Is Obama retarded or lying?

[francoHFW]

This is STILL the Debt Ceiling Raise idiocy- absolutely unbelievable. Pay the bills and stop screwing up the recovery.

 

[Redfish]

This is STILL the Debt Ceiling Raise idiocy- absolutely unbelievable. Pay the bills and stop screwing up the recovery.

OK, you say "pay the bills". How do you do that when the bills exceed your income?

We are borrowing 46 cents of every dollar spent by the govt. The national debt is growing by a trillion every year.

Do you think that can go on forever?

You say, "just tax the rich". sorry, there are not enough rich in the entire world to pay off our debt.

The only thing that will work is to cut govt spending and not spend more than govt revenue.

anything else is fiscal lunacy.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

The blame lies with whomever voted for it.

But, instead of playing the blame game, how about the congress get off their buts and actually do some WORK?

Sounds like ludnut knows the truth about who proposed this mess and is trying to divert attention.

 

[percysunshine]

...Pay the bills and stop screwing up the recovery.

Holy cow...Rush Limbaugh posts here.

Now we know who francos army is.

 

[Redbone]

This is STILL the Debt Ceiling Raise idiocy- absolutely unbelievable. Pay the bills and stop screwing up the recovery.

That is the same jacked up logic, same play the overspending wife uses when she has went on a shopping spree and spent 4 months income in a single day all charged on the family credit card. When confronted by the angry husband she stupidly says, too bad , just pay it we owe it.
You aren't in charge of your family shopping are you?

 

[editec]

Honest to GOD, this board's RIGHT WINGERS have got to be EITHER the most misinformed people on the face of the earth OR THE MOST BRAZEN TROLLS ON LINE

EVERY SPONSOR AND CO-SPONSOR OF THE BILL LEADING TO SEQUESTRATION IS A REPUBLICAN

Incorrect.

I do NOT place the blame WHOLLY on Obama.

I just don't accept silently Obama's deliberate lie that the blame is with Boehner and the GOP.

To the extent that the idea CAME from team Obama (as per Obama's own press secretary, lest we forget), then it is rational to recognize that Obama gets MORE of the blame.

It makes it damn sordid of him to be trying to pass that buck at this stage. So, fuck that inept bumbling buffoon. Let the sequester happen.

The sequester came from team GOP, they had been pushing it since May 2011 in the debt ceiling fiasco.

Bill Text - 112th Congress (2011-2012) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

Returning to Responsible Fiscal Policies Act

SEC. 253A. ENFORCING GDP OUTLAY LIMITS.

`(a) Enforcing GDP Outlay Limits- In this section, the term `GDP outlay limit' means an amount, as estimated by OMB, equal to--
`(1) the average GDP for the first 5 of the 6 fiscal years preceding the target fiscal year; multiplied by
`(2) 23 percent for fiscal year 2012; 22 percent for fiscal year 2013; 21 percent for fiscal year 2014; 19.5 percent for fiscal year 2015; and 18 percent for fiscal year 2016 and each subsequent fiscal year.
`(b) GDP Outlay Limit and Outlays-
`(1) DETERMINING THE GDP OUTLAY LIMIT- The Office of Management and Budget shall estimate the GDP outlay limit for the target fiscal year at the outset of the previous fiscal year, on April 30, on August 20, and 15 days after the conclusion of the fiscal year. CBO shall provide advisory reports calculating the GDP outlay limit at identical times.
`(2) TOTAL FEDERAL OUTLAYS- In this section, total Federal outlays shall include all on-budget and off-budget outlays.
`(c) Sequestration-
`(1) IN GENERAL-
`(A) EXCESS SPENDING- Not later than 45 calendar days after the beginning of a fiscal year, OMB shall conduct a sequestration to eliminate the excess outlay amount.

EXCEPT, pointing to the legislation does NOT establish that the idea came from the GOP.

Since Carney acknowledged just over a week ago that the idea came from the Obama team, it would appear to be the case that the Executive Branch planted the seed, the dimwit Legislative Branch majority in the House went along with it and helped to pass it and THEN the President signed it.

I realize you liberals HATE to face facts like this, but President Obama does not get to pass the buck on his own stupid idea.

Shame on the GOP for going along with it. But shame on the President for his role in creating it and even more shame for trying to now disown his own handiwork.

