Irrefutable legal arguments supporting the right of secession

[nuhuh]

No it isn't. Martial law will fire back if fired upon, the choice is yours.

In other words, it's enforced by killing people. What happens when the National Guard gives me some illegal command and I give them the middle finger salute?

It responds to violence with violence. If you are given a legal command and you refuse you will be arrested and jailed until charges can be investigated and brought.

It responds to people who refuse to comply with government orders by shooting them.

You're an idiot if you don't know that.

Well that's the chance you will take isn't it?

Thanks for admitting that you endorse sending federal troops in to kill people who want to secede.

Again, I didn't say that. In a martial law setting if you don't behave you will invite trouble it is entirely up to you.

 

[nuhuh]

I have you dialed in alright, you just need to know your idea ranks right up there with treason. One nation indivisible and that's the line you want to cross.

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At Virginia’s ratification convention, the delegates said, “The powers granted under the Constitution being derived from the People of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression.” In Federalist Paper 39, James Madison, the father of the Constitution, cleared up what “the people” meant, saying the proposed Constitution would be subject to ratification by the people, “not as individuals composing one entire nation, but as composing the distinct and independent States to which they respectively belong.” In a word, states were sovereign; the federal government was a creation, an agent, a servant of the states.

On the eve of the War of 1861, even unionist politicians saw secession as a right of states. Maryland Rep. Jacob M. Kunkel said, “Any attempt to preserve the Union between the States of this Confederacy by force would be impractical, and destructive of republican liberty.” The northern Democratic and Republican parties favored allowing the South to secede in peace."

Do States Have a Right of Secession - Capitalism Magazine

As Justice Scalia noted the decision was decided by the Civil War. Your point is moot.

In other words, might makes right. You, Lincoln and Hitler agree with him. That's hardly surprising.

So why do you have to secede? Just move to Idaho or North Dakota, take over the state government, rewrite the state constitution, make new laws and live the way you want.

You're still subject to the laws of the federal government, like the EPA, for instance, who can effectively expropriate your property if it has a puddle on it after a rain storm.

You can defeat many laws with your own interpretation. Besides, if you're as wacky as I think you would be the feds would probably leave you alone.

 

[DarkFury]

If you haven't figured it out by now, I don't give a damn what the hacks on the Supreme Court say about the Constitution. They are all political whores with no honor or integrity.

I have you dialed in alright, you just need to know your idea ranks right up there with treason. One nation indivisible and that's the line you want to cross.

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At Virginia’s ratification convention, the delegates said, “The powers granted under the Constitution being derived from the People of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression.” In Federalist Paper 39, James Madison, the father of the Constitution, cleared up what “the people” meant, saying the proposed Constitution would be subject to ratification by the people, “not as individuals composing one entire nation, but as composing the distinct and independent States to which they respectively belong.” In a word, states were sovereign; the federal government was a creation, an agent, a servant of the states.

On the eve of the War of 1861, even unionist politicians saw secession as a right of states. Maryland Rep. Jacob M. Kunkel said, “Any attempt to preserve the Union between the States of this Confederacy by force would be impractical, and destructive of republican liberty.” The northern Democratic and Republican parties favored allowing the South to secede in peace."

Do States Have a Right of Secession - Capitalism Magazine

As Justice Scalia noted the decision was decided by the Civil War. Your point is moot.

In other words, might makes right. You, Lincoln and Hitler agree with him. That's hardly surprising.

So why do you have to secede? Just move to Idaho or North Dakota, take over the state government, rewrite the state constitution, make new laws and live the way you want.

How about you just get the hell out and go to an ALREADY socialist country? We LOVE OUR Republic. You don't? LEAVE.

 

[bripat9643]

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At Virginia’s ratification convention, the delegates said, “The powers granted under the Constitution being derived from the People of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression.” In Federalist Paper 39, James Madison, the father of the Constitution, cleared up what “the people” meant, saying the proposed Constitution would be subject to ratification by the people, “not as individuals composing one entire nation, but as composing the distinct and independent States to which they respectively belong.” In a word, states were sovereign; the federal government was a creation, an agent, a servant of the states.

On the eve of the War of 1861, even unionist politicians saw secession as a right of states. Maryland Rep. Jacob M. Kunkel said, “Any attempt to preserve the Union between the States of this Confederacy by force would be impractical, and destructive of republican liberty.” The northern Democratic and Republican parties favored allowing the South to secede in peace."

Do States Have a Right of Secession - Capitalism Magazine

As Justice Scalia noted the decision was decided by the Civil War. Your point is moot.

In other words, might makes right. You, Lincoln and Hitler agree with him. That's hardly surprising.

So why do you have to secede? Just move to Idaho or North Dakota, take over the state government, rewrite the state constitution, make new laws and live the way you want.

You're still subject to the laws of the federal government, like the EPA, for instance, who can effectively expropriate your property if it has a puddle on it after a rain storm.

You can defeat many laws with your own interpretation. Besides, if you're as wacky as I think you would be the feds would probably leave you alone.

You can't defeat men who show up on your property with guns.

