Iraq War Cost US 2 Trillion dollars, 200,000 lives. What a waste.

[Billo_Really]

totally wrong on all counts. the UN charter is not law. the UN charter is not the same as a treaty with another country.

It is when Congress ratifies it.

 

[Mac1958]

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How can a person possibly respond to the inference that Obama put us into these wars?

Are people so deluded, so fooled, that they actually believe this?

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[Redfish]

totally wrong on all counts. the UN charter is not law. the UN charter is not the same as a treaty with another country.

It is when Congress ratifies it.

NO, it is not law. The UN charter is not enforceable in US courts. Are you really that ignorant?

 

[Freewill]

I agree with you on one POINT.. Why don't we allow the military to win them?
I agree!
POLITICAL expediency and Liberal MSM bias are the answers and best illustrated by the Congressional Medial of honor winner Dakota Meyers.

Dakota Meyer rightfully won the Medal of Honor .. no question..
.........but the traitor Obama that put around his neck ,CAUSED the deaths of the Marines!

How can Obama do that when HE KNOWS his orders got the Marines killed!
Here is why.. Obama's NEW rules of engagements did the following:

U.S. commanders, citing new rules to avoid civilian casualties,
rejected repeated calls to unleash artillery rounds at attackers dug into the slopes and tree lines — despite being told repeatedly that they weren't near the village."
'We're pinned down:' 4 U.S. Marines die in Afghan ambush | McClatchy
Read more: 'We're pinned down:' 4 U.S. Marines die in Afghan ambush | McClatchy
U.S. commanders, citing new rules to avoid civilian casualties, [/U][/I][/B]
rejected repeated calls to unleash artillery rounds at attackers dug into the slopes and tree lines — despite being told repeatedly that they weren't near the village."

The same with Vietnam! The war was won in the trenches but when Walter Cronkite told his nightly news audience..
"To say that we are closer to victory today is to believe, in the face of the evidence, the optimists who have been wrong in the past.
To suggest we are on the edge of defeat is to yield to unreasonable pessimism.
To say that we are mired in stalemate seems the only realistic, yet unsatisfactory, conclusion.
On the off chance that military and political analysts are right, in the next few months we must test the enemy's intentions, in case this is indeed his last big gasp before negotiations.
But it is increasingly clear to this reporter that the only rational way out then will be to negotiate, not as victors, but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy, and did the best they could"
Walter Cronkite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Whether Cronkite's observation eventually affected American policy in Vietnam or not, it was one of the first overt cases of liberal bias in TV media.
And despite the initial shock of the Tet Offensive, which led to Cronkite concluding that victory in Vietnam was impossible,
the most trusted man in America got it wrong!
Years after the Tet Offensive, shortly after the Vietnam War was over, Washington Post reporter Peter Braestrup published a two-volume work called "The Big Story" that suggested media reporting on the Tet Offensive was overly negative and contributed to a psychological defeat of American policy makers and the American public. Col. Harry Summers, who wrote a 2001 review of the book, calls it the best book on Tet and the media's treatment of it.

Steven Hayward reports the Viet Cong and the North Vietnamese suffered massive losses as a result of Tet.
But Cronkite and the media firestorm that followed, as well as the burgeoning costs of the war, precluded any strategy of capitalizing on what was a clear communist defeat. Tet might well have been a military victory for America and her allies, but partly thanks to Cronkite and the liberal media, it proved to be a psychological defeat.
How Walter Cronkite Helped Lose the Vietnam War 44 Years Ago - Yahoo! News

So to you..Redfish.. I agree the last conflicts the military has had two enemies.. the enemy and the MSM liberal bias!
Keep that in mind everytime you bitch about how bad Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam... seemed to be..
REMEMBER the MSM and especially the Democrats WANT the USA to be losers!
Why else pray tell me would leaders of the Democrat Party make statements like the following that ONLY helped the enemy and demoralized our troops?

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid(D) "The war is lost, the surge is not accomplishing anything "

U.S. Rep. John Murtha(D) "Our troops killed innocent civilians in cold blood,”

Senator Kerry (D) "American soldiers going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children."

Durbin (D) "must have been done by Nazis, Soviets"--action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.
Senator Obama said "troops are air-raiding villages and killing civilians,"

Doesn't matter who you quote.

This was Bush's war. He's the one who lied about it and he's the one who started it.

Sigh, must we go through all the quotes for the rabid left and what they said about Saddam? Must we do that again? Why when you have been shown the truth so many times do you continue in what you accuse Bush? If you remember correctly it was Colin Powell who held up the aluminium tubes and told us of Saddam's weapon program, are you too calling Powell a liar?

