under paid and also putting US citizens out of job, claiming US citizens job using inappropriate means.

Yep I have seen it as well. Most of these guys are trapped except for a few at the top who get disproportionately high salaries as part owners to kick up the average (and is usually overstated by several factors as well).

 

[JimBowie1958]

Engineers dislike H-1B; bosses gloat | San Diego Reader

American engineers, scientists, and mathematicians can convincingly show that they are not in short supply, as corporations claim. But increasingly, politicians are siding with big business, which wants the government to loosen restrictions on the H-1B visa program, by which low- to mid-level technologists come to the United States each year from foreign countries.

The H-1B visa recipients, who must have a bachelor’s degree or equivalent experience, can stay for three years with an option to extend to six years. Now, the number permitted to enter is capped at 85,000 yearly. (This has changed through the years.) More than half of H-1B entrants are in computer-related fields, mostly from India....

Gene Nelson of San Luis Obispo, a PhD in radiation biophysics and an opponent of H-1B, calls the Brookings study “pathetic baloney.” He and fellow anti-H-1B activists make a good case that the program is basically a scheme to lower the overall wage level in the engineering/computer profession, thus jacking up corporate profits and paving the way for absurdly high top-management pay.

But the opponents’ point of view is coming against powerful obstacles. In the 2012 election, both President Obama and Mitt Romney favored a loosening of H-1B restrictions. Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York wants to eliminate the H-1B caps altogether....

Despite all these setbacks, the H-1B foes continue battling what they believe are misconceptions. Nelson, for example, points out that under the law, H-1B workers are supposed to be paid a prevailing wage. But “the definition of ‘prevailing wage’ is so loophole-laden” that the H-1Bs’ pay is at least 20 percent lower than that of comparable Americans “and it may be closer to 50 percent,” he says.

That goes to the heart of the opponents’ arguments. “The underpayment of H-1Bs is well-established fact, not rumor, anecdote or ideology,” says the website of Professor Norman Matloff, who teaches computer science at the University of California at Davis. Such low wages bring down the overall salary level for American engineers and computer specialists, permitting companies to pile up profits, claiming there is a labor shortage. “There is no tech labor shortage,” says Matloff, and “no study, other than those sponsored by the industry, has ever shown a shortage.”

Says Matloff, “The world’s ‘best and brightest’ should be welcomed, but only a tiny percentage of H-1Bs are in that league.”

Most of the H1-Bs I have met are about average compared to the Americans I have known, but given the language and cultural difficulties they do not perform as well over all.

 

[JimBowie1958]

How H-1B Visas Are Screwing Tech Workers | Mother Jones

A few years ago, the pharmaceutical giant Pfizer informed hundreds of tech workers at its Connecticut R&D facilities that they'd soon be laid off. Before getting their final paychecks, however, they'd need to train their replacements: guest workers from India who'd come to the United States on H-1B visas. "It's a very, very stressful work environment," one soon-to-be-axed worker told Connecticut's The Day newspaper. "I haven't been able to sleep in weeks."

Established in 1990, the federal H-1B visa program allows employers to import up to 65,000 foreign workers each year to fill jobs that require "highly specialized knowledge." The Senate's bipartisan Immigration Innovation Act of 2013, or "I-Squared Act," would increase that cap to as many as 300,000 foreign workers. ...

But in reality, most of today's H-1B workers don't stick around to become the next Albert Einstein or Sergey Brin. ComputerWorld revealed last week that the top 10 users of H-1B visas last year were all offshore outsourcing firms such as Tata and Infosys. Together these firms hired nearly half of all H-1B workers, and less than 3 percent of them applied to become permanent residents. "The H-1B worker learns the job and then rotates back to the home country and takes the work with him," explains Ron Hira, an immigration expert who teaches at the Rochester Institute of Technology. None other than India's former commerce secretary once dubbed the H-1B the "outsourcing visa."

Of course, the big tech companies claim H-1B workers are their last resort, and that they can't find qualified Americans to fill jobs. Pressing to raise the visa cap last year, Microsoft pointed to 6,000 job openings at the company.

Yet if tech workers are in such short supply, why are so many of them unemployed or underpaid? According to the Economic Policy Institute (EPI), tech employment rates still haven't rebounded to pre-recession levels. And from 2001 to 2011, the mean hourly wage for computer programmers didn't even increase enough to beat inflation.

The ease of hiring H-1B workers certainly hasn't helped. More than 80 percent of H-1B visa holders are approved to be hired at wages below those paid to American-born workers for comparable positions, according to EPI. Experts who track labor conditions in the technology sector say that older, more expensive workers are particularly vulnerable to being undercut by their foreign counterparts. "You can be an exact match and never even get a phone call because you are too expensive," says Norman Matloff, a computer science professor at the University of California-Davis. "The minute that they see you've got 10 or 15 years of experience, they don't want you."

