Is Trump even eligible to receive a presidential pardon?

[Orangecat]

pardon for what??????????!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Hurting libtard feelings, obviously.

 

[meaner gene]

I have never heard Trump suggest a pardon for himsrlf. Are you accepting some democrat nonsense?

White house staff is revealing Trumps demands to the press.

 

[meaner gene]

No. You can't self pardon yourself for crimes you may or may not have committed while in office. The SC has already ruled that not even a President is above the law.
I don't really care what he does. Pardons don't spare you from state criminal or civil penalties.

Specifically presidential pardons don't pardon for state crimes. But Trump could get the governor of New York to issue him a pardon.

O.K. that was just thrown in for laughs.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Whether granted by himself (self pardon) or by Pence, or any future president, are such pardons prohibited by the Constitution?

US Constitution
Article 2 Section 2.
The President ,,, shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.

Article 1 Section 3
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

The constitution clearly believes those impeached should suffer the consequences of their actions through both a political and legal judgement. So does article 2 section 3 preclude the derailing of a legal judgement by precluding presidential pardons to those impeached?

He was acquitted so exactly NONE of that is applicable. You need to learn to read.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You're right, however I have seen a couple of legal pundits say that in the case of pardoning complicit cronies in order to silence them can be investigated if not overturned. And Rudy is in bigly trouble whether Donald pardons him or not in the State of NY.

Investigated YES, but the pardon itself is not subject to legal review or judgement. There was even a case made after Bill Clinton pardoned Marc Rich, that an ex-president, could be impeached after leaving office. Since one of the judgments of the senate would be to prohibit him from ever holding another federal office.

I don't think it likely in todays political climate, but there is an argument in that an ex-president remains on the federal payroll.

Irrelevant. Learn to read.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I have never heard Trump suggest a pardon for himsrlf. Are you accepting some democrat nonsense?

White house staff is revealing Trumps demands to the press.

Those anonymous sources again!

 

[meaner gene]

So does article 2 section 3 preclude the derailing of a legal judgement by precluding presidential pardons to those impeached?

He was acquitted so exactly NONE of that is applicable. You need to learn to read.

Trump remains in the history books with Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton as having been impeached.

 

[Ben Thomson]

Whether granted by himself (self pardon) or by Pence, or any future president, are such pardons prohibited by the Constitution?

US Constitution
Article 2 Section 2.
The President ,,, shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.

Article 1 Section 3
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

The constitution clearly believes those impeached should suffer the consequences of their actions through both a political and legal judgement. So does article 2 section 3 preclude the derailing of a legal judgement by precluding presidential pardons to those impeached?

I was wondering can a new POTUS revoke the pardons of the previous POTUS

You're getting a little carried away there, dude. Maybe he should actually be judged guilty of a crime before the question of a pardons is considered.

Not really. The POTUS can give a blanket pardon for any future potential charges.. What I do like is that by accepting a pardon you give up your 5th Amendment rights and have to testfy as a witness against any co-conspirators you may have been invoved with in commiting a crime.

 

[meaner gene]

... but there is an argument in that an ex-president remains on the federal payroll.

Irrelevant. Learn to read.

That is a requirement to impeachment, that the person be an officer of the government.

Article II, Section 4 provides: The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

 

[meaner gene]

White house staff is revealing Trumps demands to the press.

Those anonymous sources again!

The same ones mentioning pardons for those caught up in the Mueller investigation, from Flynn to Stone to Manafort.

 

[Canon Shooter]

Whether granted by himself (self pardon) or by Pence, or any future president, are such pardons prohibited by the Constitution?

US Constitution
Article 2 Section 2.
The President ,,, shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.

Article 1 Section 3
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

The constitution clearly believes those impeached should suffer the consequences of their actions through both a political and legal judgement. So does article 2 section 3 preclude the derailing of a legal judgement by precluding presidential pardons to those impeached?