No Saddam started the war, congress voted on it, and Bush finished it.

 

[Crackerjaxon]

A new report by the “Costs of War” project at Brown University’s Watson Institute for International Studies finds that nearly 200,000 people, including soldiers and civilians, were killed in the war in Iraq President George W. Bush launched 10 years ago.

The Iraq War was in vain. No WMD were found, and there's no real democracy in Iraq. The facts are clear: The world would have been better off if Saddam were still in power and Gore had taken the office of President, which he rightly won in 2000.

The GOP's refusal to admit to their mistake of starting the Iraq War is one of the reason why they have little power in DC. The US voter is punishing the GOP for their foreign policy mistakes, and they deserve every bit of it and more.

Democrats, on the whole, were very much in favor of invading Iraq.

I don't know why Gore isn't rejoicing that he wasn't elected.

Look at the wonderful career he's had in movies and television after his loss.

Yeah, right.

 

[Redfish]

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How can a person possibly respond to the inference that Obama put us into these wars?

Are people so deluded, so fooled, that they actually believe this?

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obama continued the mistakes made by bush and congress. they are his as much as anyone elses.

I don't see anyone claiming he started them but continuing them make them his.

 

[Billo_Really]

NO, it is not law. The UN charter is not enforceable in US courts. Are you really that ignorant?

Have you ever heard of the Supremacy Clause?

The US Constitution is enforcable and so is any treaty Congress ratifies.

 

[regent]

America was told that Iraq oil would pay for the Iraq war. Secondly, the Congress never voted for the Iraq war, they authorized the president, if Bush thought it necessary, to make the decision. The Congress had simply dumped the Iraq invasion into Bush's lap and Bush made the decision, it was Bush's call.
What did we win in Vietnam, nothing. Korea was sort of a victory in that we achieved our objective removing the North Koreans from south Korea, but these wars with no end are costly, and worse, stupid. What is wrong with us?

 

[Crackerjaxon]

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How can a person possibly respond to the inference that Obama put us into these wars?

Are people so deluded, so fooled, that they actually believe this?

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Obama kept us in these wars because his bosses told him to.

 

[Mac1958]

No Saddam started the war, congress voted on it, and Bush finished it.

Oh no.

Holy crap.

All this time, I didn't realize that Saddam was America's Commander in Chief at the time. So HE made the call to send our troops. Bush was just an innocent bystander.

Okay, sorry, I take it all back.

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[Freewill]

America was told that Iraq oil would pay for the Iraq war. Secondly, the Congress never voted for the Iraq war, they authorized the president, if Bush thought it necessary, to make the decision. The Congress had simply dumped the Iraq invasion into Bush's lap and Bush made the decision, it was Bush's call.
What did we win in Vietnam, nothing. Korea was sort of a victory in that we achieved our objective removing the North Koreans from south Korea, but these wars with no end are costly, and worse, stupid. What is wrong with us?

What did we get out of Kosovo and the 72 days of terror bombing? Where we bombed every bridge over the Danube and paid to rebuild them?

 

[healthmyths]

Redfish said.." leave those countries will degrade back to what they were before we spent billions of dollars and thousands of lives"
Please detractors of the Iraq Liberation... GET FACTS before making stupid totally WRONG observations!
FACTS!
From a study I've downloaded frequently during the Iraq period from 2006 up to last few years from the liberal biased
Brookings Institute! Iraq Index
Page 32 of the above In 2002 (Under Saddam) 2012
each Iraqi had $802 in GDP $4,600

The GDP/capita growth rate averaged 47% per year over the 10 years !
Does that look like it's degrading back to Saddam era GDP?

FACTS: Per https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/iz.html
Iraq GDP growth is 10.2% (2012 est.) and in comparison with other countries is number 7 in growth rate!
Does that look like it's degrading???

 

[Billo_Really]

America was told that Iraq oil would pay for the Iraq war. Secondly, the Congress never voted for the Iraq war, they authorized the president, if Bush thought it necessary, to make the decision. The Congress had simply dumped the Iraq invasion into Bush's lap and Bush made the decision, it was Bush's call.
What did we win in Vietnam, nothing. Korea was sort of a victory in that we achieved our objective removing the North Koreans from south Korea, but these wars with no end are costly, and worse, stupid. What is wrong with us?

It wasn't Bush's call, it was the UNSC's call.

 

[Faun]

The Iraq war, the afghanistan war, the viet nam war, the kosovo war--------all wasted american lives and american money.

to try to make these blunders into some kind of partisan attack is to ignore history. Both parties are equally to blame.

