In 2010 We Had 460,000 illegals In Arizona

[Harry Dresden]

perot may just have won that election if he would have stayed in....

He made a critical error in choosing his running mate.
It was a very long shot as it was, after that his chances became non-existent.
Having said that, as I am sure you know, he was right about almost everything.

He made a critical error in choosing his running mate.
so did McCain.....but Perot was looking pretty good at one point....if he would have stayed in and kept up his rhetoric he just may have pulled it off....

 

[Harry Dresden]

]
FYI -- Voters have a choice, and have always had a choice. No one holds a gun to anyone's head and forces them to vote for anyone, period. So, how do you figure voters have no choice? Do voters have the right to write-in a candidate of their choice? Are voters forced to vote for the ones that the wealthy, the powerful, and the influential have placed on the ballots? Are voters forced to vote for a political party? Please explain to me why voters have no choice when it comes to voting. Thanks

P.S. - And please don't tell me that voters are forced to vote for the lesser of two evils. That BS line has gotten worn out and abused already. Oh, and also spare me the, "I'm not going to waste my vote" BS. Thanks.

For one thing, we were boycotted, trashed in the media, and forced to watch Sheriff Joe almost being indicted for enforcing the immigration laws. We were the butt of the late night shows' jokes and can't get reimbursed for the care and feeding of the illegals. They all have EBT cards...their kids are all in our schools and they've overwhelmed our hospital ERs for free medical care. So tell me what our votes count for? We voted for SB1070 and the Surpremes will only let us enforce a tiny piece of it. No, this isn't a voter issue...this is a national defense issue and we can't do shit about a traitor in the WH as long as his party can block impeachment.

I hear ya. We're overrun with em in Florida as well. They suck our social services dry, have kids who are American when a simple change to that amendment would get rid of the free ride.

Those clowns in DC are all after the Hispanic vote which is why they will not build the fence or put the guard on the border.

Shoot a few of those assholes and the rest would get the fucking message. Try to come across the border and we will kill your ass.

will you be the one shooting a family coming across?....or will you just hold someones coat while they do it?...just askin.....

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Thats no answer.

Obtuse much?
That is the answer. People need to give up on the two parties.

To what end? They have zero chance of getting elected.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

When both sides are out to screw us it doesnt matter who you elect.

That's BS, and you know it. Who forces you to vote for any of them? Does someone hold a gun to your head at the voting booths? Do you have the right to write-in a candidate of your choice? Does someone force you to vote for either political party? Pleeeeeeeeease ........ think about what you're saying here.

Bullshit. A third party has zero chance of getting elected.

thats only because of the people who have this "if it aint a Democrat or a Republican,it has no business being in the election" attitude....some people are just lost without their precious party telling them what is what....

Agreed,but I see no way of changing that.
The media wont give a third party the time of day.

 

[Sonny Clark]

So, why aren't you out organizing protest marches and encouraging the public to camp out on the steps of the Capitol? Are you content to pass blame to Obama, Bush, and others, yet wash your hands of the matter? Did you ever in your life vote to elect or to re-elect a professional politicians to serve in government? If you answer "yes", then you have no one to blame except yourself. Politicians do not just waltz into Washington and take a seat. Voters elect them. So, how can voters not accept responsibility for the sad shameful mess this country is in?

You rant is getting annoying....it's easy to say what you're saying because it's defeatist and easy... What have I done? Well, I've been down on the border with the Minutemen glassing known smuggling routes. We'd spot a pack coming over and radio the BP who'd maybe show up and maybe not. The illegals would hunker down on the other side and wait for dark or move a mile up the line, come across and scatter. That's what I've done. What have you done?

Good for you. I wasn't asking what you have done to help the border patrol. Go back and re-read what I have said and you'll see that I said absolutely nothing about whether you have helped the border patrol or not. Obviously, you didn't read my comment, or either you're trying to change the subject. The conversation that you and I were having had to do with voting, was it not? Are the illegals here because voters elect and re-elect politicians that allow illegals to stay in this country? Who elects the politicians that allow illegals to live and to work in this country?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Blame the stupid damn voters that continue to elect and to re-elect these people to serve in government. Illegals have a good thing going, why should they leave on their own? Our problems with illegal immigrants falls squarely on the shoulders of every single voter that has voted to elect or to re-elect a professional politician to serve in government. Blaming Obama, or anyone else in government, is a cop-out, and an attempt to throw the blame away from where it belongs. Start blaming the guilty voters so that you'll be correct when speaking of the illegal immigrant issue.

