Islam and Mental Illness

[aris2chat]

When a person does something crazy, even violent and crazy - we usually accept that they are mentally ill. Our culture still has a long ways to go in regards to erasing the stigma of mental illness, and recognizing it as something that needs treatment - but it's come a long ways.

But, when that person is Muslim, there seems to be a double stigma attached to it. One: they are Muslim, and any crazy or violent behavior is blamed on their religion. Two: they are crazy, and mental illness still retains a huge stigma in the Muslim Community.

Take for example:

Amina Ali Ahra, who out of the blue grabbed a flag, and started attacking a nearby woman. She'd been reported as hanging around the area but did not live there, chased another woman into her house and when arrested was unable to give police coherent information. This sparked threads, claims of outrage directed at Muslim extremists and Muslims in general and immigrants in general, and in the end it was determined she had mental issues.

Nicholas Salvadore, who went on a bloody rampage, decapitating an elderly woman and two cats. Much was made of it as a religious terrorist attack because he was a Muslim. But, he was also mentally ill, and a paranoid schitzophrenic.

If they were not Muslim, it would quickly have been yesterday's news, no demands for "why isn't this in the news" etc. If they were not Muslim, people would have considered mental illness as a causative factor because the "religion thing" would not have been occupying so much headspace. It's also possible that if they hadn't been Muslim, their families and friends may have recognized signs and sought treatment in childhood before it erupted in to a tragedy.

‘Muslims must fight this taboo’ Islamic leaders want stigma around mental illness to end

Praising the Sunday Express for its Crusade for better mental health Shaykh Ibrahim Mogra, assistant Secretary-General for the Muslim Council of Britain, said feelings of shame, cultural and religious ignorance and a general lack of physical fitness meant that the rate of mental illness within Muslim communities far exceeded the three per cent national average.

In some quarters the situation was so bad that parents have banned schools from referring to their children as having special educational needs in awards ceremonies because of the perceived stigma involved, or feelings of personal guilt.

“Mental Illness still remains a taboo subject in Muslim communities and people are not seeking the help that is available. This is causing unnecessary distress to themselves and loved ones,” he said.

“Many parents try to keep mental illness with children hidden and under the radar. They don't want anyone to know. Sometimes they feel it's their fault, that as parents they are responsible for their children’s’ conditions. And others might agree.”​

Their women are treated like cattle, of course they are going to be messed up in the head.

The men are even worse. Probably the majority of Muslim men in ME countries engage in homosexual acts with young Muslim boys. Sexually abused and repressed people are very prone to mental issues, that's why the Islamic world is so fucked up everywhere around the world.

There is no indication that they have higher rates of mental illness than non-Muslims. But they still place a heavy stigma on it, and it's largely kept hidden and untreated.

Mental illness is untouchable or locked away. Till recently treatment was none existant.

 

[jillian]

now we're going to pretend that terrorists are just kooky?

 

[Coyote]

now we're going to pretend that terrorists are just kooky?

No.

We are talking about mental illness, and culture. Did you bother to look at the two specific examples I provided?

 

[Coyote]

When a person does something crazy, even violent and crazy - we usually accept that they are mentally ill. Our culture still has a long ways to go in regards to erasing the stigma of mental illness, and recognizing it as something that needs treatment - but it's come a long ways.

But, when that person is Muslim, there seems to be a double stigma attached to it. One: they are Muslim, and any crazy or violent behavior is blamed on their religion. Two: they are crazy, and mental illness still retains a huge stigma in the Muslim Community.

Take for example:

Amina Ali Ahra, who out of the blue grabbed a flag, and started attacking a nearby woman. She'd been reported as hanging around the area but did not live there, chased another woman into her house and when arrested was unable to give police coherent information. This sparked threads, claims of outrage directed at Muslim extremists and Muslims in general and immigrants in general, and in the end it was determined she had mental issues.

Nicholas Salvadore, who went on a bloody rampage, decapitating an elderly woman and two cats. Much was made of it as a religious terrorist attack because he was a Muslim. But, he was also mentally ill, and a paranoid schitzophrenic.

If they were not Muslim, it would quickly have been yesterday's news, no demands for "why isn't this in the news" etc. If they were not Muslim, people would have considered mental illness as a causative factor because the "religion thing" would not have been occupying so much headspace. It's also possible that if they hadn't been Muslim, their families and friends may have recognized signs and sought treatment in childhood before it erupted in to a tragedy.

‘Muslims must fight this taboo’ Islamic leaders want stigma around mental illness to end

Praising the Sunday Express for its Crusade for better mental health Shaykh Ibrahim Mogra, assistant Secretary-General for the Muslim Council of Britain, said feelings of shame, cultural and religious ignorance and a general lack of physical fitness meant that the rate of mental illness within Muslim communities far exceeded the three per cent national average.

