Interesting article on muslims in america

[Redfish]

The US does not have a system of law that is based on a religion. US law allows for the practice of all religions as long as those practices do not violate civil law. Beheading for instance is illegal, stoning is illegal, genital mutilation of little girls is illegal. BUT, those 3 practices are legal under sharia law.

Do you get it now?

So a Muslim in America simply has to comply with our laws like anyone else.

Like Kim Davis does, for instance, no matter what she might think her religion entitles her to do...

Yes, they do. But in order to comply with American law they must reject the parts of the Koran that require them to follow sharia law. Said another way, a muslim can only be a law abiding American if he/she rejects Islamic teachings.

this is not complicated, except for a biased, prejudiced mind like yours.

All you're saying is that one cannot be a bonafide Muslim extremist/fundamentalist and also comply with all US laws.

All you are saying is that American muslims cannot comply with the requirements of their religion.

Do all your Muslim friends comply with the 'requirements' of Islam?

Most do, but some don't. Are you saying that all muslims living in the US do not comply with muslim doctrine?

 

[Redfish]

The US does not have a system of law that is based on a religion. US law allows for the practice of all religions as long as those practices do not violate civil law. Beheading for instance is illegal, stoning is illegal, genital mutilation of little girls is illegal. BUT, those 3 practices are legal under sharia law.

Do you get it now?

"What do we do in the US when religious practices conflict with the law?" - yet you don't answer the question.

Christians Mosaic law, Jews Halakha. Catholics have Cannon Law. All seem perfectly able to follow it within the framework of the Constitution. No one is calling for stoning adulterers or disobedient children for example. Why do you think that Americans who are Muslim are incapable of doing so when they very clearly are?

The point, which you libs have so much trouble understanding, is that someone who follows muslim law and obeys the teachings of the Koran cannot follow and obey US law because the two are in direct conflict in many areas.

The Presbyterian Church now accepts and recognizes same sex marriage. Does that mean Presbyterians are no longer Christians?

That's up to God to decide, not me.

So you're only the decider when it comes to defining a Muslim.

lol, classic.

Never said that. You are the one claiming to know who is a true muslim and what muslims believe and practice.

I only post what I know to be true from life experience and/or reading and studying the topic being discussed.

Have you ever lived, worked in, or visited a muslim country?

 

[Redfish]

Again, you are projecting bull shit on a thread. tea bagger stuff!

Question? Can you be a good American?
Muslim's may not be good Americans but they could be good United States Citizens.

Comments?






CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?????


This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish. Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities.


Can a good Muslim be a good American?

This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia.

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Koran)

Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34 )

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore, after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and 'good' Americans. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.

The religious war is bigger than we know or understand!


Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within. SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.

that is simply a lie. There are no Christian churches or Jewish synagoges in Saudi Arabia or Iran. Religions other than Islam are not allowed to exist in those muslim countries.

If you doubt that, try to take a Bible into Saudi Arabia or hold a Christian service in Iran.

What specifically is a "lie"? That "a lot of times, Jews and Christians were allowed to practice their faith" under Islamic rule"? Do you think that the culture in two countries overrules 1300 years of history?

And while we're looking at history why don't you enlighten us on how wonderfully Muslims and Jews were treated under Christian conquest?

You might want to do a bit of research:
List of synagogues in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Christianity in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You're basing your entire thesis on Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia is the classic example because it is the home of the muslim religion. But pick any muslim country that you wish, then tell us which one allows the free practice of
Christianity or Judaism. You won't find one.

If you think Christians and Jews are free to practice their faith in Iran, then I have some valuable swamp land to sell you.

Saudi Arabia is one country only - and not even the most populous. As far as recognizing, allowing free worship of other religions that varies from country to country. Even non-Muslim countries don't always allow for the free worship of non-nation recognized religion. Religious tolerance is very much a western ideal and the lack of such around the world makes it even more compelling that we fight to protect it here.

Iran has Christian and Jewish populations, who are able to practice their religion though they are subject to the same very restrictive laws as everyone else.