What's that saying is that, if someone is being impeached (which is basically the same as being formally charged), the President cannot grant a pardon to circumvent that impeachment.

Trump was basically found to be not guilty of the charges against him. He doesn't need a pardon for that...

 

[9thIDdoc]

You're getting a little carried away there, dude. Maybe he should actually be judged guilty of a crime before the question of a pardons is considered.

Maybe you should look up Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford.

And the history of granting pardons before any guilt is legally established. And the US Supreme Courts ruling that pardons carry an inference of guilt on the part of the person receiving them.

I remember Nixon very well. Did his vice president ever get out of prison? Evidence of his crimes had become public knowledge when alleged conspirators were found guilty of crimes and sent to prison. It was obvious that he was about to be impeached and that the votes to do so were there. He resigned to avoid impeachment. Ford threatened to pardon him if he was found guilty of anything so there was no point in pressing charges. Quid pro quo to the max.. On the other hand President Trump had the balls to face his accusers and be exonerated of any crime. Big difference.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

So does article 2 section 3 preclude the derailing of a legal judgement by precluding presidential pardons to those impeached?

He was acquitted so exactly NONE of that is applicable. You need to learn to read.

Trump remains in the history books with Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton as having been impeached.

So? Not exactly a big deal when done with no bipartisan support!

 

[Canon Shooter]

There's no crime. Therefore no pardon.

Then why is Trump seeking to pardon himself?

When did he do that?

 

[Dragonlady]

You're getting a little carried away there, dude. Maybe he should actually be judged guilty of a crime before the question of a pardons is considered.

Trump was "Individual One" in the Cohen prosecutions: The person upon whose direction, and for whose benefit Cohen committed his illegal acts.

Trump has settled criminal cases in the past, without admitting guilt, by paying huge sums of money to make it go away, as in the Trump University case, but he was in fact guilty, and his settlement of the case is an admission of such. He's not allowed to be operate a charity or be a trustee for any individual or organization in the State of New York, because of illegal activity.

Trump told his staff that he would fight Mueller all the way, and if things got too hot for them, he'd just settle the case. They couldn't convince Trump that it wouldn't be possible to settle with Mueller.

 

[meaner gene]

I was wondering can a new POTUS revoke the pardons of the previous POTUS

Unlike executive orders, pardons are not subject to review or revocation.

There is one exception, involving a president can take back a pardon he signed, but before it's issued and accepted.

Issuance and Revocation of Pardon – Pardon and Parole

pardonandparole.uslegal.com

A pardon can be revoked by the officer or body granting it before delivery and acceptance. However, after its delivery and acceptance, a pardon cannot be revoked for any cause.

 

[TheGreatSatan]

Democrats, like their CCP counterparts, are going after all their political opponents. After they get Trump, they plan to move on to his supporters. They plan to charge them with treason.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

... but there is an argument in that an ex-president remains on the federal payroll.

Irrelevant. Learn to read.

That is a requirement to impeachment, that the person be an officer of the government.

Article II, Section 4 provides: The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Hey moron! He was acquitted, just like Bill Clinton and Andrew Johnson. None of your moronic reasoning is applicable!

 

[Canon Shooter]

I remember Nixon very well. Did his vice president ever get out of prison?

My grandfather (Mom's father) worked for Nixon so, even as a youngster (I think I was 11 when Agnew resigned), we were always aware of what was going on.

Agnew never went to prison. His plea deal guaranteed that...

 

[meaner gene]

... He resigned to avoid impeachment. Ford threatened to pardon him if he was found guilty of anything so there was no point in pressing charges. Quid pro quo to the max.. On the other hand President Trump had the balls to face his accusers and be exonerated of any crime. Big difference.

Actually Ford said he was granting a pardon in advance of any charges in order to keep the country from being dragged into such a legal case.

And Nixon may have been clever enough to know that the impeachment restriction on presidential pardon power meant had he been impeached, that Ford wouldn't be able to pardon him.

At least that appears to be how Nixon interpreted the law.