Is there such thing as "universal morality"?

[emilynghiem]

Again, that's not proof, that's just your say so.

I bet a lot of them end up offing themselves.

Why do you believe God allows homosexual couples to do that?

Again, that's not proof, that's just your say so.

God is just messing with your head.

But why do you think God would create homosexuals?

And allow them to fuck up little kids?

Like I said before, show me that this is actually happening outside of your tiny, pointed skull.

Why do you think homosexuals hide their homesexuality?

And why would they make little children suffer like that? Why does God allow that?

Dear ding and Taz
I keep seeing this same thing posted over and over here without getting answered.
My understanding is that generational karma/sins/curses are passed down
when transgressions or abuses from ONE generation aren't
forgiven/resolved/healed. So they repeat until they are forgiven and healed.

Whatever ding is referring to, the issues and conflicts surrounding
homosexuality have accumulated and finally are being brought out
in public discussion to be resolved.

The key issue I believe this is forcing into public attention
is SPIRITUAL HEALING which is based on FORGIVENESS.

So the "REASON" these issues of child abuse, sex abuse, homosexual
and transgender orientation/identity keep repeating and don't go away
but seem to grow more and more openly public, is that the human
conscience or process toward justice is seeking CORRECTION and HEALING.

That's my understanding of why
"God" allows this to keep happening.
If we don't forgive and receive correction and healing
the problems and patterns repeat.

The more we learn how forgiveness ALLOWS healing
to BREAK this cycle of abuse and conflicts over behavior,
then we can FULLY heal and prevent abuses from recurring.

NOTE: In Christian terms, the sacrifice of Christ represents
this redemption process that allows the past injustices to be
corrected and relations to be healed for lasting justice and peace.

In SECULAR terms, as I have tried to explain in threads with
RWS and BreezeWood the process is to establish RESTORATIVE JUSTICE
through universal truth and bring peace to relations and humanity.

Both RWS and BreezeWood object to religions such as Christianity
based on abusive or "forged/false" Biblical ideology as causing more
problems including "killing".

What I understand is the common message/law/process is that
FORGIVENESS is the mechanism in the human conscience that
opens the door to RECEIVE CORRECTION so these evils can be stopped,
addressed and prevented. Whatever is CAUSING the cycle to repeat,
the point of FORGIVENESS is to break free from that oppression.

Anything less than FORGIVENESS allows the patterns to keep repeating.

 

[ding]

There is no "universal morality." It stems from culture only. In western culture alone, there is this idea that people don't have sex before they are married, and then have sex with their legally married spouses only, until death do them part. Since when has this every been followed?

It is that a vigrn meets a virgin upon their marriage bed. Is it not? At least among the "Chistrians."

The fact that you like every other person that ha ever walked or will ever walk this planet believe that what they believe is moral says otherwise.

 

[GreenAndBlue]

There is no "universal morality." It stems from culture only. In western culture alone, there is this idea that people don't have sex before they are married, and then have sex with their legally married spouses only, until death do them part. Since when has this every been followed?

It is that a vigrn meets a virgin upon their marriage bed. Is it not? At least among the "Chistrians."

Wrong

There are indeed universal moral laws that brings correction pains if guilty

Humans were given pre wired joys and pains so that humans will
Move with the design

The pain from jumping into a fire is one pre wired pain

Also a belief in a GOD

The immune system was pre wired to give pain to non believers

Being drunk in the spirit gives the strongest immune system boost which kills poisons and cancer cells

Modern medicine and science has now helped us understand

But education today is totally corrupt they now cover up science

 

[Lysistrata]

There is no "universal morality." It stems from culture only. In western culture alone, there is this idea that people don't have sex before they are married, and then have sex with their legally married spouses only, until death do them part. Since when has this every been followed?

It is that a vigrn meets a virgin upon their marriage bed. Is it not? At least among the "Chistrians."

The fact that you like every other person that ha ever walked or will ever walk this planet believe that what they believe is moral says otherwise.

This is the "Christian" rule, is it not? Yet every time that I reiterate it on USMB, I am criticized or mocked as some sort of joke. So be it. What is wrong with mentioning it among these holier-than-thou-arts? It is but one demonstration that "morality" is nothing but a cultural concept. This "rule" has only been applied, in fact, to females, so it is not a demonstration of "morality," only of greed and a wanting to achieve a plainly sexual desire.

I am so sure that guys like trump, pigpence, moore proudly wore white at their (first!) weddings to signify their "pure" state, ready to receive their brides. Fat chance. This is just one demonstration that there is no such thing as a "universal morality." The violent advances toward LGBTQ persons is another.

