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[Asclepias]

Just because its fun burying you under a mountain of evidence....

Gaston Maspero (1846-1916): "By the almost unanimous testimony of ancient historians, they (Egyptians) belonged to an African race [read: Negro] which first settled in Ethiopia, on the Middle Nile; following the course of the river, they gradually reached the sea. ... Moreover, the Bible states that Mesraim, son of Ham, brother of Chus (Kush) the Ethiopian, and of Canaan, came from Mesopotamia to settle with his children on the banks of the Nile." {endnote 8: Gaston Maspero, Histoire ancienne des peuples de l'Orient. Paris: Hachette, 1917, p. 15, 12th ed. (Translated as: The Dawn of Civilization. London, 1894; reprinted, New York: Frederick Ungar, 1968.)} ...

 

[ChrisL]

All Black everything.

Of course the regiments of soldiers and OCCURRENCE of Deep Africans in ancient Egypt records would be expected. Because an advanced civilization like Egypt in 1000 to 300BC would be totally integrated with their "neighborhood". And it's EXPECTED that dynasties like that would have regiments of soldiers, royal emissaries and assistants from the surrounding cultures.

It's possibly not as TOTAL a picture as you've been led to believe. The DNA evidence is not really that clear because of mixing for centuries. But the link I read said the Deep Africa roots were more prevalent as you closer to the present. Departing from Levant and other Northern strains with time..

Its just the opposite. The further you go back in Egypts timeline the Blacker it gets. There is a reason they pointed to the interior of Africa as the land of the of gods. There is a reason their orientation in regards to geographical north was the opposite of what it is now. They viewed present day Africa as the top of the world. Civilizations always occurs upstream first of major waterways. Upstream on the Nile is in the heart of Black Africa. There is really no debate on the issue. They said these things themselves.

Wait up bro.. I'm dealing with some bum info from another poster in this thread. Will get back atcha..

Bum info?

 

[Asclepias]

I know they tested the DNA you recessive monkey. It was Black DNA.

The key difference between your claim and my claim is you posted 0 support for your claim.

You dont symbolically draw Black people and have other white people say these people were Black like Herodotus said. All cultures use a likeness of themselves even when drawing symbolically you moron. Yes there is a Sphinx you idiot. Its in Egypt. How do I know? Because I saw it there retard.

So the Sphinx was a real creature that existed and the Egyptians sculpted its likeness? Hole shit you are retarded!

I already posted the DNA for Ramses. Just because you cant read doesnt mean its not here.

And did you bother to click on the link that the article you posted references? Here's what that link says:

Contamination from handling and intrusion from microbes create obstacles to the recovery of ancient DNA.[1] Consequently, most DNA studies have been carried out on modern Egyptian populations with the intent of learning about the influences of historical migrations on the population of Egypt.[2][3][4][5] A study published in 1993 was performed on ancient mummies of the 12th Dynasty, which identified multiple lines of descent, some of which originated in Sub-Saharan Africa.[6]

In 2013, Khairat et al. conducted the first genetic study utilizing next-generation sequencing to ascertain the ancestral lineage of an Ancient Egyptian individual. The researchers extracted DNA from the heads of five Egyptian mummies that were housed at the institution. All the specimens were dated to between 806 BC and 124 AD, a timeframe corresponding with the Late Dynastic and Ptolemaic periods. The researchers observed that one of the mummified individuals likely belonged to the mtDNA haplogroup I2, a maternal clade that is believed to have originated in Western Asia.[7]

A study published in 2017 described the extraction and analysis of DNA from 151 mummified ancient Egyptian individuals, whose remains were recovered from Abusir el-Meleq in Middle Egypt. Obtaining well-preserved, uncontaminated DNA from mummies has been a problem for the field of archaeogenetics and these samples provided "the first reliable data set obtained from ancient Egyptians using high-throughput DNA sequencing methods". The specimens were living in a period stretching from the late New Kingdom to the Roman era (1388BCE–426CE). Complete mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) sequences were obtained for 90 of the mummies and were compared with each other and with several other ancient and modern datasets. The scientists found that the ancient Egyptian individuals in their own dataset possessed highly similar mitochondrial profiles throughout the examined period. Modern Egyptians generally shared this maternal haplogroup pattern, but also carried more Sub-Saharan African clades. However, analysis of the mummies' mtDNA haplogroups found that they shared greater mitochondrial affinities with modern populations from the Near East and the Levant compared to modern Egyptians. Additionally, three of the ancient Egyptian individuals were analysed for Y-DNA, and were observed to bear paternal lineages that are common in both the Middle East and North Africa. The researchers cautioned that the affinities of the examined ancient Egyptian specimens may not be representative of those of all ancient Egyptians since they were from a single archaeological site.[8]

So the more research they perform and the better the technology gets, the more closely they are able to tie the ancient Egyptians with the Near East and Levant, NOT Sub-Saharan Africa! The source your articles links also says nothing about Ramses being Sub-Saharan/Black.