Indonesia allows for the free practice of state recognized religions - of which only 6 are recognized as state religions and seem to allow the free worship of a number of other minority faiths.

Tajikistan is overwhelmingly Muslim but has a tiny Christian and Jewish minority that is allowed to worship freely and the government cracks down on Islamic extremism.

Those a just a few.

Do you realize what those cites actually say? They say that Christians and Jews can practice their religions as long as they comply with sharia law. Sharia law in is direct conflict with every religion except islam. So, once again, you are wrong.

tell me specifically what I have said that is not true. Give me the quotes and then explain why you think they are not true.

Otherwise STFU and go away.

 

[Syriusly]

Here is who Redfish says are not real Americans

Just more of Redfish's continued war on Religion in the United States.

 

[Redfish]

Here is who Redfish says are not real Americans

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Just more of Redfish's continued war on Religion in the United States.

muslims have died in service to the USA, no one ever said otherwise.

the Ft Hood murderer was a practicing muslim in the US Army.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Sure they can be good Americans.

As long as being a good American doesn't get in the way of their religion.

No different than Christian fundamentalist extremists.

 

[NYcarbineer]

"What do we do in the US when religious practices conflict with the law?" - yet you don't answer the question.

Christians Mosaic law, Jews Halakha. Catholics have Cannon Law. All seem perfectly able to follow it within the framework of the Constitution. No one is calling for stoning adulterers or disobedient children for example. Why do you think that Americans who are Muslim are incapable of doing so when they very clearly are?

The point, which you libs have so much trouble understanding, is that someone who follows muslim law and obeys the teachings of the Koran cannot follow and obey US law because the two are in direct conflict in many areas.

The Presbyterian Church now accepts and recognizes same sex marriage. Does that mean Presbyterians are no longer Christians?

That's up to God to decide, not me.

So you're only the decider when it comes to defining a Muslim.

lol, classic.

Never said that. You are the one claiming to know who is a true muslim and what muslims believe and practice.

I only post what I know to be true from life experience and/or reading and studying the topic being discussed.

Have you ever lived, worked in, or visited a muslim country?

Liar. You have said exactly that. You have claimed unequivocally that being a Muslim and being an American are incompatible.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Here is who Redfish says are not real Americans

View attachment 58097

View attachment 58098

Just more of Redfish's continued war on Religion in the United States.

muslims have died in service to the USA, no one ever said otherwise.

the Ft Hood murderer was a practicing muslim in the US Army.

Tell us what your multitude of Muslim friends say about Islamist extremism.

 

[NYcarbineer]

"What do we do in the US when religious practices conflict with the law?" - yet you don't answer the question.

Christians Mosaic law, Jews Halakha. Catholics have Cannon Law. All seem perfectly able to follow it within the framework of the Constitution. No one is calling for stoning adulterers or disobedient children for example. Why do you think that Americans who are Muslim are incapable of doing so when they very clearly are?

The point, which you libs have so much trouble understanding, is that someone who follows muslim law and obeys the teachings of the Koran cannot follow and obey US law because the two are in direct conflict in many areas.

So is fundamentalist Christianity.

NO its not. Unless you are calling idiots like Westboro Baptist fundamentalists. Those morons are not practicing Christianity.

Now you are also the arbiter of what is and isn't Christian?

the doctrines of Christianity and Islam are well known. They were written thousands of years ago. The Bible and the Koran can be read by anyone who is interested.

It is not up to me or you to decide. The facts are plainly written.

Then why are you presuming to know what a person has to be to be a Muslim.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So a Muslim in America simply has to comply with our laws like anyone else.

Like Kim Davis does, for instance, no matter what she might think her religion entitles her to do...

Yes, they do. But in order to comply with American law they must reject the parts of the Koran that require them to follow sharia law. Said another way, a muslim can only be a law abiding American if he/she rejects Islamic teachings.

this is not complicated, except for a biased, prejudiced mind like yours.

All you're saying is that one cannot be a bonafide Muslim extremist/fundamentalist and also comply with all US laws.

All you are saying is that American muslims cannot comply with the requirements of their religion.