 

[zaangalewa]

By the way: Good is what's good for all and every life. Evil is what's bad for all and every life. And people who think to beat their neighbor is good, before their neighbor could perhaps beat them on his own, and call this "preemptive strike" and make wars on such totally stupid anti-reasons - as the US-Americans and Brits are doing - should not discuss about moral. They should discuss about the psychological diseases of the masses of their people including the bio-socia-psychological problems of their leading elites.

 

[ding]

There is no "universal morality." It stems from culture only. In western culture alone, there is this idea that people don't have sex before they are married, and then have sex with their legally married spouses only, until death do them part. Since when has this every been followed?

It is that a vigrn meets a virgin upon their marriage bed. Is it not? At least among the "Chistrians."

The fact that you like every other person that ha ever walked or will ever walk this planet believe that what they believe is moral says otherwise.

This is the "Christian" rule, is it not? Yet every time that I reiterate it on USMB, I am criticized or mocked as some sort of joke. So be it. What is wrong with mentioning it among these holier-than-thou-arts? It is but one demonstration that "morality" is nothing but a cultural concept. This "rule" has only been applied, in fact, to females, so it is not a demonstration of "morality," only of greed and a wanting to achieve a plainly sexual desire.

I am so sure that guys like trump, pigpence, moore proudly wore white at their (first!) weddings to signify their "pure" state, ready to receive their brides. Fat chance. This is just one demonstration that there is no such thing as a "universal morality." The violent advances toward LGBTQ persons is another.

You could easily prove there is no moral law if you stop doing things you believe are moral. But you can't. Because there is.

 

[Lysistrata]

There is no "universal morality." It stems from culture only. In western culture alone, there is this idea that people don't have sex before they are married, and then have sex with their legally married spouses only, until death do them part. Since when has this every been followed?

It is that a vigrn meets a virgin upon their marriage bed. Is it not? At least among the "Chistrians."

The fact that you like every other person that ha ever walked or will ever walk this planet believe that what they believe is moral says otherwise.

This is the "Christian" rule, is it not? Yet every time that I reiterate it on USMB, I am criticized or mocked as some sort of joke. So be it. What is wrong with mentioning it among these holier-than-thou-arts? It is but one demonstration that "morality" is nothing but a cultural concept. This "rule" has only been applied, in fact, to females, so it is not a demonstration of "morality," only of greed and a wanting to achieve a plainly sexual desire.

I am so sure that guys like trump, pigpence, moore proudly wore white at their (first!) weddings to signify their "pure" state, ready to receive their brides. Fat chance. This is just one demonstration that there is no such thing as a "universal morality." The violent advances toward LGBTQ persons is another.

You could easily prove there is no moral law if you stop doing things you believe are moral. But you can't. Because there is.

Because there is . . . exactly what? You gave your carefully preserved virginity to your bride on your wedding night? N'est pas? You preserved yourself in anticipation of finding her? If you didn't, get down off your throne.

 

[ding]

There is no "universal morality." It stems from culture only. In western culture alone, there is this idea that people don't have sex before they are married, and then have sex with their legally married spouses only, until death do them part. Since when has this every been followed?

It is that a vigrn meets a virgin upon their marriage bed. Is it not? At least among the "Chistrians."

The fact that you like every other person that ha ever walked or will ever walk this planet believe that what they believe is moral says otherwise.

This is the "Christian" rule, is it not? Yet every time that I reiterate it on USMB, I am criticized or mocked as some sort of joke. So be it. What is wrong with mentioning it among these holier-than-thou-arts? It is but one demonstration that "morality" is nothing but a cultural concept. This "rule" has only been applied, in fact, to females, so it is not a demonstration of "morality," only of greed and a wanting to achieve a plainly sexual desire.

I am so sure that guys like trump, pigpence, moore proudly wore white at their (first!) weddings to signify their "pure" state, ready to receive their brides. Fat chance. This is just one demonstration that there is no such thing as a "universal morality." The violent advances toward LGBTQ persons is another.

You could easily prove there is no moral law if you stop doing things you believe are moral. But you can't. Because there is.

Because there is . . . exactly what? You gave your carefully preserved virginity to your bride on your wedding night? N'est pas? You preserved yourself in anticipation of finding her? If you didn't, get down off your throne.

You can argue about it all you want but no matter what you do you will rationalize you are moral for doing it.

There’s the proof.

Now go do something evil and say fuck morality to prove me wrong. You can’t. I win.

 

[alang1216]

Have you ever seriously considered the possibility that spirit created the material world?

Why would I?

 

[ding]

Have you ever seriously considered the possibility that spirit created the material world?

Why would I?

First of all because it is the question man has been asking ever since he became aware.

Secondly because it is a valid question. Even more so now that we know the universe was created from nothing.

 

[alang1216]

Societies and people which behave with virtue experience order and harmony. Societies and people which behave without virtue experience disorder and chaos.

