Is God competent or incompetent?

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Is God competent or incompetent?


We are told in scriptures that evil begets evil and good begets good. God, as our creator, according to scriptures, creates us all as sinners, which many see as evil.


God can thus be seen and judged as being the original sinner since the fruits of his labor (us) went bad or are born bad. A tree is known by its fruits. What else could come from a sinner tree but sin?


I give God a fail on competence for the following reasons.

God created heaven that produced Satan. Fail.

God created Eden which produced Original Sin. Fail.

God had to reboot creation with Noah’s flood. Fail.

God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.

God also had to create hell for his rejects which scriptures say will be the vast majority of us. Fail.


Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds and if we believe that, then the Christian God would obviously be rejected by Jesus and agree with my fail judgement.


Do you agree?


Regards

DL

Obviously, you have allowed your ignorance to outweigh your intellect.

God did NOT create us as sinners. In fact, He created us in His image - and free of sin - , and it was through our own misdeeds that we were levied with 'original sin'.

Argument just kinda falls apart, doesn't it?

I can't even give you credit for a nice try ... it was a pathetic effort wrapped in ignorance, and surrounded by prejudice.

Yet you do not argue against the premise and show you cannot.

Thanks for showing your bully side instead of your intelligent side.

Do you also spank your children without correcting them?

Chastisement without correction is just you showing hate instead of love. You show how little you follow your God's better advise.

Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

Regards
DL

Is God competent or incompetent?


We are told in scriptures that evil begets evil and good begets good. God, as our creator, according to scriptures, creates us all as sinners, which many see as evil.


God can thus be seen and judged as being the original sinner since the fruits of his labor (us) went bad or are born bad. A tree is known by its fruits. What else could come from a sinner tree but sin?


I give God a fail on competence for the following reasons.

God created heaven that produced Satan. Fail.

God created Eden which produced Original Sin. Fail.

God had to reboot creation with Noah’s flood. Fail.

God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.

God also had to create hell for his rejects which scriptures say will be the vast majority of us. Fail.


Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds and if we believe that, then the Christian God would obviously be rejected by Jesus and agree with my fail judgement.


Do you agree?


Regards

DL

Obviously, you have allowed your ignorance to outweigh your intellect.

God did NOT create us as sinners. In fact, He created us in His image - and free of sin - , and it was through our own misdeeds that we were levied with 'original sin'.

Argument just kinda falls apart, doesn't it?

I can't even give you credit for a nice try ... it was a pathetic effort wrapped in ignorance, and surrounded by prejudice.

Yet you do not argue against the premise and show you cannot.

Thanks for showing your bully side instead of your intelligent side.

Do you also spank your children without correcting them?

Chastisement without correction is just you showing hate instead of love. You show how little you follow your God's better advise.

Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

Regards
DL

You're absolutely right ... I did not argue against the premise.

Why? Simply, because your "premise" is based on ignorance and a lack of understanding of the Bible. I'm not bullying you -- I am merely pointing out the complete fallacy of your "house of cards". I can think of no good reason to expend any effort other than to point out your ignorance.

You make false assumptions - you posit false statements based on your false assumptions, and then you expect us to show you where you're wrong, where your ignorance has led you astray?

I think not ....

More abuse while refuting nothing.

Thanks for showing all here how the religious are.

If you had access to an Inquisition, you would have me killed just as your predecessors did.

Thanks for doing my work of discrediting your vile religion and genocidal son murdering prick of a God.

Regards
DL

Refute nothing? Seriously?

I refute your whole, ridiculous position.

You make a false assumption - and then expect someone else to prove you wrong. Of course, you won't listen when they actually do, but hey .... it's your world, I'm just passing thru.

Continue to look stupid ---- I don't mind.

 

[GreatestIam]

Is God competent or incompetent?


We are told in scriptures that evil begets evil and good begets good. God, as our creator, according to scriptures, creates us all as sinners, which many see as evil.


God can thus be seen and judged as being the original sinner since the fruits of his labor (us) went bad or are born bad. A tree is known by its fruits. What else could come from a sinner tree but sin?


I give God a fail on competence for the following reasons.

God created heaven that produced Satan. Fail.

God created Eden which produced Original Sin. Fail.

God had to reboot creation with Noah’s flood. Fail.

God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.

