Is MSNBC Alex Wagner stupid or just racist?

[Lisa558]

Is there any source you'd believe that isn't Israeli?

Well, certainly not a blatant and extreme ANTI-Israel source!

Wall Street Journal is pretty good.

 

[Lisa558]

Please note; defenders of Israel's war crimes, being incapable of justifying the IDF's actions, pretend criticism of the IDF equates to excusing Hamas for its horrific attack on Oct. 7.

Oh FFS. You’re so biased against the Jewish country I give up.

 

[Foxfyre]

No I'm not. I simply pointed out Jews are not alone in being mistreated. Not to excuse the mistreatment, but the fact that it's happening is not surprising given the number of human beings the IDF has killed with indiscriminate bombings.

But you see there has been no indiscriminate bombings by the IDF. The militant Islamic HAMAS is pledged--even has in its manifest--the killing of as many Jews as possible and the eradication of Israel. They have promised many more October 7ths until the Jews are all dead or vanished. After the 10-7-2023 attack, Israel had no choice but to take out HAMAS. They have done their best to minimize civilian collateral damage which HAMAS deliberately tries to create both among the Jews, their target, and their own people for propaganda purposes for people like you to use to further malign the Jews.

For all of its written history, the Jews have been attacked, enslaved, uprooted, denied rights that all others had, been subject to dedicated genocide, etc.

The Muslim history is far different with nowhere near the denial of rights, persecution, genocidal murder that the Jews have endured. Yes Muslims have been subject to persecution and harassment from various groups--often other Muslim groups--from time to time. But their history is nowhere near as horrendous in that regard as is that of the Jews.

 

[berg80]

Well, certainly not a blatant and extreme ANTI-Israel source!

Wall Street Journal is pretty good.

The WSJ is owned by NewsCorp which in turn is owned by the notorious conservative propagandists the Murdoch family. For the sake of discussion let's say the number of people Israel has killed in Gaza is 30K, about 50% of which are women and children, less by 10K than current estimates. Is 30K okay with you?

 

[Independent thinker]

Why would I want to discuss anything with someone as closed minded as yourself?

LOL. MSNBC is about as closed minded as you can get.

 

[berg80]

But you see there has been no indiscriminate bombings by the IDF. The militant Islamic HAMAS is pledged--even has in its manifest--the killing of as many Jews as possible and the eradication of Israel. They have promised many more October 7ths until the Jews are all dead or vanished. After the 10-7-2023 attack, Israel had no choice but to take out HAMAS.

That's a sad, pathetic rationalization for Israel's indiscriminate bombing. Was retaliation for Oct. 7 justified? Yes. Is the slaughter of people on this scale justified? No.
Hamas can pledge whatever it wants to pledge. They are incapable of eradicating Israel. All the Israelis are doing, I suppose I should be accurate and say all Netanyahu is doing, is insuring another generation of Muslims will hate Israel. While doing all he can to stay in power. Up to and including provoking war if that is what it takes to avoid the wrath of Israelis who want him gone.

 

[Foxfyre]

That's a sad, pathetic rationalization for Israel's indiscriminate bombing. Was retaliation for Oct. 7 justified? Yes. Is the slaughter of people on this scale justified? No.
Hamas can pledge whatever it wants to pledge. They are incapable of eradicating Israel. All the Israelis are doing, I suppose I should be accurate and say all Netanyahu is doing, is insuring another generation of Muslims will hate Israel. While doing all he can to stay in power. Up to and including provoking war if that is what it takes to avoid the wrath of Israelis who want him gone.

You still didn't sign up for that remedial reading comprehension course I recommended did you. This might receive my daily award for the most non sequitur post of the day. We'll see how it goes.

Have a pleasant day.

 

[Sayaras]

According the the UN, about 40K Palestinians have been killed by the IDF in Gaza. The vast majority are civilians including women and children.

The *U*nited *N*othing.. occupied by the Uslamic lobby the OIC?

Whereas Hamas admitted 80% are Hamas or its families

Some 80% of Gaza fatalities are Hamas or family members - JNS.org

Israel has estimated that 17,000 combatants have been killed in the Gaza Strip since Oct. 7, 2023.

www.jns.org

 

[Sayaras]

The WSJ is owned by NewsCorp..

So what?