Huh? Who knew the piece of crap in the WH wouldn't follow the laws on the books? Even moron democrats had no idea what they were voting for. Who ever envisioned letting in millions of illegals to drain our resources while being registered to vote? Bush left the border open to keep American companies in enough cheap labor that they wouldn't outsource to China. Barry's agenda is not only vile in it's goals, but completely unconstitutional.

So, why aren't you out organizing protest marches and encouraging the public to camp out on the steps of the Capitol? Are you content to pass blame to Obama, Bush, and others, yet wash your hands of the matter? Did you ever in your life vote to elect or to re-elect a professional politicians to serve in government? If you answer "yes", then you have no one to blame except yourself. Politicians do not just waltz into Washington and take a seat. Voters elect them. So, how can voters not accept responsibility for the sad shameful mess this country is in?

Again..Bullshit.
The two party system is too entrenched and anyone trying to start a third is going too get shutdown.
Just ask Ross Perot.

perot may just have won that election if he would have stayed in....

Possibly,but if you believe him his family was threatened.

 

[BullKurtz]

Good for you. I wasn't asking what you have done to help the border patrol. Go back and re-read what I have said and you'll see that I said absolutely nothing about whether you have helped the border patrol or not. Obviously, you didn't read my comment, or either you're trying to change the subject. The conversation that you and I were having had to do with voting, was it not? Are the illegals here because voters elect and re-elect politicians that allow illegals to stay in this country? Who elects the politicians that allow illegals to live and to work in this country?

Bush43 did. E-verify WORKED during his admin as did the ATF/FBI background checks on weapons purchases. Everybody holds their nose when they vote because no candidate is perfect. The Rats have kept us busy either working two jobs or becoming dependent on government help to survive. So while we are here, most folks are out making a living to feed their families. That's why Hildabeast's emails don't make any difference to her followers....she could pull down her pants suit and show them a dick and it wouldn't make any difference. We vote GOP to keep our taxes down and have a national defense. Their policy on the border is much tougher than the Rats.....Remember Chertoff tried to finish the fence and Napolitano cancelled it. I'm completely correct as to who is to blame for our situation in Arizona and who ain't.

 

[Claudette]

]
FYI -- Voters have a choice, and have always had a choice. No one holds a gun to anyone's head and forces them to vote for anyone, period. So, how do you figure voters have no choice? Do voters have the right to write-in a candidate of their choice? Are voters forced to vote for the ones that the wealthy, the powerful, and the influential have placed on the ballots? Are voters forced to vote for a political party? Please explain to me why voters have no choice when it comes to voting. Thanks

P.S. - And please don't tell me that voters are forced to vote for the lesser of two evils. That BS line has gotten worn out and abused already. Oh, and also spare me the, "I'm not going to waste my vote" BS. Thanks.

For one thing, we were boycotted, trashed in the media, and forced to watch Sheriff Joe almost being indicted for enforcing the immigration laws. We were the butt of the late night shows' jokes and can't get reimbursed for the care and feeding of the illegals. They all have EBT cards...their kids are all in our schools and they've overwhelmed our hospital ERs for free medical care. So tell me what our votes count for? We voted for SB1070 and the Surpremes will only let us enforce a tiny piece of it. No, this isn't a voter issue...this is a national defense issue and we can't do shit about a traitor in the WH as long as his party can block impeachment.

I hear ya. We're overrun with em in Florida as well. They suck our social services dry, have kids who are American when a simple change to that amendment would get rid of the free ride.

Those clowns in DC are all after the Hispanic vote which is why they will not build the fence or put the guard on the border.

Shoot a few of those assholes and the rest would get the fucking message. Try to come across the border and we will kill your ass.

will you be the one shooting a family coming across?....or will you just hold someones coat while they do it?...just askin.....

Why, you don't have the balls to?? Or think its okay for them to be here illegally?? Just askin.

You damned right I would.

These people are breaking our laws, sucking our social services dry, committing crimes and our Govt does nothing about it.

You bet I'd shoot em as they came across our border illegally.

 

[BullKurtz]

will you be the one shooting a family coming across?....or will you just hold someones coat while they do it?...just askin.....

Mine the crossings with big bold signs in spanish that an attempted crossing is suicide. Let the buzzards have the doubters...that ends it in a day. Then you go about getting any future applicants to get in line. Those here it's too late to do anything about unless they've committed a crime here. Then you send them out with a warning that if they return they face life in prison. That stops the repeat offenders. And then the GOP gets to work convincing hard working chicanos that it's the party of progress and getting the American dream. Most latins are Catholic, macho, and patriotic.....what could the Rats possibly offer people like that?

