Is Israel the Same as South Africa?

[P F Tinmore]

Still nothing in legality .

Not that I really care btw, I just don't agree with you

Just like an appointed cabinet member in the US cannot be sworn into office without senate approval, the PM and his cabinet in Palestine cannot be sworn in without PLC (parliament) approval.

It is cut and dried. There is no room for interpretation or opinion.

 

[Kondor3]

Consider it a Population Re-Alignment...

Gerrymandering, on a grand scale...

Like the Poles kicking the Germans out of East Prussia and the Czechs kicking the Germans out of the Sudatenland, both under Allied Control, and shifting them elsewhere...

Beats going in and slaughtering them until there are none left...

So the Palestinians are getting kicked out and forced to move on...

Big deal

All this shows us how the Nazis have brainwashed their victims into thinking just like them.

Adolf Eichmann said that if he was a Jew he would be an extremist Zionist.

After hundreds of suicide bombings and rocket attacks upon innocent Israeli civilians, I'm sure that the Israelis really don't give a frog's fat ass what you call it, or them, so long as their own people are safe...

You (the Muslim-Arabs of the region, and, specifically, the Palestinians), have committed so much mayhem upon the Jews of Israel over the years so as to harden their hearts and bring themselves (and you) to this pretty pass...

If the Jews of Israel were really acting like Nazis, they would be gassing the Palestinians to death by the hundreds of thousands rather than just slowly-but-surely forcing them off their land...

It makes no sense to live alongside a poisonous viper (the Palestinians) if it can be avoided...

And Israel has the muscle to slowly neutralize those vipers and eventually to shove them aside and out of reach, while still leaving them alive...

If you want to call the Jews of Israel (or those who support them and their policies of land-squeeze) Nazis, then, wake me up when they start gassing Palestinians by the hundreds of thousands and cremating the bodies...

Until then, good luck in conjuring up better equivalencies...

 

[Hoffstra]

You (the Muslim-Arabs of the region, and, specifically, the Palestinians), have committed so much mayhem upon the Jews of Israel over the years so as to harden their hearts and bring themselves (and you) to this pretty pass...

and yet the Zionists committed genocide against the Arabs of Palestine, long before suicide attacks started. decades in fact.

...If the Jews of Israel were really acting like Nazis, they would be gassing the Palestinians to death by the hundreds of thousands rather than just slowly-but-surely forcing them off their land...

this must be your dream every night, to commit mass-murder against the Arabs of Palestine. You ZioNazi filth!!

It makes no sense to live alongside a poisonous viper (the Palestinians) if it can be avoided...

The Nazis called Jews rats. You call Arabs vipers. Same hatred, different uniform.

...And Israel has the muscle to slowly neutralize those vipers and eventually to shove them aside and out of reach, while still leaving them alive...

more Nazi fantasies from the victim of the Nazis. Ironic huh?

 

[MHunterB]

"....and yet the Zionists committed genocide against the Arabs of Palestine, long before suicide attacks started. decades in fact."

When posters tell big whopping lies like the above BS filth, it severely diminishes their credibility.

Especially when the "new" poster belies his avatar with almost every single post.

 

[Hossfly]

You (the Muslim-Arabs of the region, and, specifically, the Palestinians), have committed so much mayhem upon the Jews of Israel over the years so as to harden their hearts and bring themselves (and you) to this pretty pass...

and yet the Zionists committed genocide against the Arabs of Palestine, long before suicide attacks started. decades in fact.

...If the Jews of Israel were really acting like Nazis, they would be gassing the Palestinians to death by the hundreds of thousands rather than just slowly-but-surely forcing them off their land...

this must be your dream every night, to commit mass-murder against the Arabs of Palestine. You ZioNazi filth!!

It makes no sense to live alongside a poisonous viper (the Palestinians) if it can be avoided...

The Nazis called Jews rats. You call Arabs vipers. Same hatred, different uniform.

...And Israel has the muscle to slowly neutralize those vipers and eventually to shove them aside and out of reach, while still leaving them alive...

more Nazi fantasies from the victim of the Nazis. Ironic huh?

