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Isn't that between them and God? What is one person's interest in another person's damnation or salvation?
To learn forgiveness that such persons may also find salvation.
The first part does not make sense. Only God can forgive them for salvation purposes, so it still is between them and God. What is my interest in whether or not someone else is saved?
This above all: To thine own-self, be true.
I think Shakespeare had it right.![]()
Is this discussion turning into a Bible discussion? Is this what the OP had in mind?![]()
No, I wrote the op and this isn't supposed to be a bible chat.This above all: To thine own-self, be true.
I think Shakespeare had it right.![]()
Is this discussion turning into a Bible discussion? Is this what the OP had in mind?![]()
This is off topic.
Prove it.Gays make a consious choice based on subconsious factors
This is off topic.
how so? the thread is about judging the root of homosexuality. questioning whether or not one should be making such judgments seems fairly on-topic to me at least.
OP said:The APA lists no known causes for homosexual, thoughthere are some hypotheses. What do you think and why?
Lol yes you did. You even said it below I will point it out. There is no need to stop being a lady about itI never said that people choose their mental illness you freakin nitwit.
Well if it is a mental illness statement belowis in contradiction. No therapy or medicine exists, and there is no pathology withhomosexuality.
If it is a choice it isn't, a mental disorder.And yes, being a faggot is a choice.....a pathetic choice.....but still a choice. ..
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That's a rather silly statement little fella - a choice is not always a consouis choice, there are a myriad of subconsious factors involved . Your knowledge of psychology is extremely limited it would appear .
Serial Killers make a consious choice based on subconsious factors - they are damaged goods psychologically-
Gays make a consious choice based on subconsious factors - they are damaged goods psychologically-
Are you damaged Goods ? It would appear so -
Can you control your Dementia / psychosis/ dysphoria ? - Yes , in mnay cases , but it requires professional help known as Reperative Therapy
Homosexual Serial Killers
[MENTION=46353]GreenBean[/MENTION] can you help research any cases of people who healed of homosexuality
because they traced it to things they didn't FORGIVE and choices they MADE; and
after they went back and FORGAVE those decisions, then they healed and changed?
Can a pattern of "forgiveness/unforgiveness" be shown to be a recurring theme
in cases where people healed of sexual behavior/abuse/addiction
whether this was homosexual or heterosexual, to show the common factors involved?
Note: Some cases involve actions and influences in this lifetime. I am also interested in cases where people report karma carried over from past generations. Can you help find research that would BACK UP what you are saying about conscious or unconscious choices?
Whether or not we choose these life influencing events,
we can choose later to FORGIVE THEM in order to receive healing.
Not all people change when they heal, but enough people to do to report a higher than average success rate.
Can you help find research that would meet Inevitable's standards of proof medically?
Lol yes you did. You even said it below I will point it out. There is no need to stop being a lady about it
Well if it is a mental illness statement belowis in contradiction. No therapy or medicine exists, and there is no pathology withhomosexuality.
If it is a choice it isn't, a mental disorder.
That's a rather silly statement little fella - a choice is not always a consouis choice, there are a myriad of subconsious factors involved . Your knowledge of psychology is extremely limited it would appear .
Serial Killers make a consious choice based on subconsious factors - they are damaged goods psychologically-
Gays make a consious choice based on subconsious factors - they are damaged goods psychologically-
Are you damaged Goods ? It would appear so -
Can you control your Dementia / psychosis/ dysphoria ? - Yes , in mnay cases , but it requires professional help known as Reperative Therapy
Homosexual Serial Killers
So sad all that drek and only one sentence with some mild argument value, extremely mild.Prove it.Gays make a consious choice based on subconsious factors
See I told you it was mild.
I guess you can't really come up with valid points when you are so busy attempting to insult me.
Homosexuality is genetic.
That is the one thing anyone who pays attention knows it isn't.
My sister is lesbian. We knew she was lesbian by the time she was 10 years old. She is a man in every respect save her genitalia and has ALWAYS been so. She was the toughest kid in her school and regularly took on the bullies who were tormenting her friends.
She has been in a committed relationship with her wife for over 15 years. There is no doubt that she is lesbian and has always been one.
Likewise my daughters godmother. She too has always been a lesbian. She tried real hard to be "normal". She comes from a devout Catholic family and dated guys up into college. It was never comfortable for her. Never. She then was introduced to a lesbian from another college student and instantaneously she knew that it was the right thing for her.
I am sorry but you and those who think like you are simply wrong. You allow your religious training and upbringing to bias your thinking.
Male and female homosexuality have substantial prevalence in humans. Pedigree and twin studies indicate that homosexuality has substantial heritability in both sexes, yet concordance between identical twins is low and molecular studies have failed to find associated DNA markers. This paradoxical pattern calls for an explanation. We use published data on fetal androgen signaling and gene regulation via nongenetic changes in DNA packaging (epigenetics) to develop a new model for homosexuality.
I am prettygood with logic.Wow, you actually properly understand the begging the question fallacy.
You don't seem able to support it with facts, but if this isjust your opinionI don't believe it is necessary.I never said I wasn't assuming things, so pointing it out doesn't really change my argument. You asked for an explanation of why some people insist they are born that way if they actually made a choice, I provided the only one that makes sense to me.
Factsthat prove it's a choice? Whatis the post number?
no need to apologize, I tend to take a very different position on thisthanmost people. And often times people automatically assume that I hold the position that is the opposite of theirs.
I didn't misuse the term, you admit that you were mistaken.