H.R.2041
Latest Title: Returning to Responsible Fiscal Policies Act
Sponsor: Rep Kingston, Jack REPUBLICAN[GA-1] (introduced 5/26/2011) Cosponsors (14)
Related Bills: H.R.1605, S.245

Latest Major Action: 5/26/2011 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the Committee on the Budget, and in addition to the Committee on Rules, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned.
COSPONSORS(14), ALPHABETICAL [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]: (Sort: by date)

Rep Bartlett, Roscoe G. Republican [MD-6] - 7/6/2011

Rep Chaffetz, Jason [UT-3] Republican- 7/6/2011

Rep Duncan, Jeff Republican[SC-3] - 7/6/2011

Rep Flake, Jeff [AZ-6] Republican - 5/26/2011

Rep Franks, Trent [AZ-2] Republican[/B - 7/6/2011

Rep Gingrey, Phil [GA-11] Republican - 7/6/2011

Rep Graves, Tom [GA-9] Republican- 5/26/2011

Rep Guinta, Frank C. [NH-1] Republican- 7/6/2011

Rep Jordan, Jim [OH-4] Republican - 5/26/2011

Rep Long, Billy [MO-7] Republican - 7/6/2011

Rep McHenry, Patrick T. [NC-10] Republican- 7/6/2011

Rep Pompeo, Mike [KS-4] - Republican 12/13/2011

Rep Rooney, Thomas J. [FL-16] Republican- 7/6/2011

Rep Westmoreland, Lynn A. [GA-3] Republican- 7/6/2011

I encourage those of you who have been whining like crybabies about how this is all Obama's fault to take the time to apologise to every person on this board for either being complete misinformed KNOW NOTHINGS or gigantic lying trolls.

But it is clear to anyone interested in reality that you folks are either one or the other.

You guys are either stupid as the day is long or compulsive liars.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

It was S.365, the BUDGET CONTROL ACT OF 2011, that created (at least officially) the Sequester.

Now, the roots of the Sequester came from somewhere else (as I have argued in another thread).

But if the Democrats were playing politics at the time, by refusing to have their names attached to the idea that the President came up with, that does not mean that it was simply a GOP notion.

You should give that honesty thing you spout a chance yourself, editec.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Latest Major Action: 5/26/2011 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the Committee on the Budget, and in addition to the Committee on Rules, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned.ALL ACTIONS:

5/26/2011:
Referred to the Committee on the Budget, and in addition to the Committee on Rules, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned.
5/26/2011:
Referred to House Budget
5/26/2011:
Referred to House Rules

Bill Summary & Status - 112th Congress (2011 - 2012) - H.R.2041 - All Congressional Actions - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

 

[Wry Catcher]

blaming your partys inability to construct anything positive for the nation on someone else is stupid

sorry TM but its your party and your messiah that have been unable to construct anything positive for the nation. The GOP controlled house has passed several budget bills, but the Dem asshole Reid has not let a single one come to the floor of the senate for discussion or a vote-----why is that? is he afraid one might pass?

Obama proposed the sequester---its his deal-- it was his idea. Now he is lying to you about who did it and the affect it would have if allowed to happen.

Worst president in history is not strong enough to describe this traitorus bastard the is destroying our children's future------and he is doing it on purpose.

If you believe what you wrote you're stupid; if not you're a partisan hack. Likely both.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Obama insisted on the sequester, he rejected every other Republican proposal to deal with the problem as any normally developed adult would

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Obama insisted on Sequester, now he's running against it; is he lying or retarded?

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Well, look. the President's team put forward the idea. And now that it is a sucky idea, they try to pass the buck to the GOP for that sucky idea which they, not the GOP, put forward.

Check.

It is fair to say that each side gets some of the blame for it. But what is not fair is for the President whose team put forward the idea to point his fingers at Boehner and the GOP.

If the President had integrity he would say simply, 'we mutually came up with this idea and enacted it. Now, just as the idea was designed to be unpalatable, it is up to both sides to do the things that have to be done to avoid the consequences of what we mutually crafted.'

But this President has no notion of integrity in the context of governance.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Meanwhile, I hope it goes into effect.

It is an almost meaningless DROP in the damn bucket. But it is still a start.

 

[Samson]

Obama never intended for sequestration to actually happen. It was supposed to be a tool that would ensure congresses cooperation.

But I suspect you knew that

Unintended consequences were not anticipated?!




You're Kidding, Right?


I mean, we're talking about a liberal Democrat here.

 

[edthecynic]

Well, look. the President's team put forward the idea. And now that it is a sucky idea, they try to pass the buck to the GOP for that sucky idea which they, not the GOP, put forward.

Check.

It is fair to say that each side gets some of the blame for it. But what is not fair is for the President whose team put forward the idea to point his fingers at Boehner and the GOP.

If the President had integrity he would say simply, 'we mutually came up with this idea and enacted it. Now, just as the idea was designed to be unpalatable, it is up to both sides to do the things that have to be done to avoid the consequences of what we mutually crafted.'

But this President has no notion of integrity in the context of governance.

Look whose talking about integrity, someone who still parrots the GOP lie that the sequester came from Obama even after you were shown the idea on Boner's own website before the White House was claimed to have brought it up!!!