Miss Hoffstra, the NeoNazi or Islamofascist filth (whatever the case might be) gets so excited when she hears that her friends in the Sudan have murdered over 2 million Christians and are still murdering them along with the Black tribes. Does anyone think that she cares about her friends now killing Christians in Nigeria and Egypt? Since the Jews are not involved in this, she keeps her excitement over the murders to herself. By the way, you NeoNazi filth (since you are throwing out the word "filth" I know you wouldn't mind it describing yourself), why not tell us what Muslims call the Infidels? As Rocco can see, he has a difficult task telling the facts to those who don't want to believe them, but they certainly are happy to make up their own facts.

 

[toastman]

You (the Muslim-Arabs of the region, and, specifically, the Palestinians), have committed so much mayhem upon the Jews of Israel over the years so as to harden their hearts and bring themselves (and you) to this pretty pass...

and yet the Zionists committed genocide against the Arabs of Palestine, long before suicide attacks started. decades in fact.

...If the Jews of Israel were really acting like Nazis, they would be gassing the Palestinians to death by the hundreds of thousands rather than just slowly-but-surely forcing them off their land...

this must be your dream every night, to commit mass-murder against the Arabs of Palestine. You ZioNazi filth!!

It makes no sense to live alongside a poisonous viper (the Palestinians) if it can be avoided...

The Nazis called Jews rats. You call Arabs vipers. Same hatred, different uniform.

...And Israel has the muscle to slowly neutralize those vipers and eventually to shove them aside and out of reach, while still leaving them alive...

more Nazi fantasies from the victim of the Nazis. Ironic huh?

We get that you're a miserable and hateful human being, but at least don't tell lies.
You just lost EVERY bit of credibility that you might have just had, and every time you compare Jews of Israel to Nazis, you are spitting on the graves of the millions of dead Jews .
Also, you constant childish insults really make you and the other pro - Palestinians look bad. I'd calm down if I were you, if you want to stick around, little angry boy.
For fucks sake you've been posting jibberish non stop since this morning, why don't you ask your mom permission if you could go outside for a walk.

 

[toastman]

Still nothing in legality .

Not that I really care btw, I just don't agree with you

Just like an appointed cabinet member in the US cannot be sworn into office without senate approval, the PM and his cabinet in Palestine cannot be sworn in without PLC (parliament) approval.

It is cut and dried. There is no room for interpretation or opinion.

Still no link saying the PA's governing in the WB is illegal??

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The legitimate government is one that is recognized.

Still nothing in legality .

Not that I really care btw, I just don't agree with you

Just like an appointed cabinet member in the US cannot be sworn into office without senate approval, the PM and his cabinet in Palestine cannot be sworn in without PLC (parliament) approval.

It is cut and dried. There is no room for interpretation or opinion.

Still no link saying the PA's governing in the WB is illegal??

(COMMENT)

I'm not sure that even the Palestinians understand which government is the real government.

1. Reaffirms the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967;

2. Decides to accord to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations, without prejudice to the acquired rights, privileges and role of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the United Nations as the representative of the Palestinian people, in accordance with the relevant resolutions and practice;

3. Expresses the hope that the Security Council will consider favourably the application submitted on 23 September 2011 by the State of Palestine for admission to full membership in the United Nations;8

4. Affirms its determination to contribute to the achievement of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and the attainment of a peaceful settlement in the Middle East that ends the occupation that began in 1967 and fulfils the vision of two States: an independent, sovereign, democratic, contiguous and viable State of Palestine living side by side in peace and security with Israel on the basis of the pre-1967 borders;

5. Expresses the urgent need for the resumption and acceleration of negotiations within the Middle East peace process based on the relevant United Nations resolutions, the terms of reference of the Madrid Conference, including the principle of land for peace, the Arab Peace Initiative5 and the Quartet road map to a permanent two-State solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict9 for the achievement of a just, lasting and comprehensive peace settlement between the Palestinian and Israeli sides that resolves all outstanding core issues, namely the Palestine refugees, Jerusalem, settlements, borders, security and water;

6. Urges all States, the specialized agencies and organizations of the United Nations system to continue to support and assist the Palestinian people in the early realization of their right to self-determination, independence and freedom;

7. Requests the Secretary-General to take the necessary measures to implement the present resolution and to report to the Assembly within three months on progress made in this regard.

