Is it God’s right to kill us whenever he sees fit?

[GreatestIam]

Show the flaw.

Regards
DL

The flaw is that God doesn't pull any strings in this world. We control our own destiny. It's called free will. He let's us reap what we sow.

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature, then the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

Your view is flawed.

Regards
DL

No. It is your view that God is punishing us that is flawed. God wound up the clock and put motion in place. What happened after that is all on us.

I can see right through fakes like you.

So God has no hell waiting to punish us. Good.

As to fake, kiss my ass mental child who only lives for e mail entries.

If you want me to not ignore you completely, change your garbage attitude. For all you are worth, I can live with you on ignore, no problem.

Regards
DL

To the best of my knowledge hell is being eternally separated from God and heaven is being eternally reunited with God. I don't read anymore into it than that. Religion is about how to live. Not what happens when we die.

The only one who has a garbage mentality is you. Take your own advice. But regardless of what you choose to do, you can count on me to counter your BS.

Eternal separation from a genocidal son murdering prick sounds fine by me.

Why do you wish to hang out with such a prick for eternity?

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

You seek to subordinate religion.

I stopped reading your garbage here.

You are correct as they are not worth spit, thanks to their vile ideologies.

Both Christianity and Islam, slave holding ideologies, have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

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Humanity centered religions, good? Yes.

Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes.

Do you agree?

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Show the flaw.

Regards
DL

The flaw is that God doesn't pull any strings in this world. We control our own destiny. It's called free will. He let's us reap what we sow.

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature, then the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

Your view is flawed.

Regards
DL

If there was no planet earth... no creation to begin with, you wouldnt even be having this 'discussion'. I dont claim to be an expert like you obviously claim to be . Someday I hope I reach the level of arrogance that you have reached on these subjects, but at present... I honestly am not sure which parts of the bible (for it is written by many people) is to be taken litteraly or figuratively , and the reality of what is inside us.... and what awaits in the next life .. is all pretty unclear. Most people just make an attempt to understand it, and attempt to understand what is required to live a good life in this world..... well, if that is their direction.

I never claimed to be an expert but thanks for putting me in that class.

If you think a book that begins with a talking serpent shoulde be read literally, you are a fool.

As to arrogance. Call me that if you want but I am just sure of what I say and lay out there to be refuted. If you lack confidence/arrogance in what you believe then that is your character flaw and not mine.

Was Jesus confident in what he said or do you see his confidence as arrogance as well?

Regards
DL

Seems to me that you are the only fool here who is reading the Bible literally.

If you believe in a real literal Jesus, you are reading the bible literally, fool.

Regards
DL

 

[ding]

The flaw is that God doesn't pull any strings in this world. We control our own destiny. It's called free will. He let's us reap what we sow.

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature, then the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

Your view is flawed.

Regards
DL

No. It is your view that God is punishing us that is flawed. God wound up the clock and put motion in place. What happened after that is all on us.

I can see right through fakes like you.

So God has no hell waiting to punish us. Good.

As to fake, kiss my ass mental child who only lives for e mail entries.

If you want me to not ignore you completely, change your garbage attitude. For all you are worth, I can live with you on ignore, no problem.

Regards
DL

To the best of my knowledge hell is being eternally separated from God and heaven is being eternally reunited with God. I don't read anymore into it than that. Religion is about how to live. Not what happens when we die.

The only one who has a garbage mentality is you. Take your own advice. But regardless of what you choose to do, you can count on me to counter your BS.

Eternal separation from a genocidal son murdering prick sounds fine by me.

Why do you wish to hang out with such a prick for eternity?

Regards
DL

Eternal separation sounds fine to you? Most people don't realize what they have until they lose it. You might be one of those people.

Why do I want to be eternally re-united with God? Because I don't believe God is a prick. I am objective and see reality for how it is. I'm not a militant atheist on a mission like you. That's why.

 

[ding]

You seek to subordinate religion.

I stopped reading your garbage here.

You are correct as they are not worth spit, thanks to their vile ideologies.

Both Christianity and Islam, slave holding ideologies, have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

The Theft of Our Values - Top Documentary Films



Humanity centered religions, good? Yes.

Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes.

Do you agree?