God also had to create hell for his rejects which scriptures say will be the vast majority of us. Fail.


Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds and if we believe that, then the Christian God would obviously be rejected by Jesus and agree with my fail judgement.


Do you agree?


Regards

DL

Obviously, you have allowed your ignorance to outweigh your intellect.

God did NOT create us as sinners. In fact, He created us in His image - and free of sin - , and it was through our own misdeeds that we were levied with 'original sin'.

Argument just kinda falls apart, doesn't it?

I can't even give you credit for a nice try ... it was a pathetic effort wrapped in ignorance, and surrounded by prejudice.

Yet you do not argue against the premise and show you cannot.

Thanks for showing your bully side instead of your intelligent side.

Do you also spank your children without correcting them?

Chastisement without correction is just you showing hate instead of love. You show how little you follow your God's better advise.

Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

Regards
DL

Is God competent or incompetent?


We are told in scriptures that evil begets evil and good begets good. God, as our creator, according to scriptures, creates us all as sinners, which many see as evil.


God can thus be seen and judged as being the original sinner since the fruits of his labor (us) went bad or are born bad. A tree is known by its fruits. What else could come from a sinner tree but sin?


I give God a fail on competence for the following reasons.

God created heaven that produced Satan. Fail.

God created Eden which produced Original Sin. Fail.

God had to reboot creation with Noah’s flood. Fail.

God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.

God also had to create hell for his rejects which scriptures say will be the vast majority of us. Fail.


Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds and if we believe that, then the Christian God would obviously be rejected by Jesus and agree with my fail judgement.


Do you agree?


Regards

DL

Obviously, you have allowed your ignorance to outweigh your intellect.

God did NOT create us as sinners. In fact, He created us in His image - and free of sin - , and it was through our own misdeeds that we were levied with 'original sin'.

Argument just kinda falls apart, doesn't it?

I can't even give you credit for a nice try ... it was a pathetic effort wrapped in ignorance, and surrounded by prejudice.

Yet you do not argue against the premise and show you cannot.

Thanks for showing your bully side instead of your intelligent side.

Do you also spank your children without correcting them?

Chastisement without correction is just you showing hate instead of love. You show how little you follow your God's better advise.

Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

Regards
DL

You're absolutely right ... I did not argue against the premise.

Why? Simply, because your "premise" is based on ignorance and a lack of understanding of the Bible. I'm not bullying you -- I am merely pointing out the complete fallacy of your "house of cards". I can think of no good reason to expend any effort other than to point out your ignorance.

You make false assumptions - you posit false statements based on your false assumptions, and then you expect us to show you where you're wrong, where your ignorance has led you astray?

I think not ....

More abuse while refuting nothing.

Thanks for showing all here how the religious are.

If you had access to an Inquisition, you would have me killed just as your predecessors did.

Thanks for doing my work of discrediting your vile religion and genocidal son murdering prick of a God.

Regards
DL

Refute nothing? Seriously?

I refute your whole, ridiculous position.

You make a false assumption - and then expect someone else to prove you wrong. Of course, you won't listen when they actually do, but hey .... it's your world, I'm just passing thru.

Continue to look stupid ---- I don't mind.

What false assumption?

Note how you accuse and claim a refutation without even showing the issue.

Who looks stupid?

Regards
DL

 

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Obviously, you have allowed your ignorance to outweigh your intellect.

God did NOT create us as sinners. In fact, He created us in His image - and free of sin - , and it was through our own misdeeds that we were levied with 'original sin'.

Argument just kinda falls apart, doesn't it?

I can't even give you credit for a nice try ... it was a pathetic effort wrapped in ignorance, and surrounded by prejudice.

Yet you do not argue against the premise and show you cannot.

Thanks for showing your bully side instead of your intelligent side.

Do you also spank your children without correcting them?

Chastisement without correction is just you showing hate instead of love. You show how little you follow your God's better advise.

Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

Regards
DL

Obviously, you have allowed your ignorance to outweigh your intellect.

God did NOT create us as sinners. In fact, He created us in His image - and free of sin - , and it was through our own misdeeds that we were levied with 'original sin'.

Argument just kinda falls apart, doesn't it?

I can't even give you credit for a nice try ... it was a pathetic effort wrapped in ignorance, and surrounded by prejudice.

Yet you do not argue against the premise and show you cannot.

