Is America coming apart?

[Unkotare]

America once had a strong middle class, sound institutions, a real sense of community and was a place where ordinary, decent people actually could get ahead, especially with an honest work ethic.

That America seems to have disappeared and in the words of George Packer, today’s middle class seems to have slipped into a state of permanent poverty.


AUDIO
Is America coming apart?

Once Trump loses we should be better off. If the republicans lose the House and Senate, America will be on a fast track to actually repair itself. I don't have a whole lot of faith in democrats, but with republicans out of the picture America might be fine.

why do you want dictatorial socialism? that's what you will get from HRC. why do you want a government that runs every aspect of your life?

With either Hillary or Trump, what you'll get is complete acquiescence to global corporatism. That's the force that will be running every aspect of your life.

...the Dems would tax corps and the richest their fair share and invest in training ...

 

[12icer]

And we've been going slowly to hell under Reaganism. see sig.

too stupid of course since govt is 10 times bigger than it was under Reagan while Reagan supported tiny Jeffersonian govt. Franco did not go to college so he does not know that. Sad.

Reagan was FOS and grew the gov't more than anyone except W. Obama deficits grew due solely to bailouts and welfare for victims of W's corrupt world depression. Pub dupes!!! Brainwashed functional morons...

Find some real statements to bring to the table, Economics and history are not your strong points. There are certain events and choices that make the "tax the rich, feed the poor" idea provisional. Secondly the outlay that keeps many countries in the world solvent is partly because of foreign aid from none-other than this country. the UN is mostly supported by this country, NATO, WMF backing, all of this and you cry. If we stop supporting the military all around the world and keeping forces in many nations they will be like Iraq, and Kuwait if we had not intervened. Your shallow monoplanic view of the world is unfortunately like most liberals Listen to a lie, say "wow that's great" follow along and praise all the failures that are staged to take your money and pat you on the back. All the while the ruling class liberals get super rich and call for the working rich to be taxed while they the "special class" walk away with ten times what any CEO of any company that works 70 to 80 hours a week gets.
If you dislike the way this country has gone you should actually see who has been in control of it for the majority of the time it has been in decline and which programs have been the most destructive for the economy. When you find that see who implemented those programs, and who benefited from them. TADA!! Some told Solyndra and the "Green Energy Initiative" were just another theft. I wish a certain ex vice president had told me that they just took our money and started those companies to make themselves a 50x profit I would have put a mil or two in myself if I got 100 million from a 2 million investment. And while the company was rolling belly up too WOW!!

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

But the Dems would tax corps and the richest their fair share

BAAAAAHAHAHA!!

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

America once had a strong middle class, sound institutions, a real sense of community and was a place where ordinary, decent people actually could get ahead, especially with an honest work ethic.

That America seems to have disappeared and in the words of George Packer, today’s middle class seems to have slipped into a state of permanent poverty.


AUDIO
Is America coming apart?

Once Trump loses we should be better off. If the republicans lose the House and Senate, America will be on a fast track to actually repair itself. I don't have a whole lot of faith in democrats, but with republicans out of the picture America might be fine.

why do you want dictatorial socialism? that's what you will get from HRC. why do you want a government that runs every aspect of your life?

With either Hillary or Trump, what you'll get is complete acquiescence to global corporatism. That's the force that will be running every aspect of your life.

...the Dems would tax corps and the richest their fair share and invest in training ...

It's funny cuz he actually believes it

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I've been to Europe 24 times

Next time stay there and don't come back

 

[francoHFW]

And we've been going slowly to hell under Reaganism. see sig.

too stupid of course since govt is 10 times bigger than it was under Reagan while Reagan supported tiny Jeffersonian govt. Franco did not go to college so he does not know that. Sad.

Reagan was FOS and grew the gov't more than anyone except W. Obama deficits grew due solely to bailouts and welfare for victims of W's corrupt world depression. Pub dupes!!! Brainwashed functional morons...