Regards
DL

The let me re-post it for you. Because others love reading it. Thanks for the opportunity to re-post it.

What you intend for evil, God is using for good.

Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership. Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe. They confuse critical theory for critical thinking. Critical thinking is the practice of challenging what one does believe to test its validity. Something they never do.

 

[ding]

The flaw is that God doesn't pull any strings in this world. We control our own destiny. It's called free will. He let's us reap what we sow.

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature, then the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

Your view is flawed.

Regards
DL

If there was no planet earth... no creation to begin with, you wouldnt even be having this 'discussion'. I dont claim to be an expert like you obviously claim to be . Someday I hope I reach the level of arrogance that you have reached on these subjects, but at present... I honestly am not sure which parts of the bible (for it is written by many people) is to be taken litteraly or figuratively , and the reality of what is inside us.... and what awaits in the next life .. is all pretty unclear. Most people just make an attempt to understand it, and attempt to understand what is required to live a good life in this world..... well, if that is their direction.

I never claimed to be an expert but thanks for putting me in that class.

If you think a book that begins with a talking serpent shoulde be read literally, you are a fool.

As to arrogance. Call me that if you want but I am just sure of what I say and lay out there to be refuted. If you lack confidence/arrogance in what you believe then that is your character flaw and not mine.

Was Jesus confident in what he said or do you see his confidence as arrogance as well?

Regards
DL

Seems to me that you are the only fool here who is reading the Bible literally.

If you believe in a real literal Jesus, you are reading the bible literally, fool.

Regards
DL

Why wouldn't I? There are more than 24,000 written manuscripts which chronicle the ministry of Jesus. Early Christians wrote about him. Jewish historians wrote about him. And secular historians wrote about him.

The fact that you are working so hard to subordinate belief in Christ tells me he existed. You wouldn't expend this amount of energy on something that didn't exist.

 

[james bond]

How am I to judge their morality? That's not my place, but Jesus, and it's already be predestined. Those not chosen will get what they deserve.

Don't you have a moral sense? Can you not tell good from evil?

Your bible says you do have a moral sense and are required to use it.

Gen3;22 Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil;

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

I do understand that you are a sheeple but if you have to be told what is good or evil, you are barely human and must be quite retarded.

Say it isn't so.

Regards
DL

Your question is like asking God if he's a murderer and he isn't. If you die from an act of God, then no one thinks you were murdered.

Usually, if you are killed by God, then there must've been some reason he let you get killed. We read these stories where people were evil.so God became angry, and killed them. The Bible states the immorality of people is what blinds them to the truth and accept falsehoods. We see that here on the forum.

Innocent people could die, too, such as in an accident but it just means that our time was up. If I died today in accident, then my family and friends would be sad but I would think my time was up and that I was going to a better place. The belief that this life is the true life isn't the correct one. For example, you can't take anything with you after you die. The time we have on earth is brief compared to eternity in the second life. God probably has other plans if you're a believer and die.

We are talking of when God id shown to kill and murder. Not accidents.

Deflection and dishonesty noted.

Regards
DL

Again, God kills, but does not murder. Most believers know and understand this. Non-believers won't because they don't believe in God. It either didn't happen or was a tragedy.

Liar. Killing without a just cause, like the many babies he has murdered, are murder.

Thanks for showing all here how your religion has corrupted your morality.

Regards
DL

Why am I a liar when the Bible shows God is not a murderer? He did not kill innocent peoples. We all have sin and the wages of sin is death. Every person will die in their own time. We both accept this, but for different reasons. (You do not believe we were eternal at one time and that we will have a second life of eternity.) God has just cause because of the way it turned out with free will. Thus, God didn't actually kill, but hastened their second life. It's curious, atheists claim no God, but will quickly place their judgments upon him as evil. Isn't that something Satan would do? Your own logic demonstrates both God and Satan exist.

 

[BreezeWood]

We all have sin

speak for yourself ... the religion of the Almighty - The Triuph of Good vs Evil - speaks differently than what you believe and try to convince others especially the innocent, your favorite victims.

 

[james bond]

We all have sin

speak for yourself ... the religion of the Almighty - The Triuph of Good vs Evil - speaks differently than what you believe and try to convince others especially the innocent, your favorite victims.