Thanks for showing your bully side instead of your intelligent side.

Do you also spank your children without correcting them?

Chastisement without correction is just you showing hate instead of love. You show how little you follow your God's better advise.

Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

Regards
DL

You're absolutely right ... I did not argue against the premise.

Why? Simply, because your "premise" is based on ignorance and a lack of understanding of the Bible. I'm not bullying you -- I am merely pointing out the complete fallacy of your "house of cards". I can think of no good reason to expend any effort other than to point out your ignorance.

You make false assumptions - you posit false statements based on your false assumptions, and then you expect us to show you where you're wrong, where your ignorance has led you astray?

I think not ....

More abuse while refuting nothing.

Thanks for showing all here how the religious are.

If you had access to an Inquisition, you would have me killed just as your predecessors did.

Thanks for doing my work of discrediting your vile religion and genocidal son murdering prick of a God.

Regards
DL

Refute nothing? Seriously?

I refute your whole, ridiculous position.

You make a false assumption - and then expect someone else to prove you wrong. Of course, you won't listen when they actually do, but hey .... it's your world, I'm just passing thru.

Continue to look stupid ---- I don't mind.

What false assumption?

Note how you accuse and claim a refutation without even showing the issue.

Who looks stupid?

Regards
DL

As you've been told three times - and refuse to recognize - your base assumption is false, and thus negates your whole premise.

"... God, as our creator, according to scriptures, creates us all as sinners, which many see as evil."

False.

God created us sin-free. It was OUR action that resulted in original sin. Therefore, your premise, which is the underpinning of your whole discussion, that God was the "original sinner" is false. In fact, it was God who assigned original sin AFTER our actions - not before.

Further, you compound your error by claiming that "A tree is known by its fruits." - a convenient non-sequitur. Trees are NOT defined by their fruits. Last time I checked, there isn't much use for pine cones - does that mean there is no use for evergreens? Redwoods produce nothing - does that mean they are useless? Your son takes drugs and robs 7-11's. Should you be held responsible?

Your whole premise falls apart .... 1) you misstate God's role in original sin, and 2) you use a non-sequitur to try to justify your faulty position.

Just not going to fly.

But, I particularly enjoy how you use Google to find biblical quotes, and then apply them out of context - either thru your ignorance of the actual intent of the paragraph, of an ill-fated attempt to try to impress those who don't know any better.

I find that humorous - sad, but humorous.

 

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"... God, as our creator, according to scriptures, creates us all as sinners, which many see as evil."

False.

God created us sin-free. It was OUR action that resulted in original sin. Therefore, your premise, which is the underpinning of your whole discussion, that God was the "original sinner" is false. In fact, it was God who assigned original sin AFTER our actions - not before.

Further, you compound your error by claiming that "A tree is known by its fruits." - a convenient non-sequitur. Trees are NOT defined by their fruits. Last time I checked, there isn't much use for pine cones - does that mean there is no use for evergreens? Redwoods produce nothing - does that mean they are useless? Your son takes drugs and robs 7-11's. Should you be held responsible?

Your whole premise falls apart .... 1) you misstate God's role in original sin, and 2) you use a non-sequitur to try to justify your faulty position.

Just not going to fly.

But, I particularly enjoy how you use Google to find biblical quotes, and then apply them out of context - either thru your ignorance of the actual intent of the paragraph, of an ill-fated attempt to try to impress those who don't know any better.

I find that humorous - sad, but humorous.

Have you not heard of Original Sin?

What is the purpose of baptism?

If we are not born with a dominant sin nature, why is it that none of us never sin?

Regards.
DL

 

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"... God, as our creator, according to scriptures, creates us all as sinners, which many see as evil."

False.

God created us sin-free. It was OUR action that resulted in original sin. Therefore, your premise, which is the underpinning of your whole discussion, that God was the "original sinner" is false. In fact, it was God who assigned original sin AFTER our actions - not before.

Further, you compound your error by claiming that "A tree is known by its fruits." - a convenient non-sequitur. Trees are NOT defined by their fruits. Last time I checked, there isn't much use for pine cones - does that mean there is no use for evergreens? Redwoods produce nothing - does that mean they are useless? Your son takes drugs and robs 7-11's. Should you be held responsible?

Your whole premise falls apart .... 1) you misstate God's role in original sin, and 2) you use a non-sequitur to try to justify your faulty position.

