BULLDOG
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Yes, it has to do with the government. That is the whole point, the Left think it should be illegal(meaning prohibited by the State) for a business owner to refuse to provide service to a homosexual wedding. People across the country have been charged by the State and fined out of business for not serving homosexuals for their weddings. They claim that homosexuals "civil rights" are being violated. So in their mind, and in yours, gay "civil rights" trump the First Amendment and rights of Christians and other religious people who feel homosexuality goes against their faith and chose not to participate or associate with it. The First Amendment is clear, Congress shall make no law prohibiting free exercise of religion, which includes an individual business owner's right to not serve a gay wedding.Destroy the economy? That is an interesting take. I more or less agree, it seems conservative leaders folded to corporate blackmail and economic terrorism. I am not surprised, the political process in the US has been more or less hijacked by these multinational corporations. This recent episode in Indiana is just a more overt example of it. What I am more interested here is in the average so called liberal's support of this subversion of democracy by companies like Apple and Salesforce, who threatened to pull jobs out of the state because of a law passed by the people's elected representatives.Here let me give you something of substance. That link that I gave you? That was a group from a church that protested the law. They did so because they came to the conclusion that while they may have beliefs they cannot push them to the extent that they destroy the economy. They cancelled their 2017 gathering.
As for elections, I expect Republicans to lose, like the cowardly and corrupt faggots they are. This is in part due to the fact they fold in one day flat on a basic issue of religious freedom and free association. There is no good reason for a conservative to support the Republican Party, especially after an episode like this, and they will pay for it at the voting booth, like that have in the last two presidential elections.
Indiana seems to be hell bound on destroying the economy for Indiana. Lunch Pail Republican David Fagan resigned as a Port Commisioner because the Republicans want to repeal the Common Construction Wage. The Indiana Republicans have already admitted that the R2W law had nothing to do with inviting businesses to the state. So, it's looking like your economic terrorists are the Republicans. Don't look to the Democrats to the save the day.
Your religious freedom does not elevate businesses to the status of individuals or churches. These are about private lawsuits. These folks cater to the extremists.
Hellbound? Catering to extremists? You are living in a fantasy world of your own delusions. You even can't stay on topic. The Republican Governor caved in a day when major corporations threatened to pull jobs and investment due to this law. Your world view is so childish and shallow(hur dur, vote Democrat, Say no to H8!) you can't understand the political and ethical ramifications of these major multinationals undermining the people's elected representatives and undermining the rights of Christians by blackballing this spineless governor into rescinding the bill.
Your examples prove my point, the Republicans are decadent corporate whores that don't defend conservatism in the slightest. They are happy to fight to deny a working man a decent wage, but they will fold in a day to the blackmail of megacorporations who fund their campaigns and disallow the right of free religion and free association in the name of faggotry. They protect their donors and monied interests, not the interests of the people who vote for them as this episode in Indiana shows. They only care about conserving profits, not protecting the rights of Christians and other people of faith.
I must have missed the clause in the First Amendment you are talking about. "No law shall be made impeding the free exercise of religion(*except in a person's place of business)".
This is an issue at the core of a free society. Society at it's foundation is made up of relations and associations between individuals. Without these interwoven connections between us, there is no society, just atomized individuals. So at a foundational level, if a the State disallows this right of free and voluntary association(and by extension the ability to not associate with individuals), the society is fundamentally not free.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
Again. This did not have anything to do with the government. It's pretty simple. The sick reality is that they catered to a small group of extremists that are too ignorant to realize they were already protected. Now either you were unaware or you bought that hook, line and sinker. I'm thinking a little from column A and a little from column B.
Oh, you can still throw out people left and right but you can't do it on religious grounds.
I understand perfectly what the ramifications are. The ramifications are that nobody wants their business associated with a bunch of people who feel free to discriminate and definitely while they are trying to make a comeback and in an area that doesn't really offer people a whole lot. . Nobody wants to hold conventions in an area that discriminates. It effects their brand.
I sure can stay on topic. It's a series of moves that Indiana has taken.
The extremists here are these rogue and unethical corporations like Apple, who on one hand treat their workers in third world countries so poorly that they require suicide nets(like at their factories in China), and have the gall to lecture people of faith for not wanting to serve homosexual couples for their weddings. They are immoral and corrupt hypocrites. Free exercise of religion and protection of the Constitution and by extension Natural Law, is not the extreme position. Anti-Christian totalitarianism that is on display here is extreme, and un-American.
I thought "liberals" opposed money and corporate influence in politics. But it is ok in your mind for multinationals to blackmail the governor into undermining the democratic will of the people of Indiana and the rights of Christians and the religious? Or are you a hypocrite as well?
Corporate decisions in this case, just like every other case, are based on how it will effect their income. It would cost them money to not take the actions they took. Corporations can not make moral choices because they are not people, no matter what the SC might say.