It's not me but God who has said we all have sin and the wages of sin is death. Otherwise, the believers would not die. You're just making arguments up when the Bible has stated as such.

It states God punished humans with death for Adam's sin and punished Eve further by making childbirth painful. Of course, you don't believe it, but like I said you will after you die. This is further evidence of creation.

Why Is Human Childbirth So Painful?

 

[GreatestIam]

Eternal separation sounds fine to you? Most people don't realize what they have until they lose it. You might be one of those people.

I said separation from your genocidal son murdering prick. See the difference when one honestly looks at what I wrote instead of your dishonest take? Thanks for showing how dishonest you are and why I generally ignore you and will again soon.

Most people like you imagine some Shangri-La heaven and then offer it as real. Again, dishonesty as you have no way of knowing if you will like heaven under a tyrannical prick. You are definitely one of those dishonest people and a liar to boot.

Why do I want to be eternally re-united with God? Because I don't believe God is a prick.

Thus showing that your morals are corrupt. I see you have yet to justify Yahweh's genocide of mankind.

I ignore you last personal garbage that you seem unable to stop from putting.

You are quite the a hole.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Why am I a liar when the Bible shows God is not a murderer? He did not kill innocent peoples

Were the first born of Egypt guilty of something or was it their parents?
Was King David's baby guilty of something or was it the king who screwed around?
Were the children and babies, even in the womb guilty when God sent his flood?

They were murder and you are a liar or really dumb if you do not see it that way.

Regards
DL

 

[BreezeWood]

We all have sin

speak for yourself ... the religion of the Almighty - The Triuph of Good vs Evil - speaks differently than what you believe and try to convince others especially the innocent, your favorite victims.

It's not me but God who has said we all have sin and the wages of sin is death. Otherwise, the believers would not die. You're just making arguments up when the Bible has stated as such.

It states God punished humans with death for Adam's sin and punished Eve further by making childbirth painful. Of course, you don't believe it, but like I said you will after you die. This is further evidence of creation.

Why Is Human Childbirth So Painful?

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It's not me but God who has said we all have sin and the wages of sin is death.

we all have sin ...


Noah was not a sinner and was capable of dying in purity as is the price for Admission to the Everlasting and is the basis and reaffirmation of the Religion of Antiquity, it is your 4th century version that goes to far - your signature:


Jesus answered, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me.


is a forgery as many found throughout your 10000 pg. book, there are no confirmations by the primary participant for a reason, the spoken religion of Antiquity was never in question in the 1st century.

 

[james bond]

Why am I a liar when the Bible shows God is not a murderer? He did not kill innocent peoples

Were the first born of Egypt guilty of something or was it their parents?
Was King David's baby guilty of something or was it the king who screwed around?
Were the children and babies, even in the womb guilty when God sent his flood?

They were murder and you are a liar or really dumb if you do not see it that way.

Regards
DL

. What part of sin do you not understand? They all live or die because of God. Otherwise, you can show us how you or any other scientists create life. You can take life, but that would make you a murderer (unless self-defense). It's like self-defense with God. He doesn't break any laws. When you read the Bible, you have to read and comprehend all. Not just be selective about it and use it to make moral judgments against God. Why don't you make judgments against the god of the world and prince of the air? Many sinners have the same exact type of thinking and judgments in order to continue their evil ways.

 

[james bond]

We all have sin

speak for yourself ... the religion of the Almighty - The Triuph of Good vs Evil - speaks differently than what you believe and try to convince others especially the innocent, your favorite victims.

It's not me but God who has said we all have sin and the wages of sin is death. Otherwise, the believers would not die. You're just making arguments up when the Bible has stated as such.

It states God punished humans with death for Adam's sin and punished Eve further by making childbirth painful. Of course, you don't believe it, but like I said you will after you die. This is further evidence of creation.

Why Is Human Childbirth So Painful?

.

It's not me but God who has said we all have sin and the wages of sin is death.

we all have sin ...


Noah was not a sinner and was capable of dying in purity as is the price for Admission to the Everlasting and is the basis and reaffirmation of the Religion of Antiquity, it is your 4th century version that goes to far - your signature:


Jesus answered, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me.


is a forgery as many found throughout your 10000 pg. book, there are no confirmations by the primary participant for a reason, the spoken religion of Antiquity was never in question in the 1st century.