Just not going to fly.

But, I particularly enjoy how you use Google to find biblical quotes, and then apply them out of context - either thru your ignorance of the actual intent of the paragraph, of an ill-fated attempt to try to impress those who don't know any better.

I find that humorous - sad, but humorous.

Have you not heard of Original Sin?

What is the purpose of baptism?

If we are not born with a dominant sin nature, why is it that none of us never sin?

Regards.
DL

Cute.

I speak of original sin - its source and its result - at length, and you pretend I didn't even mention it? Read the post (obviously, for the first time).

You may be assured I am fully familiar with the purpose of baptism.

Are you ready to admit you were wrong? How ya doing on that tree thing? That working out for you?

 

[GreatestIam]

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"... God, as our creator, according to scriptures, creates us all as sinners, which many see as evil."

False.

God created us sin-free. It was OUR action that resulted in original sin. Therefore, your premise, which is the underpinning of your whole discussion, that God was the "original sinner" is false. In fact, it was God who assigned original sin AFTER our actions - not before.

Further, you compound your error by claiming that "A tree is known by its fruits." - a convenient non-sequitur. Trees are NOT defined by their fruits. Last time I checked, there isn't much use for pine cones - does that mean there is no use for evergreens? Redwoods produce nothing - does that mean they are useless? Your son takes drugs and robs 7-11's. Should you be held responsible?

Your whole premise falls apart .... 1) you misstate God's role in original sin, and 2) you use a non-sequitur to try to justify your faulty position.

Just not going to fly.

But, I particularly enjoy how you use Google to find biblical quotes, and then apply them out of context - either thru your ignorance of the actual intent of the paragraph, of an ill-fated attempt to try to impress those who don't know any better.

I find that humorous - sad, but humorous.

Have you not heard of Original Sin?

What is the purpose of baptism?

If we are not born with a dominant sin nature, why is it that none of us never sin?

Regards.
DL

Cute.

I speak of original sin - its source and its result - at length, and you pretend I didn't even mention it? Read the post (obviously, for the first time).

You may be assured I am fully familiar with the purpose of baptism.

Are you ready to admit you were wrong? How ya doing on that tree thing? That working out for you?

Cute.

Thanks for the assurance of what you know.

That did not answer the questions I asked.

When you are ready for an honest discourse, I am here for you.

Regards
DL

 

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"... God, as our creator, according to scriptures, creates us all as sinners, which many see as evil."

False.

God created us sin-free. It was OUR action that resulted in original sin. Therefore, your premise, which is the underpinning of your whole discussion, that God was the "original sinner" is false. In fact, it was God who assigned original sin AFTER our actions - not before.

Further, you compound your error by claiming that "A tree is known by its fruits." - a convenient non-sequitur. Trees are NOT defined by their fruits. Last time I checked, there isn't much use for pine cones - does that mean there is no use for evergreens? Redwoods produce nothing - does that mean they are useless? Your son takes drugs and robs 7-11's. Should you be held responsible?

Your whole premise falls apart .... 1) you misstate God's role in original sin, and 2) you use a non-sequitur to try to justify your faulty position.

Just not going to fly.

But, I particularly enjoy how you use Google to find biblical quotes, and then apply them out of context - either thru your ignorance of the actual intent of the paragraph, of an ill-fated attempt to try to impress those who don't know any better.

I find that humorous - sad, but humorous.

Have you not heard of Original Sin?

What is the purpose of baptism?

If we are not born with a dominant sin nature, why is it that none of us never sin?

Regards.
DL

Cute.

I speak of original sin - its source and its result - at length, and you pretend I didn't even mention it? Read the post (obviously, for the first time).

You may be assured I am fully familiar with the purpose of baptism.

Are you ready to admit you were wrong? How ya doing on that tree thing? That working out for you?

Cute.

Thanks for the assurance of what you know.

That did not answer the questions I asked.

When you are ready for an honest discourse, I am here for you.

Regards
DL

Have a nice day.

I am not the least bit interested in attempting to have an honest discussion with someone so: 1) ill-informed, and 2) unwilling to actually read, and absorb, what is posted.

 

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God seems to have anger issues

The Great Flood, Killing the firstborn of Egypt

He needs to learn to lighten up

Are you another one of those who blames God for all the bad stuff but refuses to credit Him for all the good stuff?