Just one of many African haplogroups and the one Ramses belongs to.

Haplogroup E-V38 - Wikipedia

"Haplogroup E-V38 is a human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup. It is primarily distributed in Africa. E-V38 has two basal branches, E-M329 (formerly E1b1c) and E-M2 (formerly E1b1a); the E-M329 subclade is today almost exclusively found in Ethiopia. E-M2 is the predominant subclade in Western Africa, Central Africa, Southern Africa and the African Great Lakes, and occurs at low frequencies in North Africa and Middle East. E-M2 has several subclades, but many members are included in either E-L485 or E-U175."

No retard. The sphinx is a giant statue of a lion with a Black mans head on it.

So obviously they sculpted/drew many things symbolically, meaning you can't use the colors or shapes of those works as concrete proof of their appearance.

The problem with your theory is that you cant cross contaminate DNA and make it come up sub-saharan when the only people handling it are whites and mixed Arabs. Sorry but the DNA results stand.

It's not my theory, it's what the document the article you used sourced! How fucking stupid are you?

White people couldnt even sculpt then so we know they didnt symbolically do anything. Again they wouldnt show themselves as Black people at every turn if they were really white. Sorry but your theory fails primarily because its as retarded as it is ridiculous.

They didn't show themselves as black at every turn.

File:Egyptian races.jpg - Wikipedia

When drawn next to one another, you can see a clear difference between the Nubians and Egyptians.

"
The Greek philosopher Aristotle writes in the 4th century B.C. in Physiognomonica that the "Egyptians and Ethiopians were very black."

Here's the text of some of his works:

Full text of "The works of Aristotle"

It contains a section titled "PHYSIOGNOMONICA."

I searched it and did not find that quote. Would you like to point it out for me?

By the way clown. There are a couple of grevious errors you made posting that link to the jpg. For starters even it was legit Its showing what the egyptians thought all the other races looked like. Secondly thats a fresco painted by a european centuries later not the real deal. How do we know this? Well because it says so right in the description.

"Depicting (from left): a Berber, a Nubian, an Asiatic, and an Egyptian. Drawing by an unknown artist after a mural of the tomb of Seti I; Copy by Heinrich von Minutoli (1820). Note that the skin shades are due to the 19th century illustrator, not the Ancient Egyptian original.

I will see if i can locate the real one for you just to rub it in.

 

[bgrouse]

The key difference between your claim and my claim is you posted 0 support for your claim.So the Sphinx was a real creature that existed and the Egyptians sculpted its likeness? Hole shit you are retarded!

I already posted the DNA for Ramses. Just because you cant read doesnt mean its not here.

And did you bother to click on the link that the article you posted references? Here's what that link says:

Contamination from handling and intrusion from microbes create obstacles to the recovery of ancient DNA.[1] Consequently, most DNA studies have been carried out on modern Egyptian populations with the intent of learning about the influences of historical migrations on the population of Egypt.[2][3][4][5] A study published in 1993 was performed on ancient mummies of the 12th Dynasty, which identified multiple lines of descent, some of which originated in Sub-Saharan Africa.[6]

In 2013, Khairat et al. conducted the first genetic study utilizing next-generation sequencing to ascertain the ancestral lineage of an Ancient Egyptian individual. The researchers extracted DNA from the heads of five Egyptian mummies that were housed at the institution. All the specimens were dated to between 806 BC and 124 AD, a timeframe corresponding with the Late Dynastic and Ptolemaic periods. The researchers observed that one of the mummified individuals likely belonged to the mtDNA haplogroup I2, a maternal clade that is believed to have originated in Western Asia.[7]

A study published in 2017 described the extraction and analysis of DNA from 151 mummified ancient Egyptian individuals, whose remains were recovered from Abusir el-Meleq in Middle Egypt. Obtaining well-preserved, uncontaminated DNA from mummies has been a problem for the field of archaeogenetics and these samples provided "the first reliable data set obtained from ancient Egyptians using high-throughput DNA sequencing methods". The specimens were living in a period stretching from the late New Kingdom to the Roman era (1388BCE–426CE). Complete mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) sequences were obtained for 90 of the mummies and were compared with each other and with several other ancient and modern datasets. The scientists found that the ancient Egyptian individuals in their own dataset possessed highly similar mitochondrial profiles throughout the examined period. Modern Egyptians generally shared this maternal haplogroup pattern, but also carried more Sub-Saharan African clades. However, analysis of the mummies' mtDNA haplogroups found that they shared greater mitochondrial affinities with modern populations from the Near East and the Levant compared to modern Egyptians. Additionally, three of the ancient Egyptian individuals were analysed for Y-DNA, and were observed to bear paternal lineages that are common in both the Middle East and North Africa. The researchers cautioned that the affinities of the examined ancient Egyptian specimens may not be representative of those of all ancient Egyptians since they were from a single archaeological site.[8]

So the more research they perform and the better the technology gets, the more closely they are able to tie the ancient Egyptians with the Near East and Levant, NOT Sub-Saharan Africa! The source your articles links also says nothing about Ramses being Sub-Saharan/Black.