A 2007 study by the Urban Institute concluded that America was producing plenty of students with majors in science, technology, engineering, and math (the "STEM" professions)—many more than necessary to fill entry-level jobs. Yet Matloff sees this changing as H-1B workers cause Americans to major in more-lucrative fields such as law and business. "In terms of the number of people with graduate degrees in STEM," he says, "H-1B is the problem, not the solution."

Yeah, why hire an American graduate when you can start an H1-B cheaper and who will be very hesitant to leave and go to another company?

 

[JimBowie1958]

I, Cringely So that's how H-1B visa fraud is done! - I, Cringely

The gist of the crime has two parts. First Mr. Cvjeticanin’s law firm reportedly represented technology companies seeking IT job candidates and he is accused of having run on the side an advertising agency that placed employment ads for those companies. That could appear to be a conflict of interest, or at least did to the DoJ.

But then there’s the other part, in which most of the ads — mainly in Computerworld — seem never to have been placed at all!

Client companies paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for employment ads in Computerworld that never even ran!

The contention of the DoJ in this indictment appears to be that Mr. Cvjeticanin was defrauding companies seeking to hire IT personnel, yet for all those hundreds of ads — ads that for the most part never ran and therefore could never yield job applications — nobody complained!

The deeper question here is whether they paid for the ads or just for documentation that they had paid for the ads?

This is alleged H-1B visa fraud, remember. In order to hire an H-1B worker in place of a U.S. citizen or green card holder, the hiring company must show that there is no “minimally qualified” citizen or green card holder to take the job. Recruiting such minimally qualified candidates is generally done through advertising: if nobody responds to the ad then there must not be any minimally qualified candidates.

The indictment is linked if anyone wants to verify it for themselves.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The H1B issue: Yes, American workers, YOU DO QUALIFY FOR THAT JOB. - Democratic Underground

It is illegal to pay H1B Visa workers wages that are lower than the prevailing wage.

Reality: It is also illegal to steal cars, but 1 million are stolen every year. Likewise:


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/13/u...job-but-not-his-work.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

It has been 17 months since Jack B. Palmer first made a quiet complaint through internal channels at Infosys, the giant Indian outsourcing company he works for, saying he suspected some managers were committing visa fraud. Since then, Mr. Palmer says, he has been harassed by superiors and co-workers, sidelined with no work assignment, shut out of the company’s computers, denied bonuses and hounded by death threats.



H1B Visa Fraud | 11 Arrested in Major H1B Visa Fraud

DES MOINES, Iowa – U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents arrested 11 individuals in six states on Wednesday as part of an investigation into suspected visa and mail fraud. Matthew G. Whitaker, U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Iowa, announced the operation, which was carried out by federal, state and local law enforcement agencies in Iowa, California, Massachusetts, Texas, Pennsylvania, Kentucky and New Jersey.

Hint: these workers weren't paid a prevailing wage.

BUT WAIT!!!! There's more! This goes way beyond just H1B's! Take a look at what's happening with J1 visa holders:


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/18/us/18immig.html?pagewanted=all

PALMYRA, Pa. — Hundreds of foreign students, waving their fists and shouting defiantly in many languages, walked off their jobs on Wednesday at a plant here that packs Hershey’s chocolates, saying a summer program that was supposed to be a cultural exchange had instead turned them into underpaid labor.


The point? H1B visa holders are being imported as cheap labor, while Americans holding DOCTORATES in STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, Math) related fields are going without jobs.

But the liars will still insist that Americans are not qualified, are not interested and are not available so they just gotta hire cheap indentured servants from India, a nation well known for using debt slavery which is run by the same Indian Brahmin that run the Indian IT companies here in the US! lolol.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Discussion of subject on Slashdot:
Cringley: H-1B Visa Abuse Limits Wages and Steals US Jobs - Slashdot

There are a LOT of fake job ads are out there right now that employers are only posting so they can run crying to Congress and the Labor Dept. later, claiming that they can't get enough "qualified applicants" (and to beg for more H1B visas). You know, that ad that asks for a programmer with 20+ years of Java programming experience, or with qualifications so specific that it HAS to be tailored to a specific H1B candidate, or that asks for an experienced programmer with a salary range of $30,000-$35,000, or that never seems to get filled no matter how many qualified people apply? These are the jobs that colleges cite when they try to sucker in new programming and CS students, that applicants waste valuable time and effort on, and that create an artificially rosy appearance of the technical job market. They make it look like there are way more jobs than workers out there (that's what they're designed to do), when in reality the REAL job market is a lot more dismal, especially for newbies. They're a blight for honest job seekers, and a tool for the dishonest to use to con Congress, the Labor Dept., and desperate potential students.