Hate to tell ya

But flooding the entire earth and killing every living thing is the bad stuff
What would you think if the Devil had done that?

To a Gnostic Christian, it was an evil demiurge who did those atrocities.

The thing to wonder is why Christians see their evil God as good.

Regards
DL

The Gnostics were reprehensible people. No wonder you don't discuss your beliefs.

The Socialist Phenomenon by Igor Shafarevich

Really?

What reprehensible attributes do you see in the Cathars?

Let me give you the history, which you likely do not know.

While you criticize the Cathars and show their evil ways, if you can find any, you might also sing the praises of Inquisitions.

This I have to see.



Regards
DL

Opposing marriage, promoting suicide, those who were initiated into the highest rank of the sect could no longer sin which meant they could do anything they wanted. Take your pick.

 

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Are you one who gives God credit for the good but blames man, his creation to you, for all the evil?

No. I am the one who gives God thanks and praise for all He has given us. You are the one who focuses on assigning blame. My focus is not to rationalize that I am doing right when I am really doing wrong.

Do you just ignore the words in scripture that say God is responsible for all things?

Maybe you are paraphrasing and don't understand what the Bible is telling you.

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these"

Amen. And evil is still not extant. As in evil does not exist. Evil is the absence of good.

When interpreting scripture it is helpful to understand the literary type and the context of the times when it was written. Otherwise you could end up with a faulty interpretation like when satan quoted scripture. Thus proving that anyone can quote scripture for their own device.

You go ahead and tell the 10 million or so children that dies from preventable causes yearly that evil does not exist.

See what they tell you.

Regards
DL

Evil doesn't exist. We live in a deterministic universe. Every effect has a cause. There was a reason 10 million or so children die from preventable causes. Someone didn't do the things they needed to do to prevent it. Evil had nothing to do with it.

Besides, everyone dies. Are you telling me that since everyone dies, God is evil?

 

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God seems to have anger issues

The Great Flood, Killing the firstborn of Egypt

He needs to learn to lighten up

For sure.

You would think that a God would know that curing is more moral and better than killing.

Regards
DL

So what do you believe God should have done?

I hinted at it in my post. Cure instead of kill.

What do you think God should have done?

What would you have done given his power?

Regards
DL

So then you think you know more than God? Have you ever read Job Chapter 40 before?

I wouldn't dare to presume anything for God. He doesn't need my help.

Have you read all of Job?

You seem to have missed the main message.

He does need help though, as shown in Job 3;2 where he admits to letting Satan move him to do evil without a just cause.

That is God admitting to being a vile sinner.

Regards
DL

You are the one missing the main message.

The Jews believe that satan is an angel who works for God. His job is to tempt people and test them. You are being tested.

When Job questioned God about this, God said, who the fuck do you think you are to question me? Did you do any of this? Do you think you know how all of this works together? Who do you think you are?

 

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Competition is NOT the only source of what the losers to those competitions will see as evil. But that is certainly a Gnostic worldview.

I will ignore most of your thoughtless drivel but you tempt me here.

You say that I am incorrect yet you do not correct me.

Go ahead. I am all ears. Tell us, if competition is not the cause of all human to human evil, what is?

Regards
DL

You will see anything that disagrees with your worldview as evil.

So unless you think me having a different belief than you is competition, competition is NOT the only source of what the losers to those competitions will see as evil.

 

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Is God competent or incompetent?


We are told in scriptures that evil begets evil and good begets good. God, as our creator, according to scriptures, creates us all as sinners, which many see as evil.


God can thus be seen and judged as being the original sinner since the fruits of his labor (us) went bad or are born bad. A tree is known by its fruits. What else could come from a sinner tree but sin?


I give God a fail on competence for the following reasons.

God created heaven that produced Satan. Fail.

God created Eden which produced Original Sin. Fail.

God had to reboot creation with Noah’s flood. Fail.

God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.

God also had to create hell for his rejects which scriptures say will be the vast majority of us. Fail.


Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds and if we believe that, then the Christian God would obviously be rejected by Jesus and agree with my fail judgement.


Do you agree?


Regards

DL

Obviously, you have allowed your ignorance to outweigh your intellect.

God did NOT create us as sinners. In fact, He created us in His image - and free of sin - , and it was through our own misdeeds that we were levied with 'original sin'.