Below is Boner's sequester and the sequester that passed. They are the same.
Boner and the GOP own the sequester!

Two-Step Approach to Hold President Obama Accountable | Speaker.gov

CAPS TO CONTROL FUTURE SPENDING

The framework imposes spending caps that would establish clear limits on future spending and serve as a barrier against government expansion while the economy grows. Failure to remain below these caps will trigger automatic across-the-board cuts (otherwise known as sequestration). This is the same mechanism used in the 1997 Balanced Budget Agreement.
John Boehner, July 25, 2011

Bill Summary & Status - 112th Congress (2011 - 2012) - S.365 - CRS Summary - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

Budget Control Act of 2011 - Title I: Ten-Year Discretionary Caps with Sequester - (Sec. 101) Amends the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985 (Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Act) to revise sequestration requirements for enforcement of discretionary spending limits (spending caps).

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Well, look. the President's team put forward the idea. And now that it is a sucky idea, they try to pass the buck to the GOP for that sucky idea which they, not the GOP, put forward.

Check.

It is fair to say that each side gets some of the blame for it. But what is not fair is for the President whose team put forward the idea to point his fingers at Boehner and the GOP.

If the President had integrity he would say simply, 'we mutually came up with this idea and enacted it. Now, just as the idea was designed to be unpalatable, it is up to both sides to do the things that have to be done to avoid the consequences of what we mutually crafted.'

But this President has no notion of integrity in the context of governance.

Look whose talking about integrity, someone who still parrots the GOP lie that the sequester came from Obama even after you were shown the idea on Boner's own website before the White House was claimed to have brought it up!!!

Below is Boner's sequester and the sequester that passed. They are the same.
Boner and the GOP own the sequester!

Two-Step Approach to Hold President Obama Accountable | Speaker.gov

CAPS TO CONTROL FUTURE SPENDING

The framework imposes spending caps that would establish clear limits on future spending and serve as a barrier against government expansion while the economy grows. Failure to remain below these caps will trigger automatic across-the-board cuts (otherwise known as sequestration). This is the same mechanism used in the 1997 Balanced Budget Agreement.
John Boehner, July 25, 2011

Bill Summary & Status - 112th Congress (2011 - 2012) - S.365 - CRS Summary - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

Budget Control Act of 2011 - Title I: Ten-Year Discretionary Caps with Sequester - (Sec. 101) Amends the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985 (Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Act) to revise sequestration requirements for enforcement of discretionary spending limits (spending caps).

Again, a lecture on integrity from you is laughable.

The President through his spokes idiots has even acknowledged that his team came up with the idea. It was just a spin on a prior notion of "sequestration."

If the President can admit it, you should be able to admit it too.

Unlike you, however, I don't pretend that the idea is solely one side's or the other's. Team Obama may have come up with the notion, but the GOP is still more than knee deep in the mire.

But there's zero hope for you since you cannot even admit as much as the President has admitted.

Do you actually hope to go down on the guy?

 

[edthecynic]

Well, look. the President's team put forward the idea. And now that it is a sucky idea, they try to pass the buck to the GOP for that sucky idea which they, not the GOP, put forward.

Check.

It is fair to say that each side gets some of the blame for it. But what is not fair is for the President whose team put forward the idea to point his fingers at Boehner and the GOP.

If the President had integrity he would say simply, 'we mutually came up with this idea and enacted it. Now, just as the idea was designed to be unpalatable, it is up to both sides to do the things that have to be done to avoid the consequences of what we mutually crafted.'

But this President has no notion of integrity in the context of governance.

Look whose talking about integrity, someone who still parrots the GOP lie that the sequester came from Obama even after you were shown the idea on Boner's own website before the White House was claimed to have brought it up!!!

Below is Boner's sequester and the sequester that passed. They are the same.
Boner and the GOP own the sequester!

Two-Step Approach to Hold President Obama Accountable | Speaker.gov

CAPS TO CONTROL FUTURE SPENDING

The framework imposes spending caps that would establish clear limits on future spending and serve as a barrier against government expansion while the economy grows. Failure to remain below these caps will trigger automatic across-the-board cuts (otherwise known as sequestration). This is the same mechanism used in the 1997 Balanced Budget Agreement.
John Boehner, July 25, 2011

Bill Summary & Status - 112th Congress (2011 - 2012) - S.365 - CRS Summary - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

Budget Control Act of 2011 - Title I: Ten-Year Discretionary Caps with Sequester - (Sec. 101) Amends the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985 (Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Act) to revise sequestration requirements for enforcement of discretionary spending limits (spending caps).

Again, a lecture on integrity from you is laughable.

The President through his spokes idiots has even acknowledged that his team came up with the idea. It was just a spin on a prior notion of "sequestration."

