Is the GOP intentionally preventing a recovery?

[Susan45]

No it just saddens me that there are people in this country stupid enough to believe that a nation's greatness can be measured by the size of its armies.

We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men -- and women -- stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.

America is a great nation, leftist hand-wringing and historical revision to the contrary. It's given you freedoms that you would enjoy in few other nations.

As opposed to right wing pearl clutching? and you have a hell of a lot of nerve talking about revisionist history... you assholes are the masters.

Jeebus! Have you ever heard a bigger crock?

 

[Provocateur]

And Synthaholic runs away yet again when pressed. Because he is smart, and he knows the answer.

 

[oreo]

Medicare and SS are funded by payroll taxes. You have to have paid in to get Medicare, and SS retirement benefits.

Not true at all. People started collecting Social Security the day the law went into effect. They never paid a dime into the program. There are numerous other ways you can collect without ever having paid into it.

Who get SS retirement benefits without ever having paid in?

Were you born YESTERDAY? There are millions in this country--young- that paid a couple of cents into social security and are now living a life of Reilly--because their government handout will continue for the rest of their lives. Fibermiralgae--(I can't even spell it)--you can now get disability social security benefits for--

Millions on disability could easily work--but chose to live off of the hard work of others. I know 5 people on social security disability--and 3 of them are under 40--in good health--and could easily work. To ADD--these people are solid base democrat voters. They know which party stands for them being able to rip off the system--and that's who votes democrat in this country.

 

[NYcarbineer]

It really pisses you off that America has the most powerful military in the world, doesn't it?

Tough shit.

No it just saddens me that there are people in this country stupid enough to believe that a nation's greatness can be measured by the size of its armies.

You appear to be ignoring the fact that social security/medicare/medicade make up 43% of the entire budget.

I am not saying that cuts don't need to be made to defense--cuts are going to have to be made EVERYWHERE.

There is absolutely NO WAY that taxes alone can pay for 14.3 trillion red ink now with another 64 TRILLION in unfunded liabilites due to babyboomers now entering these programs.

The military is an unspeakable waste of money. Look around the world. Who spends like we do? Few, if any. Are they less safe than we are? Are they in more wars than we are?

US defense spending is not about defense; it's about powerful special interests profiting from the defense industry.

 

[bripat9643]

The military is an unspeakable waste of money. Look around the world. Who spends like we do? Few, if any. Are they less safe than we are? Are they in more wars than we are?

They are safe only because of the U.S. military.

US defense spending is not about defense; it's about powerful special interests profiting from the defense industry.

You're just a fucking moron.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Not true at all. People started collecting Social Security the day the law went into effect. They never paid a dime into the program. There are numerous other ways you can collect without ever having paid into it.

Who get SS retirement benefits without ever having paid in?

Were you born YESTERDAY? There are millions in this country--young- that paid a couple of cents into social security and are now living a life of Reilly--because their government handout will continue for the rest of their lives. Fibermiralgae--(I can't even spell it)--you can now get disability social security benefits for--

Millions on disability could easily work--but chose to live off of the hard work of others. I know 5 people on social security disability--and 3 of them are under 40--in good health--and could easily work. To ADD--these people are solid base democrat voters. They know which party stands for them being able to rip off the system--and that's who votes democrat in this country.

Do I have to make the word 'retirement' size 7? That's 2 idiot posters in a row who completely ignored it.

 

[bripat9643]

Who get SS retirement benefits without ever having paid in?

My sister, for one.

Any questions?

 

[bripat9643]

Do I have to make the word 'retirement' size 7? That's 2 idiot posters in a row who completely ignored it.

I already told you that people started collecting SS the day the law went into effect. How could they have paid a dime into the program?

 

[Susan45]

Not true at all. People started collecting Social Security the day the law went into effect. They never paid a dime into the program. There are numerous other ways you can collect without ever having paid into it.

Who get SS retirement benefits without ever having paid in?

Were you born YESTERDAY? There are millions in this country--young- that paid a couple of cents into social security and are now living a life of Reilly--because their government handout will continue for the rest of their lives. Fibermiralgae--(I can't even spell it)--you can now get disability social security benefits for--

Millions on disability could easily work--but chose to live off of the hard work of others. I know 5 people on social security disability--and 3 of them are under 40--in good health--and could easily work. To ADD--these people are solid base democrat voters. They know which party stands for them being able to rip off the system--and that's who votes democrat in this country.

Obviously you misunderstood the question, which was can someone who never worked collect SS retirement benefits? The answer is yes, some wives who have never worked do collect retirement benefits and it is from their husbands account. But otherwise no.

You are bringing up SSDI and I have a feeling you don't know anyone that has ever collected. It is not just pay in a few cents and then complain about some illness and collect. It takes forever and the proof must be pretty overwhelming. I knew someone that got a letter for SSD turning her down and she was in a coma. Her mother took a picture of it. I honestly don't believe you when you say you know 5 people on SSD. It is very difficult to get and it's easy to research. Just check online and you will find hundreds, possible thousands of people trying to find out how to expedite the process.

