Is Satan really evil?

[TimothysAlaska]

I have read it and was horrified by it.

But one thing I questioned as a child was, what exactly did satan do? And why is he considered evil?

Did he torture people in the bible? No but God tortured people.

Did he kill anybody in the bible? No, but God commited genocide numerous times.

Did satan threaten anybody with harm? Nope

Did he say anything in the bible? Nope

So you guys take the word and I use his own words jealous and angry God, who commited every unspeakable act against humanity, murdered the innocent, genocide, and who says you must fear me!

Most Americans have never lived in fear so the word really does not mean much to you.

But fear is terrible, a feeling of dread that creeps into your insides and makes you paralyzed.

So you want to go to heaven, with a being that has commited all of these acts on your people and you must fear him or else. Does that sound like paradise? If God were a ruler in a country on earth, that would be the most miserable place you could ever think to be.

And then Jesus says that you can bribe your way into heaven and receive "treasure" in heaven? What the heck does that mean?

I really think you religious folk should take a critical look at your bible!


So satan was thrown out because he tried to overthrow God,

Umm from the way the bible portrays God he should had been overthrown.

 

[DarkFury]

I have read it and was horrified by it.

But one thing I questioned as a child was, what exactly did satan do? And why is he considered evil?

Did he torture people in the bible? No but God tortured people.

Did he kill anybody in the bible? No, but God commited genocide numerous times.

Did satan threaten anybody with harm? Nope

Did he say anything in the bible? Nope

So you guys take the word and I use his own words jealous and angry God, who commited every unspeakable act against humanity, murdered the innocent, genocide, and who says you must fear me!

Most Americans have never lived in fear so the word really does not mean much to you.

But fear is terrible, a feeling of dread that creeps into your insides and makes you paralyzed.

So you want to go to heaven, with a being that has commited all of these acts on your people and you must fear him or else. Does that sound like paradise? If God were a ruler in a country on earth, that would be the most miserable place you could ever think to be.

And then Jesus says that you can bribe your way into heaven and receive "treasure" in heaven? What the heck does that mean?

I really think you religious folk should take a critical look at your bible!


So satan was thrown out because he tried to overthrow God,

Umm from the way the bible portrays God he should had been overthrown.

Satan was thrown out for having sex with humans. Not a problem you will ever face.

 

[TimothysAlaska]

I have read it and was horrified by it.

But one thing I questioned as a child was, what exactly did satan do? And why is he considered evil?

Did he torture people in the bible? No but God tortured people.

Did he kill anybody in the bible? No, but God commited genocide numerous times.

Did satan threaten anybody with harm? Nope

Did he say anything in the bible? Nope

So you guys take the word and I use his own words jealous and angry God, who commited every unspeakable act against humanity, murdered the innocent, genocide, and who says you must fear me!

Most Americans have never lived in fear so the word really does not mean much to you.

But fear is terrible, a feeling of dread that creeps into your insides and makes you paralyzed.

So you want to go to heaven, with a being that has commited all of these acts on your people and you must fear him or else. Does that sound like paradise? If God were a ruler in a country on earth, that would be the most miserable place you could ever think to be.

And then Jesus says that you can bribe your way into heaven and receive "treasure" in heaven? What the heck does that mean?

I really think you religious folk should take a critical look at your bible!


So satan was thrown out because he tried to overthrow God,

Umm from the way the bible portrays God he should had been overthrown.

Satan was thrown out for having sex with humans. Not a problem you will ever face.

Lol and where pray tell is that in the bible? Are you taking about genisis 6? It strictly says sons of God, but every denomination has a meaning for that, whatever they feel it means to the scholarly priests in that sect. Again it says sons of God so it must mean gods sons, could Jesus have been getting strange back then? But of course that implies he had brothers. So make things say what it does not say, that lucifer had sex with daughters of men. That is why it is hard to take the religious seriously because you have one book, One Book, and still can't all agree on it.

And having sex is evil? Wow to bad most Christians do not believe like you do. They would all die out. So satan is evil because he had sex! Lmao

 

[S.J.]

I have read it and was horrified by it.

But one thing I questioned as a child was, what exactly did satan do? And why is he considered evil?

Did he torture people in the bible? No but God tortured people.

Did he kill anybody in the bible? No, but God commited genocide numerous times.

Did satan threaten anybody with harm? Nope

Did he say anything in the bible? Nope

So you guys take the word and I use his own words jealous and angry God, who commited every unspeakable act against humanity, murdered the innocent, genocide, and who says you must fear me!

Most Americans have never lived in fear so the word really does not mean much to you.