Just one of many African haplogroups and the one Ramses belongs to.

Haplogroup E-V38 - Wikipedia

"Haplogroup E-V38 is a human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup. It is primarily distributed in Africa. E-V38 has two basal branches, E-M329 (formerly E1b1c) and E-M2 (formerly E1b1a); the E-M329 subclade is today almost exclusively found in Ethiopia. E-M2 is the predominant subclade in Western Africa, Central Africa, Southern Africa and the African Great Lakes, and occurs at low frequencies in North Africa and Middle East. E-M2 has several subclades, but many members are included in either E-L485 or E-U175."

No retard. The sphinx is a giant statue of a lion with a Black mans head on it.

So obviously they sculpted/drew many things symbolically, meaning you can't use the colors or shapes of those works as concrete proof of their appearance.

The problem with your theory is that you cant cross contaminate DNA and make it come up sub-saharan when the only people handling it are whites and mixed Arabs. Sorry but the DNA results stand.

It's not my theory, it's what the document the article you used sourced! How fucking stupid are you?

White people couldnt even sculpt then so we know they didnt symbolically do anything. Again they wouldnt show themselves as Black people at every turn if they were really white. Sorry but your theory fails primarily because its as retarded as it is ridiculous.

They didn't show themselves as black at every turn.

File:Egyptian races.jpg - Wikipedia

When drawn next to one another, you can see a clear difference between the Nubians and Egyptians.

"
The Greek philosopher Aristotle writes in the 4th century B.C. in Physiognomonica that the "Egyptians and Ethiopians were very black."

Here's the text of some of his works:

Full text of "The works of Aristotle"

It contains a section titled "PHYSIOGNOMONICA."

I searched it and did not find that quote. Would you like to point it out for me?

Of course they did until whites invaded.

What is this in response to?

You were looking for the wrong quote dufus.

So you quoted it incorrectly, you degenerate ape!

"Too black a hue marks the coward, as witness Egyptians
and Ethiopians":

And it's followed by this:

and so does also too white a complexion,
as you may see from women

So would you draw from that conclusion that all women known to Aristotle were white? Don't be an idiot!

Here is Herodotus before him.

".. but I myself guessed their Egyptian origin not only because the Colchians are dark-skinned and curly-haired ..."

"..but more importantly because Colchians, Egyptians and Ethiopians are the only peoples in the world who practise circumcision and who have always done so."



BTW thanks for providing the irrefutable proof by linking to his own words.

Oh, gee! Another gem!

The reliability of Herodotus is sometimes criticized when writing about Egypt.[56][l] Alan B. Lloyd argues that, as a historical document, the writings of Herodotus are seriously defective, and that he was working from "inadequate sources".[50] Nielsen writes: "Though we cannot entirely rule out the possibility of Herodotus having been in Egypt, it must be said that his narrative bears little witness to it."[51] German historian Detlev Fehling questions whether Herodotus ever traveled up the Nile River, and considers doubtful almost everything that he says about Egypt and Ethiopia.[68][52] Fehling states that "there is not the slightest bit of history behind the whole story" about the claim of Herodotus that Pharaoh Sesostris campaigned in Europe, and that he left a colony in Colchia.[54][53][m]

It's obvious that you have an agenda since you choose to follow unreliable old sources instead of modern scientific ones.

Just because its fun burying you under a mountain of evidence....

Gaston Maspero (1846-1916): "By the almost unanimous testimony of ancient historians, they (Egyptians) belonged to an African race [read: Negro] which first settled in Ethiopia, on the Middle Nile; following the course of the river, they gradually reached the sea. ... Moreover, the Bible states that Mesraim, son of Ham, brother of Chus (Kush) the Ethiopian, and of Canaan, came from Mesopotamia to settle with his children on the banks of the Nile." {endnote 8: Gaston Maspero, Histoire ancienne des peuples de l'Orient. Paris: Hachette, 1917, p. 15, 12th ed. (Translated as: The Dawn of Civilization. London, 1894; reprinted, New York: Frederick Ungar, 1968.)} ...

That's a story from a religious book, you dumbass. You read a myth and thought it was real! Your mountain of evidence is a mountain of bullshit.