 

[Sayaras]

Han

Is there any source you'd believe that isn't Israeli?

Hamas islamofascist admission?

Some 80% of Gaza fatalities are Hamas or family members - JNS.org

Israel has estimated that 17,000 combatants have been killed in the Gaza Strip since Oct. 7, 2023.

www.jns.org

 

[Sayaras]

All those that talk about supposed 'crimes' by the defenders against genocidal islamofascists using its civilians to cause their death.

Why does it take more than a year to root out Gaza DEATH Ministry and not just carpet them all if Israel is really that bad?

 

[Sayaras]

That's a sad, pathetic rationalization for Israel's indiscriminate ..

Indiscriminately? After all those phone calls and texts amd fliers by the cool IDF to evacuate? Where is your stand against the "Palestine" regime using its people?

 

[Sayaras]

If it's MSNBC, the answer is "both stupid and racist."

Islamists: Ali Velshi , Mehdi Hasan are top VILE UGJY racists there. Good that Mehdi is gone.

 

[Lisa558]

The WSJ is owned by NewsCorp which in turn is owned by the notorious conservative propagandists the Murdoch family. For the sake of discussion let's say the number of people Israel has killed in Gaza is 30K, about 50% of which are women and children, less by 10K than current estimates. Is 30K okay with you?

Are you deaf? Fully 80% of those killed are HAMAS or their relatives. Amazing show of restraint by Israel after what the Muslim savages did.

 

[Pastelli]

The Kibbutzim were leftist, peacenicks who helped Gazans, carried Fazabs to hospitals and have advocated for a two state.

The Arab "palestinian" employees were treated with respect and these Gazans spied on the Jews and helped the mass rape mass kidnapping and burning people alive.

Remember also the victim who also shouted "I'm your friend"...amd they shot her.

---

Population stats for Arab "Palestinians":

1993 - 2.2 million

2003 - 3 million

2013 - 4 million

2023 - 5.4 million​

VS

GRAP - Genocidal radical Racist Arab-Palestinian
(Israel VS Genocide - since 1920 - written in 2010)

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7,000 Gazans Took Part in Oct. 7 Attacks, New IDF Data Shows Some 7,000 Gazans participated in the Hamas-led Oct. 7 assault on southern Israel....

some 3,800 terrorists from the Hamas terror group’s elite Nukhba forces who led the invasion, followed by 2,200 “terrorists and looters from Gaza.” Around 1,000 other terrorists participated in the attack from within the Gaza Strip, firing some 4,300 rockets and assisting the forces that crossed into Israeli territory... Some 1,200 people were murdered in the Oct. 7 attack. Thousands more wounded and 251 were kidnapped to Gaza, (of whom per 9.2.24 -) 101 remain in captivity.

---

Their bodies tell their stories. They’re not alive to speak for themselves.
NBC News has reviewed evidence that suggests dozens of Israeli women were raped, sexually abused or mutilated during the Oct. 7 Hamas terror attacks.

Evidence suggests dozens of Israeli women were raped or mutilated by Hamas

NBC News has reviewed evidence that suggests dozens of Israeli women were raped, sexually abused or mutilated during the Oct. 7 Hamas terror attacks.

www.nbcnews.com

Hamas terrorists had ‘a thing with sexual organs’ and targeted genitalia of Israeli victims: UN testimony
By Yaron Steinbuch, Dec. 5, 2023.

https://nypost.com/2023/12/05/news/...ed-genitalia-of-israeli-victims-un-testimony/

Oct 7: sexual violence


Misc.:

• Hamas Charter genocide
• (Racist dehumamizatoon Apes and pigs
• 93% Palestinians antisemitic
  
  
• Khaybar genocide palestine (radical Islamist fascist).
  
  
• (Racist-Arab vile culture of celebrating massacres) Palestinians celebrate terror .
  
  
• UNRWA Hitler hate
  
  
• Swastika palestine hate

Three in four Palestinians support Hamas’s massacre - JNS.org

Ninety-eight percent of respondents said the Oct. 7 slaughter made them feel "prouder of their identity as Palestinians."

www.jns.org

What is massive Arab racism pro bloody savagery?
Most Arab "Palestinians" support Oct 7 atrocities. (June 2024 poll).

