Is a second american revolution now inevitable?

[candycorn]

That's what the greeks said.
That's what the romans said.
That's what the french said.
That's what the russians said.
That's what the british said.
etc...etc...etc...

History is littered with the wreckage of governments that said "no revolution will or is taking place."

Of course it is...

And in Greece, you have a government that is absolutely what the people want, right?
And in Rome, you had a government that is absolutely what the people want, right?
And in France, you have a government that is absolutely what the people want, right?
And in Russia, you have a government that is absolutely what the people want, right?
And in Britain, you have a government that is absolutely what the people want, right?

The point is that the "revolution" usually yields clowns with different make-up on but whom are still clowns.

If you gave these gun idiots everything they wanted today, tomorrow they'd want something different when they realize they had bad ideas at root. Hence the current government where nearly everybody is a bit at odds with the powers that be is likely the best a civilized society can hope for.

I'm pretty sure what the gun idiots really want is no government and they can be the rulers of their own little 4 room houses with their pistols by their side. Basically it comes down to a society that has lost respect for those who wish to force everything at gunpoint (at worst) or simple masculine intimidation (at best). Due to this loss of respect, the dwindling power that was once enjoyed is now gone and you see this constant yammering about "revolution"--in short the 10 year old "I'm taking my ball and going home" defense mechanism.

Someone should tell them that the ball isn't theirs to take.

When you base your ego on 200+ y/o ideology and try to live in an advanced society, your ego is going to get slapped around.

No government is eternal. Life is dynamic and it never stands still.

Revolution is the beginning and end of every form of government in history.
All the rest of your hyperpartisan gibberish, excuses, qualifications and hyperbole are meaningless.

So every government is in constant revolution...gotcha. Lift with your knees when you move those goal posts loser

 

[Rotagilla]

Here's a fact for you; revolutions often tend to lead to "fallen governments"


"which would seem obvious to anyone with some knowledge of history"...
LMAO..your compulsion to insult overwhelms your self control...again.......



Link to the thread where I "glorify armed resistance to our etc....blah...blah...."?




You can't resist that overwhelming compulsion to slip in an insult, can you?

When referring to my "values"..which you have no clue about...you use it as a vehicle to slip in the denigrating "so to speak".





Link to where I said "I have a better way/idea/form of governance"?
As usual you invent strawmen to beat up.




"EVERY other self identified independent"?
Really?
You know every single one of them and you surveyed EVERY one of them and EVERY one of them gave you the same answer? LMAO...
I don't think you know EVERY other independent and I don't believe you know what EVERY other independent thinks/wants/believes.

I think you're exaggerating and making things up.
I can't prove it, though. LMFAO...

Yep, everyone who critiques the two party system has no viable alternative (thus they are independents), and no specific solutions to their "ain't it awful" ubiquitous posts. Well, except for "a civil war or revolution is coming" bullshit.

Nonsense. You exaggerate other peoples positions so you can make exaggerated comments and project your own insecurities on others.

As for violent revolutions leading often to fallen governments, that's obvious and thus needed no elaboration.

You brought it up.

The fact is some violent revolutions fail and repression still follows; rarely anything good comes out of such actions to benefit the many. See Egypt, Libya, Syria for current examples.

It isn't a static situation. Nothing is. What may exist now, may not exist tomorrow.

..or are you saying that any nation who is in chaos now will eternally be in chaos?...any nation that currently exists will be eternal and will never fall?

 

[Rotagilla]

Of course it is...

And in Greece, you have a government that is absolutely what the people want, right?
And in Rome, you had a government that is absolutely what the people want, right?
And in France, you have a government that is absolutely what the people want, right?
And in Russia, you have a government that is absolutely what the people want, right?
And in Britain, you have a government that is absolutely what the people want, right?

The point is that the "revolution" usually yields clowns with different make-up on but whom are still clowns.

If you gave these gun idiots everything they wanted today, tomorrow they'd want something different when they realize they had bad ideas at root. Hence the current government where nearly everybody is a bit at odds with the powers that be is likely the best a civilized society can hope for.

