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You had to ask what I meant by the Christian Church?
And I'm the ignoramus?
Idiot.
How many Catholics follow every word of Catholic doctrine and how many believe everything Pope says is infallible?
I'm thinking in particular of the Pope saying that women who seek ordination as priests are as harmful to the Church as priest pedophiles.
Does that even make any sense?
How many Catholics follow every word of Catholic doctrine and how many believe everything Pope says is infallible?
I'm thinking in particular of the Pope saying that women who seek ordination as priests are as harmful to the Church as priest pedophiles.
Does that even make any sense?
Uh Oh, post about the Catholic church? This could get ugly
I'm not sure what you think is a suitable reference either.
"Is a priest who sexually abuses a child as sinful as one who ordains a female cleric? Some say a new set of laws issued by the Vatican implies one is just as bad as the other.
The Catholic Church on Thursday revised its in-house rules on sex abuse cases, extending the statute of limitations for such crimes from 10 to 20 years past the victim's 18th birthday and speeding up the excommunication process for pedophile priests. But, curiously, the amended set of ecclesiastical laws also declares that any priest caught ordaining women will be designated as having committed a "grave crime," the same phrase used to describe the abuse of children."
U.S. Catholic magazine Managing Editor Bryan Cones had criticized the new ruling before it was issued, calling it "a complete injustice to connect the aspirations of some women among the baptized to ordained ministry with what are some of the worst crimes that can be committed against the least of Christ's members."
Vatican Puts Ordaining Women Priests on Par With Child Sex Abuse
That puts priests ordaining women as priests on a par with priest pedophilia in terms of what is considered grave crime against the church.
Hysterical bullshit.... both are considered 'grave crimes' from the Church's perspective. That does not put women priests on a par with pedophile priests, just that both are unacceptable to the Church. Of course, I understand you have personal 'issues' with the Church, and that's fine. I am not overly concerned with your 'issues'.
If both ordaining women as priests and priest pedophilia are considered to be "grave crimes againt the Church" then they certainly are on a par.
"What astonished many Catholics was the inclusion of the attempt to ordain women in a list of the more grave delicts, or offenses, which included pedophilia, as well as heresy, apostasy and schism. The issue, some critics said, was less the ordination of women, which is not discussed seriously inside the church hierarchy, but the Vaticans suggestion that pedophilia is a comparable crime in a document billed a response to the sexual abuse crisis."
Msgr. Charles J. Scicluna, the Vaticans internal prosecutor in charge of handling sexual abuse cases, explained the change on womens ordination in technical terms. Sexual abuse and pornography are more grave delicts, they are an egregious violation of moral law, Monsignor Scicluna said in his first public appearance since the sex abuse crisis hit. Attempted ordination of women is grave, but on another level, it is a wound that is an attempt against the Catholic faith on the sacramental orders.
The new document said that a priest who tried to ordain a woman could now be defrocked. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/16/world/europe/16vatican.html
Why is the ordination of women even in a document about pedophiles priests?
I'm aware of the site... I was actually just interested in what sky thinks is a suitable reference.
I'm not sure what you think is a suitable reference either.
"Is a priest who sexually abuses a child as sinful as one who ordains a female cleric? Some say a new set of laws issued by the Vatican implies one is just as bad as the other.
The Catholic Church on Thursday revised its in-house rules on sex abuse cases, extending the statute of limitations for such crimes from 10 to 20 years past the victim's 18th birthday and speeding up the excommunication process for pedophile priests. But, curiously, the amended set of ecclesiastical laws also declares that any priest caught ordaining women will be designated as having committed a "grave crime," the same phrase used to describe the abuse of children."
U.S. Catholic magazine Managing Editor Bryan Cones had criticized the new ruling before it was issued, calling it "a complete injustice to connect the aspirations of some women among the baptized to ordained ministry with what are some of the worst crimes that can be committed against the least of Christ's members."
Vatican Puts Ordaining Women Priests on Par With Child Sex Abuse
That puts priests ordaining women as priests on a par with priest pedophilia in terms of what is considered grave crime against the church.
Hysterical bullshit.... both are considered 'grave crimes' from the Church's perspective. That does not put women priests on a par with pedophile priests, just that both are unacceptable to the Church. Of course, I understand you have personal 'issues' with the Church, and that's fine. I am not overly concerned with your 'issues'.
Hysterical bullshit.... both are considered 'grave crimes' from the Church's perspective. That does not put women priests on a par with pedophile priests, just that both are unacceptable to the Church. Of course, I understand you have personal 'issues' with the Church, and that's fine. I am not overly concerned with your 'issues'.
If both ordaining women as priests and priest pedophilia are considered to be "grave crimes againt the Church" then they certainly are on a par.
"What astonished many Catholics was the inclusion of the attempt to ordain women in a list of the more grave delicts, or offenses, which included pedophilia, as well as heresy, apostasy and schism. The issue, some critics said, was less the ordination of women, which is not discussed seriously inside the church hierarchy, but the Vaticans suggestion that pedophilia is a comparable crime in a document billed a response to the sexual abuse crisis."