Most Palestinians Support October 7 Attack, Dissatisfied With Abbas and Fatah

More than two-thirds of Palestinians support Hamas’s decision to launch its killing spree in southern Israel on October 7, according to a Palestinian poll released on June 12....

www.fdd.org

__

White House rejects ‘Genocide Joe’ taunt, says Hamas wants to wipe out Jews

Spokesman John Kirby said that Israel “is not trying to wipe the Palestinian people off the map.”

nypost.com

_______

Meme:

_______

GOOGLING...


Palestinian use human shields​

Hamas Leader Ismail Haniyeh, from the comfort of his home in Qatar: "We need the blood of women, children, and the elderly of Gaza..."

Hamas leader: We need the blood of women, children and the elderly of Gaza - JNS.org

Ismail Haniyeh calls for "free people of the world" to stop "new Holocaust" in the Gaza Strip.

www.jns.org

_______


June 2024:
Israel Has Killed 17,000 Terrorists in Gaza Since Start of War, IDF Says.

Israel Has Killed 17,000 Terrorists in Gaza Since Start of War, IDF Says - Algemeiner.com

The Israeli military has killed 17,000 terrorists in Gaza since the beginning of the war against Hamas on Oct. 7, according to the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). "IDF forces continue to fight in Gaza — in Rafah, Khan Yunis, the central Strip, and are attacking everywhere," IDF Spokesman Rear Adm...

www.algemeiner.com

More than half of those killed in Gaza are Hamas terrorists.
The Gaza ministry of health has not directly counted 31,000 dead. Their own documentation says that they directly counted some 17,000 in their hospitals, and (as of March 4) over 13,000 from "trusted media sources."



And Hamas admitted Oct 2024 that:


Some 80% of Gaza fatalities are Hamas or family members.
Israel has estimated that 17,000 combatants have been killed in the Gaza Strip since Oct. 7, 2023.
JNS Staff.

(Oct. 7, 2024 / JNS)
Hamas is privately admitting that 80% of the Palestinians killed during the year-long war in Gaza are Hamas members or their families, Israel’s Channel 12 reported on Sunday.

The report comes as most of the international media continue to use unverified Hamas casualty figures, which do not differentiate between combatants and civilians and which statisticians have previously called into question.

According to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry, more than ... Palestinians have been killed in the war, which was sparked by the terrorist group’s Oct. 7 massacre one year ago today.

Israel has previously estimated that 17,000 combatants have been killed in Gaza.

A report issued by the United Nations last month using the unverified Gaza Health Ministry data concluded that 51.3% of the total fatalities in Gaza were women and children.

Earlier this year, a statistics expert said the Hamas claim that 70% of the casualties were women and children was “statistically impossible” and “not reliable at all.”

Some 80% of Gaza fatalities are Hamas or family members - JNS.org

Israel has estimated that 17,000 combatants have been killed in the Gaza Strip since Oct. 7, 2023.

www.jns.org

Hamas' women are just as guilty!

And Hamas "health" Ministry numbers are not to be trusted.

First, even the UN itself, which initially accepted the false Hamas data, had to publish a clarification 1 that the number of women and children among those killed in Gaza was not "a majority", but about a third.


Secondly, a statistical study by an expert from the University of Pennsylvania published in the magazine 'Tablet' 2 found that the claim about the majority of women and children among the dead cannot be true and it appears that the ratio between a dead gunman and a dead gunman is in the region of 1:1, and this was by no means the only study that cast great doubt the reliability of the Palestinian reports on the number of women and children among the dead.


Thirdly, the American research institute "Washington Institute" 3, also stated that the information published by the Hamas authorities should not be trusted - it lacks credibility, and seems to be deliberately distorted to create an image of an indiscriminate massacre of the civilian population, in the study Under the title: "Gaza casualty figures have become completely unreliable."


Fourth, another and interesting analysis of the casualty data in Gaza was carried out by the data analyst Mark Zlochin and published in the British 'Telegraph' 4. This study examined the data provided by the UN about 150 UNRWA workers who were killed in the war


The most striking figure is that 62% of the UNRWA workers who were killed are men. This is despite the fact that men make up only 41% of all the agency's workers in Gaza. In fact, the chance of a man working for UNRWA being killed by the IDF is more than double the chance of a woman. It seems that indeed many UNRWA workers fought in the ranks of Hamas (and thus had a higher chance of being killed). In addition, this is further proof that the figures of the Hamas Ministry of Health (according to which women have a similar chance of being killed by the IDF) are not reliable.