I'm pretty sure what the gun idiots really want is no government and they can be the rulers of their own little 4 room houses with their pistols by their side. Basically it comes down to a society that has lost respect for those who wish to force everything at gunpoint (at worst) or simple masculine intimidation (at best). Due to this loss of respect, the dwindling power that was once enjoyed is now gone and you see this constant yammering about "revolution"--in short the 10 year old "I'm taking my ball and going home" defense mechanism.

Someone should tell them that the ball isn't theirs to take.

When you base your ego on 200+ y/o ideology and try to live in an advanced society, your ego is going to get slapped around.

No government is eternal. Life is dynamic and it never stands still.

Revolution is the beginning and end of every form of government in history.
All the rest of your hyperpartisan gibberish, excuses, qualifications and hyperbole are meaningless.

So every government is in constant revolution...gotcha. Lift with your knees when you move those goal posts loser

That's not what I said, is it?

 

[candycorn]

No government is eternal. Life is dynamic and it never stands still.

Revolution is the beginning and end of every form of government in history.
All the rest of your hyperpartisan gibberish, excuses, qualifications and hyperbole are meaningless.

So every government is in constant revolution...gotcha. Lift with your knees when you move those goal posts loser

That's not what I said, is it?

Sure it is; your principles are dynamic and never stand still.

 

[Rotagilla]

So every government is in constant revolution...gotcha. Lift with your knees when you move those goal posts loser

That's not what I said, is it?

Sure it is; your principles are dynamic and never stand still.

non responsive semantic distortion.

 

[candycorn]

That's not what I said, is it?

Sure it is; your principles are dynamic and never stand still.

non responsive semantic distortion.

loser said what?

 

[Rotagilla]

Facts trump name calling.

 

[candycorn]

You cited the American revolution, a singular event in world history. Have you consider my comments in other historical revolutionary events, The French, The Russian, Spain, China, Vietnam, Cuba and those in Iran, Egypt, Libya, Syria?

Of course I have..naturally, you point only to the ones that support your premise.
I used 1776 as one example of a bad government getting violently replaced by a better government. Fast forward 240 years and we're right back where we started. Corruption, and oppression are the reasons this one is failing.

History is littered with the wreckage of failed governments. It happens all the time. Nothing unusual. Sometimes the new govt is good..sometimes it collapses, too...So what? That's how the real world (and human beings) work.

Have you read the many threads which claim we live in a tyrannical country, that 'liberals' plan to take away your guns, that Obama has set up FEMA camps to lock up American citizens sans any due process? Paranoid schizophrenia maybe a bit of hyperbole, but paranoia isn't always connected with schizophrenia, and from where I sit many of the gun lovers are convinced our government is out to get them.

Well, if you think the government is well run by honest people who only have the well being of the country and citizens at heart....I just don't know what to tell you.

If you really think "your" party is better than the "other" party..or "your" favorite politician is "better" than "theirs"..LMAO..

If you really think this country will be able to "vote" our way to prosperity by electing some more politicians...All I can say is I think you've been duped.
The 2 party system is good for political theater...but not a good way to run a country.

I wasn't speaking to "fallen governments" which seem obvious to anyone with some knowledge of history, I cited violent revolutions and civil wars. That you choose to deny the many threads which glorify armed resistance to our democratically elected government is dishonest and clouds everything else you post.

I get it. You live on "Federally occupied lands" and your values - so to speak - are not supported by the two major parties; you seem to believe you have a better way/idea/form of governance, but like every other self defined 'independent' you seem unable to articulate what that might be.

"Ain't it awful" is your game and leads no where, only to non productive, non substantial comments and vague critiques of others. If you have something to offer beyond this, post it. I doubt very much you can.

Essentially, the winning position is in the middle where you take the best ideas from every ideology and try to implement it. Good luck with that.

 

[Redfish]

The set of would-be revolutionaries, given how fixated they're on violence, guns and anyone who is 'different', must have been badly damaged early in life, or so depressed by their current circumstance as to easily fall prey to the demagogues and charlatans so pervasive in America today.

Revolution isn't some romantic interlude; good grief, haven't we all seen how insurrections are easily put down by the established authorities? When actual revolutions remove the established authority, extremists fill the void and impact the entire social order; disorder and a great loss of liberty soon follows.

We are lucky to live in a nation which affords us so much freedom and the power of self governance. Those who clamor for rapid, revolutionary change need to slow down, least they be considered paranoid schizophrenics - which I'm convinced some of them are.