But fear is terrible, a feeling of dread that creeps into your insides and makes you paralyzed.

So you want to go to heaven, with a being that has commited all of these acts on your people and you must fear him or else. Does that sound like paradise? If God were a ruler in a country on earth, that would be the most miserable place you could ever think to be.

And then Jesus says that you can bribe your way into heaven and receive "treasure" in heaven? What the heck does that mean?

I really think you religious folk should take a critical look at your bible!


So satan was thrown out because he tried to overthrow God,

Umm from the way the bible portrays God he should had been overthrown.

Satan was thrown out for having sex with humans. Not a problem you will ever face.

Lol and where pray tell is that in the bible? Are you taking about genisis 6? It strictly says sons of God, but every denomination has a meaning for that, whatever they feel it means to the scholarly priests in that sect. Again it says sons of God so it must mean gods sons, could Jesus have been getting strange back then? But of course that implies he had brothers. So make things say what it does not say, that lucifer had sex with daughters of men. That is why it is hard to take the religious seriously because you have one book, One Book, and still can't all agree on it.

The Bible is not a book, it's a collection of books.

 

[TimothysAlaska]

I have read it and was horrified by it.

But one thing I questioned as a child was, what exactly did satan do? And why is he considered evil?

Did he torture people in the bible? No but God tortured people.

Did he kill anybody in the bible? No, but God commited genocide numerous times.

Did satan threaten anybody with harm? Nope

Did he say anything in the bible? Nope

So you guys take the word and I use his own words jealous and angry God, who commited every unspeakable act against humanity, murdered the innocent, genocide, and who says you must fear me!

Most Americans have never lived in fear so the word really does not mean much to you.

But fear is terrible, a feeling of dread that creeps into your insides and makes you paralyzed.

So you want to go to heaven, with a being that has commited all of these acts on your people and you must fear him or else. Does that sound like paradise? If God were a ruler in a country on earth, that would be the most miserable place you could ever think to be.

And then Jesus says that you can bribe your way into heaven and receive "treasure" in heaven? What the heck does that mean?

I really think you religious folk should take a critical look at your bible!


So satan was thrown out because he tried to overthrow God,

Umm from the way the bible portrays God he should had been overthrown.

Satan was thrown out for having sex with humans. Not a problem you will ever face.

Lol and where pray tell is that in the bible? Are you taking about genisis 6? It strictly says sons of God, but every denomination has a meaning for that, whatever they feel it means to the scholarly priests in that sect. Again it says sons of God so it must mean gods sons, could Jesus have been getting strange back then? But of course that implies he had brothers. So make things say what it does not say, that lucifer had sex with daughters of men. That is why it is hard to take the religious seriously because you have one book, One Book, and still can't all agree on it.

The Bible is not a book, it's a collection of books.

Kind of true, it is a collection of stories, which gets my goat when they quote revelations about changing scripture because revelations was by itself for many years, so it was only referring to revelations when it read that changing scriptures is bad.

 

[hortysir]

I have read it and was horrified by it.

But one thing I questioned as a child was, what exactly did satan do? And why is he considered evil?

Did he torture people in the bible? No but God tortured people.

Did he kill anybody in the bible? No, but God commited genocide numerous times.

Did satan threaten anybody with harm? Nope

Did he say anything in the bible? Nope

So you guys take the word and I use his own words jealous and angry God, who commited every unspeakable act against humanity, murdered the innocent, genocide, and who says you must fear me!

Most Americans have never lived in fear so the word really does not mean much to you.

But fear is terrible, a feeling of dread that creeps into your insides and makes you paralyzed.

So you want to go to heaven, with a being that has commited all of these acts on your people and you must fear him or else. Does that sound like paradise? If God were a ruler in a country on earth, that would be the most miserable place you could ever think to be.

And then Jesus says that you can bribe your way into heaven and receive "treasure" in heaven? What the heck does that mean?

I really think you religious folk should take a critical look at your bible!


So satan was thrown out because he tried to overthrow God,

Umm from the way the bible portrays God he should had been overthrown.

He's glad you think that way......

 

[The Great Goose]

I have read it and was horrified by it.

But one thing I questioned as a child was, what exactly did satan do? And why is he considered evil?

Did he torture people in the bible? No but God tortured people.

Did he kill anybody in the bible? No, but God commited genocide numerous times.

Did satan threaten anybody with harm? Nope

Did he say anything in the bible? Nope

So you guys take the word and I use his own words jealous and angry God, who commited every unspeakable act against humanity, murdered the innocent, genocide, and who says you must fear me!

Most Americans have never lived in fear so the word really does not mean much to you.

But fear is terrible, a feeling of dread that creeps into your insides and makes you paralyzed.

