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CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?????
This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish. Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities.
Can a good Muslim be a good American?
This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply:
Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia.
Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Koran)
Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.
Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.
Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34 )
Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.
Therefore, after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and 'good' Americans. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.
The religious war is bigger than we know or understand!
Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within. SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.
This is the Nazi argument against Judaism.
No one is proposing to put Muslims in concentration camps, moron. However, let them fester where they were born. We gain nothing by importing any of these bloodthirsty savages into our country. Nothing.
Nobody?
lol. You just don't dare say it. If Muslims are as dangerous as you believe, why WOULDN'T you support putting them in concentration camps?
I wouldn't do it because I respect the Constitution, unlike your hero FDR who did put Americans in concentration camps. What I propose is to stop Muslim immigration to this country. They can foul their own nests. There's no need for them to foul ours.
We can amend the Constitution. You support amending the Constitution to get Islam off 1st Amendment protection and then ban the religion,
because it is so dangerous? Correct?
The guy Islam worships, in stark contrast to Jesus Christ...
...and we want more of them here?? Lol
THE CRIMES OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD
Muslims are sanctified by the blood of murdered kafirs. If the prophet of Islam, Mohammed, was alive today he would be sitting on death row somewhere waiting for his execution.
What is important to understand is that none of these depraved and criminal acts are seen as crimes to Muslims, except if they are committed by someone else. They are all holy, divine acts that their own prophet indulged in and therefore they have been given the stamp of validation as the moral code to be emulated by all Muslim men. They are all Sunna [The traditional portion of Muslim law based on Muhammad’s words or acts, accepted (together with the Koran) as authoritative by Muslims].
- Molested his wife – six-year-old Baby Aisha. One of Baby Aisha’s wifely duties was to clean semen stains from the prophet’s clothes. The prophet would take a bath with Baby Aisha and ‘thigh’ with Baby Aisha, meaning she was too small to be penetrated so he would take his penis and rub it up and down her thighs and against her vagina. Being a man of ‘mercy’ he did not penetrate Baby Aisha until she was nine.
- Raped Baby Aisha when she was nine (texts have altered her age when Muslims could not explain why their prophet married and consummated the marriage with a small child. Koranic texts makes it clear that Mohammed married her when she was six years old. For a marriage to be legally deemed valid it had to be sexually consummated. The Hadith clearly proves that Mohammed was a notorious pedophile). Advocated sex with baby girls.
- Raped a retarded woman. Murdered a woman. Had sex with his dead aunt.
- Captured women and raped them. Kept women as sex slaves. Muhammad had sex with 61 women: many he raped. There is no consensual sex between a child girl and a man. There is no consensual sex between a master and his sex slave. There is no consensual sex between a woman conquered in war and her husband conqueror. All such sexual acts are rape. RAPE IS RAPE.
- Had eleven wives at one time. Sexually abused his wives. Raped his wives. Forced sex during their menstruation including Baby Aisha. Mentally abused his wives. Can you imagine taking a child (or any aged woman) and molesting with your hand/fist her menstruating vagina?
- Beheaded his enemies. 600/900 Jewish men at one massacre. Had Jewish boys as young as 13 years old beheaded after pulling down their pants and inspecting groin for pubic hair.
- Ordered the murder, torture, terrorization of Christians and Jews if they did not convert to Islam. Forced Christians and Jews from Saudi Arabia (the mass exile).
- Assassinated people for insulting him or Islam. Established totalitarian rule. Had followers and their families burnt alive in their homes for missing prayer.
- Ordered the extermination, torture and terrorization of kafirs. Instigated 60 massacres and personally participated in 27 of them.
- Owned and sold slaves. Enslaved women and children.
- Called his black slaves pug noses and compared them to Satan.
- Treated his black slaves as beasts of burden.
- Lied and cheated. Mohammed encouraged his men to lie to deceive someone in order to get what he wanted.
- Caused division and hatred. Ordered no befriending with Christians and Jews.