Do all your Muslim friends comply with the 'requirements' of Islam?

Most do, but some don't. Are you saying that all muslims living in the US do not comply with muslim doctrine?

You have Muslim friends that kill apostates? That sexually mutilate their female children?

 

[Katzndogz]

Muslims are loyal Americans, very patriotic, until they aren't anymore. Muslims in America are like Muslims in France, Sweden, Norway. They were good Frenchmen, Swedes and Norwegians, until they weren't anymore.

 

[Syriusly]

Here is who Redfish says are not real Americans

View attachment 58097

View attachment 58098

Just more of Redfish's continued war on Religion in the United States.

muslims have died in service to the USA, no one ever said otherwise.

the Ft Hood murderer was a practicing muslim in the US Army.

Oh very good- now you compare those who die honorably in the service of the United States- to a murderer!

Well done.

Just when I thought bigots like you couldn't get any slimier.

Americans have fought in the service of the United States- Christians- Jews- and Muslims.

You just despise Americans based upon their religion- just part of your war on religion.

 

[Syriusly]

Muslims are loyal Americans, very patriotic, until they aren't anymore. Muslims in America are like Muslims in France, Sweden, Norway. They were good Frenchmen, Swedes and Norwegians, until they weren't anymore.

Another RWNJ part of the Right wing attack on religion.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Again, you are projecting bull shit on a thread. tea bagger stuff!

Question? Can you be a good American?
Muslim's may not be good Americans but they could be good United States Citizens.

Comments?






CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?????


This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish. Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities.


Can a good Muslim be a good American?

This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia.

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Koran)

Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34 )

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore, after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and 'good' Americans. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.

The religious war is bigger than we know or understand!


Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within. SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.

What specifically is a "lie"? That "a lot of times, Jews and Christians were allowed to practice their faith" under Islamic rule"? Do you think that the culture in two countries overrules 1300 years of history?

And while we're looking at history why don't you enlighten us on how wonderfully Muslims and Jews were treated under Christian conquest?

You might want to do a bit of research:
List of synagogues in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Christianity in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You're basing your entire thesis on Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia is the classic example because it is the home of the muslim religion. But pick any muslim country that you wish, then tell us which one allows the free practice of
Christianity or Judaism. You won't find one.

If you think Christians and Jews are free to practice their faith in Iran, then I have some valuable swamp land to sell you.

Saudi Arabia is one country only - and not even the most populous. As far as recognizing, allowing free worship of other religions that varies from country to country. Even non-Muslim countries don't always allow for the free worship of non-nation recognized religion. Religious tolerance is very much a western ideal and the lack of such around the world makes it even more compelling that we fight to protect it here.

Iran has Christian and Jewish populations, who are able to practice their religion though they are subject to the same very restrictive laws as everyone else.

Indonesia allows for the free practice of state recognized religions - of which only 6 are recognized as state religions and seem to allow the free worship of a number of other minority faiths.

Tajikistan is overwhelmingly Muslim but has a tiny Christian and Jewish minority that is allowed to worship freely and the government cracks down on Islamic extremism.

Those a just a few.

Do you realize what those cites actually say? They say that Christians and Jews can practice their religions as long as they comply with sharia law. Sharia law in is direct conflict with every religion except islam. So, once again, you are wrong.

tell me specifically what I have said that is not true. Give me the quotes and then explain why you think they are not true.

Otherwise STFU and go away.

The first thing you said that was not true is that the Koran requires female circumcision.

 

[Syriusly]

Again, you are projecting bull shit on a thread. tea bagger stuff!

Question? Can you be a good American?
Muslim's may not be good Americans but they could be good United States Citizens.

Comments?






CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?????


This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish. Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities.


Can a good Muslim be a good American?

This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia.

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Koran)

Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34 )

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore, after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and 'good' Americans. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.

The religious war is bigger than we know or understand!


Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within. SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.

Saudi Arabia is the classic example because it is the home of the muslim religion. But pick any muslim country that you wish, then tell us which one allows the free practice of
Christianity or Judaism. You won't find one.

