Is there even a real pro-life politician at all?

[Pedro de San Patricio]

It seems like they're all cool with killing kids. The only difference is that the ones with (D) after their names are paid by Planned Parenthood to support butchering children in our own country and the ones with (R) after their names are paid by the military-industrial complex to support butchering children in other countries.

 

[Disir]

It seems like they're all cool with killing kids. The only difference is that the ones with (D) after their names are paid by Planned Parenthood to support butchering children in our own country and the ones with (R) after their names are paid by the military-industrial complex to support butchering children in other countries.

What do you have to do make it illegal?

 

[Pedro de San Patricio]

What do you have to do make it illegal?

To make... what illegal? Murdering people? Or being paid to keep murder legal and profitable?

 

[Mr. H.]

It seems like they're all cool with killing kids. The only difference is that the ones with (D) after their names are paid by Planned Parenthood to support butchering children in our own country and the ones with (R) after their names are paid by the military-industrial complex to support butchering children in other countries.

Clever, but stupid.

Next.

 

[Pedro de San Patricio]

It seems like they're all cool with killing kids. The only difference is that the ones with (D) after their names are paid by Planned Parenthood to support butchering children in our own country and the ones with (R) after their names are paid by the military-industrial complex to support butchering children in other countries.

Clever, but stupid.

Next.

Which side do you support?

 

[Mr. H.]

It seems like they're all cool with killing kids. The only difference is that the ones with (D) after their names are paid by Planned Parenthood to support butchering children in our own country and the ones with (R) after their names are paid by the military-industrial complex to support butchering children in other countries.

Clever, but stupid.

Next.

Which side do you support?

I support my living children, of which I have four.

 

[Mr. H.]

My first wife did not want her initial pregnancy. She tried to overdose on Tylenol PM, and I vividly remember her striking her distended belly with her fist while cursing my pre-born son. He is now an Executive Producer for Netfiix.

My second wife was told by her doctor that the ultrasound revealed indications of Downs' Syndrome. He advised us to go down to the coffee shop and "discuss our options".

Our "option" is now a Sophomore at the Boston Conservatory. Happy, healthy, and perfect.

 

[Mr. H.]

Roe V Wade... Destroying tens of millions of lively children since 1973.

Women with the power of "choice".

Eradicating the progeny of America... since 1973.

Fuck you, bitches.

 

[Vigilante]

Roe V Wade... Destroying tens of millions of lively children since 1973.

Women with the power of "choice".

Eradicating the progeny of America... since 1973.

Fuck you, bitches.

 

[Disir]

What do you have to do make it illegal?

To make... what illegal? Murdering people? Or being paid to keep murder legal and profitable?

Abortion.

What do you have to do?

 

[Pedro de San Patricio]

What do you have to do make it illegal?

To make... what illegal? Murdering people? Or being paid to keep murder legal and profitable?

Abortion.

What do you have to do?

You realize that the pro-life position is about more than abortion, right? Stripping you of your legally granted right to sell your unborn baby piece by piece as biological scrap is part of it, but there's a lot more that goes into it. Other key points are prohibiting you from maiming or killing her after she's born, opposing your every assertion of property rights over her person, ensuring that she has the necessities of a life in our society, and keeping the state's grubby little hands off of her. That was part of what I was saying in the OP. The leftist politicos might be evil, heartless bastards but that doesn't mean their rightist counterparts who oppose the above agenda in other areas are any better.

 

[Disir]

What do you have to do make it illegal?

To make... what illegal? Murdering people? Or being paid to keep murder legal and profitable?

Abortion.

What do you have to do?

You realize that the pro-life position is about more than abortion, right? Stripping you of your legally granted right to sell your unborn baby piece by piece as biological scrap is part of it, but there's a lot more that goes into it. Other key points are prohibiting you from maiming or killing her after she's born, opposing your every assertion of property rights over her person, ensuring that she has the necessities of a life in our society, and keeping the state's grubby little hands off of her. That was part of what I was saying in the OP. The leftist politicos might be evil, heartless bastards but that doesn't mean their rightist counterparts who oppose the above agenda in other areas are any better.

That doesn't answer my question.

 

[Pedro de San Patricio]

That doesn't answer my question.

It was worth pointing out. It struck me as strange how you immediately homed in on one specific issue of a much broader position. Anyway, my position on that is pretty much what your people's propaganda paints it on: repeal RvW as a mistaken ruling and try and jail the Gosnells that do it. An amendment to legally recognize the human right to life would be ideal, but I highly doubt it would be capable of passing in our current society. The left would be pissed at losing an income source. The right would be pissed they couldn't shoot trespassers. I can easily see a coalition to kill any bill like that.