>>BW: Noah was not a sinner and was capable of dying in purity as is the price for Admission to the Everlasting and is the basis and reaffirmation of the Religion of Antiquity<<

See, you make up ridiculous lies to make an argument. It is reductio ad absurdum fallacy.

 

[ding]

I said separation from your genocidal son murdering prick. See the difference when one honestly looks at what I wrote instead of your dishonest take? Thanks for showing how dishonest you are and why I generally ignore you and will again soon.

And I have already explained to you several times that your premise is flawed. God wound up the clock and put existence into motion. God does not pull the strings or control what we do. We are responsible for our actions. It's called free will. Ancient man understood this, why can't you?

Most people like you imagine some Shangri-La heaven and then offer it as real. Again, dishonesty as you have no way of knowing if you will like heaven under a tyrannical prick. You are definitely one of those dishonest people and a liar to boot.

No. That's not what I imagine. I have no idea what it is like nor do I concern myself with it. That's what you are doing. I concern myself with the journey. I concern myself with living in this world. Everything else will take care of itself in due time.

It has been said that people meet their destiny on the path they take to avoid it. So I don't concern myself with my destiny. I concern myself with the journey. You should too. You will be much happier. It will be what it will be. Let it be.

Thus showing that your morals are corrupt. I see you have yet to justify Yahweh's genocide of mankind.

I ignore you last personal garbage that you seem unable to stop from putting.

You are quite the a hole.

I believe you are quite angry and bitter with life. Anyone who needs to go around seeking conflicts and fights is someone who has a conflict and a fight raging within themselves.

It is said that we each have two wolves inside us that are fighting each other; a good wolf and a bad wolf. The wolf you feed is the wolf that wins. Choose wisely. You have free will in making your choice.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It is reductio ad absurdum fallacy.

That's not a fallacy, it is a method of argument. You shouldn't use terms, when you don't know what they mean. You embarrass yourself to do so.

 

[james bond]

Why am I a liar when the Bible shows God is not a murderer? He did not kill innocent peoples

Were the first born of Egypt guilty of something or was it their parents?
Was King David's baby guilty of something or was it the king who screwed around?
Were the children and babies, even in the womb guilty when God sent his flood?

They were murder and you are a liar or really dumb if you do not see it that way.

Regards
DL

>>GI:
Were the first born of Egypt guilty of something or was it their parents?
Was King David's baby guilty of something or was it the king who screwed around?
Were the children and babies, even in the womb guilty when God sent his flood?<<

1. You have to look at context. Exodus 12:29. It was the final punishment for the Pharaoh for his false worship of idols and wickedness.
2. It was to punish David. He, himself, had decreed the punishment to Nathan.
3. Yes, in the eyes of God. We were to start anew.

Basically, you pronounce judgment on God as evil and want to take away his power just because you are a homo or have some other Hollywood values sins that you continue to commit..

 

[james bond]

It is reductio ad absurdum fallacy.

That's not a fallacy, it is a method of argument. You shouldn't use terms, when you don't know what they mean. You embarrass yourself to do so.

Sez the person who uses ad hominem attacks and fallacies as argument. BW's posts are not even an argument, but blabber.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It is reductio ad absurdum fallacy.

That's not a fallacy, it is a method of argument. You shouldn't use terms, when you don't know what they mean. You embarrass yourself to do so.

Sez the person who uses ad hominem attacks and fallacies as argument. BW's posts are not even an argument, but blabber.

That's a nice bit of crybabying.

Nevertheless, you used the term incorrectly and clearly have no idea what it means.

 

[james bond]

It is reductio ad absurdum fallacy.

That's not a fallacy, it is a method of argument. You shouldn't use terms, when you don't know what they mean. You embarrass yourself to do so.

Sez the person who uses ad hominem attacks and fallacies as argument. BW's posts are not even an argument, but blabber.

That's a nice bit of crybabying.

Nevertheless, you used the term incorrectly and clearly have no idea what it means.

Not I, but you who clearly has no idea of either fallacies. Can you even make an argument? Instead of assertions and innuendo.