In some quarters the situation was so bad that parents have banned schools from referring to their children as having special educational needs in awards ceremonies because of the perceived stigma involved, or feelings of personal guilt.

“Mental Illness still remains a taboo subject in Muslim communities and people are not seeking the help that is available. This is causing unnecessary distress to themselves and loved ones,” he said.

“Many parents try to keep mental illness with children hidden and under the radar. They don't want anyone to know. Sometimes they feel it's their fault, that as parents they are responsible for their children’s’ conditions. And others might agree.”​

Their women are treated like cattle, of course they are going to be messed up in the head.

The men are even worse. Probably the majority of Muslim men in ME countries engage in homosexual acts with young Muslim boys. Sexually abused and repressed people are very prone to mental issues, that's why the Islamic world is so fucked up everywhere around the world.

There is no indication that they have higher rates of mental illness than non-Muslims. But they still place a heavy stigma on it, and it's largely kept hidden and untreated.

Mental illness is untouchable or locked away. Till recently treatment was none existant.

More then that, many are still reluctant to recognize it as a disease on par with diabetes and cancer, a disease with a high mortality rate when untreated. They view it as a moral failing or demonic possession...

 

[Coyote]

When a person does something crazy, even violent and crazy - we usually accept that they are mentally ill. Our culture still has a long ways to go in regards to erasing the stigma of mental illness, and recognizing it as something that needs treatment - but it's come a long ways.

But, when that person is Muslim, there seems to be a double stigma attached to it. One: they are Muslim, and any crazy or violent behavior is blamed on their religion. Two: they are crazy, and mental illness still retains a huge stigma in the Muslim Community.

Take for example:

Amina Ali Ahra, who out of the blue grabbed a flag, and started attacking a nearby woman. She'd been reported as hanging around the area but did not live there, chased another woman into her house and when arrested was unable to give police coherent information. This sparked threads, claims of outrage directed at Muslim extremists and Muslims in general and immigrants in general, and in the end it was determined she had mental issues.

Nicholas Salvadore, who went on a bloody rampage, decapitating an elderly woman and two cats. Much was made of it as a religious terrorist attack because he was a Muslim. But, he was also mentally ill, and a paranoid schitzophrenic.

If they were not Muslim, it would quickly have been yesterday's news, no demands for "why isn't this in the news" etc. If they were not Muslim, people would have considered mental illness as a causative factor because the "religion thing" would not have been occupying so much headspace. It's also possible that if they hadn't been Muslim, their families and friends may have recognized signs and sought treatment in childhood before it erupted in to a tragedy.

‘Muslims must fight this taboo’ Islamic leaders want stigma around mental illness to end

Praising the Sunday Express for its Crusade for better mental health Shaykh Ibrahim Mogra, assistant Secretary-General for the Muslim Council of Britain, said feelings of shame, cultural and religious ignorance and a general lack of physical fitness meant that the rate of mental illness within Muslim communities far exceeded the three per cent national average.

In some quarters the situation was so bad that parents have banned schools from referring to their children as having special educational needs in awards ceremonies because of the perceived stigma involved, or feelings of personal guilt.

“Mental Illness still remains a taboo subject in Muslim communities and people are not seeking the help that is available. This is causing unnecessary distress to themselves and loved ones,” he said.

“Many parents try to keep mental illness with children hidden and under the radar. They don't want anyone to know. Sometimes they feel it's their fault, that as parents they are responsible for their children’s’ conditions. And others might agree.”​

You are REACHING

The mentally ill kill because the "voices" in their head tell them to. Muslims kill because you don't pray to Muhammad

In what way? I gave two specific examples.

 

[Coyote]

When a person does something crazy, even violent and crazy - we usually accept that they are mentally ill. Our culture still has a long ways to go in regards to erasing the stigma of mental illness, and recognizing it as something that needs treatment - but it's come a long ways.

But, when that person is Muslim, there seems to be a double stigma attached to it. One: they are Muslim, and any crazy or violent behavior is blamed on their religion. Two: they are crazy, and mental illness still retains a huge stigma in the Muslim Community.

Take for example:

Amina Ali Ahra, who out of the blue grabbed a flag, and started attacking a nearby woman. She'd been reported as hanging around the area but did not live there, chased another woman into her house and when arrested was unable to give police coherent information. This sparked threads, claims of outrage directed at Muslim extremists and Muslims in general and immigrants in general, and in the end it was determined she had mental issues.

Nicholas Salvadore, who went on a bloody rampage, decapitating an elderly woman and two cats. Much was made of it as a religious terrorist attack because he was a Muslim. But, he was also mentally ill, and a paranoid schitzophrenic.

If they were not Muslim, it would quickly have been yesterday's news, no demands for "why isn't this in the news" etc. If they were not Muslim, people would have considered mental illness as a causative factor because the "religion thing" would not have been occupying so much headspace. It's also possible that if they hadn't been Muslim, their families and friends may have recognized signs and sought treatment in childhood before it erupted in to a tragedy.