SOURCE: A/67/L.28 26 November 2012

But it would seem that it is not HAMAS.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Still nothing in legality .

Not that I really care btw, I just don't agree with you

Just like an appointed cabinet member in the US cannot be sworn into office without senate approval, the PM and his cabinet in Palestine cannot be sworn in without PLC (parliament) approval.

It is cut and dried. There is no room for interpretation or opinion.

Still no link saying the PA's governing in the WB is illegal??

Geesh!!!

Formation of the Government
Article 65

Once appointed by the President of the Palestinian National Authority, the Prime Minister shall form a government within three weeks of the date of appointment. There shall be a right to an extension of a maximum of two weeks.
If the Prime Minister fails to form a government within the stated deadline or does not obtain the confidence of the Legislative Council, then the President of the National Authority shall appoint another Prime Minister within two weeks of the passing of the deadline or the date of the confidence session, whichever applies. Provisions contained in the above paragraph 1 shall apply to the new Prime Minister.


Confidence in the Government
Article 66

Once the Prime Minister selects the members of the government, the Prime Minister shall submit a request to the Legislative Council to hold a special session for a vote of confidence. The vote of confidence shall take place after hearing and discussing the written ministerial declaration which specifies the program and policy of the government. The session shall be held no later than one week from the date of submission of the request.
The vote of confidence shall be cast for the Prime Minister and the members of the government together, unless the absolute majority of the members of the Legislative Council decides otherwise.
Confidence shall be granted to the government if it obtains the affirmative vote of the absolute majority of the Members of the Palestinian Legislative Council.

2003 Amended Basic Law | The Palestinian Basic Law

If the prime minister and his cabinet do not get a vote of confidence, they cannot take office.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The legitimate government is one that is recognized.

Just like an appointed cabinet member in the US cannot be sworn into office without senate approval, the PM and his cabinet in Palestine cannot be sworn in without PLC (parliament) approval.

It is cut and dried. There is no room for interpretation or opinion.

Still no link saying the PA's governing in the WB is illegal??

(COMMENT)

I'm not sure that even the Palestinians understand which government is the real government.

1. Reaffirms the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967;

2. Decides to accord to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations, without prejudice to the acquired rights, privileges and role of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the United Nations as the representative of the Palestinian people, in accordance with the relevant resolutions and practice;

3. Expresses the hope that the Security Council will consider favourably the application submitted on 23 September 2011 by the State of Palestine for admission to full membership in the United Nations;8

4. Affirms its determination to contribute to the achievement of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and the attainment of a peaceful settlement in the Middle East that ends the occupation that began in 1967 and fulfils the vision of two States: an independent, sovereign, democratic, contiguous and viable State of Palestine living side by side in peace and security with Israel on the basis of the pre-1967 borders;

5. Expresses the urgent need for the resumption and acceleration of negotiations within the Middle East peace process based on the relevant United Nations resolutions, the terms of reference of the Madrid Conference, including the principle of land for peace, the Arab Peace Initiative5 and the Quartet road map to a permanent two-State solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict9 for the achievement of a just, lasting and comprehensive peace settlement between the Palestinian and Israeli sides that resolves all outstanding core issues, namely the Palestine refugees, Jerusalem, settlements, borders, security and water;

6. Urges all States, the specialized agencies and organizations of the United Nations system to continue to support and assist the Palestinian people in the early realization of their right to self-determination, independence and freedom;

7. Requests the Secretary-General to take the necessary measures to implement the present resolution and to report to the Assembly within three months on progress made in this regard.

SOURCE: A/67/L.28 26 November 2012

But it would seem that it is not HAMAS.

Most Respectfully,
R

The legitimate government is one that is recognized.

Where does it say that foreigners can decide who is the government of a country?

Link?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I just gave you the link.

P F Tinmore, et al,

The legitimate government is one that is recognized.

Still no link saying the PA's governing in the WB is illegal??

(COMMENT)

I'm not sure that even the Palestinians understand which government is the real government.

But it would seem that it is not HAMAS.

Most Respectfully,
R

The legitimate government is one that is recognized.

Where does it say that foreigners can decide who is the government of a country?

Link?