 

[Disir]

Roe V Wade... Destroying tens of millions of lively children since 1973.

Women with the power of "choice".

Eradicating the progeny of America... since 1973.

Fuck you, bitches.

I have always wanted a son. I also knew that, no matter how much I wished otherwise, there was a good chance (there always is) that I would raise him alone and, if I had two children, both would suffer. In fact, by the time that he was born, I knew it was simply a matter of when. I had a tubal ligation. A choice. A choice that many doctors do not want to perform and, for me, was covered by insurance. Did you know that at one point you needed to have permission from your father or your husband to have this done? I repeated my argument with the doctor until the drugs knocked me out before surgery. AND I was married.

So, I asked for marriage counseling. That didn't work.The problem, to hear him tell it, was the fact he was facing layoffs. I argued (for 3 days) to go back to school in order to keep us afloat should we face that. He allowed me providing that he chose the major. He would not allow me to return to work unless he chose the employer. It became progressively worse. If I had stayed, I would lose my son in a different way and I could not protect him. The night we left we had eight police officers escort us to a shelter.

When we arrived, an officer asked if I wanted to file charges. I said no. I wasn't smart enough to realize that it might be handy or how to navigate the system. It isn't the officer's fault. It's mine. I was smart enough to realize that if I left and went to my family that I would be arrested for kidnapping and I would lose my son. I had no job,half a tank of gas, ten bucks in my pocket, and finals the next day. The individual that handled our admission asked questions that I did not have an answer to and became frustrated. I took their little classes that go nowhere. I dealt with the condescending attitudes. I met women that were exactly in the same position of women that I had known all of my life and saw them in a very different light. I know why they go back. I know why they hook up with another. I have one child. More than that? We wouldn't have made it this far and, in retrospect, I have had it much easier than many.

I know the number of ways that I still cannot protect my son (or myself). The man had a bike accident years before I met him and it took out part of his frontal lobe. There have been significant changes over time. Time doesn't really heal all wounds (lying fuckers).

Now I am in a different position and see and learn things from a different angle. I made it a point to learn (and I am still learning) where people fail, the ever changing system fails, what recourse exists, what has never existed and why. I don't fault you for your stance, Mr. H. I'm not saying that the decisions that I made were superior to others. There were repercussions. I made these decisions with the knowledge and experience that I had at the time. I cannot stand in another woman's shoes and pretend to have intimate knowledge of the choices before her.

In the meantime, you keep saying bitch like it's a bad thing. I apologize for the length of my reply.

 

[Disir]

That doesn't answer my question.

It was worth pointing out. It struck me as strange how you immediately homed in on one specific issue of a much broader position. Anyway, my position on that is pretty much what your people's propaganda paints it on: repeal RvW as a mistaken ruling and try and jail the Gosnells that do it. An amendment to legally recognize the human right to life would be ideal, but I highly doubt it would be capable of passing in our current society. The left would be pissed at losing an income source. The right would be pissed they couldn't shoot trespassers. I can easily see a coalition to kill any bill like that.

Why would you think it strange? The title of your OP is: "Is there even a real pro-life politician at all?" We need to identify what needs to be changed and then where the authority lies to change it. I'll give you an example. I dislike Carson because he is all about pro-life but the job that he is applying for lacks the authority to make changes. So, to me, he is wasting a hell of a lot of time on nothing but plays some feel good stuff for people who "feel" the same way he does. It's nothing but noise at that point and indicates what I can expect in the future. I mean, is it important for say........a school board election? Why do people ask this same question of them?

 

[Mr. H.]

Roe V Wade... Destroying tens of millions of lively children since 1973.

Women with the power of "choice".

Eradicating the progeny of America... since 1973.

Fuck you, bitches.

I have always wanted a son. I also knew that, no matter how much I wished otherwise, there was a good chance (there always is) that I would raise him alone and, if I had two children, both would suffer. In fact, by the time that he was born, I knew it was simply a matter of when. I had a tubal ligation. A choice. A choice that many doctors do not want to perform and, for me, was covered by insurance. Did you know that at one point you needed to have permission from your father or your husband to have this done? I repeated my argument with the doctor until the drugs knocked me out before surgery. AND I was married.

So, I asked for marriage counseling. That didn't work.The problem, to hear him tell it, was the fact he was facing layoffs. I argued (for 3 days) to go back to school in order to keep us afloat should we face that. He allowed me providing that he chose the major. He would not allow me to return to work unless he chose the employer. It became progressively worse. If I had stayed, I would lose my son in a different way and I could not protect him. The night we left we had eight police officers escort us to a shelter.