Wouldn't it be grand if these would-be heroes of liberty started their own political party? I can't imagine it would attract many followers, for they are little different than those who walk our streets with signs saying the end is near, and have been doing so for generations.

what does it mean to you when someone says he wants to "fundamentally change" a country?

Does that sound like some form of revolution to you?

what do you call it when a president continually ignores the constitution and the laws of the nation? revolution? tyrany?

Its you assholes on the left that are trying to "revolt" and we patriotic citizens will not allow it. You had your chance, its over, you and obama failed.

 

[JoeNormal]

Why would you want to overthrow the rich? Who the fuck do you think is running the big oppressive Marxist government? Rich people are getting richer. Do you really think that they're going to let you fuck that up for them?

No, this won't be a civil war in any sense. It will be about 50k white trash gun monkeys nationwide taking pot shots at cops in pizza parlors because stupid inbred survivalist jagoffs lack balls and brains. If you want to change the system, fight the rich. Who are the rich? Forbes keeps a list. If you can't find the list, just take your guns to Wall Street. That's their headquarters.

How well will your revolution succeed if you don't even know who your enemy is? How well did that battle plan work out in the Middle East? Again, stupid lazy Americans won't give up 1400 channels of nothing to watch in order to fight a revolution against the system that gives them 1400 channels of nothing to watch.

Excellent post. One of those rich guys, Rupert Murdoch has the simpletons so confused as to the real forces of oppression that they don't know which way to turn.

 

[Rotagilla]

Excellent post. One of those rich guys, Rupert Murdoch has the simpletons so confused as to the real forces of oppression that they don't know which way to turn.

Which laws has rupert murdoch written?

What department of government is he in charge of?

 

[Boss]

sure, kid..whatever you say.

LMAO...anyone who uses "durrr" as a word has already abandoned credibility by acting like a child.

And anyone who says, "People like you are going to have to eat lead because you just don't get it" is a fucking scholar, right?

Why do you want to kill Americans?

Can you see this?:

Do you know where this image comes from? Hemp For Victory, USDA, 1942. For defending Democracy, Capitalism, and Freedom.

Instead of this, you want to kill your fellow Americans. And I'm the one who loses credibility? Yeah, we see who's willing to compromise here.

KNB, I am actually on your side with this. You don't know that because you've not bothered to discuss this with me in a civilized manner. You're too busy denigrating me and calling me names, stereotyping me and making me into the boogeyman.

I think that any state should be able to legalize marijuana if that's what their people want. I think it should be decriminalized at the Federal level. FAR too much prison space is being devoted to hippies who grew a little weed. If we're gonna do a war on drugs, go after the crack and meth heads and leave the damn hippies alone.

Nobody wants to kill Americans. I certainly don't want that to happen. I'm sorry if you took my comments the wrong way, I was simply stating my opinion. I honestly think it will take a few of you loudmouths getting shot before you start realizing the seriousness of this.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Yep, everyone who critiques the two party system has no viable alternative (thus they are independents), and no specific solutions to their "ain't it awful" ubiquitous posts. Well, except for "a civil war or revolution is coming" bullshit.

Nonsense. You exaggerate other peoples positions so you can make exaggerated comments and project your own insecurities on others.




You brought it up.

The fact is some violent revolutions fail and repression still follows; rarely anything good comes out of such actions to benefit the many. See Egypt, Libya, Syria for current examples.

It isn't a static situation. Nothing is. What may exist now, may not exist tomorrow.

..or are you saying that any nation who is in chaos now will eternally be in chaos?...any nation that currently exists will be eternal and will never fall?

Captious people are also concrete thinkers, for the most part. This one ^^^ has yet to offer anything beyond "Ain't it Awful". There are reasons for revolution and for governments to fall, none of which exist in the United States in this second decade of the 21st Century. Those who believe so are members of a fringe population 'educated' by the demagogues and charlatans which each age has produced, today the mass medium has given them a very large soap box in which they are able to fool some of the people al of the time.

 

[Katzndogz]

sure, kid..whatever you say.

LMAO...anyone who uses "durrr" as a word has already abandoned credibility by acting like a child.

And anyone who says, "People like you are going to have to eat lead because you just don't get it" is a fucking scholar, right?

