Is It Moral for Married Couples to do Oral/Anal?

[jillian]

Your irrelevant deflection via personal attack is hereby rejected.

I make a point of NOT using religion as a basis for my arguments. When the question concerns religion, any three years old could figure out that a response concerning religion would be appropriate.

Since this thread concerns morality, there really isn't anything for a liberal to say anyway. We all already know about the "if it feels good do it" mentality and the fact that you don't believe in moral consequence.

Now go find some of your peers in Romper Room to debate with.

lol.. I do so love the "I hate libs", "libs are immoral" school of right wing loony toon thought. It warms the heart.

As for my peers in Romper Room, that's almost funny. I'll have to remember that one.

 

[Gunny]

lol.. I do so love the "I hate libs", "libs are immoral" school of right wing loony toon thought. It warms the heart.

As for my peers in Romper Room, that's almost funny. I'll have to remember that one.

I don't hate libs, and I didn't say that (loser).

 

[manu1959]

lol.. I do so love the "I hate libs", "libs are immoral" school of right wing loony toon thought. It warms the heart.

As for my peers in Romper Room, that's almost funny. I'll have to remember that one.

libs give great oral.....and are the most self rightious group of people i have ever met....as for romper room.....miss nancy was a right winger

 

[jillian]

I don't hate libs, and I didn't say that (loser).

Yeah...it's always fun to have some immoral friends, huh? (loony) lol...

 

[jillian]

libs give great oral.....

just to get us back on topic, huh?

and are the most self rightious group of people i have ever met....

oh... I dunno 'bout that...

as for romper room.....miss nancy was a right winger

Quel horror! And they allowed her to be around children? heh! :fifty:

 

[Redhots]

“To the pure, all things are pure.” (Titus 1:15)

Fisting and God's Will (because I know you're all wondering)
May 30, 2006 new!

The sex act called fisting is a source of confusion and misconceptions for many Christians. This is unfortunate, because it means that many Christian men and women are depriving themselves of what could be the most spiritual sexual experience of their lives. Like anal sex and BDSM, fisting is often mistakenly associated with the gay community or is considered a sex act too extreme to be appropriate for Christian couples. Not only are these views incorrect, but fisting actually has a scriptural precedent, as we will show.

The Fist of Might

Over and over in the scriptures, the hand and fist of God are described as a symbol of His awesome power and the means through which this power manifests: "O God, God of our ancestors, are you not God in heaven above and ruler of all kingdoms below? You hold all power and might in your fist.” (2 Chronicles 20:6) Of course, the Old Testament often makes reference to God smiting his enemies with his fist or striking down the wicked with his hand, but it is also the means through which he administers his blessings and benevolence to the righteous: ”You open Your hand and satisfy the desire of every living thing.” (Psalms 145:16) Through the hand of the Lord, he guides us to do his will, touches our lives, expresses His love, and provides for our needs with His abundance.

The biblical significance of the hand is important, because in the act of fisting, one partner (usually male) inserts his entire hand and fist into the vagina or rectum of his partner. Rather than copulating with his penis, he penetrates her with his fist. Given the powerful symbolism of the fist, it is no surprise that couples who have partaken in the practice of fisting have described it as being a profoundly spiritual experience. On a symbolic and sexual level, a wife who is fisted by her husband has the experience of surrendering completely to the divine love and power of the Lord, as embodied by her partner’s hand. The husband in turn has the experience of touching and caressing her inwardly, in such a deep and intimate manner as God touches our own souls with His grace.

Powerful Yet Gentle

In the Song of Solomon, the Bible describes the act of fisting and the profound erotic bliss it induces: It is the voice of my beloved! He knocks, saying, "Open for me, my sister, my love, My dove, my perfect one”…My love thrust his hand through the opening, and my feelings were stirred for him. (Song of Solomon 5:2-4) Here we see the lover gently coaxing his companion to open up to him, metaphorically “knocking at her door,” preparing her sexually and emotionally to receive his hand inside her. Gradually he works more and more fingers into her, until the moment when her vagina yields and his hand slips fully inside her, thrusting “through the opening.” She then describes the powerful passion that this arouses in her as she envelopes his entire hand inside her body. Many couples describe this moment, as the fist makes full penetration into the vaginal opening, as transcendent and a sexual revelation. As the woman’s body accommodates her husband’s hand, both may experience a sense of physical, sexual, emotional, and spiritual oneness.