But I'm not surprised you think of it as a welfare scheme. That is very typical RW thinking.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The military is an unspeakable waste of money. Look around the world. Who spends like we do? Few, if any. Are they less safe than we are? Are they in more wars than we are?

They are safe only because of the U.S. military.

And you can't figure out the insanity of us defending other nations for free, fighting wars we don't need to fight, involving ourselves in foreign affairs we don't need to be involved with,

all at horrific costs, all while back here we can't even fix roads or bridges, or care for the sick and the needy, etc., etc.

You don't get that? How can you not get that?

Defense spending is singlehandedly destroying this nation and it's been doing so for 60 years.

 

[bripat9643]

Obviously you misunderstood the question, which was can someone who never worked collect SS retirement benefits? The answer is yes, some wives who have never worked do collect retirement benefits and it is from their husbands account. But otherwise no.

You are bringing up SSDI and I have a feeling you don't know anyone that has ever collected. It is not just pay in a few cents and then complain about some illness and collect. It takes forever and the proof must be pretty overwhelming. I knew someone that got a letter for SSD turning her down and she was in a coma. Her mother took a picture of it. I honestly don't believe you when you say you know 5 people on SSD. It is very difficult to get and it's easy to research. Just check online and you will find hundreds, possible thousands of people trying to find out how to expedite the process.

But I'm not surprised you think of it as a welfare scheme. That is very typical RW thinking.

My sister has been collecting SSDI for over 20 years, and she never paid more than $100 in FICA taxes.

Your claims are bullshit.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Do I have to make the word 'retirement' size 7? That's 2 idiot posters in a row who completely ignored it.

I already told you that people started collecting SS the day the law went into effect. How could they have paid a dime into the program?

Uh, this is 2011.

hello

 

[Susan45]

Do I have to make the word 'retirement' size 7? That's 2 idiot posters in a row who completely ignored it.

I already told you that people started collecting SS the day the law went into effect. How could they have paid a dime into the program?

On January 31, 1940, the first monthly retirement check was issued to Ida May Fuller of Ludlow, Vermont, in the amount of $22.54. Miss Fuller, a Legal Secretary, retired in November 1939. She started collecting benefits in January 1940 at age 65 and lived to be 100 years old, dying in 1975.

Social Security Online

Scroll down to Monthly Benefits.

 

[Susan45]

Obviously you misunderstood the question, which was can someone who never worked collect SS retirement benefits? The answer is yes, some wives who have never worked do collect retirement benefits and it is from their husbands account. But otherwise no.

You are bringing up SSDI and I have a feeling you don't know anyone that has ever collected. It is not just pay in a few cents and then complain about some illness and collect. It takes forever and the proof must be pretty overwhelming. I knew someone that got a letter for SSD turning her down and she was in a coma. Her mother took a picture of it. I honestly don't believe you when you say you know 5 people on SSD. It is very difficult to get and it's easy to research. Just check online and you will find hundreds, possible thousands of people trying to find out how to expedite the process.

But I'm not surprised you think of it as a welfare scheme. That is very typical RW thinking.

My sister has been collecting SSDI for over 20 years, and she never paid more than $100 in FICA taxes.

Your claims are bullshit.

Your ignorance is showing. SSDI is not part of the retirement program and you do not have to work to collect. This is the program they use for disabled children.

 

[Susan45]

The military is an unspeakable waste of money. Look around the world. Who spends like we do? Few, if any. Are they less safe than we are? Are they in more wars than we are?

They are safe only because of the U.S. military.

And you can't figure out the insanity of us defending other nations for free, fighting wars we don't need to fight, involving ourselves in foreign affairs we don't need to be involved with,

all at horrific costs, all while back here we can't even fix roads or bridges, or care for the sick and the needy, etc., etc.

You don't get that? How can you not get that?

Defense spending is singlehandedly destroying this nation and it's been doing so for 60 years.

They don't get it. They think that extra drone or missile makes us stronger. Yes, it surprises me too.

But at least we killed OBL. For that I am eternally grateful. I think that made us look very strong. No BS about the president...he just went and got it done.

 

[oreo]

Do I have to make the word 'retirement' size 7? That's 2 idiot posters in a row who completely ignored it.

I already told you that people started collecting SS the day the law went into effect. How could they have paid a dime into the program?

On January 31, 1940, the first monthly retirement check was issued to Ida May Fuller of Ludlow, Vermont, in the amount of $22.54. Miss Fuller, a Legal Secretary, retired in November 1939. She started collecting benefits in January 1940 at age 65 and lived to be 100 years old, dying in 1975.

Social Security Online

Scroll down to Monthly Benefits.