Not just in the IT world. In the construction industry I was pretty much able to demand $30/hr and the employers wouldn't even bat an eye. Now days I am expected to work for roughly 60% less because Julio will, plus he doesn't have any kind of Visa and the money he makes gets sent back to Mexico so his family can pay to sneak over here as well. And don't start calling me a racist. I grew up with Mexicans(and they like the term "Mexican" not "latino" or "hispanic") and they hate these guys just as much as I do.

It is definitely true H1B visa reduces the wages in USA. But, it is too late to close the barn door because the horse has been stolen already.
Before the global infrastructure built up, before so much of investments were made by big companies in India, before many mid level execs have hitched their wagon to the out sourcing horse (which was stolen from the barn mentioned earlier), it might have been possible to reduce H1B and kept the job in USA.

But right now, if you reduce H1B, it is going to move the whole damned job to India. At least they (or us, because I am an ex H1B) work in USA, pay taxes in USA and spend most of their money in USA and save and invest in USA. The outsourced job lives, spends, invests and pays taxes in India.

I ran the rat race in India, and won it. And the prize was US Citizenship. I don't want my daughter fighting for jobs with the next generation of me who wins the rat race in India. But that makes me sound like the guy who dynamites the bridge after crossing it himself. This is quite complicated.

As Obama said in the third debate, "Some jobs are not coming back. They are low wage low skill jobs. I want high wage high skill jobs here", it would be great if we could make sure the jobs that were lost are all low wage low skill jobs and keep the high wage jobs here. Even if that means my daughter has to fight with the next generation rat-race winner from India.

Another Obama lie. He is setting immigration H1-B quotas so high the high skill jopbs will be lost ofr Americans too. The saying was once, 'They sweat, we think'. Bullshit. They are doing our thinking too and buying all our politicians to look the other way.

No wonder most Third Worlders consider Americans to be complete fools.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Daily Kos: H-1B Guest Worker Fraud and the "Lacking Skills" Scam

A federal government study concluded that 20% of the H-1B applications are fraudulent in some respect. An entire cottage industry of firms that obtain H-1B workers and then "loan" them to another employer has cropped up. One such firm has been convicted of repeated violations of the program, was fined and excluded for a year.

In the video below immigration attorneys from Cohen & Grigsby explain how they assist employers in running classified ads with the goal of NOT finding any qualified applicants; and the steps they go through to disqualify even the most qualified Americans in order to secure green cards for H-1B workers.

"Our goal is clearly to NOT find a qualified and interested US worker."

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU&feature=player_embedded]PERM Fake Job Ads defraud Americans to secure green cards fo - YouTube[/ame]

Lou Dobbs (when he was at CNN, and who I often disagree with) also did an excellent segment on the H-1B scam (see the second video below) "A law firm is teaching corporations how to get around hiring American workers for jobs so they can import foreign workers under the H1-B visa program.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Fx--jNQYNgA]Lou Dobbs: Law Firm teaches how to avoid hiring Americans - YouTube[/ame]

If after reading all that you still think the h1-B visa program is being done according to the spirit of the law and not screwing over American workers, then you are either stupid as shit or just a fucking liar.

 

[JimBowie1958]

H-1B visa abuse limits wages and steals US jobs

There is a misconception about the H-1B program that it was designed to allow companies to import workers with unique talents. There has long been a visa program for exactly that purpose. The O (for outstanding) visa program is for importing geniuses and nothing else. Interestingly enough, the O visa program has no quotas. So when Bill Gates complained about not being able to import enough top technical people for Microsoft, he wasn’t talking about geniuses, just normal coders.

I don’t want to pick on just Microsoft here, but I happen to know the company well and have written over the years about its technical recruiting procedures. Microsoft has a rigorous recruitment and vetting process. So does Google, Apple -- you name the company. All of these companies will take as many of O visa candidates as they can get, but there just aren’t that many who qualify, which is why quotas aren’t required.

So when Microsoft -- or Boeing, for that matter -- says a limitation on H-1B visas keeps them from getting top talent, they don’t mean it in the way that they imply. If a prospective employee is really top talent -- the kind of engineer who can truly do things others simply can’t -- there isn’t much keeping the company from hiring that person under the O visa program.

H-1B visas are about journeyman techies and nothing else.

A key argument for H-1B has always been that there’s a shortage of technical talent in US IT. This has been taken as a given by both major political parties. But it’s wrong. Here are six rigorous studies (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6) that show there is no shortage of STEM workers in the United States nor the likelihood of such a shortage in years to come.

