Immigration Reform may mean 8,520,000 new Dem voters. Obama won by 3,000,000. votes.

[daveman]

Immigration is not the only issue...

There is jobs, not passing harassing legislation, respect of culture, acceptance of anti-Hispanic bigots and compassion for those less fortunate

Republicans fail at all

Wrong. White liberals have dictated that the only issue important to Hispanics is immigration. Just like they've dictated the only issue important to women is birth control and abortion.

Get with the program.

Interesting how conservatives decide that Hispanics are mere pawns of white liberals. Republicans need to realize that conservatives are a major factor in driving away the Hispanic vote. Until they do, they will be an increasingly insignificant party

I'll ask again:

What are Hispanics' interests? What are blacks' interests? What are whites' interests?

Obviously, to the left, they're all different. This is undeniable. So don't look like a moron by denying it.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Stuff the racialism, babby dave.

 

[daveman]

Stuff the racialism, babby dave.

Oh, eat shit, you lying little bastard. If you had any honesty, you'd admit that your side -- the lefties -- is all about racialism.

Conservatives treat people as individuals. You lefties are incapable of seeing people as individuals.

 

[JakeStarkey]

My side is the side of the American mainstream, of which you are not a part, just a piece of crap bobbing in the wake of the far reactionary right.

 

[rightwinger]

Wrong. White liberals have dictated that the only issue important to Hispanics is immigration. Just like they've dictated the only issue important to women is birth control and abortion.

Get with the program.

Interesting how conservatives decide that Hispanics are mere pawns of white liberals. Republicans need to realize that conservatives are a major factor in driving away the Hispanic vote. Until they do, they will be an increasingly insignificant party

I'll ask again:

What are Hispanics' interests? What are blacks' interests? What are whites' interests?

Obviously, to the left, they're all different. This is undeniable. So don't look like a moron by denying it.

Again, Conservatives try to sell the Bullshit....."We treat everyone the same"

America is not one size fits all, Conservatives have only one size and it is white, christian and middle class/rich

EVERYONE has different interests
The old have different interests than the young
The rich have different interests than the poor
Farmers have different interests than city folk
Women have different interests than men

Until Conservatives realize that they must address the values and interests outside of their small, small tent....they will continue to drive people away from the Republican party

 

[JakeStarkey]

A consensus of right, left, and center, of sexes and orientation, of community and of class, etc., is what governs this country: not a small slice of it

 

[rightwinger]

A consensus of right, left, and center, of sexes and orientation, of community and of class, etc., is what governs this country: not a small slice of it

Moderates have always decided who runs this country. Lose the moderates, lose the country

 

[Katzndogz]

Spy on the moderates, put them under surveillance, use the IRS as the KGB and you lose the moderates.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Spy on the moderates, put them under surveillance, use the IRS as the KGB and you lose the moderates.

Only in katz world. The admin is spying on the far right and the far left.

 

[Beachboy]

Well, now you all have me afraid to post in a thread where I am the OP!

As most of you know I have been a liberal Democrat, a conservative Republican, and am now an independent. I post the words of Winston Churchill every chance I get. "If you are a conservative at age twenty, you have no heart. If you are a liberal at age 50, you have no brain."

Permit me to offer this. I believe liberals contribute to spiritual aspect of politics striving for fairness and opportunity for all. I believe conservatives understand the realities of hard-ball politics, and recognize the threats to our nation from inside and outside our borders. The threat conservatives see is real. I need what both sides offer.

When a citizen loses a job through no fault of their own, I want to supply a TEMPORARY safety net, but not a lifestyle out of work forever. If someone is unwilling to take responsibility for their own life, I am with the conservatives - kick them in the ass! I believe we should spend way more money on the developmentally disabled and those with special needs. Caregivers should make $30 an hour, not $10. However when it comes to the healthy forget the hand-holding. Teach them life's a bitch, and then you die.

