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I don't really follow what the Turtle is doing except it has little to do with actual HC policy. I think he's trying to play off the Randain neoconservatives like Lee and Ayn Paul, against the moderates, and trying to give Trump " a win." I don't see how that works thoughJust a reminder of what McConnel promised.
From 2014:
"The best interest of the country would be achieved by pulling out Obamacare, root and branch.” Note that McConnell does not really propose an alternative. He sticks with the pledge to repeal Obamacare without describing a replacement that could be used on Kynect.
His office pointed The Fact Checker to a previous statement in which McConnell said: “I will continue to lead efforts to repeal and replace it with commonsense patient-centered reforms that preserve greater choice for my constituents while also lowering costs.”
Mitch McConnell’s puzzling claims on insurance in Kentucky, post-Obamacare
yeah it's more expensive now. Stop. We cannot go back to 1960. It didn't work here because there was no money, and the only way it worked a little was just to not give the blacks any care, which worked sort of because they died faster. Even in more affluent areas, the feds were paying in aid to poor, disabled and the old.Ah no. We tried that in 1960Or we could just cut taxes and deficit spend some more. Which seems to be the gop approach when push comes to shove.
The idea is to cut spending.
Maybe money can be saved by well people shopping for basic care like we shop for dental care now, but I think the Ayn Rand view of saving money on chronic/serious illness is Paul Ryan and the Kochs view of people who can't work live too long anyway
Or maybe get the feds out of the medical business. If a State wants to deal with it, let them spend their own $$.
Almost 60 years ago, technology and times have changed.
Just a reminder of what McConnel promised.
From 2014:
"The best interest of the country would be achieved by pulling out Obamacare, root and branch.” Note that McConnell does not really propose an alternative. He sticks with the pledge to repeal Obamacare without describing a replacement that could be used on Kynect.
His office pointed The Fact Checker to a previous statement in which McConnell said: “I will continue to lead efforts to repeal and replace it with commonsense patient-centered reforms that preserve greater choice for my constituents while also lowering costs.”
Mitch McConnell’s puzzling claims on insurance in Kentucky, post-Obamacare
I also have a fake University you might be interested in sinking your retirement nest egg into.Just a reminder of what McConnel promised.
From 2014:
"The best interest of the country would be achieved by pulling out Obamacare, root and branch.” Note that McConnell does not really propose an alternative. He sticks with the pledge to repeal Obamacare without describing a replacement that could be used on Kynect.
His office pointed The Fact Checker to a previous statement in which McConnell said: “I will continue to lead efforts to repeal and replace it with commonsense patient-centered reforms that preserve greater choice for my constituents while also lowering costs.”
Mitch McConnell’s puzzling claims on insurance in Kentucky, post-Obamacare
"you’re going to have such great health care, at a tiny fraction of the cost—and it’s going to be so easy.”
yeah it's more expensive now. Stop. We cannot go back to 1960. It didn't work here because there was no money, and the only way it worked a little was just to not give the blacks any care, which worked sort of because they died faster. Even in more affluent areas, the feds were paying in aid to poor, disabled and the old.Ah no. We tried that in 1960The idea is to cut spending.
Maybe money can be saved by well people shopping for basic care like we shop for dental care now, but I think the Ayn Rand view of saving money on chronic/serious illness is Paul Ryan and the Kochs view of people who can't work live too long anyway
Or maybe get the feds out of the medical business. If a State wants to deal with it, let them spend their own $$.
Almost 60 years ago, technology and times have changed.
I hope they get nothing done. The 2nd best course of action is to let 0bamacare crash and burn. Then slap that shit right on the democrats and 0bama where it belongs, all the way through the 2018 mid-terms. Then do the right thing, the best thing, repeal it fully, and put in free market solutions.
Conservatives will never have 60 votes to do HC the right way. There's more of a chance that single payer becomes law of the land.
I hope they get nothing done. The 2nd best course of action is to let 0bamacare crash and burn. Then slap that shit right on the democrats and 0bama where it belongs, all the way through the 2018 mid-terms. Then do the right thing, the best thing, repeal it fully, and put in free market solutions.
typical RW horseshit ... too weak to repeal healthcare IN 7 YEARS so pass the responsibility back to the dems..
stfu about healthcare, youre noT going to do a goddamn thing about it but bitch .... ENOUGH ALREADY
ACA is here to stay... its not going anywhere ... its the LAW of the land .. its too popular to fail
suck this ......
Affordable Care Act Gains Majority Approval for First Time
- 55% approve, up from 42% right after 2016 election
- 40% want to keep law but make significant changes
- 30% want to repeal; 26% want to keep law as it is
deal with it kiddies ... Trump fucked you AGAIN.
SUCKERS.
Something has to be done, and it's amazing that dems were so gung ho to try Obamacare without really knowing what it would do, and are now crying that "WE DON"T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN" if even a smidge of reform is tried.
Get the fukattahere Democrats have no problem fixing what is broken, but Republicans can't get off the politico REPEAL schtik that breaks a lot of what DOES work.