- Subjugated and oppressed Muslim women. Required them to cover their faces.
- Married his daughter–in–law.
- Approved prostitution.
- Encouraged the rape of women in front of their husbands.
- Recommended wife beating. Hit his wife – Baby Aisha.
- Murdered prisoners of war. Committed acts of terror.
- Advocated suicide attacks.
- Executed apostates and homosexuals.
- Beat children who didn’t pray. Abolished adoption.
- Honor killings of Muslim women and children.
- Beat alcoholics. Lied.
- Stoned adulators to death. Stoned a woman to death after she had given birth.
- Ordered thief’s hands/feet chopped off.
- Tortured a man out of greed.
- Looted and plundered.
- Preached hate for people of other religions.
- Extorted money from other religions
- Forced conversions to Islam
- Allowed his companions to execute, behead, rape and enslave.
Goebbels would be proud.
You are the one who is ignorant, you fucking fool. I've lived in 3 Muslim countries for a total of 12 years. They are not anything like Saudi. Saudi does not in any way represent modern Islam. You are an ignorant asshole.Consider the source. Considor the source. Consider the source. This is a concept anyone who went to high school (and paid attention) or took a college writing/composition course: consider the source.Comments?
CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?????
This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish. Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities.
Can a good Muslim be a good American?
This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply:
Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia.
Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Koran)
Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.
Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.
Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34 )
Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.
Therefore, after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and 'good' Americans. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.
The religious war is bigger than we know or understand!
Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within. SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.
Just exactly who is your source and what are his/her qualifications? Someone who has lived in Saudi is familiar with a certain type of Islam, not the modern interpretation of Islam practiced by the vast majority of Muslims in the world. Saudi is a very small country with a miniscule proportion of the 1.7 billion Muslims in the world. Saudi is not a correct representative of the Muslim world.
more ignorance. Mecca (in Saudi Arabia) is the center of the muslim religion. Saudi Arabia practices what the Koran teaches. If you doubt that try to take a Bible into Saudi Arabia. If you are a woman try to drive in Saudi Arabia, or go out in public without a male relative. Iran is almost identical to Saudi Arabia in its practice of Islam.
the ignorance of people like you will result in more American deaths.
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Interestingly...these exact same sort of arguments have been made to "unAmericanize" other groups. A Catholic can't be a good American because he owes his allegience to the Pope. A Jew can't be a good American because he owes his allegience to Israel.
What a moronic OP.
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Interestingly...these exact same sort of arguments have been made to "unAmericanize" other groups. A Catholic can't be a good American because he owes his allegience to the Pope. A Jew can't be a good American because he owes his allegience to Israel.
What a moronic OP.
Christians and jews are not taught to destroy non believers. Muslims are. that's the simple difference. like it or not.
Christians did a lot of destroying of unbelievers...much blood and carnage and forced conversions. No difference. Like it o not.
When? the Crusades? Do you know what the crusades were all about?
When and where were these so-called "forced conversions" ?
Comments?
Interestingly...these exact same sort of arguments have been made to "unAmericanize" other groups. A Catholic can't be a good American because he owes his allegience to the Pope. A Jew can't be a good American because he owes his allegience to Israel.
What a moronic OP.
Christians and jews are not taught to destroy non believers. Muslims are. that's the simple difference. like it or not.
Christians did a lot of destroying of unbelievers...much blood and carnage and forced conversions. No difference. Like it o not.
When? the Crusades? Do you know what the crusades were all about?
When and where were these so-called "forced conversions" ?
A thousand years of Catholic brutality against so-called 'heretics', for starters.
Comments?
Interestingly...these exact same sort of arguments have been made to "unAmericanize" other groups. A Catholic can't be a good American because he owes his allegience to the Pope. A Jew can't be a good American because he owes his allegience to Israel.
What a moronic OP.
Christians and jews are not taught to destroy non believers. Muslims are. that's the simple difference. like it or not.