 

[nuhuh]

I have you dialed in alright, you just need to know your idea ranks right up there with treason. One nation indivisible and that's the line you want to cross.

"
At Virginia’s ratification convention, the delegates said, “The powers granted under the Constitution being derived from the People of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression.” In Federalist Paper 39, James Madison, the father of the Constitution, cleared up what “the people” meant, saying the proposed Constitution would be subject to ratification by the people, “not as individuals composing one entire nation, but as composing the distinct and independent States to which they respectively belong.” In a word, states were sovereign; the federal government was a creation, an agent, a servant of the states.

On the eve of the War of 1861, even unionist politicians saw secession as a right of states. Maryland Rep. Jacob M. Kunkel said, “Any attempt to preserve the Union between the States of this Confederacy by force would be impractical, and destructive of republican liberty.” The northern Democratic and Republican parties favored allowing the South to secede in peace."

Do States Have a Right of Secession - Capitalism Magazine

As Justice Scalia noted the decision was decided by the Civil War. Your point is moot.

In other words, might makes right. You, Lincoln and Hitler agree with him. That's hardly surprising.

So why do you have to secede? Just move to Idaho or North Dakota, take over the state government, rewrite the state constitution, make new laws and live the way you want.

How about you just get the hell out and go to an ALREADY socialist country? We LOVE OUR Republic. You don't? LEAVE.

Well I don't think you love your Republic if you want to divide it and I have the law on my side.

 

[nuhuh]

As Justice Scalia noted the decision was decided by the Civil War. Your point is moot.

In other words, might makes right. You, Lincoln and Hitler agree with him. That's hardly surprising.

So why do you have to secede? Just move to Idaho or North Dakota, take over the state government, rewrite the state constitution, make new laws and live the way you want.

You're still subject to the laws of the federal government, like the EPA, for instance, who can effectively expropriate your property if it has a puddle on it after a rain storm.

You can defeat many laws with your own interpretation. Besides, if you're as wacky as I think you would be the feds would probably leave you alone.

You can't defeat men who show up on your property with guns.

Then you aren't very creative.

 

[bripat9643]

In other words, might makes right. You, Lincoln and Hitler agree with him. That's hardly surprising.

So why do you have to secede? Just move to Idaho or North Dakota, take over the state government, rewrite the state constitution, make new laws and live the way you want.

You're still subject to the laws of the federal government, like the EPA, for instance, who can effectively expropriate your property if it has a puddle on it after a rain storm.

You can defeat many laws with your own interpretation. Besides, if you're as wacky as I think you would be the feds would probably leave you alone.

You can't defeat men who show up on your property with guns.

Then you aren't very creative.

In a free country you don't need to be "creative" to stay out of jail or to avoid having the government expropriate everything you own.

 

[bripat9643]

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At Virginia’s ratification convention, the delegates said, “The powers granted under the Constitution being derived from the People of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression.” In Federalist Paper 39, James Madison, the father of the Constitution, cleared up what “the people” meant, saying the proposed Constitution would be subject to ratification by the people, “not as individuals composing one entire nation, but as composing the distinct and independent States to which they respectively belong.” In a word, states were sovereign; the federal government was a creation, an agent, a servant of the states.

On the eve of the War of 1861, even unionist politicians saw secession as a right of states. Maryland Rep. Jacob M. Kunkel said, “Any attempt to preserve the Union between the States of this Confederacy by force would be impractical, and destructive of republican liberty.” The northern Democratic and Republican parties favored allowing the South to secede in peace."

Do States Have a Right of Secession - Capitalism Magazine

As Justice Scalia noted the decision was decided by the Civil War. Your point is moot.

In other words, might makes right. You, Lincoln and Hitler agree with him. That's hardly surprising.

So why do you have to secede? Just move to Idaho or North Dakota, take over the state government, rewrite the state constitution, make new laws and live the way you want.

How about you just get the hell out and go to an ALREADY socialist country? We LOVE OUR Republic. You don't? LEAVE.

Well I don't think you love your Republic if you want to divide it and I have the law on my side.

I certainly don't love this fascist tyranny we all currently suffer under.

 

[DarkFury]

In other words, might makes right. You, Lincoln and Hitler agree with him. That's hardly surprising.

So why do you have to secede? Just move to Idaho or North Dakota, take over the state government, rewrite the state constitution, make new laws and live the way you want.

You're still subject to the laws of the federal government, like the EPA, for instance, who can effectively expropriate your property if it has a puddle on it after a rain storm.

You can defeat many laws with your own interpretation. Besides, if you're as wacky as I think you would be the feds would probably leave you alone.

You can't defeat men who show up on your property with guns.

Then you aren't very creative.

How about you draw some MAGIC lines in your basement and make your own country all yours. Because this on is taken and NOT by some foolish socialist democrat.

 

[nuhuh]

So why do you have to secede? Just move to Idaho or North Dakota, take over the state government, rewrite the state constitution, make new laws and live the way you want.

You're still subject to the laws of the federal government, like the EPA, for instance, who can effectively expropriate your property if it has a puddle on it after a rain storm.

You can defeat many laws with your own interpretation. Besides, if you're as wacky as I think you would be the feds would probably leave you alone.