Implement single payer is not the same as "fix"
And so far nothing worked for me, my premiums went up, I got shunted to a high deductible plan from a PPO, so I liked my plan and didn't get to keep my plan.
Who besides Bernie and a handful of Californians is pushing single payer?
Democrats have been clear on this - ACA has many shortcomings that need to be fixed and they will work with Republicans if they can get constructive and drop the REPEAL bullshit.
Bullshit. Just like Obama and Hillary were against gay marriage before they supported it, and I was able to keep my plan if I liked it.
The Dem end game has ALWAYS been single payer, it's just that only a few are honest or stupid enough to admit it.
Something has to be done, and it's amazing that dems were so gung ho to try Obamacare without really knowing what it would do, and are now crying that "WE DON"T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN" if even a smidge of reform is tried.
Get the fukattahere Democrats have no problem fixing what is broken, but Republicans can't get off the politico REPEAL schtik that breaks a lot of what DOES work.
Implement single payer is not the same as "fix"
And so far nothing worked for me, my premiums went up, I got shunted to a high deductible plan from a PPO, so I liked my plan and didn't get to keep my plan.
Who besides Bernie and a handful of Californians is pushing single payer?
Democrats have been clear on this - ACA has many shortcomings that need to be fixed and they will work with Republicans if they can get constructive and drop the REPEAL bullshit.
Bullshit. Just like Obama and Hillary were against gay marriage before they supported it, and I was able to keep my plan if I liked it.
The Dem end game has ALWAYS been single payer, it's just that only a few are honest or stupid enough to admit it.
Liberals forced his employer to fulfill a certain level of coverage taking the CHOICE away from him.Who besides Bernie and a handful of Californians is pushing single payer?
Democrats have been clear on this - ACA has many shortcomings that need to be fixed and they will work with Republicans if they can get constructive and drop the REPEAL bullshit.
Bullshit. Just like Obama and Hillary were against gay marriage before they supported it, and I was able to keep my plan if I liked it.
The Dem end game has ALWAYS been single payer, it's just that only a few are honest or stupid enough to admit it.
Bullshit, moderate Democrats are very skeptical of single payer.
I'm a Democrat and I believe we need to exhaust EVERY market based possibility before we go there.
ACA is a market based reform, it has had success in greatly reducing uninsured rates and we need to keep working on it to reduce it further while getting a better handle on the costs.
Skeptical of getting people to accept it, but it has always been the end game.
And Moderate Democrats are about as rare as gun control republicans.
And while my $$ subsidizes the uninsured I get fucked with a plan I don't want because my employer provides it, and if I wanted to go to the exchanges, I wouldn't get subsidized.
And I don't even get a fucking thank you from the freeloading assholes who benefit from it.
lol you're blaming liberals for your employer provided healthcare?
Duh
Without the mandate, we will have to find a govt path to insure those with pre-existing. It could be early buy in medicare - although people without incomes would have to have subisdies to pay the 20% copay or supplemental insurance - or it could be a gummit subsidized separate insurance pool.Something has to be done, and it's amazing that dems were so gung ho to try Obamacare without really knowing what it would do, and are now crying that "WE DON"T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN" if even a smidge of reform is tried.
Get the fukattahere Democrats have no problem fixing what is broken, but Republicans can't get off the politico REPEAL schtik that breaks a lot of what DOES work.
Implement single payer is not the same as "fix"
And so far nothing worked for me, my premiums went up, I got shunted to a high deductible plan from a PPO, so I liked my plan and didn't get to keep my plan.
Who besides Bernie and a handful of Californians is pushing single payer?
Democrats have been clear on this - ACA has many shortcomings that need to be fixed and they will work with Republicans if they can get constructive and drop the REPEAL bullshit.
Bullshit. Just like Obama and Hillary were against gay marriage before they supported it, and I was able to keep my plan if I liked it.
The Dem end game has ALWAYS been single payer, it's just that only a few are honest or stupid enough to admit it.
Obama was against the mandate, insurance companies said no mandate no play. The same will happen if they are forced to take everyone with a pre x, no play or cat plans with very high deductibles for everyone.
The OP has a point.
Obamacare is basically what Krugman proposed in conscience of a liberal, and I really do recommend it to all people of all pol persuasions. It's very short and it was not expensive. A lot of used copies are probably around. (-:The same corrupt DC establishment e.g. congress who forced this giant Obamacare turd on us, is now going to half ass fix it? Good grief
into traffic.The Republicans sure have a heart ...look at the nice thing Mitch did
from Clickhole...
Beautiful! When This 7-Year-Old Boy Could No Longer Afford Treatment For His Brain Tumor, Mitch McConnell Dressed Up As Batman And Wheeled Him Out Of The Hospital to the curb...
The Gop passed with Pence's vote to open debate. I am not really sure why McCain voted for it. They won't have 49 votes out of 52 to gut Medicaid. So I think in the end they can vote to end the mandate. THAT will give Trump something to say "I won." Of course it changes nothing substantively about the HC markets.