Christians did a lot of destroying of unbelievers...much blood and carnage and forced conversions. No difference. Like it o not.
When? the Crusades? Do you know what the crusades were all about?
When and where were these so-called "forced conversions" ?
Actually, I wasn't thinking of the Crusades specifically but the overall history of Christianity and it's conquests. Forced conversions were routine in the conquests of the America's and the treatment of it's indiginous people's.
Shouldn't a source be provided? I wonder why the OP didn't link to his source.
The mind reels...
Its an old email from at least 2006. The word 'article' was added at some point. Apparently in attempt to polish the turd.
Email: "Can Muslims Be Good Americans?" | Media Matters Action Network
With mention of this on SNOPES message boards as early as 2006
snopes.com: Can a good Muslim be a good American?
ok so its been around a while. that doesn't change the validity of what it says.
...
You're right. It's just as unvalid now as it was then.
nothing in the OP is untrue, then or now.
I realize that you libs have to be tolerant to the point of your own deaths, but you really need to wake up lest you become the next San Bernardino type victim.
I would be willing to bet that a majority of the SB victims were liberals just like you, now they are DEAD
Plenty of it is untrue. For example, Muslims don't worship an Arabic moon diety (any more than Christians worship a near eastern warrier god).
I am not pro Muslim. I think all religions are foolishCAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?????
Only if they firmly renounce the basic concepts of Islam and Sharia Law.
Like we require Jews to renounce the basic concepts of Judaism and Hebraic law?
Do those jewish concepts call for the murder of all non jews? Do they call for a jewish based system of government and body of law? NO, only islam does those things.
Do all your Muslim 'friends' call for the murder of all non-Muslims? Why are you still alive?
I never said that all of them did. The OP is about the Islamic faith and what it teaches. Luckily not all muslims follow those teachings, or the radical interpretations of those teachings.
But same question for you that I posed to RW, since you are pro gay marriage and pro muslim, and muslims kill gays for simply being gay, how do you reconcile supporting those two causes.?
But as an American, I do not think people should be persecuted for their religion or for their sexuality
Its an old email from at least 2006. The word 'article' was added at some point. Apparently in attempt to polish the turd.
Email: "Can Muslims Be Good Americans?" | Media Matters Action Network
With mention of this on SNOPES message boards as early as 2006
snopes.com: Can a good Muslim be a good American?
ok so its been around a while. that doesn't change the validity of what it says.
...
You're right. It's just as unvalid now as it was then.
nothing in the OP is untrue, then or now.
I realize that you libs have to be tolerant to the point of your own deaths, but you really need to wake up lest you become the next San Bernardino type victim.
I would be willing to bet that a majority of the SB victims were liberals just like you, now they are DEAD
Plenty of it is untrue. For example, Muslims don't worship an Arabic moon diety (any more than Christians worship a near eastern warrier god).
Yes, actually the do. Why do you think the crescent moon is the symbol if Islam?
Comments?
Interestingly...these exact same sort of arguments have been made to "unAmericanize" other groups. A Catholic can't be a good American because he owes his allegience to the Pope. A Jew can't be a good American because he owes his allegience to Israel.
What a moronic OP.
Same old race baiting bullshit. Catholic Americans didn't go around killing large numbers of Americans because they weren't Catholic. Neither did Jews. Neither of them practiced honor killing, Sharia or any of the other horrors of the Muslim world.
Interestingly...these exact same sort of arguments have been made to "unAmericanize" other groups. A Catholic can't be a good American because he owes his allegience to the Pope. A Jew can't be a good American because he owes his allegience to Israel.
What a moronic OP.
Christians and jews are not taught to destroy non believers. Muslims are. that's the simple difference. like it or not.
Christians did a lot of destroying of unbelievers...much blood and carnage and forced conversions. No difference. Like it o not.
When? the Crusades? Do you know what the crusades were all about?
When and where were these so-called "forced conversions" ?