I didn't.I didn't misuse it. Youmisrepresented my position and thus my argument whether you were mistaken or not isn't really relevant.
It isn't a tactic, I used the term properly. You misunderstood my position then made one up, and than argued against it. I understand why you made the error, and it isn't your fault (completely) but it is apt.
The fact that they are inconclusive supports my position completely.
You arecorrect I did assume that and I apologize for that assumption. I do have to tip my hat to you for being open minded.
That dexterity, barring loss of function of limbs, is learned.
Have you done the research? And your evidence is inconclusive.
They aren't the ones here making claims.
My position is completely validated by this. Claiming that no proof contrary to your position thus your position must be correct is logical fallacy.
None of your facts prove your position they all prove mine.
No it doesn't.Actually, it does.
You fussed at me for making assumptions about your position, but I did so without libelous comments. I know it never mentioned that homosexuality was an abomination.You would appear more intelligent if you didn't make blanket statements about things you obviously are not familiar with.
Prove it.That doesn't make GISMYS right, but it definitely makes you wrong.
Seems logical to me that anyone who thinks homosexuality is a choice is someone who has to consciously choose heterosexuality (in other words, an in the closet homosexual).
I duno bout the rest of you - I don't choose to be heterosexual. I was born that way.
As a 42yo who's enjoyed sex with both males and females I don't believe x-sexuality as an orientation even exists. I think instead, we're just animals and are capable of having sex with whomever we desire at that moment. x-sexuality orientation is a relatively new concept. Until they were coined, people just had sex with no special delineation between gay or straight. It was such a non-issue in fact that most everyone we read about now in history books was by today's definitions bisexual. They married opposite sexed people, but for recreative or social bonding sex had such experiences with their own sex as well. No where is this more pronounced than in ancient Greek and Roman circles.
For ease of reference, I'm bisexual. Though I prefer to think of it as simply 'sexual.' I'm not automatically attracted to every man or every woman, and sexual attraction for me requires actually knowing someone personally. If I'm simply horny I masturbate. But before I involve another person's feelings and emotions I wanna make sure we're into each other beyond simply mutual desire to have a bit of fun. But the last thing on my mind is what sex they happen to be. Both are fun for different reasons, and in point of fact a lot of cross-over fun as well.
But we are unfortunately a label-obsessed society. I'm not sure why, but we distance ourselves throughout our experience into this or that labels. Liberal/conservative, black/white, gay/straight, rich/poor are some of the big ones. But as animals, I think in objective reality we're just human beings and what to most is a label difference between two people, is to me simply natural variation seen throughout nature. If people wanna break other people down into camps with labels that's their problem.
I mostly agree with you on your understanding of sexuality, though I tend to think of it as more of a spectrum. Some people keep to one side or the other and naturally do so. Few peopleexist in the middle.
Well sexual behaviours may well occur on a spectrum, but that doesn't then mean those behaviours EXIST on that spectrum. Merely they OCCUR on it. Objective reality is like things we observe among other animals. We are merely another species of primate this planet has given a shot at evolution (or conversely, even if you thump your Bible, another animal God created.) But be definition, anything other animals do is natural behaviour. Same-sex sexual behaviour in particular. Some 1500 other animals have been observed engaging in same-sex sexual behaviours but are those 'homosexual' animals? Probably not. Instead they're simply animals doing what animals do. So why should we be any different?
All the hetereo/homo/bisexual labels suggest we're special, but I don't beleive we are. We're just another primate blessed (or cursed) with advanced brains enabling us to complicate simple things.![]()
God's word condemns Homosexuality AS AN ABOMINATION!!!
EXACTLY where, in your bible, does god say "homosexuality is an abomination"?
EXACTLY.
...Word 'homosexuality' didn't exist when the Torah was written. Thus, no Bible should say 'homosexuality' is...Anything.
Levticus 18:22 says 'men who lie with men, as men lie with women is an abomination.' In English anyway. Of course, more importantly is asking why if you don't identify as Jewish you're using a Jewish religious text? If you claim to be Christian, but are using the BIble to read about Godly things form, you're not a very good Christian since the first Christians didn't use what became the Bible centuries later. Instead they used single Gospels in circulation at the time, but entire OT+NT Bibles wouldn't exist for at least a thousand years.
I mostly agree with you on your understanding of sexuality, though I tend to think of it as more of a spectrum. Some people keep to one side or the other and naturally do so. Few peopleexist in the middle.
Well sexual behaviours may well occur on a spectrum, but that doesn't then mean those behaviours EXIST on that spectrum. Merely they OCCUR on it. Objective reality is like things we observe among other animals. We are merely another species of primate this planet has given a shot at evolution (or conversely, even if you thump your Bible, another animal God created.) But be definition, anything other animals do is natural behaviour. Same-sex sexual behaviour in particular. Some 1500 other animals have been observed engaging in same-sex sexual behaviours but are those 'homosexual' animals? Probably not. Instead they're simply animals doing what animals do. So why should we be any different?
All the hetereo/homo/bisexual labels suggest we're special, but I don't beleive we are. We're just another primate blessed (or cursed) with advanced brains enabling us to complicate simple things.![]()
If one does believe in a god, a magical super being created us, then he/she also created homosexuals.
Is that god so imperfect that he/she screwed up on such a large minority? I mean, he/she screwed up the male human so badly that we have to chop off part of his penis to fix god's mistake.![]()
The OP is not about Bible Study. If you wish to start your own OP in Religion have at it. Keep the religious arguments out of this one.