Argument just kinda falls apart, doesn't it?

I can't even give you credit for a nice try ... it was a pathetic effort wrapped in ignorance, and surrounded by prejudice.

Yet you do not argue against the premise and show you cannot.

Thanks for showing your bully side instead of your intelligent side.

Do you also spank your children without correcting them?

Chastisement without correction is just you showing hate instead of love. You show how little you follow your God's better advise.

Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

Regards
DL

Your logic fails because you do presume there is a creator but that the creator is flawed.

Just not possible.

The simplest explanation is that you don't understand it because any being capable of creating life from dust is orders of magnitude of orders of magnitude beyond your capability.

 

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Is God competent or incompetent?


We are told in scriptures that evil begets evil and good begets good. God, as our creator, according to scriptures, creates us all as sinners, which many see as evil.


God can thus be seen and judged as being the original sinner since the fruits of his labor (us) went bad or are born bad. A tree is known by its fruits. What else could come from a sinner tree but sin?


I give God a fail on competence for the following reasons.

God created heaven that produced Satan. Fail.

God created Eden which produced Original Sin. Fail.

God had to reboot creation with Noah’s flood. Fail.

God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.

God also had to create hell for his rejects which scriptures say will be the vast majority of us. Fail.


Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds and if we believe that, then the Christian God would obviously be rejected by Jesus and agree with my fail judgement.


Do you agree?


Regards

DL

Obviously, you have allowed your ignorance to outweigh your intellect.

God did NOT create us as sinners. In fact, He created us in His image - and free of sin - , and it was through our own misdeeds that we were levied with 'original sin'.

Argument just kinda falls apart, doesn't it?

I can't even give you credit for a nice try ... it was a pathetic effort wrapped in ignorance, and surrounded by prejudice.

The reason people like the OP act this way is because they refuse to take responsibility for anything. They believe that they can somehow create an excuse that will keep them from going to Hell. Well, God doesn't listen to excuses, and He definitely will not give anyone a pass, for any reason. The choice is clear. Repent and accept Christ as Lord of your life, or reject Him and go to Hell. I know, I know. Someone already told me that was a threat. Hard to believe someone can be that stupid. It's no different than telling a child not to stick his hand in the fire. In both cases, you listen or you get burned. This isn't rocket science, people.

This is not rocket science either, yet you plan on doing the immoral thing.

Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral. To abdicate personal responsibility is immoral.

You follow Satan by not stepping up to your own unrighteousness.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Regards
DL

Do you believe you don't sin?

 

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Is God competent or incompetent?


We are told in scriptures that evil begets evil and good begets good. God, as our creator, according to scriptures, creates us all as sinners, which many see as evil.


God can thus be seen and judged as being the original sinner since the fruits of his labor (us) went bad or are born bad. A tree is known by its fruits. What else could come from a sinner tree but sin?


I give God a fail on competence for the following reasons.

God created heaven that produced Satan. Fail.

God created Eden which produced Original Sin. Fail.

God had to reboot creation with Noah’s flood. Fail.

God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.

God also had to create hell for his rejects which scriptures say will be the vast majority of us. Fail.


Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds and if we believe that, then the Christian God would obviously be rejected by Jesus and agree with my fail judgement.


Do you agree?


Regards

DL

Obviously, you have allowed your ignorance to outweigh your intellect.

God did NOT create us as sinners. In fact, He created us in His image - and free of sin - , and it was through our own misdeeds that we were levied with 'original sin'.

Argument just kinda falls apart, doesn't it?

I can't even give you credit for a nice try ... it was a pathetic effort wrapped in ignorance, and surrounded by prejudice.

The reason people like the OP act this way is because they refuse to take responsibility for anything. They believe that they can somehow create an excuse that will keep them from going to Hell. Well, God doesn't listen to excuses, and He definitely will not give anyone a pass, for any reason. The choice is clear. Repent and accept Christ as Lord of your life, or reject Him and go to Hell. I know, I know. Someone already told me that was a threat. Hard to believe someone can be that stupid. It's no different than telling a child not to stick his hand in the fire. In both cases, you listen or you get burned. This isn't rocket science, people.

This is not rocket science either, yet you plan on doing the immoral thing.

Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral. To abdicate personal responsibility is immoral.