 

[Claudette]

Just shoot em. It works every time.

 

[Sonny Clark]

Good for you. I wasn't asking what you have done to help the border patrol. Go back and re-read what I have said and you'll see that I said absolutely nothing about whether you have helped the border patrol or not. Obviously, you didn't read my comment, or either you're trying to change the subject. The conversation that you and I were having had to do with voting, was it not? Are the illegals here because voters elect and re-elect politicians that allow illegals to stay in this country? Who elects the politicians that allow illegals to live and to work in this country?

Bush43 did. E-verify WORKED during his admin as did the ATF/FBI background checks on weapons purchases. Everybody holds their nose when they vote because no candidate is perfect. The Rats have kept us busy either working two jobs or becoming dependent on government help to survive. So while we are here, most folks are out making a living to feed their families. That's why Hildabeast's emails don't make any difference to her followers....she could pull down her pants suit and show them a dick and it wouldn't make any difference. We vote GOP to keep our taxes down and have a national defense. Their policy on the border is much tougher than the Rats.....Remember Chertoff tried to finish the fence and Napolitano cancelled it. I'm completely correct as to who is to blame for our situation in Arizona and who ain't.

Listen, every single politician that has served in Washington over the past half century has sold us out, ALL of them, no exceptions. Yes, Bush I, Bush II, Clinton, Obama, Ford, Carter, Reagan, etc.. And, guess who allowed them to do it? Any guesses? I'll make it easy for you, the damn voters elected them to serve in government. So, again, who's fault is it that we're seeing and experiencing what is taking place in this country as we speak? The answer: The damn voters are responsible, no one else. Politicians do not waltz into Washington and take a seat, we elect them. Duh .. a surprise to you?

So, you can try to throw blame on the folks in Washington all day long, and continue to avoid the root cause, but it won't change the problem, and where the blame lies. All of our problems are the fault of the voters. It's squarely on their shoulders. And guess what, the voters will do the exact same thing come November 2016. Voters continue to do the same thing, yet expect a different result. Go figure.

If you've ever voted to elect, or to re-elect, a professional politician to serve in government, then you have aided and abetted them in destroying this once great nation. Think about it. They couldn't have done it with votes and being elected to office. They didn't just waltz into Washington and take over. The blame is not on illegals, not on politicians, the blame is on the damn stupid voters. Voters will go to the polls on election day November 2016 and repeat what they've been doing all of their lives, and nothing is going to change except the faces in Washington.

 

[Harry Dresden]

When both sides are out to screw us it doesnt matter who you elect.

That's BS, and you know it. Who forces you to vote for any of them? Does someone hold a gun to your head at the voting booths? Do you have the right to write-in a candidate of your choice? Does someone force you to vote for either political party? Pleeeeeeeeease ........ think about what you're saying here.

Bullshit. A third party has zero chance of getting elected.

thats only because of the people who have this "if it aint a Democrat or a Republican,it has no business being in the election" attitude....some people are just lost without their precious party telling them what is what....

Agreed,but I see no way of changing that.
The media wont give a third party the time of day.

it has to be up to the people in this country.....i have been here since dec 08....and its the same old bitching and moaning by many of the same posters....but yet they always back the same old pieces of shit........and when questioned,what do i hear?....."hey a third party person has zero chance to get elected so why waste your vote?".....yea im wasting my vote.....so much is getting done with all those non-wasted ones....

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

When both sides are out to screw us it doesnt matter who you elect.

That's BS, and you know it. Who forces you to vote for any of them? Does someone hold a gun to your head at the voting booths? Do you have the right to write-in a candidate of your choice? Does someone force you to vote for either political party? Pleeeeeeeeease ........ think about what you're saying here.

Bullshit. A third party has zero chance of getting elected.

thats only because of the people who have this "if it aint a Democrat or a Republican,it has no business being in the election" attitude....some people are just lost without their precious party telling them what is what....

Agreed,but I see no way of changing that.
The media wont give a third party the time of day.

it has to be up to the people in this country.....i have been here since dec 08....and its the same old bitching and moaning by many of the same posters....but yet they always back the same old pieces of shit........and when questioned,what do i hear?....."hey a third party person has zero chance to get elected so why waste your vote?".....yea im wasting my vote.....so much is getting done with all those non-wasted ones....