So you want to go to heaven, with a being that has commited all of these acts on your people and you must fear him or else. Does that sound like paradise? If God were a ruler in a country on earth, that would be the most miserable place you could ever think to be.

And then Jesus says that you can bribe your way into heaven and receive "treasure" in heaven? What the heck does that mean?

I really think you religious folk should take a critical look at your bible!


So satan was thrown out because he tried to overthrow God,

Umm from the way the bible portrays God he should had been overthrown.

Ha ha!

Great OP.

Satan went around "knocking" everything. Creative people don't like to have their creative endeavors knocked.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I have read it and was horrified by it.

But one thing I questioned as a child was, what exactly did satan do? And why is he considered evil?

Did he torture people in the bible? No but God tortured people.

Did he kill anybody in the bible? No, but God commited genocide numerous times.

Did satan threaten anybody with harm? Nope

Did he say anything in the bible? Nope

So you guys take the word and I use his own words jealous and angry God, who commited every unspeakable act against humanity, murdered the innocent, genocide, and who says you must fear me!

Most Americans have never lived in fear so the word really does not mean much to you.

But fear is terrible, a feeling of dread that creeps into your insides and makes you paralyzed.

So you want to go to heaven, with a being that has commited all of these acts on your people and you must fear him or else. Does that sound like paradise? If God were a ruler in a country on earth, that would be the most miserable place you could ever think to be.

And then Jesus says that you can bribe your way into heaven and receive "treasure" in heaven? What the heck does that mean?

I really think you religious folk should take a critical look at your bible!


So satan was thrown out because he tried to overthrow God,

Umm from the way the bible portrays God he should had been overthrown.

What? Are you being satirical?

 

[TimothysAlaska]

I have read it and was horrified by it.

But one thing I questioned as a child was, what exactly did satan do? And why is he considered evil?

Did he torture people in the bible? No but God tortured people.

Did he kill anybody in the bible? No, but God commited genocide numerous times.

Did satan threaten anybody with harm? Nope

Did he say anything in the bible? Nope

So you guys take the word and I use his own words jealous and angry God, who commited every unspeakable act against humanity, murdered the innocent, genocide, and who says you must fear me!

Most Americans have never lived in fear so the word really does not mean much to you.

But fear is terrible, a feeling of dread that creeps into your insides and makes you paralyzed.

So you want to go to heaven, with a being that has commited all of these acts on your people and you must fear him or else. Does that sound like paradise? If God were a ruler in a country on earth, that would be the most miserable place you could ever think to be.

And then Jesus says that you can bribe your way into heaven and receive "treasure" in heaven? What the heck does that mean?

I really think you religious folk should take a critical look at your bible!


So satan was thrown out because he tried to overthrow God,

Umm from the way the bible portrays God he should had been overthrown.

What? Are you being satirical?

Nope, the only evil I read in the bible was done by humans and God. Yet lucifer gets the blame when hardly a paragraph exists about him.

Reading the bible seeing what God did was horrifying! Had he been human he would be considered worst then all the tyrants of the past, yet people worship him, or are they just afraid not to?

I don't believe in it, I am just curious why people are blind to what he did.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Nope, the only evil I read in the bible was done by humans and God. Yet lucifer gets the blame when hardly a paragraph exists about him

As a Christian I'm trying my best not to be offended by this line of reasoning. But I would suggest you doing your research on the Bible before making these kinds of assertions.

"How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations! 13 "But you said in your heart, 'I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, And I will sit on the mount of assembly in the recesses of the north. 14 'I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High,'" (Isaiah 14:12-14).

There, one whole paragraph.

 

[Campbell]

I have read it and was horrified by it.

But one thing I questioned as a child was, what exactly did satan do? And why is he considered evil?

Did he torture people in the bible? No but God tortured people.

Did he kill anybody in the bible? No, but God commited genocide numerous times.

Did satan threaten anybody with harm? Nope

Did he say anything in the bible? Nope

So you guys take the word and I use his own words jealous and angry God, who commited every unspeakable act against humanity, murdered the innocent, genocide, and who says you must fear me!

Most Americans have never lived in fear so the word really does not mean much to you.

But fear is terrible, a feeling of dread that creeps into your insides and makes you paralyzed.

So you want to go to heaven, with a being that has commited all of these acts on your people and you must fear him or else. Does that sound like paradise? If God were a ruler in a country on earth, that would be the most miserable place you could ever think to be.

And then Jesus says that you can bribe your way into heaven and receive "treasure" in heaven? What the heck does that mean?

I really think you religious folk should take a critical look at your bible!