Some common misconceptions about fisting are that it is very painful or that it is somehow violent or abusive. This is far from the truth, and as we can see from the above description, it can be a gentle, loving, and highly erotic act. Fisting does not have to be painful if it is performed correctly, using enough lubrication and patience. The hand is inserted in a slow and controlled manner, and is preceded and followed by other sexual stimulation which may lead to orgasm. Both the vagina and the rectum are extremely elastic – a vagina, after all, can stretch to accommodate a full-term baby. And in fact, a woman who has been blessed with motherhood can more easily enjoy fisting because her vaginal opening is more flexible.

The act of fisting is physically challenging to perform, requiring patience on the part of the active partner, and relaxation on the part of the receiving partner. It cannot be rushed, and the two participants must communicate closely, with the fister carefully observing and attending to his partner’s comfort and limits, and the fistee directing her partner as to when to push forward and hold back as he works his hand into her. A Christian couple can use fisting to build trust and intimacy between them, as well as strengthening their relationship with the Lord.

Fisting as an Act of Faith

Before attempting fisting, a Christian husband and wife should pray together and ask for divine guidance. The husband should ask that God guide his hand and work through him, and for the skill and patience to fist his wife correctly and maximize her pleasure. The wife should pray for openness and readiness to receive God’s love and grace in the form of her husband’s hand.

Both should treat the act of fisting as a divine spiritual mystery to be entered into with reverence and awe, especially the husband. In another spiritual interpretation of fisting, as he inserts his hand into his wife’s vagina, a man is symbolically re-enacting the moment of truth following Christ’s resurrection from the tomb, when Doubting Thomas touches the wounds in the Savior’s flesh: Then He said to Thomas, "Put your finger here and observe My hands. Reach out your hand and put it into My side. Don't be an unbeliever, but a believer.” (John 20:27) Thomas’ doubt would not be satisfied until he physically felt the wounds in Christ’s body and penetrated His flesh with his hand. Likewise, the spiritual and sexual power of fisting cannot be known unless experienced physically.

Role Reversal

So far we have only discussed a husband fisting his wife, but some couples may wonder if it is appropriate for a wife to fist her husband if he enjoys anal stimulation. In most cases, a wife indulging her husband’s desire to receive light anal play is not problematic in the context of a healthy sexual relationship. A wife may even anally penetrate her partner with a strap-on dildo if he enjoys this, and if their respective roles as husband and wife are secure outside of the bedroom.

However, because of the intense nature of the act of fisting and the degree of surrender and submission involved in being fisted, a couple should first look deeply into their own hearts and pray for guidance as to whether it is wise for the wife to fist the husband. They should undertake this only if their relationship is such that the husband can assume a submissive and passive role during a sexual act, while afterward still maintaining his role as the spiritual head of the household and leader in the marriage. Our article on Christian BDSM also addresses this issue.

http://www.sexinchrist.com/fist.html

 

[Joz]

Fisting and God's Will

You're kidding, right?

 

[Nienna]

I think he is helping your argument, Joz.

 

[Avatar4321]

Well I guess I stand alone on this moral issue. But I do still stand on the fact that is a distorted sex act.

Even without the moral issue, I can't understand the appeal of having a d*ck shoved up your butt. I'm sorry, but I just don't see it. Nor if I had a d*ck would I especially want to put it there.
What is wrong in putting it where it was designed to go? And is this about the men having their anus penetrated?

I cant disagree with you. why would you want your genitalia covered in crap. its beyond me.

 

[Joz]

I think he is helping your argument, Joz.

Oh.

 

[dmp]

I cant disagree with you. why would you want your genitalia covered in crap. its beyond me.

It's not like the rectum is the holding place for shit - if a woman is clean enough, one's wang doesn't come out 'dirty'. The thing is, never go ATV and CERTAINLY not ATM.

I remember reading a stat saying that 60% of the women polled (not poled ) say they can achieve climax from anal sex. Maybe read that in Maxim?

 

[The ClayTaurus]

I remember reading a stat saying that 60% of the women polled (not poled ) say they can achieve climax from anal sex. Maybe read that in Maxim?

Well then that MUST make it true! :

 

[Joz]

It's not like the rectum is the holding place for shit - if a woman is clean enough, one's wang doesn't come out 'dirty'. The thing is, never go ATV and CERTAINLY not ATM.

I remember reading a stat saying that 60% of the women polled (not poled ) say they can achieve climax from anal sex. Maybe read that in Maxim?

And those women's magazines have a lot to do with what is wrong with women today. Just because it's in print, doesn't make it so.