By the way clown. There are a couple of grevious errors you made posting that link to the jpg. For starters even it was legit Its showing what the egyptians thought all the other races looked like.

So the Egyptians are only a reliable source if they agree with your bullshit argument?

Secondly thats a fresco painted by a european centuries later not the real deal. How do we know this? Well because it says so right in the description.

"Depicting (from left): a Berber, a Nubian, an Asiatic, and an Egyptian. Drawing by an unknown artist after a mural of the tomb of Seti I; Copy by Heinrich von Minutoli (1820). Note that the skin shades are due to the 19th century illustrator, not the Ancient Egyptian original.

I will see if i can locate the real one for you just to rub it in.

 

[Michelle420]

I'd date any race if I had a great connection/attraction to the person.

 

[Gracie]

The topic kinda went south, didn't it? But, I am not complaining. Fascinating reading. I learn something new every time I read entries. I gotta say that I do admire Ascl's additions. Lots of stuff I never knew until he posted 'em.

 

[Asclepias]

I already posted the DNA for Ramses. Just because you cant read doesnt mean its not here.

And did you bother to click on the link that the article you posted references? Here's what that link says:

Contamination from handling and intrusion from microbes create obstacles to the recovery of ancient DNA.[1] Consequently, most DNA studies have been carried out on modern Egyptian populations with the intent of learning about the influences of historical migrations on the population of Egypt.[2][3][4][5] A study published in 1993 was performed on ancient mummies of the 12th Dynasty, which identified multiple lines of descent, some of which originated in Sub-Saharan Africa.[6]

In 2013, Khairat et al. conducted the first genetic study utilizing next-generation sequencing to ascertain the ancestral lineage of an Ancient Egyptian individual. The researchers extracted DNA from the heads of five Egyptian mummies that were housed at the institution. All the specimens were dated to between 806 BC and 124 AD, a timeframe corresponding with the Late Dynastic and Ptolemaic periods. The researchers observed that one of the mummified individuals likely belonged to the mtDNA haplogroup I2, a maternal clade that is believed to have originated in Western Asia.[7]

A study published in 2017 described the extraction and analysis of DNA from 151 mummified ancient Egyptian individuals, whose remains were recovered from Abusir el-Meleq in Middle Egypt. Obtaining well-preserved, uncontaminated DNA from mummies has been a problem for the field of archaeogenetics and these samples provided "the first reliable data set obtained from ancient Egyptians using high-throughput DNA sequencing methods". The specimens were living in a period stretching from the late New Kingdom to the Roman era (1388BCE–426CE). Complete mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) sequences were obtained for 90 of the mummies and were compared with each other and with several other ancient and modern datasets. The scientists found that the ancient Egyptian individuals in their own dataset possessed highly similar mitochondrial profiles throughout the examined period. Modern Egyptians generally shared this maternal haplogroup pattern, but also carried more Sub-Saharan African clades. However, analysis of the mummies' mtDNA haplogroups found that they shared greater mitochondrial affinities with modern populations from the Near East and the Levant compared to modern Egyptians. Additionally, three of the ancient Egyptian individuals were analysed for Y-DNA, and were observed to bear paternal lineages that are common in both the Middle East and North Africa. The researchers cautioned that the affinities of the examined ancient Egyptian specimens may not be representative of those of all ancient Egyptians since they were from a single archaeological site.[8]

So the more research they perform and the better the technology gets, the more closely they are able to tie the ancient Egyptians with the Near East and Levant, NOT Sub-Saharan Africa! The source your articles links also says nothing about Ramses being Sub-Saharan/Black.

Just one of many African haplogroups and the one Ramses belongs to.

Haplogroup E-V38 - Wikipedia

"Haplogroup E-V38 is a human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup. It is primarily distributed in Africa. E-V38 has two basal branches, E-M329 (formerly E1b1c) and E-M2 (formerly E1b1a); the E-M329 subclade is today almost exclusively found in Ethiopia. E-M2 is the predominant subclade in Western Africa, Central Africa, Southern Africa and the African Great Lakes, and occurs at low frequencies in North Africa and Middle East. E-M2 has several subclades, but many members are included in either E-L485 or E-U175."

No retard. The sphinx is a giant statue of a lion with a Black mans head on it.

So obviously they sculpted/drew many things symbolically, meaning you can't use the colors or shapes of those works as concrete proof of their appearance.

The problem with your theory is that you cant cross contaminate DNA and make it come up sub-saharan when the only people handling it are whites and mixed Arabs. Sorry but the DNA results stand.

It's not my theory, it's what the document the article you used sourced! How fucking stupid are you?

White people couldnt even sculpt then so we know they didnt symbolically do anything. Again they wouldnt show themselves as Black people at every turn if they were really white. Sorry but your theory fails primarily because its as retarded as it is ridiculous.