If you think Christians and Jews are free to practice their faith in Iran, then I have some valuable swamp land to sell you.

Saudi Arabia is one country only - and not even the most populous. As far as recognizing, allowing free worship of other religions that varies from country to country. Even non-Muslim countries don't always allow for the free worship of non-nation recognized religion. Religious tolerance is very much a western ideal and the lack of such around the world makes it even more compelling that we fight to protect it here.

Iran has Christian and Jewish populations, who are able to practice their religion though they are subject to the same very restrictive laws as everyone else.

Indonesia allows for the free practice of state recognized religions - of which only 6 are recognized as state religions and seem to allow the free worship of a number of other minority faiths.

Tajikistan is overwhelmingly Muslim but has a tiny Christian and Jewish minority that is allowed to worship freely and the government cracks down on Islamic extremism.

Those a just a few.

Do you realize what those cites actually say? They say that Christians and Jews can practice their religions as long as they comply with sharia law. Sharia law in is direct conflict with every religion except islam. So, once again, you are wrong.

tell me specifically what I have said that is not true. Give me the quotes and then explain why you think they are not true.

Otherwise STFU and go away.

The first thing you said that was not true is that the Koran requires female circumcision.

Hard to identify the first falsehood Red has posted.

There have been so many.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Again, you are projecting bull shit on a thread. tea bagger stuff!

Question? Can you be a good American?
Muslim's may not be good Americans but they could be good United States Citizens.

Saudi Arabia is one country only - and not even the most populous. As far as recognizing, allowing free worship of other religions that varies from country to country. Even non-Muslim countries don't always allow for the free worship of non-nation recognized religion. Religious tolerance is very much a western ideal and the lack of such around the world makes it even more compelling that we fight to protect it here.

Iran has Christian and Jewish populations, who are able to practice their religion though they are subject to the same very restrictive laws as everyone else.

Indonesia allows for the free practice of state recognized religions - of which only 6 are recognized as state religions and seem to allow the free worship of a number of other minority faiths.

Tajikistan is overwhelmingly Muslim but has a tiny Christian and Jewish minority that is allowed to worship freely and the government cracks down on Islamic extremism.

Those a just a few.

Do you realize what those cites actually say? They say that Christians and Jews can practice their religions as long as they comply with sharia law. Sharia law in is direct conflict with every religion except islam. So, once again, you are wrong.

tell me specifically what I have said that is not true. Give me the quotes and then explain why you think they are not true.

Otherwise STFU and go away.

The first thing you said that was not true is that the Koran requires female circumcision.

Hard to identify the first falsehood Red has posted.

There have been so many.

He claims he has many Muslims friends in the US but he also claims you can't be a Muslim unless you're a terrorist.

So I guess he has many Muslim terrorist friends in the US.

 

[Syriusly]

Frankly everything in the post is either an outright lie or a distortion.

Let us start-

1. Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia- Muslims believe that they are obligated to obey their religion- just as Christians do. Does a Christian owe greater allegiance to the United States- or to their Christian faith?

1. Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Koran) That is just factually false- and I am sure the author knows that- i.e. it is a lie- Muslims believe that Allah is the same God as that of Christians and Jews- and the Koran specifically instructs Muslim to accept the other people of the book.

Verse (29:46)
Pickthall: And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our Allah and your Allah is One, and unto Him we surrender.

1. Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.Again- misleading- a Christian's scriptural allegiance is likewise to Jesus and a Jew's to God.

1. Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.- But the previous line said a Muslim's allegience was with the five Pillars of Islam- but now it is Mecca? A Muslim turns towards Mecca to pray- how that makes him incompatable with America makes no more sense than calling Catholic's incompatible because of the Pope.

1. Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Really? Why Muslim friends would be surprised to find that out. As would the millions of Christians and Jews around the world that are friends with Muslims

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.
Factually false again- Muslims are under no obligation to 'submit' to mullah's- and certainly not all mullahs teach the annihilation of Israel or the destruction of America- God- what buffoon wrote this crap?