Find some real statements to bring to the table, Economics and history are not your strong points. There are certain events and choices that make the "tax the rich, feed the poor" idea provisional. Secondly the outlay that keeps many countries in the world solvent is partly because of foreign aid from none-other than this country. the UN is mostly supported by this country, NATO, WMF backing, all of this and you cry. If we stop supporting the military all around the world and keeping forces in many nations they will be like Iraq, and Kuwait if we had not intervened. Your shallow monoplanic view of the world is unfortunately like most liberals Listen to a lie, say "wow that's great" follow along and praise all the failures that are staged to take your money and pat you on the back. All the while the ruling class liberals get super rich and call for the working rich to be taxed while they the "special class" walk away with ten times what any CEO of any company that works 70 to 80 hours a week gets.
If you dislike the way this country has gone you should actually see who has been in control of it for the majority of the time it has been in decline and which programs have been the most destructive for the economy. When you find that see who implemented those programs, and who benefited from them. TADA!! Some told Solyndra and the "Green Energy Initiative" were just another theft. I wish a certain ex vice president had told me that they just took our money and started those companies to make themselves a 50x profit I would have put a mil or two in myself if I got 100 million from a 2 million investment. And while the company was rolling belly up too WOW!!

You're out of your brainwashed little mind. We've had Reaganist tax rates and policy since the early 80's. see sig pp1...

 

[francoHFW]

You want a diagram?

The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 35 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/CongratulationstoEmmanuelSaez/
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb...able=58&Freq=Qtr&FirstYear=2008&LastYear=2010
4 = http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php/household-sector-debt-of-gdp
4 = FRB: Z.1 Release--Financial Accounts of the United States--June 9, 2016
5/6 = 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

 

[francoHFW]

I've been to Europe 24 times

Next time stay there and don't come back

As if you can, you stupid brainwashed.....

 

[francoHFW]

But the Dems would tax corps and the richest their fair share

BAAAAAHAHAHA!!

That's their platform, dupe. That's where you start if you're not a dupe, dupe. Any actual argument?

 

[francoHFW]

Once Trump loses we should be better off. If the republicans lose the House and Senate, America will be on a fast track to actually repair itself. I don't have a whole lot of faith in democrats, but with republicans out of the picture America might be fine.

why do you want dictatorial socialism? that's what you will get from HRC. why do you want a government that runs every aspect of your life?

With either Hillary or Trump, what you'll get is complete acquiescence to global corporatism. That's the force that will be running every aspect of your life.

...the Dems would tax corps and the richest their fair share and invest in training ...

It's funny cuz he actually believes it

Obama would have if not for the greedy idiot billionaire New BS GOP, dupe. Change the channel.

 

[not.rocket.sighence]

...Wasn't it a place of slavery, segregation, then institutional racism designed to keep people down?

Yeah, but only as it pertains to a very small fraction of the population - the part that really didn't count for much...

What part was that? Black people literally built this country on their backs and as usual ignorant commends by arrogantly uniformed (some might even say "racist") people florish.

 

[not.rocket.sighence]

...Wasn't it a place of slavery, segregation, then institutional racism designed to keep people down?

Yeah, but only as it pertains to a very small fraction of the population - the part that really didn't count for much...

I guess a lot of people managed to ignore the reality of the country and present themselves with a nice view. Seems to still be the case.

Depends upon whose Reality we're talking about... the small minority for whom an Alternate Reality (above) is true, or the Rest of Us...

For the Rest of Us, everything is just fine, and all is right with the world, by comparison... life is good.

LOL Your country is falling apart and some are too stupid to realize it lol. The rest of you will catch hell too, you just don't know it yet lol I'm looking forward to people who think like you finally catching hell lol

 

[not.rocket.sighence]

America once had a strong middle class, sound institutions, a real sense of community and was a place where ordinary, decent people actually could get ahead, especially with an honest work ethic.

That America seems to have disappeared and in the words of George Packer, today’s middle class seems to have slipped into a state of permanent poverty.


AUDIO
Is America coming apart?

Of course, Stein really is a nut.