They didn't show themselves as black at every turn.

File:Egyptian races.jpg - Wikipedia

When drawn next to one another, you can see a clear difference between the Nubians and Egyptians.

"
The Greek philosopher Aristotle writes in the 4th century B.C. in Physiognomonica that the "Egyptians and Ethiopians were very black."

Here's the text of some of his works:

Full text of "The works of Aristotle"

It contains a section titled "PHYSIOGNOMONICA."

I searched it and did not find that quote. Would you like to point it out for me?

Of course they did until whites invaded.

What is this in response to?

You were looking for the wrong quote dufus.

So you quoted it incorrectly, you degenerate ape!

"Too black a hue marks the coward, as witness Egyptians
and Ethiopians":

And it's followed by this:

and so does also too white a complexion,
as you may see from women

So would you draw from that conclusion that all women known to Aristotle were white? Don't be an idiot!

Here is Herodotus before him.

".. but I myself guessed their Egyptian origin not only because the Colchians are dark-skinned and curly-haired ..."

"..but more importantly because Colchians, Egyptians and Ethiopians are the only peoples in the world who practise circumcision and who have always done so."



BTW thanks for providing the irrefutable proof by linking to his own words.

Oh, gee! Another gem!

The reliability of Herodotus is sometimes criticized when writing about Egypt.[56][l] Alan B. Lloyd argues that, as a historical document, the writings of Herodotus are seriously defective, and that he was working from "inadequate sources".[50] Nielsen writes: "Though we cannot entirely rule out the possibility of Herodotus having been in Egypt, it must be said that his narrative bears little witness to it."[51] German historian Detlev Fehling questions whether Herodotus ever traveled up the Nile River, and considers doubtful almost everything that he says about Egypt and Ethiopia.[68][52] Fehling states that "there is not the slightest bit of history behind the whole story" about the claim of Herodotus that Pharaoh Sesostris campaigned in Europe, and that he left a colony in Colchia.[54][53][m]

It's obvious that you have an agenda since you choose to follow unreliable old sources instead of modern scientific ones.

Just because its fun burying you under a mountain of evidence....

Gaston Maspero (1846-1916): "By the almost unanimous testimony of ancient historians, they (Egyptians) belonged to an African race [read: Negro] which first settled in Ethiopia, on the Middle Nile; following the course of the river, they gradually reached the sea. ... Moreover, the Bible states that Mesraim, son of Ham, brother of Chus (Kush) the Ethiopian, and of Canaan, came from Mesopotamia to settle with his children on the banks of the Nile." {endnote 8: Gaston Maspero, Histoire ancienne des peuples de l'Orient. Paris: Hachette, 1917, p. 15, 12th ed. (Translated as: The Dawn of Civilization. London, 1894; reprinted, New York: Frederick Ungar, 1968.)} ...

That's a story from a religious book, you dumbass. You read a myth and thought it was real! Your mountain of evidence is a mountain of bullshit.

By the way clown. There are a couple of grevious errors you made posting that link to the jpg. For starters even it was legit Its showing what the egyptians thought all the other races looked like.

So the Egyptians are only a reliable source if they agree with your bullshit argument?

Secondly thats a fresco painted by a european centuries later not the real deal. How do we know this? Well because it says so right in the description.

"Depicting (from left): a Berber, a Nubian, an Asiatic, and an Egyptian. Drawing by an unknown artist after a mural of the tomb of Seti I; Copy by Heinrich von Minutoli (1820). Note that the skin shades are due to the 19th century illustrator, not the Ancient Egyptian original.

I will see if i can locate the real one for you just to rub it in.

I would draw from that the Greeks werent too found of you pale skins from their north. There is a reason they called you people savages. While here Plato is calling you a coward along with Blacks like the Egyptians and the Ethiopians as he so vividly pointed out. Its amusing to me you never addressed the fact that you got caught trying to pass a forgery as the real thing. What are you excuses for this?


Of course I have an agenda. Its to bury you with evidence from people that actually saw the Egyptians and the words of the Egyptians themselves. So we have numerous greeks who freely admit the Egyptians were Black. We have the Bible that irrefutably says the Egyptians were Black. We have the Egyptians themselves that called their land Kmet which means Black Land or Black People. We have the Egyptians drawing pictures of Black people and making statues of Black people while mysteriously never depicting themselves as whites.. We have Egyptians telling you that the present day continent of Africa was deemed to be the top of the world. We have the Egyptians proclaiming themselves they came from Black Africa. We even have DNA of Black Pharaohs. Then we have some insecure white writers trying to argue Herodotus was lying while not offering a shred of proof as to why and not addressing the fact that other Greeks said they were Black. Gimme a break clown. Who are you going to believe?

BTW here is the original mural the white guy forged his copy from.