When we arrived, an officer asked if I wanted to file charges. I said no. I wasn't smart enough to realize that it might be handy or how to navigate the system. It isn't the officer's fault. It's mine. I was smart enough to realize that if I left and went to my family that I would be arrested for kidnapping and I would lose my son. I had no job,half a tank of gas, ten bucks in my pocket, and finals the next day. The individual that handled our admission asked questions that I did not have an answer to and became frustrated. I took their little classes that go nowhere. I dealt with the condescending attitudes. I met women that were exactly in the same position of women that I had known all of my life and saw them in a very different light. I know why they go back. I know why they hook up with another. I have one child. More than that? We wouldn't have made it this far and, in retrospect, I have had it much easier than many.

I know the number of ways that I still cannot protect my son (or myself). The man had a bike accident years before I met him and it took out part of his frontal lobe. There have been significant changes over time. Time doesn't really heal all wounds (lying fuckers).

Now I am in a different position and see and learn things from a different angle. I made it a point to learn (and I am still learning) where people fail, the ever changing system fails, what recourse exists, what has never existed and why. I don't fault you for your stance, Mr. H. I'm not saying that the decisions that I made were superior to others. There were repercussions. I made these decisions with the knowledge and experience that I had at the time. I cannot stand in another woman's shoes and pretend to have intimate knowledge of the choices before her.

In the meantime, you keep saying bitch like it's a bad thing. I apologize for the length of my reply.

I'm just an old drunkard. Don't pay me no never mind.

 

[Pedro de San Patricio]

I have always wanted a son. I also knew that, no matter how much I wished otherwise, there was a good chance (there always is) that I would raise him alone and, if I had two children, both would suffer. In fact, by the time that he was born, I knew it was simply a matter of when. I had a tubal ligation. A choice. A choice that many doctors do not want to perform and, for me, was covered by insurance. Did you know that at one point you needed to have permission from your father or your husband to have this done? I repeated my argument with the doctor until the drugs knocked me out before surgery. AND I was married.

I'm aware of that issue and it's wrong. Every person, man or woman, should have the choice to determine whether they reproduce. The only difference between the two of us is that I consider the right to decide whether you reproduce or not no longer to apply after you've already done so.

So, I asked for marriage counseling. That didn't work.The problem, to hear him tell it, was the fact he was facing layoffs. I argued (for 3 days) to go back to school in order to keep us afloat should we face that. He allowed me providing that he chose the major. He would not allow me to return to work unless he chose the employer. It became progressively worse. If I had stayed, I would lose my son in a different way and I could not protect him. The night we left we had eight police officers escort us to a shelter.

It's pretty obvious that he was an abusive bastard. I'm sorry.

Why would you think it strange? The title of your OP is: "Is there even a real pro-life politician at all?" We need to identify what needs to be changed and then where the authority lies to change it. I'll give you an example. I dislike Carson because he is all about pro-life but the job that he is applying for lacks the authority to make changes. So, to me, he is wasting a hell of a lot of time on nothing but plays some feel good stuff for people who "feel" the same way he does. It's nothing but noise at that point and indicates what I can expect in the future. I mean, is it important for say........a school board election? Why do people ask this same question of them?

Say we have the 2020 election. Every presidential candidate but one or two thinks it's morally acceptable to torture animals. All are very vocal about their opinion on this one specific issue. None will have the authority to affect its legality in any way. Would you refuse to vote for the couple that do not simply because they were saying stupid feel good noise bullshit?

 

[Disir]

Say we have the 2020 election. Every presidential candidate but one or two thinks it's morally acceptable to torture animals. All are very vocal about their opinion on this one specific issue. None will have the authority to affect its legality in any way. Would you refuse to vote for the couple that do not simply because they were saying stupid feel good noise bullshit?

If you have someone that spends a great deal of time going on about crap without a policy then they waste my time. They are pandering to a base and, in many cases, misleading that base into thinking they can make changes when they can't. When the religious right got ticked off at Bush II and felt "used", it was because what they wanted was not constitutional. The only other option is that the candidate does not know that it isn't constitutional. That's a problem.

About the rest: The point is not about abuse. I have no right to tell anyone's story but my own. I had and have several advantages. He had no fear of stating why he held his stance. I should have no fear of my own.

My point was that women that are able bodied and of sound mind do not make these decisions lightly. Many women (56%) that decide to have an abortion aren't married-although many of those have been in a relationship with the father for over a year or longer. Many women (61%) already have children and many (69%) are economically disadvantaged.