(COMMENT)

You are obsessed with "foreigners."

There is no universal definition of a "failed state." But generally, we know it by what we don't see in the state. A number of characteristics create a "failed state." One of them is the inability to perform the basic responsibilities of a sovereign government. One of those basic responsibilities is the ability to enter into productive foreign relations with the other states.

HAMAS is a government that has demonstrated its inability to enter into productive foreign relations with the UN and regional neighbors. In contrast, the Palestinian Authority has demonstrated the ability to enter into positive foreign relations. So much so that the eyes of the entire world are on it as it enters into negotiations with Israel.

Yes, the general consensus is that on paper, and steeped in concept, there is a political theory that the creation of a state is independent of international recognition by the other foreign powers and conventions. However, if no other foreign power recognizes it, the state --- in reality --- becomes (for all practical purposes) invisible and cannot functionally represent its population. The Palestinian Territories is a quasi-failed state, with a dissociative identity between HAMAS (failed) and PLO (marginally functioning but positive), FATAH being the largest of the factional members.

In this case, A/67/L.28 26 November 2012, finds that the "role of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the United Nations as the representative of the Palestinian people." You and other HAMAS followers can believe otherwise, but that leaves you without an international voice; at least for a time.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Kondor3]

"...Where does it say that foreigners can decide who is the government of a country?..."

One needs a 'country' before one can decide who is the government.

The so-called 'country' named 'Palestine' never existed.

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The legitimate government is one that is recognized.

Still no link saying the PA's governing in the WB is illegal??

(COMMENT)

I'm not sure that even the Palestinians understand which government is the real government.



But it would seem that it is not HAMAS.

Most Respectfully,
R

The legitimate government is one that is recognized.

Where does it say that foreigners can decide who is the government of a country?

Link?

Still nothing, eh?
I have never heard ANYONE suggest the PA's governing in the WB is illegal. They are recognized by the U.S, Israel and the PAlestinians, yes or no ?

 

[docmauser1]

Israel has one rule for Arabs and another rule for Jews when it comes to building demolitions, building permits, fences, walls, checkpoints, land confiscation, application of old treaties, and lawsuits for lost lands. Its the Israeli version of Apartheid. Its called "Hafrada".

It's called drivel.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I just gave you the link.

P F Tinmore, et al,

The legitimate government is one that is recognized.


(COMMENT)

I'm not sure that even the Palestinians understand which government is the real government.

But it would seem that it is not HAMAS.

Most Respectfully,
R

The legitimate government is one that is recognized.

Where does it say that foreigners can decide who is the government of a country?

Link?

(COMMENT)

You are obsessed with "foreigners."

Take away foreign interference and what problems would the Palestinians have?

There is no universal definition of a "failed state." But generally, we know it by what we don't see in the state. A number of characteristics create a "failed state." One of them is the inability to perform the basic responsibilities of a sovereign government. One of those basic responsibilities is the ability to enter into productive foreign relations with the other states.

How much of this has to do with Israel's occupation? It looks liker you are blaming the victim.

HAMAS is a government that has demonstrated its inability to enter into productive foreign relations with the UN and regional neighbors. In contrast, the Palestinian Authority has demonstrated the ability to enter into positive foreign relations. So much so that the eyes of the entire world are on it as it enters into negotiations with Israel.

Hamas is a product of Israel.

The Palestinian Authority (the illegal government) engages in the dog and pony show called the peace process that always leaves the Palestinians further behind. Hamas fails to take part in that charade.

Yes, the general consensus is that on paper, and steeped in concept, there is a political theory that the creation of a state is independent of international recognition by the other foreign powers and conventions. However, if no other foreign power recognizes it, the state --- in reality --- becomes (for all practical purposes) invisible and cannot functionally represent its population. The Palestinian Territories is a quasi-failed state, with a dissociative identity between HAMAS (failed) and PLO (marginally functioning but positive), FATAH being the largest of the factional members.

In this case, A/67/L.28 26 November 2012, finds that the "role of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the United Nations as the representative of the Palestinian people." You and other HAMAS followers can believe otherwise, but that leaves you without an international voice; at least for a time.