 

[Asclepias]

The topic kinda went south, didn't it? But, I am not complaining. Fascinating reading. I learn something new every time I read entries. I gotta say that I do admire Ascl's additions. Lots of stuff I never knew until he posted 'em.

Sorry to mess up your thread.

 

[Gracie]

The topic kinda went south, didn't it? But, I am not complaining. Fascinating reading. I learn something new every time I read entries. I gotta say that I do admire Ascl's additions. Lots of stuff I never knew until he posted 'em.

Sorry to mess up your thread.

No no no. You are not messing it up. I find it very...educational. Keep going!

 

[Paul Essien]

Make africa great again or perhaps start a new africa such as detroit , memphrica , apelanta , etc

If Africa is such a shit hole then why did they have fight whites to get out of there ?

Why did we have Nelson Mandela ?

A black person in Africa doing for self is not tolerated to the white supemacists,

Go and ask Robert Mugabe how the white supremacist reacted to him demanding that the land of Zimbabwe be returned to black natives. (This is in a country where whites own 90% of the land)

UK and America control most of the huge mineral reserves in Zimbabwe which are crucial to western impearlism. Britain want FULL control of the vast mineral resources like diamonds, gold, platinum, copper which Africa has in abundance and which is virtually all in the hands of western owned companies like Anglo American, SHELL, BP. Mr. Mugabe's Pro-Nationalist policies go against their HUGE interest.

Now do you think the white supremacists would give that up to make Africa great again ?

The mobile phone or I-phone you have in your pocket, or laptop would not even work without congolese coltan

And who do you think mines that ? Yup black Africans. Who control Coltan deposits over there ? Apple and other western corps.

Do you think they will give up that easy to make African great again ?

The USA alone (5% of the world population) consume 30% of produced African natural resources which they purchase at bargain prices or for virtually nothing as debt payback.

In contrast, local infrastructures are crumbling, social programmes and local developments are cut because of the paybacks of interests and the debt itself. Corruption does the rest.

It's not that right that the resource rich African countries are held hostage by the West through debt. The payback is done to a large part as “rebate in kind” by even more resources at ridiculously low prices.

The higher the debt the tougher the negotiation basis and the least favourable for the producing country. Those countries are drawn into handcuff contracts of globally or regionally exclusive authorisations to exploit certain local resources.

In order for Africa to rise. White supremacy has to meet it's demise.

The two can't co-exist as one.

In America history shows that even when blacks are nowhere near whites, liven in a separate town,city, state, country whites still aren’t satisfied

You know whites like you often like to come with the "Go and do for yourself" argument

Well guess what ? Black people did just that in Rosewood and Tulsa

And what did whites do with the aid of the USA government

Burnt it to the ground

This kind of rage, destroying a community they felt they should be superior to out of resentment was the sign of their inherent weakness. That’s why they came in their hundreds to kill a much smaller number of people.

In Rosewood and the Tulsa Race Riot the police handed out guns and badges to hundreds of White men. Other Whites broke into hardware stores and took guns. They killed 100's.

The governor sent the National Guard to disarm Blacks and take them prisoner. But they did not disarm any Whites.

Most insurance policies had a riot exclusion clause and would not pay. And the courts bent over backwards to protect the city and insurance companies.

Both of these places had had its own hospital, hotels, shops, two newspapers and two cinemas. But when the riot was over, it looked like it had been hit by a war.

The historical example of Rosewood and Tulsa gives the lie that if black people went on their own and built for self everything would be fine.

Black people have shown themselves to be more than capable of achieving this. The FACT is they have always been prevented.

This aspect does not only apply to America it applies on a global scale too. Its not just Black communities which have been prevented from organically growing and developing. Its countries and states too.

Growth of ones own community can no longer be considered in isolation it has to be within an agreed shared global structure which includes everyone. While the ideology and controlling structure of white supremacy remains firmly in place restrictions will ultimately always apply.

Its no different to slaves growing their own independent business on the plantation. Sooner or later if its successful the master will want a cut of any of the profits or control of it. Eventually either dominating it completely, eliminating it to avoid unfavorable competition or even having it challenge the plantation slave institution itself!

Go make your own Nation. Don't suck off Whitey.

Make africa great again or perhaps start a new africa such as detroit , memphrica , apelanta , etc.

Suck off whitey ?

White people were sucking off black people because white people depended on laws to defend slavery and segregation so as to elevate whites, politically, socially and economically.

Whites were dependent on the Naturalization Act of 1790, to make all European immigrants eligible for automatic citizenship, with rights above all black ppl.

Whites were sucking off the land giveaways like the Homestead Act, and housing subsidies that were essentially white-only for years, like FHA and VA loans. Even the GI Bill was largely for whites only, and all of these government efforts were instrumental in creating the white middle class. But it goes deeper than that.

