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If others fight in the gutter it is not a justification to lower our standards and join them
rightwinger's title is false
"The nation's highest officials bear some responsibility for allowing and contributing to the spread of torture," the report said, though it did not name names.
no names were mentioned, thus, the report did not say bush
rightwinger lied
If others fight in the gutter it is not a justification to lower our standards and join them
I've asked you this over the last couple years many times. You have no answer, yet repeat the delusion. Name one time where anyone flipped sides over this. Someone who would have been our ally and wasn't.
The reality is that anyone who would equate our water boarding to save lives with terrorists murdering people to control them are already one of two things. Our enemy, or a Democrat. And neither of them are swayed by reality.
So, it IS or IS NOT illegal?
It is for you but not for the government.
That is a lie, thanks for playing
If others fight in the gutter it is not a justification to lower our standards and join them
I've asked you this over the last couple years many times. You have no answer, yet repeat the delusion. Name one time where anyone flipped sides over this. Someone who would have been our ally and wasn't.
The reality is that anyone who would equate our water boarding to save lives with terrorists murdering people to control them are already one of two things. Our enemy, or a Democrat. And neither of them are swayed by reality.
i flipped.
i was one of those guys who thought of AMERICA as the good guys.
the iraq debacle cured the last bits of that delusion.
Oh brother. The committee was formed by a former employee of President Bush. And that's supposed to be a neutral person? Like JHHatfield, author of a book about GW that was discredited with publisher's head rolling, who was sent to prison for trying to carbomb his boss, and Bush refused to give him early parole? Oh, bwahahahaha!Yeah, I'm forming an international tribunal with Lupe Rodriguez, the illegal who cleans my neighbor's house. We're going to sentence Bush to 50 years in prison. You just know it's going to scare the hell out of him.
We may mandate world peace, too, if we get around to it.
The panel, which included leading politicians from both parties, two U.S. retired generals and legal and ethics scholars, spent two years examining the U.S. treatment of suspected militants detained after the September 11, 2001, attacks.
Panel members interviewed former Clinton, Bush and Obama administration officials, military officers and former prisoners, and the investigation looked at U.S. practices at Guantanamo, in Afghanistan and Iraq and at the CIA's former secret prisons overseas.
The task force was chaired by Asa Hutchinson, a Republican former congressman and undersecretary of the Department of Homeland Security during the George W. Bush administration, and James Jones, a Democratic former congressman who served as U.S. ambassador to Mexico.
That is a lie, thanks for playing
Oh please, you guys define jail time without Xbox as torture.....
Second I'm ok with torturing bad guys and external enemies of the US......GO FOR IT
The Constitution does not apply to noncitizens as much as you want everyone to be a US citizen, they simply arent..
And international law is bs......Liberals said so when they didnt want UN resolutions enforced.....you guys made it useless, not us. For God's sake Bush tried to enforce and got attacked by people like you.
Doesn't matter who defines, international hatred etc.
What he said was a lie, period
I've asked you this over the last couple years many times. You have no answer, yet repeat the delusion. Name one time where anyone flipped sides over this. Someone who would have been our ally and wasn't.
The reality is that anyone who would equate our water boarding to save lives with terrorists murdering people to control them are already one of two things. Our enemy, or a Democrat. And neither of them are swayed by reality.
i flipped.
i was one of those guys who thought of AMERICA as the good guys.
the iraq debacle cured the last bits of that delusion.
So you wouldn't have flipped over Iraq except for "torture?" If the answer is you would have flipped regardless of "torture," then your contribution is irrelevant since that was the question.
BTW, opposing the Iraq invasion puts you squarely on my side. I do as well. But it's not because of "torture." Iraq was the inevitable conclusion of meddling in other people's affairs and making every bad guy in the world our enemy. We should not have been in the middle east because it wasn't our fight, then we wouldn't have had the enemies that we did.
If you agree with my last statement, then "torture" was irrelevant. And if you don't blame both parties for that then you're not sincere in your belief.
they still claim Bush found WMDs
they still insist that Bush didnt crash the economy
they still claim Bush protected us from attack when 911 was his watch.
whats one more lie to the right?
i flipped.
i was one of those guys who thought of AMERICA as the good guys.
the iraq debacle cured the last bits of that delusion.
So you wouldn't have flipped over Iraq except for "torture?" If the answer is you would have flipped regardless of "torture," then your contribution is irrelevant since that was the question.
BTW, opposing the Iraq invasion puts you squarely on my side. I do as well. But it's not because of "torture." Iraq was the inevitable conclusion of meddling in other people's affairs and making every bad guy in the world our enemy. We should not have been in the middle east because it wasn't our fight, then we wouldn't have had the enemies that we did.
If you agree with my last statement, then "torture" was irrelevant. And if you don't blame both parties for that then you're not sincere in your belief.
image is not irrelevant.
in west germany, the image of the USA was that of the liberators who handed out chewing gums. soldiers were running for their lives literally to reach the US american occupation zone at the end of WWII.
the usa was the protecting force vs. THE RUSSIANS.
after the cold war, these facts were less relevant. and the role of the US was under scrutiny. the obvious asshole behavior as shown after "nineeleven" ultimately destroyed the image of the good american in west germany.
they still claim Bush found WMDs
they still insist that Bush didnt crash the economy
they still claim Bush protected us from attack when 911 was his watch.
whats one more lie to the right?