Umm ... how many Americans were killed in the Kosovo war?

 

[Freewill]

No Saddam started the war, congress voted on it, and Bush finished it.

Oh no.

Holy crap.

All this time, I didn't realize that Saddam was America's Commander in Chief at the time. So HE made the call to send our troops. Bush was just an innocent bystander.

Okay, sorry, I take it all back.

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Poor unfortunate Saddam. Picked to be a target just by use of a dart board. Didn't use WMD against his own people. Didn't threaten the region. Didn't cause ecological disaster in Kuwait. No he was just an innocent bystander that Bush and Congress decided had to be a target.

Kinda of like the 16 year old American that Obama murdered.

 

[Freewill]

The Iraq war, the afghanistan war, the viet nam war, the kosovo war--------all wasted american lives and american money.

to try to make these blunders into some kind of partisan attack is to ignore history. Both parties are equally to blame.

Umm ... how many Americans were killed in the Kosovo war?

You make my point. The only war that liberals like is when they are doing the killing without threat. That is why they have fallen in love with predator drones and the killing they can inflict from Nevada anywhere in the world.

 

[Mac1958]

No Saddam started the war, congress voted on it, and Bush finished it.

Oh no.

Holy crap.

All this time, I didn't realize that Saddam was America's Commander in Chief at the time. So HE made the call to send our troops. Bush was just an innocent bystander.

Okay, sorry, I take it all back.

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Poor unfortunate Saddam. Picked to be a target just by use of a dart board. Didn't use WMD against his own people. Didn't threaten the region. Didn't cause econolgical disaster in Kuwait. No he was just an innocent bystander that Bush and Congress decided had to be a target.

Kinda of like the 16 year old American that Obama murdered.

Yeah, plus Saddam was Commander in Chief of the USA and sent our troops to war! Now that I know this I agree with you completely.

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[Mac1958]

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Boy, the fact that Saddam was the Commander in Chief who sent our troops into that hideous shit hole, destroying the lives of thousands of our troops and their young families, emboldening Iran and wasting trillion of dollars (plus interest) really has me angry.

Even worse, his salary was being paid for by OUR TAX DOLLARS.

Fuckin' good thing he's dead.

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[bitterlyclingin]

200,000 dead Americans from the Iraq War? HMMM? After we lost 430,000 Americans in WWII and 630,000 in the Civil War. Yeah that would have been a waste, but I dunno, I think you've got the enemy dead mixed up in there, and I don't think we even killed that many of the enemy. Do you know how hard you have to work to kill 200,000 people.
Japan lost 3,000 men on Tarawa in defense of that isle
27,000 on Saipan
17,000 on Guam
12,000 on Pelieliu
600,000 in the Phillipines
21,000 on Iwo Jima
100,000 on Okinawa
And the Japanese would essentially fight to the very last man, very, very few would surrender. Out of the 21,000 total defenders on Iwo Jima, only 200 took advantage of the opportunity to surrender when it was presented to them.
The Arabs, instead, will surrender when things look bad for them, with every intention of killing you the first chance they have when they get the upper hand.
Those numbers are not counting the 100,000 civilians killed in the fire raid on Tokyo the night of March 7/8, 1945, nor the civilians killed in the fire raids on 65 other Japanese cities. Nor do they include the Japanese losses in the Battle of Midway, The Phillipine Sea, Leyte Gulf, Guadalcanal, the Solomon Islands and the other lesser known points of conflict like the Aleutians, Kwajalein etc.
But the object of war is to kill as many of the enemy as you can, always has, and with the Arab Warrior its been pretty much concluded that you simply have to kill him before he kills you, it'll be either today or sometime in the coming days. There can and never will be an achievable peace. Its sorta like Korea, where a cease fire is in place which can be broken on a whim at a moments notice by any of the combatants.
The Chinese populations that fell under Islams sway were completely converted in less than two generations. The men were all killed while the women all became concubines.
Their religion commands them to kill anyone who does not believe as they do.
The bridge to peace with Islam is out and has been out since 723 AD. You can't get there from here.

 

[Faun]

This was Bush's war!

May have been a war "under" Bush's presidency, but he had the backing of most of your hero's (Kerry, Pelosi, Clinton, etc.....) So why can't you admit it? Bush didn't go into Iraq without Congress approving it either. What did Obama do in Libya? Oh ya....just ignored Congress!

"As president I am responsible for the decision to go into Iraq." ~ George Bush, 12.4.2005