Msgr. Charles J. Scicluna, the Vaticans internal prosecutor in charge of handling sexual abuse cases, explained the change on womens ordination in technical terms. Sexual abuse and pornography are more grave delicts, they are an egregious violation of moral law, Monsignor Scicluna said in his first public appearance since the sex abuse crisis hit. Attempted ordination of women is grave, but on another level, it is a wound that is an attempt against the Catholic faith on the sacramental orders.
The new document said that a priest who tried to ordain a woman could now be defrocked. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/16/world/europe/16vatican.html
Why is the ordination of women even in a document about pedophiles priests?
The document is not about pedophiles.
The document was about what the church considered, "Grave Crimes."
One grave crime is pedophillia.
Another grave crime is ordaining women priests.
I'm aware of the site... I was actually just interested in what sky thinks is a suitable reference.
I'm not sure what you think is a suitable reference either.
"Is a priest who sexually abuses a child as sinful as one who ordains a female cleric? Some say a new set of laws issued by the Vatican implies one is just as bad as the other.
The Catholic Church on Thursday revised its in-house rules on sex abuse cases, extending the statute of limitations for such crimes from 10 to 20 years past the victim's 18th birthday and speeding up the excommunication process for pedophile priests. But, curiously, the amended set of ecclesiastical laws also declares that any priest caught ordaining women will be designated as having committed a "grave crime," the same phrase used to describe the abuse of children."
U.S. Catholic magazine Managing Editor Bryan Cones had criticized the new ruling before it was issued, calling it "a complete injustice to connect the aspirations of some women among the baptized to ordained ministry with what are some of the worst crimes that can be committed against the least of Christ's members."
Vatican Puts Ordaining Women Priests on Par With Child Sex Abuse
That puts priests ordaining women as priests on a par with priest pedophilia in terms of what is considered grave crime against the church.
Haven't seen his comment comparing the harm of female priests to that of pedophile priests.... got a link? Preferably a legitimate one.... not one that 'explains' his remark for me but just the actual words he used.
Here is a good starting point.
The World Seen From Rome
I'm aware of the site... I was actually just interested in what sky thinks is a suitable reference.
I'm aware of the site... I was actually just interested in what sky thinks is a suitable reference.
I'm not sure what you think is a suitable reference either.
"Is a priest who sexually abuses a child as sinful as one who ordains a female cleric? Some say a new set of laws issued by the Vatican implies one is just as bad as the other.
The Catholic Church on Thursday revised its in-house rules on sex abuse cases, extending the statute of limitations for such crimes from 10 to 20 years past the victim's 18th birthday and speeding up the excommunication process for pedophile priests. But, curiously, the amended set of ecclesiastical laws also declares that any priest caught ordaining women will be designated as having committed a "grave crime," the same phrase used to describe the abuse of children."
U.S. Catholic magazine Managing Editor Bryan Cones had criticized the new ruling before it was issued, calling it "a complete injustice to connect the aspirations of some women among the baptized to ordained ministry with what are some of the worst crimes that can be committed against the least of Christ's members."
Vatican Puts Ordaining Women Priests on Par With Child Sex Abuse
That puts priests ordaining women as priests on a par with priest pedophilia in terms of what is considered grave crime against the church.
Only in that both are a Fail. Your Premise is false, Sky.
How many Catholics follow every word of Catholic doctrine and how many believe everything Pope says is infallible?
I'm thinking in particular of the Pope saying that women who seek ordination as priests are as harmful to the Church as priest pedophiles.
Does that even make any sense?
Uh Oh, post about the Catholic church? This could get ugly
The OP is completely clueless.
So that post is mute.
Anything else you'd like to debate here/shed your brilliance on?
If both ordaining women as priests and priest pedophilia are considered to be "grave crimes againt the Church" then they certainly are on a par.
"What astonished many Catholics was the inclusion of the attempt to ordain women in a list of the more grave delicts, or offenses, which included pedophilia, as well as heresy, apostasy and schism. The issue, some critics said, was less the ordination of women, which is not discussed seriously inside the church hierarchy, but the Vaticans suggestion that pedophilia is a comparable crime in a document billed a response to the sexual abuse crisis."
Msgr. Charles J. Scicluna, the Vaticans internal prosecutor in charge of handling sexual abuse cases, explained the change on womens ordination in technical terms. Sexual abuse and pornography are more grave delicts, they are an egregious violation of moral law, Monsignor Scicluna said in his first public appearance since the sex abuse crisis hit. Attempted ordination of women is grave, but on another level, it is a wound that is an attempt against the Catholic faith on the sacramental orders.
The new document said that a priest who tried to ordain a woman could now be defrocked. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/16/world/europe/16vatican.html
Why is the ordination of women even in a document about pedophiles priests?
The document is not about pedophiles.
The document was about what the church considered, "Grave Crimes."