In other words, Repugnat-cans are as blind, vile and dangerous as you Depot-crats are.
If others fight in the gutter it is not a justification to lower our standards and join them
I've asked you this over the last couple years many times. You have no answer, yet repeat the delusion. Name one time where anyone flipped sides over this. Someone who would have been our ally and wasn't.
The reality is that anyone who would equate our water boarding to save lives with terrorists murdering people to control them are already one of two things. Our enemy, or a Democrat. And neither of them are swayed by reality.
If others fight in the gutter it is not a justification to lower our standards and join them
I've asked you this over the last couple years many times. You have no answer, yet repeat the delusion. Name one time where anyone flipped sides over this. Someone who would have been our ally and wasn't.
The reality is that anyone who would equate our water boarding to save lives with terrorists murdering people to control them are already one of two things. Our enemy, or a Democrat. And neither of them are swayed by reality.
What difference does it make? We are either a moral nation or we are not
Just because our level of torture is less than someone elses does not justify it
rightwinger's title is false
"The nation's highest officials bear some responsibility for allowing and contributing to the spread of torture," the report said, though it did not name names.
no names were mentioned, thus, the report did not say bush
rightwinger lied
rightwinger keeps running from the truth
If others fight in the gutter it is not a justification to lower our standards and join them
I've asked you this over the last couple years many times. You have no answer, yet repeat the delusion. Name one time where anyone flipped sides over this. Someone who would have been our ally and wasn't.
The reality is that anyone who would equate our water boarding to save lives with terrorists murdering people to control them are already one of two things. Our enemy, or a Democrat. And neither of them are swayed by reality.
What difference does it make? We are either a moral nation or we are not
Just because our level of torture is less than someone elses does not justify it
I've asked you this over the last couple years many times. You have no answer, yet repeat the delusion. Name one time where anyone flipped sides over this. Someone who would have been our ally and wasn't.
The reality is that anyone who would equate our water boarding to save lives with terrorists murdering people to control them are already one of two things. Our enemy, or a Democrat. And neither of them are swayed by reality.
What difference does it make? We are either a moral nation or we are not
Just because our level of torture is less than someone elses does not justify it
Oh wow the holier than thou left.....I love you guys, personal morality you dont care about, but by God we're not gonna torture people......please torture is a tool I support when needed.....I'd rather torture a person that has info to save hundreds or thousands of lives.....but
Liberals would never torture.....it's just wrong....unless it's their heroes.
Liberals would rather let 1000 murderers go free than convict one innocent man....sorry jack, I'm gonna go with the numbers....one innocent man vs 1000 innocent victums........
But the one think I have control over is my personal morality, and I'm a big fan of enforcing that.
rightwinger's title is false
"The nation's highest officials bear some responsibility for allowing and contributing to the spread of torture," the report said, though it did not name names.
no names were mentioned, thus, the report did not say bush
rightwinger lied
rightwinger keeps running from the truth
rightwinger?
why do you keep running from this? are you ashamed of your lie?
I like Bush. In fact the more Bush the better. I understand some of you fellas are a little light in the loafers, but don't knock it until you've tried it.
So you wouldn't have flipped over Iraq except for "torture?" If the answer is you would have flipped regardless of "torture," then your contribution is irrelevant since that was the question.
BTW, opposing the Iraq invasion puts you squarely on my side. I do as well. But it's not because of "torture." Iraq was the inevitable conclusion of meddling in other people's affairs and making every bad guy in the world our enemy. We should not have been in the middle east because it wasn't our fight, then we wouldn't have had the enemies that we did.
If you agree with my last statement, then "torture" was irrelevant. And if you don't blame both parties for that then you're not sincere in your belief.
image is not irrelevant.
I agree with the statement in general, but I was pointing out it was irrelevant to the post you responded to.
in west germany, the image of the USA was that of the liberators who handed out chewing gums. soldiers were running for their lives literally to reach the US american occupation zone at the end of WWII.
the usa was the protecting force vs. THE RUSSIANS.
after the cold war, these facts were less relevant. and the role of the US was under scrutiny. the obvious asshole behavior as shown after "nineeleven" ultimately destroyed the image of the good american in west germany.
I agree, it's that role that's the issue. If we were fighting a war that was our business for our defense, "torture" would have been irrelevant to the discussion, we have the right to protect ourselves and our troops and I keep quoting "torture" because is wasn't torture.
However, we were fighting a war that wasn't relevant to the defense of the US, and not doing "torture" wouldn't have made it relevant, so once again, "torture" is irrelevant. It is our role that was bad. Again though, Democrats were arm in arm skipping down that lane, if you don't blame them just Republicans then this isn't a relevant discussion, you're just partisan.
Ironically Germany benefited from our taking on Iraq far more than we did. It directs the hatred away from them towards us and Germany is a lot more accessible for attacks.
Ah, the ole antiquated Republican vs. Democrat paradigm. It's like observing something out of the Jurassic. It's a comical prehistoric sham. Democrats were just fine with Conspiracy Theories when the other side had the power.Don't PUSSY-OUT, on us, yet!!!
What examples do you have, of the Dems spinning Conspiracy Theories?????
Who has the time to list em all? Yeah, you guys loved Conspiracy Theories when the other side had the power. Now you're all about the, "You're Evil and Un-American if you dare question the State." Just another partisan Republican vs. Democrat scam. We'll see how you feel about Conspiracy Theories when Republicans are back in power. Should be fun.
