Is it possible that the allegorical account of a great flood is true?

[Fort Fun Indiana]

And every single jew in the 18th century believed took word of the Noah myth as a fact.

You met them all?

No. But I know not a single one of them argued for an older earth, or for evolution, using any actual evidence. Look, you can be just as cute as you like, but you know you agree with me 100%. You religious folks have the luxury of calling your holy texts "allegory", because of the genetic accident of where and when you were born. Namely, in a place and time where science has taught us that all of the magical stuff in the iron aged handbooks is almost certainly madeup, magical nonsense.

 

[fncceo]

And every single jew in the 18th century believed took word of the Noah myth as a fact.

You met them all?

No. But I know not a single one of them argued for an older earth, or for evolution, using any actual evidence. Look, you can be just as cute as you like, but you know you agree with me 100%. You religious folks have the luxury of calling your holy texts "allegory", because of the genetic accident of where and when you were born. Namely, in a place and time where science has taught us that all of the magical stuff in the iron aged handbooks is almost certainly madeup, magical nonsense.

In fact, a recognized exeges movement in Judaism referred to by the acronym PARDES dates back to the 13th Century.

You should make yourself familiar with the writings of Moses de Leon and Baruch Spinoza.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

In fact, a recognized exeges movement in Judaism referred to by the acronym PARDES dates back to the 13th Century.

Could you point me to Spinoza's writings that said the bible myths were all allegory? Or was it just some? Thanks.

regardless, you know my point, no matter how cute you feel like being. People were generally ignorant of all things scientific, and they generally took the bible literally. Until they didn't, thanks generally to scientific knowledge. Pointing out the most brilliant philosophers of a given time had different viewpoints doesn't really make your point. Imagine an archaeologist, assuming we are all experts in quantum mechanics. That would sure be silly.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

What makes you think that the Greenland crater is the only impact site at that time frame?

Probably because scientists have not discovered any other large craters from that time frame.

That's probably because not all of them have been dated yet...

http://labmpg.sscc.ru/impact/index1.html

However looking at the known impacts there were a few between 10-50 thousand years ago.

*****SMILE*****

 

[westwall]

Massive crater under Greenland’s ice points to climate-altering impact in the time of humans

Is it possible that the allegorical account of a great flood, which all ancient cultures have, is true?

Yes, the great flood occurred and cultures worldwide have legends and tales about it.

The reality is during the ice age the coastline was hundreds of feet lower, and when the ice began to melt, the villages along the coastline were inundated so the people had to leave.

Was there a Noah? Maybe, but it doesn't matter. The reality is the oceans rose hundreds of feet so any critter that couldn't travel, died.

 

[ding]

Massive crater under Greenland’s ice points to climate-altering impact in the time of humans

Is it possible that the allegorical account of a great flood, which all ancient cultures have, is true?

Yes, the great flood occurred and cultures worldwide have legends and tales about it.

The reality is during the ice age the coastline was hundreds of feet lower, and when the ice began to melt, the villages along the coastline were inundated so the people had to leave.

Was there a Noah? Maybe, but it doesn't matter. The reality is the oceans rose hundreds of feet so any critter that couldn't travel, died.

I doubt anyone would confuse a sea level rise of 6 to 20 mm per year with a flood.

 

[ding]

Asteroid strikes are global events. If you vaporize 1500 gigatons of ice it will affect the globe.

Neato! But your article -- that you clearly did not really read -- does not say anything about that much water being vaporized.

Sure it did. Where do you believe I got the number from?

 

[ding]

Speaking as someone with deeply held religious beliefs ... no, it's not possible or true.

Like most scripture ... it remains folklore and allegory. Still useful as an object lesson, but not factual or accurate.

The Tower of Babel is the allegorical account of the great migration from the cradle of civilization. An actual historical event.

just as the account of a great flood is the allegorical account of an actually historical event.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

That's probably because not all of them have been dated yet...

http://labmpg.sscc.ru/impact/index1.html

However looking at the known impacts there were a few between 10-50 thousand years ago.