In addition, Zlochin found that there is an almost perfect match between the data of the UN workers (the women) who were killed and the hospital casualty records, which allows him to estimate for himself how many Gazans have been killed since the outbreak of the war: about 18,000 (compared to Hamas's claim of 32,000 dead).


And there was also the AP news agency, which determined that the number of women and children among the dead dropped below 40%. 5


Fifth: Oh and the "10,000" missing?

Not one person found under the rubble in Gaza for four months - there are still exactly 10,000 missing (if you believe Hamas, which the UN does).
One of the many bogus statistics we've been following from Gaza is the number of missing people buried under rubble.

As we've noted, between November and May, Hamas regularly reported - and the UN regularly repeated - 7,000 missing people under the rubble in Gaza. Then, sddenly, on May 3, that number jumped to 10,000 people missing.

Does anyone have the names of these missing people? Do we know what methodology was used to estimate their numbers?

Of course not. Because Hamas made them all up. And that's good enough for the UN.

Right now, the number of supposedly missing people has remained steady at exactly 10,000 for four months. The UN keeps publishing that number, crediting the Gaza Government Media Office, which is Hamas.

So not one person has been discovered under the rubble since May? Or maybe some have been discovered, but are equaled out with the number newly buried?

The number is fiction, like all of Hamas numbers. But NGOs and the UN need to publish the highest, most absurd numbers because that gives the sense of urgency that they demand for their anti-Israel political purposes.
Not one person found under the rubble in Gaza for four months - there are still exactly 10,000 missing (if you believe Hamas, which the UN does)

_________


Palestinianism "export..."


Islamic Fascist Republic of Iran's Hezbollah copy "palestinian" actics:


IDF: 90% of Hezbollah rockets, drones fired from civilian areas.

IDF: 90% of Hezbollah rockets, drones fired from civilian areas - JNS.org

Hundreds of launch sites from the attack early Sunday were positioned near mosques, schools, gas stations and U.N. structures.

www.jns.org

 

[Pastelli]

Hin

Ah yes, the interminable claim of bias. Does it make you feel better to think it's only 38K human beings that were slaughtered rather than 40K?

human shields you mean?

 

[Pastelli]

FYI Israelis are one of the most self criticized societies.

Find me some real vast peacenicks on the genocidal racist Arab "palestine" side...

Or even a serious group critic of "moderate" holocaust denier Fascist Mahmoud Abbas ...

 

[Lisa558]

The Kibbutzim were leftist, peacenicks who helped Gazans, carried Fazabs to hospitals and have advocated for a two state.

The Arab "palestinian" employees were treated with respect and these Gazans spied on the Jews and helped the mass rape mass kidnapping and burning people alive.

Remember also the victim who also shouted "I'm your friend"...amd they shot her.

---

Population stats for Arab "Palestinians":

1993 - 2.2 million

2003 - 3 million

2013 - 4 million

2023 - 5.4 million​

VS

GRAP - Genocidal radical Racist Arab-Palestinian
(Israel VS Genocide - since 1920 - written in 2010)

---

7,000 Gazans Took Part in Oct. 7 Attacks, New IDF Data Shows Some 7,000 Gazans participated in the Hamas-led Oct. 7 assault on southern Israel....

some 3,800 terrorists from the Hamas terror group’s elite Nukhba forces who led the invasion, followed by 2,200 “terrorists and looters from Gaza.” Around 1,000 other terrorists participated in the attack from within the Gaza Strip, firing some 4,300 rockets and assisting the forces that crossed into Israeli territory... Some 1,200 people were murdered in the Oct. 7 attack. Thousands more wounded and 251 were kidnapped to Gaza, (of whom per 9.2.24 -) 101 remain in captivity.

---

Their bodies tell their stories. They’re not alive to speak for themselves.
NBC News has reviewed evidence that suggests dozens of Israeli women were raped, sexually abused or mutilated during the Oct. 7 Hamas terror attacks.