Weather you agree with me or not please consider this, we need liberals and conservatives to keep what we call "America" working. Frankly, I wish we had a half dozen political parties like other nations have. Then maybe I could stop floating around in this indecisive never-never land of the independent voter.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Spy on the moderates, put them under surveillance, use the IRS as the KGB and you lose the moderates.

Way to confuse the issue KrappyHogz.................it's not the IRS that runs the program called PRISM, it's the CIA.

You really don't know much about what's going on other than what Bachmann, Palin and all the other right wing nutjobs have told you, do you?

 

[rightwinger]

New immigrants under this bill would not be eligible to vote for over ten years. Republicans are admitting that even ten years from now they have nothing to offer Hispanics

 

[JakeStarkey]

Either we GOP offer something worthwhile or we will be in the minority for a long, long time.

 

[Jimmy_Jam]

RE: the OP. If the concept here is that immigration reform is a tactic for Democrat electoral victory, wouldn't opposing immigration reform then be a tactic for Republican electoral victory?

What a surprise. Yet again, partisan bullshit intrudes upon finding a real solution to a real problem.

YAY!

 

[legaleagle_45]

Why should someone be denied their right to vote because they've been convicted of a crime?

Because by committing a felony they have rejected the rules of our society and are henceforth excluded from active participation in same.

Especially if they've already completed their sentence?

Would it make any difference if their sentence was: "Ten years in prison plus you can never ever serve on a jury again or ever run for certain public offices or own a gun or engage in certain occupations such as teacher or lawyer"?

Incarceration is not the only consequence of a felony conviction.

 

[legaleagle_45]

Either we GOP offer something worthwhile or we will be in the minority for a long, long time.

You underestimate the ability of the Democratic Party to screw things up so badly that the electorate will vote republican

 

[JakeStarkey]

I wish that were so, but the GOP screws it up even worse lately. Look at the senatorial candidates we have been running as a single example.

 

[Beachboy]

Hot off of NBC today is an explanation of what is going on with Immigration Reform. On one side it is estimated by the government that $197 BILLION could be saved in the next five years by passing the legislation.

On the other side, John Boehner's Speaker-ship of the House could be lost he allows Immigration Reform to come to the floor of the U. S. House of Representatives.

This NBC video makes the politics of Immigration Reform easy to understand. Looks like House of Representative members in districts without many Hispanics have the clout to stop immigration reform without damaging their electoral chances in 2014. It is the old Washington two step.

If you are really interested in Immigration Reform, this video will be very helpful. Frankly, I was looking forward to Immigration Reform, but was never clear on the specifics. I do know that the key Republican position is SECURE THE BORDER FIRST. Boehner called Democratic efforts in that area "laughable." It does not look good for Immigration Reform in the near future. Republicans plan to bury the issue until fall, when budget issues will take the center stage in Congress. I would imagine President Obama is fuming with anger, he made some big promises to Hispanics before the 2012 election. Hispanics appear tired of being used by the Democratic Party.

http://http://video.msnbc.msn.com/now-with-alex-wagner/52253698#52253978

It is looking like Republican Senator Marco Rubio's presidential
chances are being crushed by his own Republican Party.
Rubio is voting against the Immigration Bill he authored.
Does anyone else think this is just plain nuts?
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[JakeStarkey]

Gonna be the Hispanics storming the GOP Alamo congress in 2014. Gonna be a slaughter if we don't get with changing demographics. The far right is dying out as well as growing older while the minorities are younger and growing more numerous. Follow the numbers, chumps.

 

[Beachboy]

Gonna be the Hispanics storming the GOP Alamo congress in 2014. Gonna be a slaughter if we don't get with changing demographics. The far right is dying out as well as growing older while the minorities are younger and growing more numerous. Follow the numbers, chumps.

You really should look at the video in Post #78 above. It could easily be another ten years before anything meaningful is done on Immigration Reform. It would be worth your time to check out this NBC news clip. Here it is again.

http://http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/...arge/public/2011/12/07/201609-marco-rubio.jpg

This changes the whole dynamic of Immigration Reform for me. I really do not know what to think. But, that is OK, I am an Indy, we often don't know what to think!
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