And there's a lot of truth in that statement.
How do you get the American people to give a shit?
Most dont even take the time to vote let alone learn the issues and what they mean to this country and it's future.
The only way these people wake up is for something to happen that effects them immediately.
Unfortunately politicians know this and screw us incrementally and by the time the American people realize they're being screwed it's to late.
Personally I dont have much hope.

 

[BullKurtz]

Listen, every single politician that has served in Washington over the past half century has sold us out, ALL of them, no exceptions. Yes, Bush I, Bush II, Clinton, Obama, Ford, Carter, Reagan, etc.. And, guess who allowed them to do it? Any guesses? I'll make it easy for you, the damn voters elected them to serve in government. So, again, who's fault is it that we're seeing and experiencing what is taking place in this country as we speak? The answer: The damn voters are responsible, no one else. Politicians do not waltz into Washington and take a seat, we elect them. Duh .. a surprise to you?

So, you can try to throw blame on the folks in Washington all day long, and continue to avoid the root cause, but it won't change the problem, and where the blame lies. All of our problems are the fault of the voters. It's squarely on their shoulders. And guess what, the voters will do the exact same thing come November 2016. Voters continue to do the same thing, yet expect a different result. Go figure.

If you've ever voted to elect, or to re-elect, a professional politician to serve in government, then you have aided and abetted them in destroying this once great nation. Think about it. They couldn't have done it with votes and being elected to office. They didn't just waltz into Washington and take over. The blame is not on illegals, not on politicians, the blame is on the damn stupid voters. Voters will go to the polls on election day November 2016 and repeat what they've been doing all of their lives, and nothing is going to change except the faces in Washington.

So what have YOU done except keep repeating it's the "voters" blah blah blah....how about it....where's YOUR skin in the game?

 

[BullKurtz]

And there's a lot of truth in that statement.
How do you get the American people to give a shit?
Most dont even take the time to vote let alone learn the issues and what they mean to this country and it's future.
The only way these people wake up is for something to happen that effects them immediately.
Unfortunately politicians know this and screw us incrementally and by the time the American people realize they're being screwed it's to late.
Personally I dont have much hope.

I think we can get it right....I've been writing about how for years and don't find it hard to get agreement. First and foremost we need a guy like Perot or Romney or Trump who has so much money they aren't interested in making more. ONE TERM....use every single executive action that Obozo has used to reverse everything he's done.....that'd chafe the Dims' asses.

First order of business, SHUT THE BORDER. Nobody comes north until further notice. FINISH THE FENCE and mine it with drone surveillance. Pull out of NAFTA and quit the WTO. Tell the Fortune 500 to either return their production to plants they shuttered within 180 days or face crippling tariffs and seizure of their current inventories as contraband. I'm just gettin warmed up.

Close DHS, Dept.of Education, EPA, and Dept.of Commerce. Tell the IRS they have 30 days to get their house in order or face massive layoffs. Institute the flat-tax...no deductions. Cut corporate tax rates to ZERO. Tell the defense contractors either their projects come in ON BUDGET or face criminal penalties. When we agree on a price that price will be met and the check will clear.

BALANCE THE BUDGET in real numbers not smoke and mirrors. Everybody gets a 15% haircut. Build the Keystone XL with the provision none of that oil leaves Louisiana for foreign ports....let's see if that still interests the Canucks. Then clean up the oil leasing fiasco......grant the leases with a 3 window to explore and either drill or not. No activity, the lease is rescinded. I don't care for off-shore oil drilling but if the drillers can absolutely assure the president they can extract oil without danger to the sea, then fine. Open ANWR 1001...there's a sea of oil up there. And then offer outstanding rewards for new energy ideas that can be tested on a small scale. Oh, and reopen the coal industry with the stipulation that they can get tax-credits for effective chimney-scrubbers.

There. I have just created 10-15M new jobs, reopened hundreds of closed manufacturing facilities that puts the small businesses around them back in the black. I have not only made us energy-independent, but I've made OPEC and the Ivans start asking us for loans instead of messing with us. My plan will pay off the debt within 10 years and the country will be booming and prosperous again.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

And there's a lot of truth in that statement.
How do you get the American people to give a shit?
Most dont even take the time to vote let alone learn the issues and what they mean to this country and it's future.
The only way these people wake up is for something to happen that effects them immediately.
Unfortunately politicians know this and screw us incrementally and by the time the American people realize they're being screwed it's to late.
Personally I dont have much hope.