Evidence suggests dozens of Israeli women were raped or mutilated by Hamas

NBC News has reviewed evidence that suggests dozens of Israeli women were raped, sexually abused or mutilated during the Oct. 7 Hamas terror attacks.

www.nbcnews.com

Hamas terrorists had ‘a thing with sexual organs’ and targeted genitalia of Israeli victims: UN testimony
By Yaron Steinbuch, Dec. 5, 2023.

https://nypost.com/2023/12/05/news/...ed-genitalia-of-israeli-victims-un-testimony/

Oct 7: sexual violence


Misc.:

• Hamas Charter genocide
• (Racist dehumamizatoon Apes and pigs
• 93% Palestinians antisemitic
  
  
• Khaybar genocide palestine (radical Islamist fascist).
  
  
• (Racist-Arab vile culture of celebrating massacres) Palestinians celebrate terror .
  
  
• UNRWA Hitler hate
  
  
• Swastika palestine hate

Three in four Palestinians support Hamas’s massacre - JNS.org

Ninety-eight percent of respondents said the Oct. 7 slaughter made them feel "prouder of their identity as Palestinians."

www.jns.org

What is massive Arab racism pro bloody savagery?
Most Arab "Palestinians" support Oct 7 atrocities. (June 2024 poll).

Most Palestinians Support October 7 Attack, Dissatisfied With Abbas and Fatah

More than two-thirds of Palestinians support Hamas’s decision to launch its killing spree in southern Israel on October 7, according to a Palestinian poll released on June 12....

www.fdd.org

__

White House rejects ‘Genocide Joe’ taunt, says Hamas wants to wipe out Jews

Spokesman John Kirby said that Israel “is not trying to wipe the Palestinian people off the map.”

nypost.com

_______

Meme:

_______

GOOGLING...


Palestinian use human shields​

Hamas Leader Ismail Haniyeh, from the comfort of his home in Qatar: "We need the blood of women, children, and the elderly of Gaza..."

Hamas leader: We need the blood of women, children and the elderly of Gaza - JNS.org

Ismail Haniyeh calls for "free people of the world" to stop "new Holocaust" in the Gaza Strip.

www.jns.org

_______


June 2024:
Israel Has Killed 17,000 Terrorists in Gaza Since Start of War, IDF Says.

Israel Has Killed 17,000 Terrorists in Gaza Since Start of War, IDF Says - Algemeiner.com

The Israeli military has killed 17,000 terrorists in Gaza since the beginning of the war against Hamas on Oct. 7, according to the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). "IDF forces continue to fight in Gaza — in Rafah, Khan Yunis, the central Strip, and are attacking everywhere," IDF Spokesman Rear Adm...

www.algemeiner.com

More than half of those killed in Gaza are Hamas terrorists.
The Gaza ministry of health has not directly counted 31,000 dead. Their own documentation says that they directly counted some 17,000 in their hospitals, and (as of March 4) over 13,000 from "trusted media sources."



And Hamas admitted Oct 2024 that:


Some 80% of Gaza fatalities are Hamas or family members.
Israel has estimated that 17,000 combatants have been killed in the Gaza Strip since Oct. 7, 2023.
JNS Staff.

(Oct. 7, 2024 / JNS)
Hamas is privately admitting that 80% of the Palestinians killed during the year-long war in Gaza are Hamas members or their families, Israel’s Channel 12 reported on Sunday.

The report comes as most of the international media continue to use unverified Hamas casualty figures, which do not differentiate between combatants and civilians and which statisticians have previously called into question.

According to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry, more than ... Palestinians have been killed in the war, which was sparked by the terrorist group’s Oct. 7 massacre one year ago today.

Israel has previously estimated that 17,000 combatants have been killed in Gaza.

A report issued by the United Nations last month using the unverified Gaza Health Ministry data concluded that 51.3% of the total fatalities in Gaza were women and children.

Earlier this year, a statistics expert said the Hamas claim that 70% of the casualties were women and children was “statistically impossible” and “not reliable at all.”

Some 80% of Gaza fatalities are Hamas or family members - JNS.org

Israel has estimated that 17,000 combatants have been killed in the Gaza Strip since Oct. 7, 2023.

www.jns.org

Hamas' women are just as guilty!

And Hamas "health" Ministry numbers are not to be trusted.