If the President can admit it, you should be able to admit it too.

Unlike you, however, I don't pretend that the idea is solely one side's or the other's. Team Obama may have come up with the notion, but the GOP is still more than knee deep in the mire.

But there's zero hope for you since you cannot even admit as much as the President has admitted.

Do you actually hope to go down on the guy?

This is why the Right make perfect contrarian indicators, whatever they say the opposite is true. To the Right this is Obama admitting that Boner's sequester was his idea!

“First of all, the sequester is not something that I've proposed. It is something that Congress has proposed,”

 

[Redbone]

Look whose talking about integrity, someone who still parrots the GOP lie that the sequester came from Obama even after you were shown the idea on Boner's own website before the White House was claimed to have brought it up!!!

Below is Boner's sequester and the sequester that passed. They are the same.
Boner and the GOP own the sequester!

Two-Step Approach to Hold President Obama Accountable | Speaker.gov

CAPS TO CONTROL FUTURE SPENDING

The framework imposes spending caps that would establish clear limits on future spending and serve as a barrier against government expansion while the economy grows. Failure to remain below these caps will trigger automatic across-the-board cuts (otherwise known as sequestration). This is the same mechanism used in the 1997 Balanced Budget Agreement.
John Boehner, July 25, 2011

Bill Summary & Status - 112th Congress (2011 - 2012) - S.365 - CRS Summary - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

Budget Control Act of 2011 - Title I: Ten-Year Discretionary Caps with Sequester - (Sec. 101) Amends the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985 (Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Act) to revise sequestration requirements for enforcement of discretionary spending limits (spending caps).

Again, a lecture on integrity from you is laughable.

The President through his spokes idiots has even acknowledged that his team came up with the idea. It was just a spin on a prior notion of "sequestration."

If the President can admit it, you should be able to admit it too.

Unlike you, however, I don't pretend that the idea is solely one side's or the other's. Team Obama may have come up with the notion, but the GOP is still more than knee deep in the mire.

But there's zero hope for you since you cannot even admit as much as the President has admitted.

Do you actually hope to go down on the guy?

This is why the Right make perfect contrarian indicators, whatever they say the opposite is true. To the Right this is Obama admitting that Boner's sequester was his idea!

“First of all, the sequester is not something that I've proposed. It is something that Congress has proposed,”

Good grief are you really that damn uninformed. Obama used it as a bluff and got called on it. Now he tries to squirm out of it like the dishonorable piece of ratcrap that he is..
If Obama were truly so concerned about the ability to pay the nation's bills the fool would not have ran up the extra trillions in debt during his first term. Yet you ignore that and with good reason. Because it highlights what a sorry , lying, piece of trash you are attempting to defend!

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Look whose talking about integrity, someone who still parrots the GOP lie that the sequester came from Obama even after you were shown the idea on Boner's own website before the White House was claimed to have brought it up!!!

Below is Boner's sequester and the sequester that passed. They are the same.
Boner and the GOP own the sequester!

Two-Step Approach to Hold President Obama Accountable | Speaker.gov

CAPS TO CONTROL FUTURE SPENDING

The framework imposes spending caps that would establish clear limits on future spending and serve as a barrier against government expansion while the economy grows. Failure to remain below these caps will trigger automatic across-the-board cuts (otherwise known as sequestration). This is the same mechanism used in the 1997 Balanced Budget Agreement.
John Boehner, July 25, 2011

Bill Summary & Status - 112th Congress (2011 - 2012) - S.365 - CRS Summary - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

Budget Control Act of 2011 - Title I: Ten-Year Discretionary Caps with Sequester - (Sec. 101) Amends the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985 (Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Act) to revise sequestration requirements for enforcement of discretionary spending limits (spending caps).

Again, a lecture on integrity from you is laughable.

The President through his spokes idiots has even acknowledged that his team came up with the idea. It was just a spin on a prior notion of "sequestration."

If the President can admit it, you should be able to admit it too.

Unlike you, however, I don't pretend that the idea is solely one side's or the other's. Team Obama may have come up with the notion, but the GOP is still more than knee deep in the mire.

But there's zero hope for you since you cannot even admit as much as the President has admitted.

Do you actually hope to go down on the guy?

This is why the Right make perfect contrarian indicators, whatever they say the opposite is true. To the Right this is Obama admitting that Boner's sequester was his idea!

“First of all, the sequester is not something that I've proposed. It is something that Congress has proposed,”

His spokes idiot Carney acknowledged that the Obama "team" DID put forward the idea. Carney was not alone FOR the Administration in acknowledging it.

It kills you to have to acknowledge it.

That's why you are a laughing stock, ed.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You have to repeat things constantly with Progressives, they can't learn on their own, they have to be trained like monkeys or dogs