Actually, I wasn't thinking of the Crusades specifically but the overall history of Christianity and it's conquests. Forced conversions were routine in the conquests of the America's and the treatment of it's indiginous people's.
The Spanish conquista is an exception in the history of the Christianity. Most people became Christians through persuasion, not conquest. Islam, on the other hand, is an entirely different story. It's entire history is one of conquest.
ok so its been around a while. that doesn't change the validity of what it says.
...
You're right. It's just as unvalid now as it was then.
nothing in the OP is untrue, then or now.
I realize that you libs have to be tolerant to the point of your own deaths, but you really need to wake up lest you become the next San Bernardino type victim.
I would be willing to bet that a majority of the SB victims were liberals just like you, now they are DEAD
Plenty of it is untrue. For example, Muslims don't worship an Arabic moon diety (any more than Christians worship a near eastern warrier god).
Yes, actually the do. Why do you think the crescent moon is the symbol if Islam?
Modern Gods have origins in ancient Gods and most of our traditions are thinly disguised pagan rituals. So...does that mean Christians and Jews worship a Caananite War God?
Comments?
Interestingly...these exact same sort of arguments have been made to "unAmericanize" other groups. A Catholic can't be a good American because he owes his allegience to the Pope. A Jew can't be a good American because he owes his allegience to Israel.
What a moronic OP.
Same old race baiting bullshit. Catholic Americans didn't go around killing large numbers of Americans because they weren't Catholic. Neither did Jews. Neither of them practiced honor killing, Sharia or any of the other horrors of the Muslim world.
Catholic Americans DO go around killing and persecuting a large number of Muslims
I take it that Americans do not have to firmly renounce the basic concepts of warfarism, interventionism , imperialism
The question should have been : Can native Americans be good Americans.
Harry Truman
Was he acting as an American and within the US Constitution when in 1949 he allowed the Zionist minority to dispossess 1,500,000 Muslims in Palestine? After that those unfortunate people became foreigners in their own land. The zionists plans were to disappear them by any means necessary.
Bush I, Clinton, Bush II
Were they acting as Americans and within the US Constitution when the US invaded Iraq in 1990 and allowed to remain there for 18 years? How about the act of slaughtering millions of Iraqi women and children?
Obama
Was he acting as an American and within the US Constitution when he invaded Syria and destroyed that country forcing 9,000,000 Muslims to become international refugees?
We must first look at the US and determine whether our actions have provoked RETALIATORY attacks.
Christians and jews are not taught to destroy non believers. Muslims are. that's the simple difference. like it or not.
Christians did a lot of destroying of unbelievers...much blood and carnage and forced conversions. No difference. Like it o not.
When? the Crusades? Do you know what the crusades were all about?
When and where were these so-called "forced conversions" ?
Actually, I wasn't thinking of the Crusades specifically but the overall history of Christianity and it's conquests. Forced conversions were routine in the conquests of the America's and the treatment of it's indiginous people's.
The Spanish conquista is an exception in the history of the Christianity. Most people became Christians through persuasion, not conquest. Islam, on the other hand, is an entirely different story. It's entire history is one of conquest.
You are quite funny. It is by no means an "exception" (did you look at the links for other forced conversions across the European continent?). Islam and Christianity have a lot in common. A lot of "conversions" were done relatively benignly. A ruler converts, and then establishes the religion as the state religion, some convert because the religion appeals and both Islam and Christianity have a focus on the poor and dispossed over the wealthy and entitled that appeals to the mainstream, not to mention a promise of salvation. Some convert for expediency - tax advantages, cultural advantages. But there is also a sordid history of forceable conversions and it's right there in Christianity too.
Comments?
Interestingly...these exact same sort of arguments have been made to "unAmericanize" other groups. A Catholic can't be a good American because he owes his allegience to the Pope. A Jew can't be a good American because he owes his allegience to Israel.
What a moronic OP.