 

[dmp]

And those women's magazines have a lot to do with what is wrong with women today. Just because it's in print, doesn't make it so.

What's wrong with women? Naw - nobody in that magazine is FORCED to model, lookin' all hot. They are well-compensated

And - just cuz it's in print doesn't mean it's NOT so, too

 

[Joz]

What's wrong with women? Naw - nobody in that magazine is FORCED to model, lookin' all hot. They are well-compensated

And - just cuz it's in print doesn't mean it's NOT so, too

NONE of those women look, in reality, like they do in those photos. Granted, they start out with a little more than the average woman, but after they have people make them up tuck them up, do their hair, pose them.... and redo the pictures any woman could look better.
They sometimes take 50 pictures just to get the hair right.

And do you think those magazines don't slant towards 'liberal' attitudes? They act under the guise of "liberating" the female sex, but do you see where all this liberation has gotten us? Yes, there are rights we now have that we didn't at one time. But women have taken the 'man' out of men.

 

[dmp]

NONE of those women look, in reality, like they do in those photos. Granted, they start out with a little more than the average woman, but after they have people make them up tuck them up, do their hair, pose them.... and redo the pictures any woman could look better.
They sometimes take 50 pictures just to get the hair right.

And how is that hurting women? The women who pose and get made-up or whatever know how their pictures will be 'fixed' - they're all compensated. I think you may be talking about when other women see those pics, and try to 'live-up' to that standard. Perhaps?

And do you think those magazines don't slant towards 'liberal' attitudes? They act under the guise of "liberating" the female sex, but do you see where all this liberation has gotten us? Yes, there are rights we now have that we didn't at one time. But women have taken the 'man' out of men.

And men have stopped being men. Liberal Women today want to abolish masculinity. I agree 100%.

 

[Joz]

And how is that hurting women? The women who pose and get made-up or whatever know how their pictures will be 'fixed' - they're all compensated. I think you may be talking about when other women see those pics, and try to 'live-up' to that standard. Perhaps?

If a woman doesn't have thick hair, a gorgeous smile, manicured nails, long eyelashes, perfect skin, nice boobs & weighs 20 pounds then she can't be worthy of someone's love.

And men drool over these women. When a young man looks for a potential partner, which do you think he wants? That image of perfection he sees in the magazine or the woman he has standing in front of him that loves him dearly but has flabby thighs & little boobs?

I'm not saying that a man should choose someone that doesn't please him visually, but these magazines distort his perception.

 

[The ClayTaurus]

If a woman doesn't have thick hair, a gorgeous smile, manicured nails, long eyelashes, perfect skin, nice boobs & weighs 20 pounds then she can't be worthy of someone's love.

And men drool over these women. When a young man looks for a potential partner, which do you think he wants? That image of perfection he sees in the magazine or the woman he has standing in front of him that loves him dearly but has flabby thighs & little boobs?

I'm not saying that a man should choose someone that doesn't please him visually, but these magazines distort his perception.

It's actually pretty amazing how much they do.

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[Trigg]

It's actually pretty amazing how much they do.


http://homepage.mac.com/gapodaca/digital/bikini/index.html

The way they touched up this photo is just disturbing. Obviously I knew this happend, but geez they changed everything.

As for the moral issue *which I think is still the topic of the thread*, what happens between two consenting adults in a marriage is their business.

 

[jillian]

If a woman doesn't have thick hair, a gorgeous smile, manicured nails, long eyelashes, perfect skin, nice boobs & weighs 20 pounds then she can't be worthy of someone's love.

And men drool over these women. When a young man looks for a potential partner, which do you think he wants? That image of perfection he sees in the magazine or the woman he has standing in front of him that loves him dearly but has flabby thighs & little boobs?

I'm not saying that a man should choose someone that doesn't please him visually, but these magazines distort his perception.

I don't think it hurts anyone/anything for a man to look at some pretty woman in a magazine or on a movie/tv screen if he likes. I mean... I don't mind looking at Hugh Jackman and Eric Bana. And let's face it, most men don't look like Hugh Jackman and Eric Bana. But that's cool.

I know you weren't being specific about magazine names, but I think the women in Stuff, Maxim, Playboy, Penthouse are airbrushed pieces of fluff who everyone knows are airbrused pieces of fluss. Far more dangerous to young girls and women are the skeletal objects who pass for runway models. Now *THAT* is something even an average-looking or homely girl can aspire to.... diet coke and cigarettes all day and you, too, can take control of your body and look like Keira Knightly (who's looking pretty awful these days).