So satan was thrown out because he tried to overthrow God,

Umm from the way the bible portrays God he should had been overthrown.

I don't believe that such a character exists.....I'm a Jack and the Beanstalk man.

 

[TimothysAlaska]

I have read it and was horrified by it.

But one thing I questioned as a child was, what exactly did satan do? And why is he considered evil?

Did he torture people in the bible? No but God tortured people.

Did he kill anybody in the bible? No, but God commited genocide numerous times.

Did satan threaten anybody with harm? Nope

Did he say anything in the bible? Nope

So you guys take the word and I use his own words jealous and angry God, who commited every unspeakable act against humanity, murdered the innocent, genocide, and who says you must fear me!

Most Americans have never lived in fear so the word really does not mean much to you.

But fear is terrible, a feeling of dread that creeps into your insides and makes you paralyzed.

So you want to go to heaven, with a being that has commited all of these acts on your people and you must fear him or else. Does that sound like paradise? If God were a ruler in a country on earth, that would be the most miserable place you could ever think to be.

And then Jesus says that you can bribe your way into heaven and receive "treasure" in heaven? What the heck does that mean?

I really think you religious folk should take a critical look at your bible!


So satan was thrown out because he tried to overthrow God,

Umm from the way the bible portrays God he should had been overthrown.

He's glad you think that way......

Well I guess He isn't as loving as Jesus said. Guess I will turn my other cheek to him then. But you would follow someone like that is frightening and makes perfect sense of how people like hitler, the ayatollah, Stalin and numerous tyrants gained power.

 

[hortysir]

I have read it and was horrified by it.

But one thing I questioned as a child was, what exactly did satan do? And why is he considered evil?

Did he torture people in the bible? No but God tortured people.

Did he kill anybody in the bible? No, but God commited genocide numerous times.

Did satan threaten anybody with harm? Nope

Did he say anything in the bible? Nope

So you guys take the word and I use his own words jealous and angry God, who commited every unspeakable act against humanity, murdered the innocent, genocide, and who says you must fear me!

Most Americans have never lived in fear so the word really does not mean much to you.

But fear is terrible, a feeling of dread that creeps into your insides and makes you paralyzed.

So you want to go to heaven, with a being that has commited all of these acts on your people and you must fear him or else. Does that sound like paradise? If God were a ruler in a country on earth, that would be the most miserable place you could ever think to be.

And then Jesus says that you can bribe your way into heaven and receive "treasure" in heaven? What the heck does that mean?

I really think you religious folk should take a critical look at your bible!


So satan was thrown out because he tried to overthrow God,

Umm from the way the bible portrays God he should had been overthrown.

He's glad you think that way......

Well I guess He isn't as loving as Jesus said. Guess I will turn my other cheek to him then. But you would follow someone like that is frightening and makes perfect sense of how people like hitler, the ayatollah, Stalin and numerous tyrants gained power.

Turn that cheek at your own peril.

The only sin Gos doesn't forgive is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit

 

[TimothysAlaska]

Nope, the only evil I read in the bible was done by humans and God. Yet lucifer gets the blame when hardly a paragraph exists about him

As a Christian I'm trying my best not to be offended by this line of reasoning. But I would suggest you doing your research on the Bible before making these kinds of assertions.

"How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations! 13 "But you said in your heart, 'I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, And I will sit on the mount of assembly in the recesses of the north. 14 'I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High,'" (Isaiah 14:12-14).

There, one whole paragraph.

That does not explain anything. Nor does it give a pass to the horrible things that God had done.

I question things, and when what people know of lucifer is from popular culture, I think it is wrong. Yes as I said, he wanted to overthrow a God who required fear to be a condition of worship, who said he was a jealous and angry God. That does not sound like leadership, that sounds like tyranny.

Perhaps you have never felt fear, not the fear of being late for work, but terror induced fear. If you ever felt that type of fear, ask yourself could you really live eternally with such a being?

Popular culture has taken religion and turned it into a Monday morning quarter back so to speak in America. Religion is just a tradition that isn't even thought about just accepted. That is dangerous.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Perhaps you have never felt fear, not the fear of being late for work, but terror induced fear. If you ever felt that type of fear, ask yourself could you really live eternally with such a being?

First:

I am bipolar, Timothy, I also suffer from anxiety and depression. If you want to know what real fear is, that's it. Anxiety is the state of perpetual irrational fear and overwhelming terror. Bipolar basically is depression, fear, anxiety, terror and bliss all hitting you at once.

When I have an attack, the first thing I do is turn to God. I don't blame God.

Second:

"At Ohio State University, I participated in an open forum on a radio talk show.