Same old race baiting bullshit. Catholic Americans didn't go around killing large numbers of Americans because they weren't Catholic. Neither did Jews. Neither of them practiced honor killing, Sharia or any of the other horrors of the Muslim world.
Catholic Americans DO go around killing and persecuting a large number of Muslims
I take it that Americans do not have to firmly renounce the basic concepts of warfarism, interventionism , imperialism
The question should have been : Can native Americans be good Americans.
Harry Truman
Was he acting as an American and within the US Constitution when in 1949 he allowed the Zionist minority to dispossess 1,500,000 Muslims in Palestine? After that those unfortunate people became foreigners in their own land. The zionists plans were to disappear them by any means necessary.
Bush I, Clinton, Bush II
Were they acting as Americans and within the US Constitution when the US invaded Iraq in 1990 and allowed to remain there for 18 years? How about the act of slaughtering millions of Iraqi women and children?
Obama
Was he acting as an American and within the US Constitution when he invaded Syria and destroyed that country forcing 9,000,000 Muslims to become international refugees?
We must first look at the US and determine whether our actions have provoked RETALIATORY attacks.
I'm not interested in debating your antisemitic propaganda.
Interestingly...these exact same sort of arguments have been made to "unAmericanize" other groups. A Catholic can't be a good American because he owes his allegience to the Pope. A Jew can't be a good American because he owes his allegience to Israel.
What a moronic OP.
Christians and jews are not taught to destroy non believers. Muslims are. that's the simple difference. like it or not.
Christians did a lot of destroying of unbelievers...much blood and carnage and forced conversions. No difference. Like it o not.
When? the Crusades? Do you know what the crusades were all about?
When and where were these so-called "forced conversions" ?
A thousand years of Catholic brutality against so-called 'heretics', for starters.
The Crusades were launched because Islam was trying to wipe out the Christian world. Most of the territory that is now Islam was once Christian. It was all converted through war and slaughter. Idiots like you ignore that history and focus on a few pathetic counter attacks launched by Christianity. Only idiots of your calibre are swallowing that "logic."
You're right. It's just as unvalid now as it was then.
nothing in the OP is untrue, then or now.
I realize that you libs have to be tolerant to the point of your own deaths, but you really need to wake up lest you become the next San Bernardino type victim.
I would be willing to bet that a majority of the SB victims were liberals just like you, now they are DEAD
Plenty of it is untrue. For example, Muslims don't worship an Arabic moon diety (any more than Christians worship a near eastern warrier god).
Yes, actually the do. Why do you think the crescent moon is the symbol if Islam?
Modern Gods have origins in ancient Gods and most of our traditions are thinly disguised pagan rituals. So...does that mean Christians and Jews worship a Caananite War God?
Allah is literally the pagan moon god of the Arabs before Islam:
http://www.islam-watch.org/home/112...esses-allah-was-a-pagan-god-before-islam.html
Christians did a lot of destroying of unbelievers...much blood and carnage and forced conversions. No difference. Like it o not.
When? the Crusades? Do you know what the crusades were all about?
When and where were these so-called "forced conversions" ?
Actually, I wasn't thinking of the Crusades specifically but the overall history of Christianity and it's conquests. Forced conversions were routine in the conquests of the America's and the treatment of it's indiginous people's.
The Spanish conquista is an exception in the history of the Christianity. Most people became Christians through persuasion, not conquest. Islam, on the other hand, is an entirely different story. It's entire history is one of conquest.
You are quite funny. It is by no means an "exception" (did you look at the links for other forced conversions across the European continent?). Islam and Christianity have a lot in common. A lot of "conversions" were done relatively benignly. A ruler converts, and then establishes the religion as the state religion, some convert because the religion appeals and both Islam and Christianity have a focus on the poor and dispossed over the wealthy and entitled that appeals to the mainstream, not to mention a promise of salvation. Some convert for expediency - tax advantages, cultural advantages. But there is also a sordid history of forceable conversions and it's right there in Christianity too.
What "links?"