You follow Satan by not stepping up to your own unrighteousness.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

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DL

Don't you see the irony of quoting scriptures of a God that you believe is either evil or incompetent.

Think about it. The basis of your beliefs are founded in scriptures written for/by an evil and/or incompetent God. Those are your beliefs, right? That God is not worthy of us? So why are you quoting HIS scriptures as YOUR gospel.

 

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Is God competent or incompetent?


We are told in scriptures that evil begets evil and good begets good. God, as our creator, according to scriptures, creates us all as sinners, which many see as evil.


God can thus be seen and judged as being the original sinner since the fruits of his labor (us) went bad or are born bad. A tree is known by its fruits. What else could come from a sinner tree but sin?


I give God a fail on competence for the following reasons.

God created heaven that produced Satan. Fail.

God created Eden which produced Original Sin. Fail.

God had to reboot creation with Noah’s flood. Fail.

God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.

God also had to create hell for his rejects which scriptures say will be the vast majority of us. Fail.


Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds and if we believe that, then the Christian God would obviously be rejected by Jesus and agree with my fail judgement.


Do you agree?


Regards

DL

Obviously, you have allowed your ignorance to outweigh your intellect.

God did NOT create us as sinners. In fact, He created us in His image - and free of sin - , and it was through our own misdeeds that we were levied with 'original sin'.

Argument just kinda falls apart, doesn't it?

I can't even give you credit for a nice try ... it was a pathetic effort wrapped in ignorance, and surrounded by prejudice.

Yet you do not argue against the premise and show you cannot.

Thanks for showing your bully side instead of your intelligent side.

Do you also spank your children without correcting them?

Chastisement without correction is just you showing hate instead of love. You show how little you follow your God's better advise.

Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

Regards
DL

Is God competent or incompetent?


We are told in scriptures that evil begets evil and good begets good. God, as our creator, according to scriptures, creates us all as sinners, which many see as evil.


God can thus be seen and judged as being the original sinner since the fruits of his labor (us) went bad or are born bad. A tree is known by its fruits. What else could come from a sinner tree but sin?


I give God a fail on competence for the following reasons.

God created heaven that produced Satan. Fail.

God created Eden which produced Original Sin. Fail.

God had to reboot creation with Noah’s flood. Fail.

God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.

God also had to create hell for his rejects which scriptures say will be the vast majority of us. Fail.


Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds and if we believe that, then the Christian God would obviously be rejected by Jesus and agree with my fail judgement.


Do you agree?


Regards

DL

Obviously, you have allowed your ignorance to outweigh your intellect.

God did NOT create us as sinners. In fact, He created us in His image - and free of sin - , and it was through our own misdeeds that we were levied with 'original sin'.

Argument just kinda falls apart, doesn't it?

I can't even give you credit for a nice try ... it was a pathetic effort wrapped in ignorance, and surrounded by prejudice.

Yet you do not argue against the premise and show you cannot.

Thanks for showing your bully side instead of your intelligent side.

Do you also spank your children without correcting them?

Chastisement without correction is just you showing hate instead of love. You show how little you follow your God's better advise.

Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

Regards
DL

You're absolutely right ... I did not argue against the premise.

Why? Simply, because your "premise" is based on ignorance and a lack of understanding of the Bible. I'm not bullying you -- I am merely pointing out the complete fallacy of your "house of cards". I can think of no good reason to expend any effort other than to point out your ignorance.

You make false assumptions - you posit false statements based on your false assumptions, and then you expect us to show you where you're wrong, where your ignorance has led you astray?

I think not ....

More abuse while refuting nothing.

Thanks for showing all here how the religious are.

If you had access to an Inquisition, you would have me killed just as your predecessors did.

Thanks for doing my work of discrediting your vile religion and genocidal son murdering prick of a God.

Regards
DL

You mean the vile religion that you keep quoting scriptures from as the basis for your beliefs in goodness and morality?

Your worldview has more holes than Swiss cheese.

 

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"... God, as our creator, according to scriptures, creates us all as sinners, which many see as evil."

False.

God created us sin-free. It was OUR action that resulted in original sin. Therefore, your premise, which is the underpinning of your whole discussion, that God was the "original sinner" is false. In fact, it was God who assigned original sin AFTER our actions - not before.