From the earliest days, whites were sucking off the land and resources of the Americas, Africa, and Asia. Since Europe offered no substantial riches from its soil, European economic advance was entirely reliant on the sucking of other people’s land by force, trickery or coercion.

Then these same Europeans relied on slave labor to build a new nation and to create wealth for themselves; wealth that was instrumental to financing the American Revolution, as well as allowing the textile and tobacco industries to emerge as international powerhouses. From 1790 to 1860 alone, whites and the overall economy reaped the benefits of as much as $40 billion in unpaid black labor.

Now I'm sure you'll say "Africans sold their own" this too indicates how dependent whites have been on blacks: having to pay and bribe Africans to catch their own and deliver them to us so as to fatten the profits of European elites. Whites couldn’t even do that themselves.

Then whites were sucking off the Native peoples to teach u farming skills, as the earliest colonists starved to death and turned to cannibalism when the winters came in order to survive.

Whites were sucking off Mexicans to teach them how to extract gold from riverbeds and quartz (critical to the growth of the economy in the mid-to late-1800s) and whites were sucking off on Asian labor to build the railroads that made transcontinental commerce possible.

Ninety percent of the labor used to build the Central Pacific Railroad in the 1860s were Chinese, imported for the purpose, and exploited because the rail bosses felt they could better control them than white workers.

Whites relied on black women to suckle and care for their children. They relied on blacks to build the levees that kept rivers like the Mississippi from your doorstep. Whites relied on black girls to fan your sleeping white ladies so as to ensure their comfort. Whites relied on blacks to do everything: cooking, cleaning, making your beds, polishing your shoes, chopping the wood to heat your homes, and nursing us back to health when whites fell ill.

During the civil war, the Confederacy relied on blacks to cook for the troops and make the implements of war they would use in battle. Likewise, the Union relied on nearly 200,000 black soldiers to ultimately win the war. That too, is most assuredly dependence.

And white dependence on black people continues to this day.

Each year, African Americans spend over $500 billion with white-owned companies: money that goes mostly into the pockets of the white owners, white employees, white stockholders, and the white communities in which they live.

And yet you dare say black people are sucking off whitey ?

Now let’s just cut the crap.

Who would be hurt more: black folks if all welfare programs were shut down tomorrow, or white folks, if blacks decided they were through transferring half-a-trillion dollars each year to white people and were going to keep ourr money in our own communities?

Or what about the ongoing dependence of white businesses on the exploitation of black labor?

Each year, according to estimates from the Urban Institute, over $120 billion in wages are lost to African Americans thanks to discrimination in labor markets. That’s money that doesn’t end up in the hands of the folks who earned it, but rather remains in the bank accounts of whiteowners.

If there were no black folks around, whites would have no one to blame but themselves for the crime that occurred; no one to blame but themselves when u didn’t get the jobs u wanted; no one to blame but themselves when your lives turned out to be less than you’d expected. In short, u need blk people, especially in a subordinate role, as a way to build yourselves up, and provide a sense of self-worth u otherwise lack.

 

[Paul Essien]

I asked you before to show me how white supremacists control the African nation, even giving you an example to explain.

Unqualfied white man admitted into Harvard over more qualfied blacks

Did you respond to that already?

For the 2nd time.

 

[Paul Essien]

So, you know that the Unabomber was racist.?

I don't know.

But I believe he is.

Why ?

Because I can't prove it.

But someone has to be racist.

 

[Paul Essien]

All Black everything.

They already tested the DNA you knuckle-dragging moron.

Ancient Egyptians were closely related to people who lived along the eastern Mediterranean, the analysis showed. They also shared genetic material with residents of the Turkish peninsula at the time and Europe.
“The other big surprise,” Krause said, “was we didn't find much sub-Saharan African ancestry.”

Egyptians sculpted and drew lots of things symbolically. I guess you believe there was really a sphinx, huh?

Great Sphinx of Giza - Wikipedia

You still haven't explained how these ******* that supposedly taught us dumb whites to read and do math can't teach their own nigglets to do so in the present and fall significantly behind the aforementioned whites.

Cmon. Everyone knows that Egyptians are White!!

White people like to think that their civilization emanates from Antiquity (Greece and Rome) which itself emanates from Ancient Egypt.

In these fictionalised barely-historical tales of the beginnings of White civilization, White people like to think that their White ancestors ruled these places. Obviously, this is completely untrue. Greeks may have looked more Arab than anything else.

But if you are marketing a movie, it is the easiest way to do it. Plant loads of white people in the film. It is bound to appeal to the White dollar.

Look....Yeah Yeah I know.....I know that the.“Black people never developed a civilization” belief is one of the most stalwart and enduring mythologies among white supremacists and that may be true if you get your history from Stormfront or quack YouTube historians.