From the start, callers were antagonistic. I could feel the tension as soon as the lines lit up. One angry woman, referring to abortion, said, "All you people have is an agenda you're trying to promote. You want to take away our rights and invade our private lives."

Abortion had not even been brought up.

"Just a minute," I replied. "We didn't even raise the subject."

"What is your position on abortion, then?"

I said, "Can I ask you a question? On every university campus I visit, someone stands up and says that God is an evil God to allow all this evil into our world. This person typically says, 'A plane crashes: Thirty people die, and twenty people live. What kind of God would arbitrarily choose some to live and some to die?' "But when we play God and determine whether a child within a mother's womb should live, we argue for that as a moral right. So when human beings are given the privilege of playing God, it's called a moral right. When God plays God, we call it an immoral act. Can you justify this for me?"

That was the end of the conversation."

Growing Your Church Through Evangelism and Outreach, Chapter entitled 'Reaching the Happy Thinking Pagan' by Ravi Zacharias, pp 18-19

 

[TemplarKormac]

Yes as I said, he wanted to overthrow a God who required fear to be a condition of worship, who said he was a jealous and angry God. That does not sound like leadership, that sounds like tyranny.

And what would have stopped Satan from doing the same thing?

 

[hobelim]

I don't believe that such a character exists.....I'm a Jack and the Beanstalk man.

Some character once tried to convince me that if I would worship and eat a certain cracker I would be saved and live forever.

He didn't look like a devil but he sure smelt like one..

 

[TimothysAlaska]

I have read it and was horrified by it.

But one thing I questioned as a child was, what exactly did satan do? And why is he considered evil?

Did he torture people in the bible? No but God tortured people.

Did he kill anybody in the bible? No, but God commited genocide numerous times.

Did satan threaten anybody with harm? Nope

Did he say anything in the bible? Nope

So you guys take the word and I use his own words jealous and angry God, who commited every unspeakable act against humanity, murdered the innocent, genocide, and who says you must fear me!

Most Americans have never lived in fear so the word really does not mean much to you.

But fear is terrible, a feeling of dread that creeps into your insides and makes you paralyzed.

So you want to go to heaven, with a being that has commited all of these acts on your people and you must fear him or else. Does that sound like paradise? If God were a ruler in a country on earth, that would be the most miserable place you could ever think to be.

And then Jesus says that you can bribe your way into heaven and receive "treasure" in heaven? What the heck does that mean?

I really think you religious folk should take a critical look at your bible!


So satan was thrown out because he tried to overthrow God,

Umm from the way the bible portrays God he should had been overthrown.

He's glad you think that way......

Well I guess He isn't as loving as Jesus said. Guess I will turn my other cheek to him then. But you would follow someone like that is frightening and makes perfect sense of how people like hitler, the ayatollah, Stalin and numerous tyrants gained power.

Turn that cheek at your own peril.

The only sin Gos doesn't forgive is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit

It has been turned for a long time. And you bear to mind my point. My peril, fear, blaspheme, you fear to question. That is evil in my eyes. That is blind, why think when you just accept.

Do you even know what you believe.

I suggest rereading timothy, those passages go on great length in how to conduct a churches affairs.

What church uses those doctrines? If you disagree with those concepts then are you blaspheme? If you agree with them then you are on the right path I suppose.


Martyrs were killed then to blaspheme their savior. Some say why would they do that if it was false.

But many pagan religions had martyrs as well that said the same thing.

And 1/3 of the Angels followed lucifer and they were intimate with the knowledge of God. Yet they chose to leave. Imagine being in paradise and denying it. That in itself seems pretty powerful. All they had to do was submit yet refused. Why? What don't we know?

 

[TimothysAlaska]

Yes as I said, he wanted to overthrow a God who required fear to be a condition of worship, who said he was a jealous and angry God. That does not sound like leadership, that sounds like tyranny.

And what would have stopped Satan from doing the same thing?

George Washington could have been king but refused. Sometimes rebellion things get better and sometimes they do not. We will never know. I do not like only hearing one side of a story.

But causing fear to rule never works in this world. Apparently it works in the next. But it is not a way of being that I would ever embrace.

 

[TemplarKormac]

But causing fear to rule never works in this world. Apparently it works in the next. But it is not a way of being that I would ever embrace.

You know, just stop trying to convince us of our belief in God or that Satan is benevolent. You by saying "God instills fear" is an argument of intimidation, by trying to create a fear (more fear) of God.

You're violating your own premise. If instilling fear is wrong to you, why are you trying to illicit fear of God, as an evil God, in others?

George Washington could have been king but refused

George Washington believed in God.