You may recall a recent column where the IT community in Memphis, TN proved there was no labor shortage in that technology hotbed.

The whole labor shortage argument is total hogwash. Yes, there is a labor shortage at substandard wages.

Can all of this be just about money? Yes.

These stupid fucking thieves are selling off the American economy, work force, and technical knowledge to the highest bidder, and our future is made all the poorer for it.

The day will come when an angry generation of Americans will take back what has been stolen from them, but it will first require that we heal the artificial divisions the corporate owned media has put into the American work force to divide us against ourselves.

 

[Unkotare]

So, JimmyB is manifesting his impotent rage at his own weakness by opposing the most positive kind of immigration. You paint a pretty pathetic picture hiding there behind your couch and underestimating your fellow Americans, JimmyB.

 

[Unkotare]

All this "path to citizenship" talk for people who entered this country illegally. We should shorten the path for people who want to come here LEGALLY, who bring useful skills and positive cultural practices and who work hard and within the rules.

Illegal immigration is a problem, and those who are here illegally shouldn't be. But some people are clearly just opposed to immigration in general (ignorant, un-American people) and should have the backbone to come out and say so directly so they can be set straight, or given the disdain they are due.

 

[JimBowie1958]

So, JimmyB is manifesting his impotent rage at his own weakness by opposing the most positive kind of immigration. You paint a pretty pathetic picture hiding there behind your couch and underestimating your fellow Americans, JimmyB.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TCbFEgFajGU]PERM Fake Job Ads defraud Americans to secure green cards fo - YouTube[/ame]

lol, its right in front of you dude.

 

[SteadyMercury]

I think you'd be more comfortable over on the Conspiracy Forum.

Seriously eh? That dude is basically saying people will be eaten by other people who hate the rich and are monitoring message boards to know who to target.

Clearly an unhinged, he can blame visa quotas all he wants for his fears of not finding work, but sounds like mental health issues are the bigger problem.

 

[Vox]

This is an excellent observation.

However, rather than continuing to prop-up 'malignant residencies', would it not be best to cure the malignancy, and begin making it more attractive for our own peeps to engage?

Throwing H1B Folk at the problem merely buys the malignancy more time to dig-in like a tic and become (or continue as) an perpetual and institutional and accepted state of affairs, which, in the long run, is neither healthy, nor in the best interests of the nation and its People.

by your response it is clear you do not know what is considered malignant residency

I suggest you check out what it is. Location of the hospital might give you a clue. Those hospitals which train residents would not be able to function without them.

You are correct. I have never encountered the term before.

I assumed that we were talking about overworked inner city hospitals who lean on Residents like some businesses lean on business interns - and I seem to have hit close to the mark, using simple deductive reasoning, and winging-it, rather than looking it up.

You're still talking about Wages and Appeal and Incentives - or the lack thereof.

Correct the deficiencies - especially with respect to Wages and Incentives - and you attract more American students into such programming and specialities, yes?

That' doesn't mean that there's no room for foreign students or clinicians.

It just means that we should not continue to allow ourselves to be dependent upon them in such large quantities on a regular and ongoing basis.

you missed the main point - ALL residents, Americans or immigrants are payed THE SAME - they are basically employed by the government ( not directly, but to simplify).
Business incentives do not work in that system.

You can not correct the deficiencies - if American medical graduates consider internal medicine as a specialty not to be cost-beneficiary, they will not choose it. If American medical graduate does not want to go to residency program in an inner city ghetto hospital - they would not go there.

Still those positions have to be filled and the job has to be done. The unfilled positions by Americans are filled by immigrants.

 

[JimBowie1958]

All this "path to citizenship" talk for people who entered this country illegally. We should shorten the path for people who want to come here LEGALLY, who bring useful skills and positive cultural practices and who work hard and within the rules.

Illegal immigration is a problem, and those who are here illegally shouldn't be. But some people are clearly just opposed to immigration in general (ignorant, un-American people) and should have the backbone to come out and say so directly so they can be set straight, or given the disdain they are due.

The H1-B program is a problem in and of itself because the fucking crooks are into it now and they are running roughshod over the working class.

As the videos demonstrate, the whole thing is crooked from top to bottom.

 

[JimBowie1958]

I think you'd be more comfortable over on the Conspiracy Forum.

Seriously eh? That dude is basically saying people will be eaten by other people who hate the rich and are monitoring message boards to know who to target.

Clearly an unhinged, he can blame visa quotas all he wants for his fears of not finding work, but sounds like mental health issues are the bigger problem.

Lol, you are a fool, dumbshit.

But you cant say no one warned ya.