But if you actually go to University, or even subscribe to magazines like… I don’t know… National Geographic, you will learn about Black Pharaohs as a matter of course, as well as many other high Egyptian officials.

Egypt was first settled by blacks. They built the first civilization. Black people were the first to have government, street, talk, soap, study Maths, Physics, Chemistry.

With time other people came in from other areas of the world because they heard of its glory and grandeur. Those who decided to settle married the indigenous people and with time some of them became light skinned.

You and others have reason to downplay the blackness of ancient Egypt while blacks have reason to play it up because if civilization goes all the way back to Egypt and if it turned out to be founded by black people.......what would that say ?

Reconstructions :

Using high-powered computers, experts can now get a rough idea of how someone looked from their skull. They make a living at it by doing it for the police for murder cases. When the same thing is done to the skulls of King Tut and Queen Nefertiti, here is what you got :

What they said in ancient times ::

• Herodotus said Egyptians had black skin and woolly hair, which is how he said the Ethiopians looked too.
• Aristotle called both the Ethiopians and Egyptians black.
• The Bible calls both the Ethiopians and Egyptians sons of Ham.
• The Egyptians themselvessaw themselves as belonging to their own race, different from blacks to the south – but also different from all their other neighbours. On the other hand:
• They called themselves kemet - “black”, though some say it just means they are from the land of black soil (the Nile).
• They said they came from the land of Punt – a place they drew as having elephants and giraffes

What the DNA says :

Present-day Egyptians are, by blood, about 60% Eurasian, like the Arabs who took over their country, and 40% black African. In the past they were, if anything, blacker because since the glory days of Ancient Egypt they have been taken over by the Persians, Greeks, Romans and Arabs.

 

[Bonzi]

I don't personally have any issues with interracial relationships.

I just think there is a better chance for a good one if you hook up with someone that is very much like you, and not just in color, in all ways.....

 

[Cossack1483]

Again , Sir , sounds great to me. Let me the first to offer you the opportunity to create your own racial destiny. Old or New Africa , irrelevant. Make either one great. Please. Point is ; self segregation is for the future of civilization.

 

[Cossack1483]

Hmmm, interesting. My Bible refers to the afore mentioned as tares , strangers and mamzers.

 

[Paul Essien]

Again , Sir , sounds great to me. Let me the first to offer you the opportunity to create your own racial destiny. Old or New Africa , irrelevant. Make either one great. Please. Point is ; self segregation is for the future of civilization.

You arguing for something you already have. You're like Ronald McDonald demanding that he should have right to own a burger shop.

That is USA is already one the most segregated places on earth

You wake up ? Look one way ? What do you see ? White people !!

Look another way ? Yipee !!! More white people !!

Suburban life is an unnatural form of social organization from a human perspective. Children grow up in a relative social vacuum. Many of the pathologies in today’s youth (the school shootings, the “emo” culture, cutting, eating disorders are related to the social isolation imposed on young people by the suburban lifestyle.

Also the suburban lifestyle consumes a high level of natural resources to sustain an individual life. Petroleum to fuel not only the high level of automobile use, but also to supply utilities, water and sewer service to a large number of small individual users. Paving, repairing, plowing and maintaining miles and miles of roadway used by few users.

All down to the system of racism

As the point of peak oil is passed and the natural cycle of supply and demand is driving up the price of petroleum, millions of Americans are feeling the sting of the suburban lifestyle, at the gas pump and on their utility bill.

However, in America, the number of Americans inhabiting suburbs is so large, the infrastructure that has been built to support the suburbs so vast, that they simply lack the ability, from an economic perspective, to effect any sort of mass movement of populace from the suburbs into the cities.

 

[Cossack1483]

Where do you live? I see nothing but colored folk. I do know many White enclaves but the cities are from 80-90% non white. What about mexifornia? LOL. Chicongo? Face it , Dude , multi culturalism is a tragic fail for all. Blax have Separatist leadership as well ; I can relate. So , what is it that makes folks keep shilling for a tired , broken down system?

 

[MarkDuffy]

Mummy DNA unravels ancient Egyptians’ ancestry
Genetic analysis reveals a close relationship with Middle Easterners, not central Africans.

Mummy DNA unravels ancient Egyptians’ ancestry ~ Nature

DNA discovery reveals relatives of ancient Egyptians - CNN

The team's findings do come with one obvious caveat: "All our genetic data (was) obtained from a single site in Middle Egypt and may not be representative for all of ancient Egypt," the paper concedes.

 

[Unkotare]

I don't personally have any issues with interracial relationships.

I just think there is a better chance for a good one if you hook up with someone that is very much like you, and not just in color, in all ways.....

Didn't always work out so well for the Pharos.