In normal world, this is known as "fraud".

[surada]

Only if you assume the lender will take your word for it.

It's a pretty easy thing to do to appraise a property or a business and if a lender doesn't do that it's his own fault.

Now I haven't heard if Trump actually got loans based on his inflated estimations. Did he? And if he did did he default?

If the answer to either one of those is no then there was no fraud or if there was there was no victim. If there is no victim is there a crime at all?

Did you tell the cops that when you ran a redlight?

 

[Mac1958]

The rubes have to defend this because it cuts to the heart of who their Orange God™ says he is.

He is a fraud. He's used Daddy's money, other people's money, and outright lies all his life because he is mentally ill and desperate for approval and validation.

This is worse than even his detractors imagined, and his cultists know it.

If they're going to defend him, they are weak and they are liars themselves.

 

[pknopp]

And that has shit-all to do with anything as it regards Trump's loans. The loans were paid back in full under the terms of the loans. End of story.

Blah, maybe it has to do with leftists never owning anything worth a shit to put up for collateral because everything that they own is leveraged to the max due to poor life choices.

If it was anyone but Trump it would not even register in your small and TDS addled minds.

I addressed your points in my first post.

 

[Blues Man]

murder is a crime no matter if charges are ever pressed. fraud is as well. assumption of innocence rests on the alleged perp, not the crime itself.

Murder always has a victim of murder.

Who is the victim of Trump's alleged frauds? And why aren't those victims if they exist suing Trump?

How is the State of NY a victim of fraud?

It seems the State of NY is suing on behalf of some private business but the business itself has never sued for fraud.

This is where it gets fishy.

So what if Trump overestimated a property worth for a loan from a private lender? It is the lenders responsibility to perform its due diligence in appraising that property.

 

[Cellblock2429]

LOL. Yea, Mar-A-Lago is only worth $27.6 million.


Here is what a $28 million property looks like in Palm Beach:

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/----/ You're debating real estate valuation with a libtard who lives in Mommy's basement.

 

[rampart]

yes i am.....the only reason trump has this throw at him is because he is running for president.....otherwise you would not even hear about this....the wealthy live in their own world and have different rules that they get away with because of that wealth,,,,including many of those assholes in congress....

in "normal world" ALL would be prosecuted; here on earth we do not have sich resources so we must make examples to deter others. trump happens to have volunteered to be such an example. *though i seriously doubt that any actual punishment will come his way.)

 

[Blues Man]

The rubes have to defend this because it cuts to the heart of who their Orange God™ says he is.

He is a fraud. He's used Daddy's money, other people's money, and outright lies all his life because he is mentally ill and desperate for approval and validation.

This is worse than even his detractors imagined.

If they're going to defend him, they are weak and they are liars themselves.

I'm not a Trump supporter.

But I can see there is something not Kosher with the charges by the State of NY.

 

[Smokin' OP]

So what insurance company is suing him for fraud?

Insurance companies don't have to sue anyone, insurance fraud is a crime.

Insurance Fraud​

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How did he defraud the State of NY ?

Taxes.

 

[surada]

And that has shit-all to do with anything as it regards Trump's loans. The loans were paid back in full under the terms of the loans. End of story.

Blah, maybe it has to do with leftists never owning anything worth a shit to put up for collateral because everything that they own is leveraged to the max due to poor life choices.

If it was anyone but Trump it would not even register in your small and TDS addled minds.

Trump bought a property for 2.5 million claimed it was worth 100 million, donated it to the State and took a 100 million dollar tax break.

 

[Blues Man]

Did you tell the cops that when you ran a redlight?

I don't run red lights.

 

[1srelluc]

Trump bought a property for 2.5 million claimed it was worth 100 million, donated it to the State and took a 100 million dollar tax break.

Smart!

Here is how that can work for ya......I own 50 acres that adjoins a national forest.....I can sell it to them for far more than the land is worth because they consider it a win to expand the forest. There is not even any fed tax burden.

 

[Blues Man]

Insurance companies don't have to sue anyone, insurance fraud is a crime.

Insurance Fraud​

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Taxes.

Only if the insurance company says it was defrauded.

And charged under state law does not mean the stat is the plaintiff. An insurance company would have to file charges before the state even knew if any fraud occurred.

 

[rampart]

So then we should all be on trial in the state of NY

the entire financial system SHOULD have been on trial in 2009. i would have supported impeachment of obama and holder for allowing wall st to steal trillions in that scam.

 

[Blues Man]

Trump bought a property for 2.5 million claimed it was worth 100 million, donated it to the State and took a 100 million dollar tax break.

Then the state didn't perform its due diligence.

The state has tax records it could have used to see what the assessed value was and they could have required a third party appraisal of the property as well.

If some guy sold you anything for X dollars and you freely paid it you cannot sue him for fraud because you didn't bother to see if the price was inflated.

 

[Blues Man]

the entire financial system SHOULD have been on trial in 2009. i would have supported impeachment of obama and holder for allowing wall st to steal trillions in that scam.

And that has nothing to do with Trump in this case in NY

 

[1srelluc]

I addressed your points in my first post.

And did a piss poor job of it.

 

[pknopp]

And did a piss poor job of it.

And yet you didn't address any of it.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Only if the insurance company says it was defrauded.

And charged under state law does not mean the stat is the plaintiff. An insurance company would have to file charges before the state even knew if any fraud occurred.

That's what Trump's lawyers are claiming.............3 times.
The judge laughed at them.

 

[1srelluc]

And yet you didn't address any of it.

What part of shit-all did you not understand?

 

[pknopp]

What part of shit-all did you not understand?

The part where you couldn't actually address what I actually said.