What makes her a "nut" in your opinion?

 

[not.rocket.sighence]

I've been to Europe 24 times

Next time stay there and don't come back

Why should he do that? Doesn't he have a right as an American citizen to travel and go where he pleases?

 

[rhodescholar]

Asian immigrants make sacrifices that Americans won't. Duh.

You're too fucking stupid to even understand how you are contradicting yourself. 1 minute you claim that whites are being racist against asians, blacks, etc, then you claim that asians are still achieving, which means that unlike blacks, they are able to do so. Yet all your pea brain can grasp is how blacks are being held down by racism. Do the math, retarded idiot.

You probably would say GOPers don't include racists, a joke.

Where did I make that claim, moron? YOU are the one repeating blanket statements about people here, not me.

NJ is overpopulated.

It is? Is that why so many people and jobs are leaving it in droves, idiot?

NYS is just fine, thanks. Upstate!! The wimps leave lol. Fact.

You're as unintelligent as any poster I've seen here. NYS has been losing jobs by the thousands you fucking lying moron, and upstate has lost Carrier, Kodak and most other major manufacturers. NYC is becoming a 2 tier locale of very rich and a mass poor - all sustainined by 40K taxpayers who pay most of NYC's taxes.

This conversation is like a teacher trying to explain to a gorilla not to stick its hand up its ass and then lick it, and I'm the teacher, so guess who you are?

 

[rhodescholar]

That's the way it goes in reality- it's not a conspiracy. But the Dems would tax corps and the richest their fair share and invest in training for the 3-6 million tech jobs going begging that we should be getting out of these new markets. For 20 years now, dupe.

What the fuck are you talking about? What new markets? Are you just trolling, you jackass?

 

[francoHFW]

Asian immigrants make sacrifices that Americans won't. Duh.

You're too fucking stupid to even understand how you are contradicting yourself. 1 minute you claim that whites are being racist against asians, blacks, etc, then you claim that asians are still achieving, which means that unlike blacks, they are able to do so. Yet all your pea brain can grasp is how blacks are being held down by racism. Do the math, retarded idiot.

You probably would say GOPers don't include racists, a joke.

Where did I make that claim, moron? YOU are the one repeating blanket statements about people here, not me.

NJ is overpopulated.

It is? Is that why so many people and jobs are leaving it in droves, idiot?

NYS is just fine, thanks. Upstate!! The wimps leave lol. Fact.

You're as unintelligent as any poster I've seen here. NYS has been losing jobs by the thousands you fucking lying moron, and upstate has lost Carrier, Kodak and most other major manufacturers. NYC is becoming a 2 tier locale of very rich and a mass poor - all sustainined by 40K taxpayers who pay most of NYC's taxes.

This conversation is like a teacher trying to explain to a gorilla not to stick its hand up its ass and then lick it, and I'm the teacher, so guess who you are?

You're racist against blacks, a-hole. Not Asians. Duh. lol. The rest is too stupid to bother with.

 

[francoHFW]

That's the way it goes in reality- it's not a conspiracy. But the Dems would tax corps and the richest their fair share and invest in training for the 3-6 million tech jobs going begging that we should be getting out of these new markets. For 20 years now, dupe.

What the fuck are you talking about? What new markets? Are you just trolling, you jackass?

The new markets are the places that are taking our menial jobs duh...

 

[whitehall]

The Brits are still supporting a degenerate monarchy after the world abolished monarchies a hundred years ago. There was chaos recently when the common folks voted to exit from the Euro but the liberal U.K. government might not let that happen. Meanwhile the majority of males born in London are named Mohammed. ...And the idiots think America is coming apart?

 

[francoHFW]

The Brits are still supporting a degenerate monarchy after the world abolished monarchies a hundred years ago. There was chaos recently when the common folks voted to exit from the Euro but the liberal U.K. government might not let that happen. Meanwhile the majority of males born in London are named Mohammed. ...And the idiots think America is coming apart?

VERY common, and very ignorant. Mohammed? Link? lol