You can't defeat men who show up on your property with guns.

Then you aren't very creative.

In a free country you don't need to be "creative" to stay out of jail or to avoid having the government expropriate everything you own.

That's absolutely correct. But you don't want to live in a free country, you want to live in your own free state or whatever your definition is.

 

[bripat9643]

You're still subject to the laws of the federal government, like the EPA, for instance, who can effectively expropriate your property if it has a puddle on it after a rain storm.

You can defeat many laws with your own interpretation. Besides, if you're as wacky as I think you would be the feds would probably leave you alone.

You can't defeat men who show up on your property with guns.

Then you aren't very creative.

In a free country you don't need to be "creative" to stay out of jail or to avoid having the government expropriate everything you own.

That's absolutely correct. But you don't want to live in a free country, you want to live in your own free state or whatever your definition is.

This isn't a free country by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[nuhuh]

As Justice Scalia noted the decision was decided by the Civil War. Your point is moot.

In other words, might makes right. You, Lincoln and Hitler agree with him. That's hardly surprising.

So why do you have to secede? Just move to Idaho or North Dakota, take over the state government, rewrite the state constitution, make new laws and live the way you want.

How about you just get the hell out and go to an ALREADY socialist country? We LOVE OUR Republic. You don't? LEAVE.

Well I don't think you love your Republic if you want to divide it and I have the law on my side.

I certainly don't love this fascist tyranny we all currently suffer under.

Well too bad, that's the concept of a free state with free elections.

 

[nuhuh]

So why do you have to secede? Just move to Idaho or North Dakota, take over the state government, rewrite the state constitution, make new laws and live the way you want.

You're still subject to the laws of the federal government, like the EPA, for instance, who can effectively expropriate your property if it has a puddle on it after a rain storm.

You can defeat many laws with your own interpretation. Besides, if you're as wacky as I think you would be the feds would probably leave you alone.

You can't defeat men who show up on your property with guns.

Then you aren't very creative.

How about you draw some MAGIC lines in your basement and make your own country all yours. Because this on is taken and NOT by some foolish socialist democrat.

Like I said the law is on my side. If you want to secede go ahead and take your chances.

 

[my2¢]

Lincoln didn't start the war, those firing on Fort Sumter did that. Though he might have said, "Bring it on."

 

[bripat9643]

In other words, might makes right. You, Lincoln and Hitler agree with him. That's hardly surprising.

So why do you have to secede? Just move to Idaho or North Dakota, take over the state government, rewrite the state constitution, make new laws and live the way you want.

How about you just get the hell out and go to an ALREADY socialist country? We LOVE OUR Republic. You don't? LEAVE.

Well I don't think you love your Republic if you want to divide it and I have the law on my side.

I certainly don't love this fascist tyranny we all currently suffer under.

Well too bad, that's the concept of a free state with free elections.

Fascism is a free state with elections? Our elections don't mean anything. Whether the Republicans or the Democrats are in office, we get the same policies that nobody wants.

 

[nuhuh]

You can defeat many laws with your own interpretation. Besides, if you're as wacky as I think you would be the feds would probably leave you alone.

You can't defeat men who show up on your property with guns.

Then you aren't very creative.

In a free country you don't need to be "creative" to stay out of jail or to avoid having the government expropriate everything you own.

That's absolutely correct. But you don't want to live in a free country, you want to live in your own free state or whatever your definition is.

This isn't a free country by any stretch of the imagination.

It is a free country even if you don't like the definition.

 

[bripat9643]

Lincoln didn't start the war, those firing on Fort Sumter did that. Though he might have said, "Bring it on."

Wrong, asshole. this claim has already been refuted 25 different ways.

 

[bripat9643]

You can't defeat men who show up on your property with guns.

Then you aren't very creative.

In a free country you don't need to be "creative" to stay out of jail or to avoid having the government expropriate everything you own.

That's absolutely correct. But you don't want to live in a free country, you want to live in your own free state or whatever your definition is.

This isn't a free country by any stretch of the imagination.

It is a free country even if you don't like the definition.

Your definition of a "free country" is fascism.

 

[nuhuh]

So why do you have to secede? Just move to Idaho or North Dakota, take over the state government, rewrite the state constitution, make new laws and live the way you want.

How about you just get the hell out and go to an ALREADY socialist country? We LOVE OUR Republic. You don't? LEAVE.

Well I don't think you love your Republic if you want to divide it and I have the law on my side.

I certainly don't love this fascist tyranny we all currently suffer under.

Well too bad, that's the concept of a free state with free elections.

Fascism is a free state with elections? Our elections don't mean anything. Whether the Republicans or the Democrats are in office, we get the same policies that nobody wants.

Then do what you have to do, you are not alone apparently.

 

[nuhuh]

Then you aren't very creative.

In a free country you don't need to be "creative" to stay out of jail or to avoid having the government expropriate everything you own.

That's absolutely correct. But you don't want to live in a free country, you want to live in your own free state or whatever your definition is.

This isn't a free country by any stretch of the imagination.

It is a free country even if you don't like the definition.

Your definition of a "free country" is fascism.

Then you don't know what fascism is.