First, even the UN itself, which initially accepted the false Hamas data, had to publish a clarification 1 that the number of women and children among those killed in Gaza was not "a majority", but about a third.


Secondly, a statistical study by an expert from the University of Pennsylvania published in the magazine 'Tablet' 2 found that the claim about the majority of women and children among the dead cannot be true and it appears that the ratio between a dead gunman and a dead gunman is in the region of 1:1, and this was by no means the only study that cast great doubt the reliability of the Palestinian reports on the number of women and children among the dead.


Thirdly, the American research institute "Washington Institute" 3, also stated that the information published by the Hamas authorities should not be trusted - it lacks credibility, and seems to be deliberately distorted to create an image of an indiscriminate massacre of the civilian population, in the study Under the title: "Gaza casualty figures have become completely unreliable."


Fourth, another and interesting analysis of the casualty data in Gaza was carried out by the data analyst Mark Zlochin and published in the British 'Telegraph' 4. This study examined the data provided by the UN about 150 UNRWA workers who were killed in the war


The most striking figure is that 62% of the UNRWA workers who were killed are men. This is despite the fact that men make up only 41% of all the agency's workers in Gaza. In fact, the chance of a man working for UNRWA being killed by the IDF is more than double the chance of a woman. It seems that indeed many UNRWA workers fought in the ranks of Hamas (and thus had a higher chance of being killed). In addition, this is further proof that the figures of the Hamas Ministry of Health (according to which women have a similar chance of being killed by the IDF) are not reliable.


In addition, Zlochin found that there is an almost perfect match between the data of the UN workers (the women) who were killed and the hospital casualty records, which allows him to estimate for himself how many Gazans have been killed since the outbreak of the war: about 18,000 (compared to Hamas's claim of 32,000 dead).


And there was also the AP news agency, which determined that the number of women and children among the dead dropped below 40%. 5


Fifth: Oh and the "10,000" missing?

Not one person found under the rubble in Gaza for four months - there are still exactly 10,000 missing (if you believe Hamas, which the UN does).
One of the many bogus statistics we've been following from Gaza is the number of missing people buried under rubble.

As we've noted, between November and May, Hamas regularly reported - and the UN regularly repeated - 7,000 missing people under the rubble in Gaza. Then, sddenly, on May 3, that number jumped to 10,000 people missing.

Does anyone have the names of these missing people? Do we know what methodology was used to estimate their numbers?

Of course not. Because Hamas made them all up. And that's good enough for the UN.

Right now, the number of supposedly missing people has remained steady at exactly 10,000 for four months. The UN keeps publishing that number, crediting the Gaza Government Media Office, which is Hamas.

So not one person has been discovered under the rubble since May? Or maybe some have been discovered, but are equaled out with the number newly buried?

The number is fiction, like all of Hamas numbers. But NGOs and the UN need to publish the highest, most absurd numbers because that gives the sense of urgency that they demand for their anti-Israel political purposes.
Not one person found under the rubble in Gaza for four months - there are still exactly 10,000 missing (if you believe Hamas, which the UN does)

_________


Palestinianism "export..."


Islamic Fascist Republic of Iran's Hezbollah copy "palestinian" actics:


IDF: 90% of Hezbollah rockets, drones fired from civilian areas.

IDF: 90% of Hezbollah rockets, drones fired from civilian areas - JNS.org

Hundreds of launch sites from the attack early Sunday were positioned near mosques, schools, gas stations and U.N. structures.

www.jns.org

Thanks for all your information.

 

[Lisa558]

Hin


human shields you mean?

Yes, and let’s do some math and see what the anti-Israel brainwashed Berg has to say:

• 30,000 dead, with 80% HAMAS or the relatives
• That leaves 6,000 civilians unrelated to HAMAS
• Even so, 75% of these “innocent” civilians supported the barbaric, savage, subhuman torture and murder of Jews
• That leaves 1,500 truly good Palestinians who lost their lives, many of whom were used as HAMAS body shields

So….2 million Gazans, and 1500 truly innocents killed. That is LESS than 1/10th of 1%.

Translation: Thanks to Israel’s restrain, 99.9% of innocent Palestinians remain alive.

 

[Sayaras]

Here's a thought. ..

This stupid hateful "author" believes the lie of "indigenoues " while most Arab Palestinians are actually grandchildren of Arab immigrants.