For some odd reason the UN and others recognize the PLO as representing the Palestinian people. The PLO has become more irrelevant and less representative of the people since the Oslo fiasco. The Palestinians formed a new form of government with the adoption of their constitution in 2002. (and amended in 2003) The PLO plays no part in the new government.

Who represents the Palestinians? FYI

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKcxj7ZASCA]The Stream - Palestinians: Lost in representation - YouTube[/ame]

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[docmauser1]

The Palestinians fight inside their own country to defend their own country.

So, who was that effendi, shakh, emir, sultan, prime-minister, president of that palistanian country of theirs to support the contention?

 

[P F Tinmore]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi_0lTKPttM]Negation talks - YouTube[/ame]

 

[docmauser1]

Negation talks - YouTube

Do they say who was that effendi, shakh, emir, sultan, prime-minister, president of that palistanian country of theirs to support the contention that palistanians fight inside their own country to defend their own country?

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I just gave you the link.

Where does it say that foreigners can decide who is the government of a country?

Link?

(COMMENT)

You are obsessed with "foreigners."

Take away foreign interference and what problems would the Palestinians have?



How much of this has to do with Israel's occupation? It looks liker you are blaming the victim.



Hamas is a product of Israel.

The Palestinian Authority (the illegal government) engages in the dog and pony show called the peace process that always leaves the Palestinians further behind. Hamas fails to take part in that charade.

Yes, the general consensus is that on paper, and steeped in concept, there is a political theory that the creation of a state is independent of international recognition by the other foreign powers and conventions. However, if no other foreign power recognizes it, the state --- in reality --- becomes (for all practical purposes) invisible and cannot functionally represent its population. The Palestinian Territories is a quasi-failed state, with a dissociative identity between HAMAS (failed) and PLO (marginally functioning but positive), FATAH being the largest of the factional members.

In this case, A/67/L.28 26 November 2012, finds that the "role of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the United Nations as the representative of the Palestinian people." You and other HAMAS followers can believe otherwise, but that leaves you without an international voice; at least for a time.

For some odd reason the UN and others recognize the PLO as representing the Palestinian people. The PLO has become more irrelevant and less representative of the people since the Oslo fiasco. The Palestinians formed a new form of government with the adoption of their constitution in 2002. (and amended in 2003) The PLO plays no part in the new government.

Who represents the Palestinians? FYI

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKcxj7ZASCA]The Stream - Palestinians: Lost in representation - YouTube[/ame]

Most Respectfully,
R

Territory, not country ...

 

[georgephillip]

The prime example of conspiratorial nonsense in this country today is the suicidal confidence in the moral superiority of the greatest purveyor of violence on this planet, which, I gather, you've proudly served for your entire adult life. Not only do "we not bow" to threats, we murder, maim, displace and incarcerate millions of innocent human beings thousands of miles from our homeland FOR MONEY and MARKET SHARE. As far as 911 is concerned, you have laid out in great detail the ability of the US to monitor communications world-wide, yet on 9/11/2001 the epicenter of that global electronic dragnet was struck by a civilian aircraft; maybe the 19 suicidal Saudis should have targeted the DC electrical grid? Whether or not the US could tackle seven countries in five years, two have been balkanized, two more are on the block, and the Persians are threatening to sell their oil in gold. Your broadsword is even more damaging when its swung by suicidal psychopaths with Rs or Ds behind their names.

And the internal chaos and fighting among Arabs cannot be blamed on the Arabs themselves, in any way. To say that Arabs can't be held responsible for their own actions is painting them as sub-human.

Sykes-Picot is where sub-human Europeans created the conditions for today's internal chaos and fighting among Arabs:

"The Sykes–Picot Agreement, officially known as the Asia Minor Agreement, was a secret agreement between the governments of the United Kingdom and France,[1] with the assent of Russia, defining their proposed spheres of influence and control in the Middle East should the Triple Entente succeed in defeating the Ottoman Empire during World War I.

"The negotiation of the treaty occurred between November 1915 and March 1916.[2]

"The agreement was concluded on 16 May 1916.[3]

Ninety-seven years later sub-human Americans have maimed, murdered, displaced, and incarcerated millions of innocent Arabs in order to bring democracy to the Middle East.
Or maybe it's the OIL?