Social security is a bigger and better ponzi scheme than Bernie Maddof ever thought of. They take 12.4% out of your gross wages (employer/employee) contribution for all your working life and if you're lucky enough to live until now 67 years--you get diddly squawt back on your return. If you meet your demise earlier than that and you're single the Federal Government simply confiscates it.

So the Government gets all this money--then spends it on wars--foreign aid--and about anything and everything other than your well-being in your older years. Not only that but DEMOCRATS decided to expand this program to much younger people who are continually defrauding the system--with yuppy type diseases that we never heard of 10 years ago. They eventually find a couple of doctors that say that this person can't work because of some mental condition or stubbed toe--and wallah--they get a check every single month for the rest of their lives.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

So, in essence, liberals believe that the government, in actuality, owns everything in this country, and that the government shall determine how much each citizen in this country is allowed to keep.

Does that sum it up?

No that’s utterly idiotic. What you perceive as ‘liberal’ are people who aren’t conservative and don’t have an irrational fear of ‘the government.’

Whether toll roads are practical or not isn't the issue. We are discussing a question of morality. How does that mere fact that I live in the USA entitle the government to take anything from me?

Um, the Constitution? It gives government eminent domain (5th Amendment) and the authority to tax income (16th Amendment). If you have an issue with this then your only recourse is to relocate.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

They are safe only because of the U.S. military.

And you can't figure out the insanity of us defending other nations for free, fighting wars we don't need to fight, involving ourselves in foreign affairs we don't need to be involved with,

all at horrific costs, all while back here we can't even fix roads or bridges, or care for the sick and the needy, etc., etc.

You don't get that? How can you not get that?

Defense spending is singlehandedly destroying this nation and it's been doing so for 60 years.

They don't get it. They think that extra drone or missile makes us stronger. Yes, it surprises me too.

But at least we killed OBL. For that I am eternally grateful. I think that made us look very strong. No BS about the president...he just went and got it done.

Hate to burst your bubble but the only thing he "went and got done" was a stroll to the situation room and a voiced word""go""

Any monkey could have been trained for that

 

[Wry Catcher]

Synthaholic, I'll address this to you directly, since only the hysterical chick took a swing and a miss at it.

So, in essence, liberals believe that the government, in actuality, owns everything in this country, and that the government shall determine how much each citizen in this country is allowed to keep.

Does that sum it up?


You can't disagree with that statement if you feel the government is entitled to keep what it sees fit.

The People decide what the government can and can't do.

We are a Republic, not a democracy. At least, that was the original goal. The founders were keenly aware that the treasury would be coveted.


When people talk about "taxing the rich", all they are saying is that they want the government to give them an even less percentage of what they feel the rich deserve. You can twist it any way you want, but the bottom line is that the government has the power to decide what you are allowed to keep. Perhaps that is how you want it. You would not be the first.


Just think about it. Contemplate what I am saying without a knee-jerk reaction. The government has become this entity that determines what ratio of money they will let you keep. They allow us whatever they determine once they have taken their share. They determine what that share is. If you believe that people are somehow making that determination, you are not being honest with the reality of the matter.

The government grows, it takes more, it gives you what it wants to give you.

What is the limit? At what point of the government keeping your money would you be outraged?


And the government just gets bigger and bigger, and layers itself in duplication and a web so intricate that not a person alive could figure out how to begin to address what went wrong.


The government owns everything. It gives you what it deems your fair share.

We are the government, and we get the government we deserve. That's the principle behind the right of the people to elect and recall their representatives. The last election demonstrated without a doubt the genius of the framers, as President Lincoln pointed out clearly so long ago, "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time."

Not all the people are fooled by the radical elements which today dominate the Republican Party; their goal is clear and their methods no different than other demagogues who preceded them over the centuries. Clever pharases and lies repeated over and over, calls of "Socialism and "Marxism" and hate and fear mongering eventually get old and lose power over the people who cannot be fooled. A party which panders to the hoi polloi yet represents only the rich and powerful cannot stand for long. Enjoy it while you can, fools, for the pendulum never defies gravity.

 

[Susan45]

Social security is a bigger and better ponzi scheme than Bernie Maddof ever thought of. They take 12.4% out of your gross wages (employer/employee) contribution for all your working life and if you're lucky enough to live until now 67 years--you get diddly squawt back on your return. If you meet your demise earlier than that and you're single the Federal Government simply confiscates it.

So the Government gets all this money--then spends it on wars--foreign aid--and about anything and everything other than your well-being in your older years. Not only that but DEMOCRATS decided to expand this program to much younger people who are continually defrauding the system--with yuppy type diseases that we never heard of 10 years ago. They eventually find a couple of doctors that say that this person can't work because of some mental condition or stubbed toe--and wallah--they get a check every single month for the rest of their lives.

You should be embarrassed to post a comment so fact free. You must be very young.