McCain correctly pointed out that the way to do this thing is negotiate in committee and on the floor to get 60 votes to pass something that everyone has some skin in so they have to make it work. I realize the vote keeps Trump off the Turtle, but I'm not sure I see it getting the country closer the end zone, as McCain sees the endzone.
Sure, but Obama ran on enacting universal care. He got ten MILLION more votes that McCain and the senate flipped to the dems with 60 seats. That's happened one other time in my life: 1964. The gop wasn't required to cave in, but the dems had the power and the mandate.FACT: There was bi-partisan support for limited healthcare reforms to address key issues. Instead Democrats decided to run amok and draft a 2,000 plus page bill that generated 10's of thousands of pages of government regulations and billions in tax increases, it was a house of cards destined to collapse. Now we have a giant mess to clean up.
Something has to be done, and it's amazing that dems were so gung ho to try Obamacare without really knowing what it would do, and are now crying that "WE DON"T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN" if even a smidge of reform is tried.
Get the fukattahere Democrats have no problem fixing what is broken, but Republicans can't get off the politico REPEAL schtik that breaks a lot of what DOES work.
Implement single payer is not the same as "fix"
And so far nothing worked for me, my premiums went up, I got shunted to a high deductible plan from a PPO, so I liked my plan and didn't get to keep my plan.
Who besides Bernie and a handful of Californians is pushing single payer?
Democrats have been clear on this - ACA has many shortcomings that need to be fixed and they will work with Republicans if they can get constructive and drop the REPEAL bullshit.
Bullshit. Just like Obama and Hillary were against gay marriage before they supported it, and I was able to keep my plan if I liked it.
The Dem end game has ALWAYS been single payer, it's just that only a few are honest or stupid enough to admit it.
Bullshit, moderate Democrats are very skeptical of single payer.
I'm a Democrat and I believe we need to exhaust EVERY market based possibility before we go there.
ACA is a market based reform, it has had success in greatly reducing uninsured rates and we need to keep working on it to reduce it further while getting a better handle on the costs.
It would be a MAJOR change, the majorest possible (is that a word?). Because Obamacare was based on forcing everybody into it, and ignoring people's own opinion on whether a hugely expensive Obamacare plan with crushingly high deductibles, was right for their own particular situation. The mandate was a classic example of liberal elites thinking they know better than their subjects, what was best for them... and forcing them into it even if they disagreed. The Mandate represents everything government should NOT be, but frequently is... under big-government tyrants.So I think in the end they can vote to end the mandate. THAT will give Trump something to say "I won." Of course it changes nothing substantively about the HC markets.
If just the mandate is repealed, suddenly people are free to choose whatever health plan is right for THEM. There will be growing pains, because that mandate crushed out of existence most of the plans that insurance companies used to offer, leaving only the few that conformed to Obamacare's dictates (remember "If you like your plan you can keep your plan"? That's how big a lie it was). But those insurance companies can quickly dust off those old policy plans and reinstate them, and design a few more for situations those didn't cover.
And a few million people can wave money in their faces and say, "I want a plan that offers this and that, and doesn't offer the other thing, and if you have such a plan we'll give you all this nice money. What do you say?". That's the kind of thing that can get companies to work hard to please the people and get all that nice money. They can negotiate, make some counter offers, and if enough people like their counteroffers, that money starts to sparkle.
None of those things were possible under Obamacare. In fact, they were forbidden, on pain of paying penalties all over the place. Obamacare destroyed people's freedom ("for their own good", as socialists and other tyrants always say). Repealing "just the mandate" would restore that freedom.
And for people who like their Obamacare plan, the insurance companies are free to keep offering it. But people might be surprised when they find out how much such plans really cost, once the plans have to compete with viable alternatives .
I think you have it. It's typical cynicism by the Turtle. The moderates can vote for it without voting to cut Medicaid or subsidies, and then when that happens in conference, they can say in 18 or 20 "but I didn't vote for that."The Gop passed with Pence's vote to open debate. I am not really sure why McCain voted for it. They won't have 49 votes out of 52 to gut Medicaid. So I think in the end they can vote to end the mandate. THAT will give Trump something to say "I won." Of course it changes nothing substantively about the HC markets.
McCain correctly pointed out that the way to do this thing is negotiate in committee and on the floor to get 60 votes to pass something that everyone has some skin in so they have to make it work. I realize the vote keeps Trump off the Turtle, but I'm not sure I see it getting the country closer the end zone, as McCain sees the endzone.
I would question whether this can be brought up under reconciliation. It gets rid of taxes and ending the mandate will drive costs up. I suspect this is a way to get it to conference with the House for another try at kicking people off their insurance.
into traffic.The Republicans sure have a heart ...look at the nice thing Mitch did
from Clickhole...
Beautiful! When This 7-Year-Old Boy Could No Longer Afford Treatment For His Brain Tumor, Mitch McConnell Dressed Up As Batman And Wheeled Him Out Of The Hospital to the curb...