I think we can get it right....I've been writing about how for years and don't find it hard to get agreement. First and foremost we need a guy like Perot or Romney or Trump who has so much money they aren't interested in making more. ONE TERM....use every single executive action that Obozo has used to reverse everything he's done.....that'd chafe the Dims' asses.

First order of business, SHUT THE BORDER. Nobody comes north until further notice. FINISH THE FENCE and mine it with drone surveillance. Pull out of NAFTA and quit the WTO. Tell the Fortune 500 to either return their production to plants they shuttered within 180 days or face crippling tariffs and seizure of their current inventories as contraband. I'm just gettin warmed up.

Close DHS, Dept.of Education, EPA, and Dept.of Commerce. Tell the IRS they have 30 days to get their house in order or face massive layoffs. Institute the flat-tax...no deductions. Cut corporate tax rates to ZERO. Tell the defense contractors either their projects come in ON BUDGET or face criminal penalties. When we agree on a price that price will be met and the check will clear.

BALANCE THE BUDGET in real numbers not smoke and mirrors. Everybody gets a 15% haircut. Build the Keystone XL with the provision none of that oil leaves Louisiana for foreign ports....let's see if that still interests the Canucks. Then clean up the oil leasing fiasco......grant the leases with a 3 window to explore and either drill or not. No activity, the lease is rescinded. I don't care for off-shore oil drilling but if the drillers can absolutely assure the president they can extract oil without danger to the sea, then fine. Open ANWR 1001...there's a sea of oil up there. And then offer outstanding rewards for new energy ideas that can be tested on a small scale. Oh, and reopen the coal industry with the stipulation that they can get tax-credits for effective chimney-scrubbers.

There. I have just created 10-15M new jobs, reopened hundreds of closed manufacturing facilities that puts the small businesses around them back in the black. I have not only made us energy-independent, but I've made OPEC and the Ivans start asking us for loans instead of messing with us. My plan will pay off the debt within 10 years and the country will be booming and prosperous again.

Problem being we'll end up with someone like jeb who's all for illegal immigration.

 

[BullKurtz]

Problem being we'll end up with someone like jeb who's all for illegal immigration.

What will be and could be are two different cats...my point is we can reverse all this garbage or choose not to until the debt crushes us and we can no longer defend this nation. All we need is the will to find an anti-Bush, anti-Obozo, candidate who cares about one thing....putting us back in the black....without money nobody is anybody. Notice I didn't say anything about foreign affairs....let's see how the world does without us sticking our nose into their business for a few years while we heal our own wounds.

 

[Rexx Taylor]

how many of them are living in Refridgerator boxes?

 

[Sonny Clark]

Listen, every single politician that has served in Washington over the past half century has sold us out, ALL of them, no exceptions. Yes, Bush I, Bush II, Clinton, Obama, Ford, Carter, Reagan, etc.. And, guess who allowed them to do it? Any guesses? I'll make it easy for you, the damn voters elected them to serve in government. So, again, who's fault is it that we're seeing and experiencing what is taking place in this country as we speak? The answer: The damn voters are responsible, no one else. Politicians do not waltz into Washington and take a seat, we elect them. Duh .. a surprise to you?

So, you can try to throw blame on the folks in Washington all day long, and continue to avoid the root cause, but it won't change the problem, and where the blame lies. All of our problems are the fault of the voters. It's squarely on their shoulders. And guess what, the voters will do the exact same thing come November 2016. Voters continue to do the same thing, yet expect a different result. Go figure.

If you've ever voted to elect, or to re-elect, a professional politician to serve in government, then you have aided and abetted them in destroying this once great nation. Think about it. They couldn't have done it with votes and being elected to office. They didn't just waltz into Washington and take over. The blame is not on illegals, not on politicians, the blame is on the damn stupid voters. Voters will go to the polls on election day November 2016 and repeat what they've been doing all of their lives, and nothing is going to change except the faces in Washington.

So what have YOU done except keep repeating it's the "voters" blah blah blah....how about it....where's YOUR skin in the game?

I always write-in a candidate. I don't play the game that fools play. I've been around a long time, and I've seen and experienced how the system works. It's a scam, a con, a millions of American fall for it every election cycle, then they piss and moan for the next four years. At least I don't aid and abet the crooks that are sending this country down the abyss of ruin. I vote for who I think would go to Washington and kick the damn rats out of the nest. I don't invite more rats in. Does that answer your question?

 

[Rexx Taylor]

460K, what does that come out to? 25 sharing a one bed/bath home that was built in the 70's?