I'm having a deja vu moment. Didn't I once ask for examples. Did you ever provide any?

 

[alang1216]

Have you ever seriously considered the possibility that spirit created the material world?

Why would I?

First of all because it is the question man has been asking ever since he became aware.

Secondly because it is a valid question. Even more so now that we know the universe was created from nothing.

It's certainly an interesting question but since I've never experienced anything spirit/supernatural, why would I consider it to be real? The word of others telling me it exists is just not enough.

I don't know how the universe was created so I can't say it was from nothing.

 

[ding]

Societies and people which behave with virtue experience order and harmony. Societies and people which behave without virtue experience disorder and chaos.

I'm having a deja vu moment. Didn't I once ask for examples. Did you ever provide any?

You mean you can’t use your own experiences as a proxy? Or even common sense?

Are you telling me that you won’t accept this unless I can convince you?

Read any of the great thinkers on virtue and you will find the evidence you are searching for but this can be solved by inspection.

 

[ding]

Have you ever seriously considered the possibility that spirit created the material world?

Why would I?

First of all because it is the question man has been asking ever since he became aware.

Secondly because it is a valid question. Even more so now that we know the universe was created from nothing.

It's certainly an interesting question but since I've never experienced anything spirit/supernatural, why would I consider it to be real? The word of others telling me it exists is just not enough.

I don't know how the universe was created so I can't say it was from nothing.

Have you experienced quantum mechanics? Is that real?

Have you experienced relativity? Is that real?

So you have never experienced spirituality? Really?

 

[ding]

I don't know how the universe was created so I can't say it was from nothing.

Matter and energy are changing. It cannot stay the same. By inspection it must have a beginning. A beginning that does not violate conservation.

Therefore, matter and energy cannot be eternal without reaching thermal equilibrium. Therefore, the source of existence must be of something not material.

 

[alang1216]

Societies and people which behave with virtue experience order and harmony. Societies and people which behave without virtue experience disorder and chaos.

I'm having a deja vu moment. Didn't I once ask for examples. Did you ever provide any?

You mean you can’t use your own experiences as a proxy? Or even common sense?

Are you telling me that you won’t accept this unless I can convince you?

Read any of the great thinkers on virtue and you will find the evidence you are searching for but this can be solved by inspection.

Now it is coming back to me. You made this claim but provided no examples from reality.

You start with your concept of God and work backwards from there:

• A single God exists
• He must have a single, absolute moral code
• He must have ingrained that code into His creations
• People who live according to His code must be better of than those that do not

Maybe you can't provide examples because they don't exist? How many 'virtuous' people were killed by Hitler and Stalin?

 

[alang1216]

I don't know how the universe was created so I can't say it was from nothing.

Matter and energy are changing. It cannot stay the same. By inspection it must have a beginning. A beginning that does not violate conservation.

Therefore, matter and energy cannot be eternal without reaching thermal equilibrium. Therefore, the source of existence must be of something not material.

Our universe had a beginning but that doesn't mean it came from nothing. This is a God-of-the-gaps argument: we don't know what came beforfe the big bang so it must have been God.

 

[alang1216]

Have you experienced quantum mechanics? Is that real?

Have you experienced relativity? Is that real?

So you have never experienced spirituality? Really?

I can run experiments that reveal quantum mechanics and relativity. Are there any experiments that reveal spirituality or the supernatural?

 

[ding]

Societies and people which behave with virtue experience order and harmony. Societies and people which behave without virtue experience disorder and chaos.

I'm having a deja vu moment. Didn't I once ask for examples. Did you ever provide any?

You mean you can’t use your own experiences as a proxy? Or even common sense?

Are you telling me that you won’t accept this unless I can convince you?

Read any of the great thinkers on virtue and you will find the evidence you are searching for but this can be solved by inspection.

Now it is coming back to me. You made this claim but provided no examples from reality.

You start with your concept of God and work backwards from there:

• A single God exists
• He must have a single, absolute moral code
• He must have ingrained that code into His creations
• People who live according to His code must be better of than those that do not

Maybe you can't provide examples because they don't exist? How many 'virtuous' people were killed by Hitler and Stalin?

So because virtuous people were killed by Hitler you refuse to believe that people who behave with virtue will have order and harmony?

Didn’t Hitler and Stalin prove that people who don’t behave with virtue prove their societies lived with disorder?

 

[ding]

Have you experienced quantum mechanics? Is that real?

Have you experienced relativity? Is that real?

So you have never experienced spirituality? Really?

I can run experiments that reveal quantum mechanics and relativity. Are there any experiments that reveal spirituality or the supernatural?

Actually you can’t.

But you can know if f you experience spirituality.

Are you saying you have never experienced spirituality?