Okay, so there is one leap. Now, the big leap: somehow connecting these possible impacts to a global flood.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Sure it did.

False, as was made clear when I posted the quote from the article that was the source of the number.

Ding, why are you like this?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The reality is during the ice age the coastline was hundreds of feet lower, and when the ice began to melt, the villages along the coastline were inundated so the people had to leave.

That took hundreds of years, at a minimum. It would have been barely perceptible, if at all. Such an event would not have generated such myths.

 

[alang1216]

Where do you believe the water vapor went?

Assuming everything you said about the event actually happened, and the vapor fell as rain, how much do you think it would have raised the global sea level? 1 foot, 100 feet, 10,000 feet? Even if it were 10,000 feet there are large portions of the earth that would not have been submerged.

 

[westwall]

The reality is during the ice age the coastline was hundreds of feet lower, and when the ice began to melt, the villages along the coastline were inundated so the people had to leave.

That took hundreds of years, at a minimum. It would have been barely perceptible, if at all. Such an event would not have generated such myths.

Geologic evidence says otherwise. When the melting began in ernest it was a few decades before significant flooding began.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Geologic evidence says otherwise.

No it doesn't.

Global sea-level rise at the end of the last Ice Age | National Oceanography Centre.

"Global sea level rose by a total of more than 120 metres as the vast ice sheets of the last Ice Age melted back. This melt-back lasted from about 19,000 to about 6,000 years ago, meaning that the average rate of sea-level rise was roughly 1 metre per century."

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

The linestone foundation stones at Baalbek, Lebanon are eroded from being submerged.

Just like the island of Jamaica was mostly underwater.

 

[ReinyDays]

what do believe would happen if the energy of 700 1-megaton nuclear bombs was unleashed in the northern polar region and instantly vaporized 1500 gigatons of ice?

Sea level would drop precipitately, at least a couple kilometers ... atmospheric pressure would rise some ... relative humidity would become undefined with temperatures over 100ºC ... most importantly, climate forcing would go negative, ending the climate change crisis ...

Not sure just 700 megatons of TNT would vaporize that much ice ... maybe the entire 30,000 megaton inventory would ... sunny out today, math is for 'reiny' days ... ha ha ha ...

 

[ReinyDays]

The reality is during the ice age the coastline was hundreds of feet lower, and when the ice began to melt, the villages along the coastline were inundated so the people had to leave.

That took hundreds of years, at a minimum. It would have been barely perceptible, if at all. Such an event would not have generated such myths.

Geologic evidence says otherwise. When the melting began in ernest it was a few decades before significant flooding began.

No offense ... but thawing isn't the mechanism for glacial lake outbursts ... liquid water under high pressure can work its way through the ice ... causing frictional heat which enlarges the microchannels in the ice dam ... eventually the whole ice dam is riddled with tunnels and the whole thing collapses at once ... thus we have Lake Superior volumes of water released in perhaps seconds ...

Any prehistoric man that noted this event would be passing it on to his grandchildren generation after generation ... after 20,000 years in the oral tradition, what do we expect the tale to appear as in the first written records? ... just a thought ...

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The linestone foundation stones at Baalbek, Lebanon are eroded from being submerged.

Just like the island of Jamaica was mostly underwater.

Except the Baalbek stones are only 2000 years old.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

thus we have Lake Superior volumes of water released in perhaps seconds ..

...into the ocean. That would not result in a cataclysmic flood event on land.

 

[ReinyDays]

thus we have Lake Superior volumes of water released in perhaps seconds ..

...into the ocean. That would not result in a cataclysmic flood event on land.

Lake Superior is 1,000 miles from the ocean ... the land I used to own up north had well over ten solid feet of sediment deposits under the foot of pyroclastic material ... that's 500 feet above river level and 120 miles from the Columbia River ... that kind of flood ... the high water mark is still obvious after 16,000 years and a Pliney eruption ...