One grave crime is pedophillia.
Another grave crime is ordaining women priests.
Exactly. They put the seriousness of ordaining women a crime against the church as grave as pedophile priests.
How many Catholics follow every word of Catholic doctrine and how many believe everything Pope says is infallible?
I'm thinking in particular of the Pope saying that women who seek ordination as priests are as harmful to the Church as priest pedophiles.
Does that even make any sense?
I'm not sure what you think is a suitable reference either.
"Is a priest who sexually abuses a child as sinful as one who ordains a female cleric? Some say a new set of laws issued by the Vatican implies one is just as bad as the other.
The Catholic Church on Thursday revised its in-house rules on sex abuse cases, extending the statute of limitations for such crimes from 10 to 20 years past the victim's 18th birthday and speeding up the excommunication process for pedophile priests. But, curiously, the amended set of ecclesiastical laws also declares that any priest caught ordaining women will be designated as having committed a "grave crime," the same phrase used to describe the abuse of children."
U.S. Catholic magazine Managing Editor Bryan Cones had criticized the new ruling before it was issued, calling it "a complete injustice to connect the aspirations of some women among the baptized to ordained ministry with what are some of the worst crimes that can be committed against the least of Christ's members."
Vatican Puts Ordaining Women Priests on Par With Child Sex Abuse
That puts priests ordaining women as priests on a par with priest pedophilia in terms of what is considered grave crime against the church.
Hysterical bullshit.... both are considered 'grave crimes' from the Church's perspective. That does not put women priests on a par with pedophile priests, just that both are unacceptable to the Church. Of course, I understand you have personal 'issues' with the Church, and that's fine. I am not overly concerned with your 'issues'.
If both ordaining women as priests and priest pedophilia are considered to be "grave crimes againt the Church" then they certainly are on a par.
"What astonished many Catholics was the inclusion of the attempt to ordain women in a list of the more grave delicts, or offenses, which included pedophilia, as well as heresy, apostasy and schism. The issue, some critics said, was less the ordination of women, which is not discussed seriously inside the church hierarchy, but the Vaticans suggestion that pedophilia is a comparable crime in a document billed a response to the sexual abuse crisis."
Msgr. Charles J. Scicluna, the Vaticans internal prosecutor in charge of handling sexual abuse cases, explained the change on womens ordination in technical terms. Sexual abuse and pornography are more grave delicts, they are an egregious violation of moral law, Monsignor Scicluna said in his first public appearance since the sex abuse crisis hit. Attempted ordination of women is grave, but on another level, it is a wound that is an attempt against the Catholic faith on the sacramental orders.
The new document said that a priest who tried to ordain a woman could now be defrocked. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/16/world/europe/16vatican.html
Why is the ordination of women even in a document about pedophiles priests?
I'm not sure what you think is a suitable reference either.
"Is a priest who sexually abuses a child as sinful as one who ordains a female cleric? Some say a new set of laws issued by the Vatican implies one is just as bad as the other.
The Catholic Church on Thursday revised its in-house rules on sex abuse cases, extending the statute of limitations for such crimes from 10 to 20 years past the victim's 18th birthday and speeding up the excommunication process for pedophile priests. But, curiously, the amended set of ecclesiastical laws also declares that any priest caught ordaining women will be designated as having committed a "grave crime," the same phrase used to describe the abuse of children."
U.S. Catholic magazine Managing Editor Bryan Cones had criticized the new ruling before it was issued, calling it "a complete injustice to connect the aspirations of some women among the baptized to ordained ministry with what are some of the worst crimes that can be committed against the least of Christ's members."
Vatican Puts Ordaining Women Priests on Par With Child Sex Abuse
That puts priests ordaining women as priests on a par with priest pedophilia in terms of what is considered grave crime against the church.
Only in that both are a Fail. Your Premise is false, Sky.
It's not my premise. It's the Catholic Churches.
They put priests ordaining women as priests on as serious a grave crime status as priest pedophilia.
"Most Catholics, according to polls in the U.S. and abroad, support women's ordination, but the church peevishly views that trend as an insidious subagenda of its sexual-abuse accusers. Hence last week's astonishing aside from Rome that both the ordination of female priests and pedophilia are graviora delicta, or grave crimes."
Read more: Vatican: Ordaining Female Priests on Par with Pedophilia - TIME
How many Catholics follow every word of Catholic doctrine and how many believe everything Pope says is infallible?
I'm thinking in particular of the Pope saying that women who seek ordination as priests are as harmful to the Church as priest pedophiles.
Does that even make any sense?
How many women did Jesus choose to be Apostles / Priests?
Names appreciated.
How many women did Jesus choose to be Apostles / Priests?
Names appreciated.
Mary Magdalene
How many women did Jesus choose to be Apostles / Priests?
Names appreciated.
Mary Magdalene
Isn't that the woman he married and went off to France with?
as the story goes..
How many women did Jesus choose to be Apostles / Priests?
Names appreciated.
Mary Magdalene