Why do you want to kill Americans?

Can you see this?:

Do you know where this image comes from? Hemp For Victory, USDA, 1942. For defending Democracy, Capitalism, and Freedom.

Instead of this, you want to kill your fellow Americans. And I'm the one who loses credibility? Yeah, we see who's willing to compromise here.

That's for industrial hemp. Not the kind that will get you high.

My fellow Americans aren't drug addicts so there's nothing wrong with killing them.

 

[Rotagilla]

Captious people are also concrete thinkers, for the most part.

Exactly..that's all you guys do is parse words for ways to exaggerate and purposely distract.

This one ^^^ has yet to offer anything beyond "Ain't it Awful".

Link to that quote?
Oh..never mind..I get it..you're exaggerating and making things up...again.

There are reasons for revolution and for governments to fall, none of which exist in the United States in this second decade of the 21st Century.

Oh ok..List every reason in history that governments have ever fallen and compare and contrast them with the u.s. today.

Oh..wait...I see..you can't and were merely exaggerating again to prop up a weak premise.

Those who believe so are members of a fringe population 'educated' by the demagogues and charlatans which each age has produced, today the mass medium has given them a very large soap box in which they are able to fool some of the people al of the time.

More exaggeration and fantasy used as an excuse to denigrate and insult. How clever!

 

[JakeStarkey]

translation-------you guys beat me with facts again, now I'm going to run away.

Means the far gun right is engaged in mental masturbation, lots of fun but sterile.

Oh, we have a new term "far gun right" who exactly is in this imaginery group that you created in your small mind?

You are looking in the mirror and projecting. And being sterile.

 

[Rotagilla]

sure, kid..whatever you say.

LMAO...anyone who uses "durrr" as a word has already abandoned credibility by acting like a child.

And anyone who says, "People like you are going to have to eat lead because you just don't get it" is a fucking scholar, right?

Why do you want to kill Americans?

Can you see this?:

Do you know where this image comes from? Hemp For Victory, USDA, 1942. For defending Democracy, Capitalism, and Freedom.

Instead of this, you want to kill your fellow Americans. And I'm the one who loses credibility? Yeah, we see who's willing to compromise here.

KNB, I am actually on your side with this. You don't know that because you've not bothered to discuss this with me in a civilized manner. You're too busy denigrating me and calling me names, stereotyping me and making me into the boogeyman.

I think that any state should be able to legalize marijuana if that's what their people want. I think it should be decriminalized at the Federal level. FAR too much prison space is being devoted to hippies who grew a little weed. If we're gonna do a war on drugs, go after the crack and meth heads and leave the damn hippies alone.

Nobody wants to kill Americans. I certainly don't want that to happen. I'm sorry if you took my comments the wrong way, I was simply stating my opinion. I honestly think it will take a few of you loudmouths getting shot before you start realizing the seriousness of this.

now you've done it.

Now they'll be wringing their hands that you doubled down on "wanting americans to get killed."

You'll not get very much mature, reasonable or honest debate/discussion from this lot.

Exaggeration, hyperbole, distortion and fantasy are the preferred coins of the realm.

 

[Rotagilla]

Means the far gun right is engaged in mental masturbation, lots of fun but sterile.

Oh, we have a new term "far gun right" who exactly is in this imaginery group that you created in your small mind?

You are looking in the mirror and projecting. And being sterile.

What is "far gun right", anyway?
the guns are far away from them?
You just made that up, didn't you?
LMAO..far gun right....

 

[JoeNormal]

Excellent post. One of those rich guys, Rupert Murdoch has the simpletons so confused as to the real forces of oppression that they don't know which way to turn.

Which laws has rupert murdoch written?

What department of government is he in charge of?

You could give him partial credit for just about any law written by a Tea Tard or a Rethug.

 

[candycorn]

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Perhaps all the ugly stuff could be diverted. Maybe we'll see partisan ideologues from both ends decide to bury their egos and narcissism and open a honest, honorable, constructive dialogue in the best interest of our children and our country. It will certainly take someone to be first, to be the adult in the room.

Any takers?

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It won't happen. Nobody is going to follow some chairborne warrior into combat in the first place. In the second place, the regional economies are too intermixed to make it sustainable

It's all a pipedream of internet losers.