Further, you compound your error by claiming that "A tree is known by its fruits." - a convenient non-sequitur. Trees are NOT defined by their fruits. Last time I checked, there isn't much use for pine cones - does that mean there is no use for evergreens? Redwoods produce nothing - does that mean they are useless? Your son takes drugs and robs 7-11's. Should you be held responsible?

Your whole premise falls apart .... 1) you misstate God's role in original sin, and 2) you use a non-sequitur to try to justify your faulty position.

Just not going to fly.

But, I particularly enjoy how you use Google to find biblical quotes, and then apply them out of context - either thru your ignorance of the actual intent of the paragraph, of an ill-fated attempt to try to impress those who don't know any better.

I find that humorous - sad, but humorous.

Have you not heard of Original Sin?

What is the purpose of baptism?

If we are not born with a dominant sin nature, why is it that none of us never sin?

Regards.
DL

Cute.

I speak of original sin - its source and its result - at length, and you pretend I didn't even mention it? Read the post (obviously, for the first time).

You may be assured I am fully familiar with the purpose of baptism.

Are you ready to admit you were wrong? How ya doing on that tree thing? That working out for you?

Cute.

Thanks for the assurance of what you know.

That did not answer the questions I asked.

When you are ready for an honest discourse, I am here for you.

Regards
DL

Have a nice day.

I am not the least bit interested in attempting to have an honest discussion with someone so: 1) ill-informed, and 2) unwilling to actually read, and absorb, what is posted.

His behaviors would make more sense if you read the chapter on the socialism of heresies. Then you would see why he behaves the way he does. It is literally his dogma. These were the primary drivers of the inquisition.

The Socialist Phenomenon by Igor Shafarevich

 

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Are you another one of those who blames God for all the bad stuff but refuses to credit Him for all the good stuff?

Hate to tell ya

But flooding the entire earth and killing every living thing is the bad stuff
What would you think if the Devil had done that?

To a Gnostic Christian, it was an evil demiurge who did those atrocities.

The thing to wonder is why Christians see their evil God as good.

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DL

The Gnostics were reprehensible people. No wonder you don't discuss your beliefs.

The Socialist Phenomenon by Igor Shafarevich

Really?

What reprehensible attributes do you see in the Cathars?

Let me give you the history, which you likely do not know.

While you criticize the Cathars and show their evil ways, if you can find any, you might also sing the praises of Inquisitions.

This I have to see.



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DL

Opposing marriage, promoting suicide, those who were initiated into the highest rank of the sect could no longer sin which meant they could do anything they wanted. Take your pick.

Where do you get this garbage? I would like to check the source.

And why are you ignoring what a real modern Gnostic Christian is telling you and believing what is likely a Christian source?

Regards
DL

 

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Evil doesn't exist.

Thanks for sharing your delusion.

Tell that to those have been raped.

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DL

 

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For sure.

You would think that a God would know that curing is more moral and better than killing.

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DL

So what do you believe God should have done?

I hinted at it in my post. Cure instead of kill.

What do you think God should have done?

What would you have done given his power?

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DL

So then you think you know more than God? Have you ever read Job Chapter 40 before?

I wouldn't dare to presume anything for God. He doesn't need my help.

Have you read all of Job?

You seem to have missed the main message.

He does need help though, as shown in Job 3;2 where he admits to letting Satan move him to do evil without a just cause.

That is God admitting to being a vile sinner.

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DL

You are the one missing the main message.

The Jews believe that satan is an angel who works for God. His job is to tempt people and test them. You are being tested.

When Job questioned God about this, God said, who the fuck do you think you are to question me? Did you do any of this? Do you think you know how all of this works together? Who do you think you are?

So a God who knows everything has to test to confirm want he already knows.

How droll.

Is that what you would do if you already had all the answers?

Regards
DL

 

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Competition is NOT the only source of what the losers to those competitions will see as evil. But that is certainly a Gnostic worldview.

I will ignore most of your thoughtless drivel but you tempt me here.

You say that I am incorrect yet you do not correct me.

Go ahead. I am all ears. Tell us, if competition is not the cause of all human to human evil, what is?

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DL

You will see anything that disagrees with your worldview as evil.

So unless you think me having a different belief than you is competition, competition is NOT the only source of what the losers to those competitions will see as evil.

Different is not necessarily a competitive view.

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DL