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34 )
And again factually false- 4:34 doesn't say anything about marrying 4 women- I
Pickthall: Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.
Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Except of course- Democracy and Islam have coexisted- right here in the United States

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

Muslims believe that the Christian and Jewish God is Allah- just that Christian's believe understand God incorrectly.

The OP- like all of Redfish's anti-Muslim crap- is just more of Redfish's anti-American and anti-religion crap.

 

[Syriusly]

Again, you are projecting bull shit on a thread. tea bagger stuff!

Do you realize what those cites actually say? They say that Christians and Jews can practice their religions as long as they comply with sharia law. Sharia law in is direct conflict with every religion except islam. So, once again, you are wrong.

tell me specifically what I have said that is not true. Give me the quotes and then explain why you think they are not true.

Otherwise STFU and go away.

The first thing you said that was not true is that the Koran requires female circumcision.

Hard to identify the first falsehood Red has posted.

There have been so many.

He claims he has many Muslims friends in the US but he also claims you can't be a Muslim unless you're a terrorist.

So I guess he has many Muslim terrorist friends in the US.

And if he is friends with terrorists in the United States- then he is an accomplice to terrorism- and a traitor to the Untied States.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Again, you are projecting bull shit on a thread. tea bagger stuff!

tell me specifically what I have said that is not true. Give me the quotes and then explain why you think they are not true.

Otherwise STFU and go away.

The first thing you said that was not true is that the Koran requires female circumcision.

Hard to identify the first falsehood Red has posted.

There have been so many.

He claims he has many Muslims friends in the US but he also claims you can't be a Muslim unless you're a terrorist.

So I guess he has many Muslim terrorist friends in the US.

And if he is friends with terrorists in the United States- then he is an accomplice to terrorism- and a traitor to the Untied States.

Of course.

 

[boilermaker55]

You always get so pissy and our panties in a knot over horse shit religion when it comes to christianity. So, I take nothing you say about anyones religion seriously because you are such a full of shit artist.
When you have something of substance that can be talked about without projecting your hatred into it. Maybe.

As for shutting up. Fuck off.

Again, you are projecting bull shit on a thread. tea bagger stuff!

Question? Can you be a good American?
Muslim's may not be good Americans but they could be good United States Citizens.

Comments?






CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?????


This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish. Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities.


Can a good Muslim be a good American?

This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia.

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Koran)

Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34 )

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore, after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and 'good' Americans. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.

The religious war is bigger than we know or understand!


Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within. SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.

What specifically is a "lie"? That "a lot of times, Jews and Christians were allowed to practice their faith" under Islamic rule"? Do you think that the culture in two countries overrules 1300 years of history?

And while we're looking at history why don't you enlighten us on how wonderfully Muslims and Jews were treated under Christian conquest?

You might want to do a bit of research:
List of synagogues in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Christianity in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You're basing your entire thesis on Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia is the classic example because it is the home of the muslim religion. But pick any muslim country that you wish, then tell us which one allows the free practice of
Christianity or Judaism. You won't find one.

If you think Christians and Jews are free to practice their faith in Iran, then I have some valuable swamp land to sell you.

Saudi Arabia is one country only - and not even the most populous. As far as recognizing, allowing free worship of other religions that varies from country to country. Even non-Muslim countries don't always allow for the free worship of non-nation recognized religion. Religious tolerance is very much a western ideal and the lack of such around the world makes it even more compelling that we fight to protect it here.

Iran has Christian and Jewish populations, who are able to practice their religion though they are subject to the same very restrictive laws as everyone else.

Indonesia allows for the free practice of state recognized religions - of which only 6 are recognized as state religions and seem to allow the free worship of a number of other minority faiths.

Tajikistan is overwhelmingly Muslim but has a tiny Christian and Jewish minority that is allowed to worship freely and the government cracks down on Islamic extremism.

Those a just a few.

Do you realize what those cites actually say? They say that Christians and Jews can practice their religions as long as they comply with sharia law. Sharia law in is direct conflict with every religion except islam. So, once again, you are wrong.

tell me specifically what I have said that is not true. Give me the quotes and then explain why you think they are not true.

Otherwise STFU and go away.