‘Muslims must fight this taboo’ Islamic leaders want stigma around mental illness to end

Praising the Sunday Express for its Crusade for better mental health Shaykh Ibrahim Mogra, assistant Secretary-General for the Muslim Council of Britain, said feelings of shame, cultural and religious ignorance and a general lack of physical fitness meant that the rate of mental illness within Muslim communities far exceeded the three per cent national average.

In some quarters the situation was so bad that parents have banned schools from referring to their children as having special educational needs in awards ceremonies because of the perceived stigma involved, or feelings of personal guilt.

“Mental Illness still remains a taboo subject in Muslim communities and people are not seeking the help that is available. This is causing unnecessary distress to themselves and loved ones,” he said.

“Many parents try to keep mental illness with children hidden and under the radar. They don't want anyone to know. Sometimes they feel it's their fault, that as parents they are responsible for their children’s’ conditions. And others might agree.”​

My Opinion:

Most mentally ill people are very religious to start with and combining their religious way of thinking and mental problems usually turn into a blood bath.

Mental illness need to be address but I also fanatical religion should also be focused on because it prey on the weak minded that have mental issues and look to religious guidance but instead get manipulated into believing in all the wrong things and going batshit crazy.

Omar Mateen was nuts and wanted to use his religion to justify his heinous acts against the people of Orlando.

Actually I would like someone to show me one Terrorist that was not mentally ill and when you do then you have taught me a lesson...

I would like for you to show me one Demonrat that supports them that isn't mentally ill...

Now let's talk about disarming the mentally ill, like the law requires...

What?

1. I am not a Democratic Party Voter, so please try again.

2. If you are going to claim everyone in one religion is mentally ill and demand they be disarmed, well Hitler would be so proud of you.

3. This country has a Constitution that allow the American Citizen certain rights and deny one group their rights because of your hatred of their religion, well is not going to happen even if Trump become President.

Now flame me all you want and call me a terrorist loving piece of shit and my opinion will never change because I can point out mentally ill retards that proclaim they killed in the name of Jesus, and you will just tell me how it is never the same.

So let cut the nonsense and I will write that I believe most mentally ill people are religious nuts that kill in the name of God because of their delusional way of thinking that is what God wants.

Again. There is a difference between the mentally ill nut job who shoots his mommy then goes on a rampage...

And the young muslim men who are groomed, funded, and trained to infiltrate our society for the express purpose of killing us and bringing the US under Sharia law.

I think it's a little too simplistic to say that all of the Islamic Terrorists are mentally ill.

If you read The Qu'ran, there are more than 150 passages that call for violence and death to Infidels, this is preached to them, since the 7th Century in the Mosques and also probably in the home.

Here are just some of them.

Islam isn't a religion, it's a full-spectrum political philosophy and it's aim is domination. Islam itself means "submission" and/or "submit", meaning you must submit to IT or else you're an Infidel.

No one said all terrorists are mentally ill nor am I trying to make that claim. Look at the two examples I gave. Both were given a lot of hoopla for being Muslim extremists but they were mentally ill.

 

[Coyote]

When a person does something crazy, even violent and crazy - we usually accept that they are mentally ill. Our culture still has a long ways to go in regards to erasing the stigma of mental illness, and recognizing it as something that needs treatment - but it's come a long ways.

But, when that person is Muslim, there seems to be a double stigma attached to it. One: they are Muslim, and any crazy or violent behavior is blamed on their religion. Two: they are crazy, and mental illness still retains a huge stigma in the Muslim Community.

Take for example:

Amina Ali Ahra, who out of the blue grabbed a flag, and started attacking a nearby woman. She'd been reported as hanging around the area but did not live there, chased another woman into her house and when arrested was unable to give police coherent information. This sparked threads, claims of outrage directed at Muslim extremists and Muslims in general and immigrants in general, and in the end it was determined she had mental issues.

Nicholas Salvadore, who went on a bloody rampage, decapitating an elderly woman and two cats. Much was made of it as a religious terrorist attack because he was a Muslim. But, he was also mentally ill, and a paranoid schitzophrenic.

If they were not Muslim, it would quickly have been yesterday's news, no demands for "why isn't this in the news" etc. If they were not Muslim, people would have considered mental illness as a causative factor because the "religion thing" would not have been occupying so much headspace. It's also possible that if they hadn't been Muslim, their families and friends may have recognized signs and sought treatment in childhood before it erupted in to a tragedy.

‘Muslims must fight this taboo’ Islamic leaders want stigma around mental illness to end

Praising the Sunday Express for its Crusade for better mental health Shaykh Ibrahim Mogra, assistant Secretary-General for the Muslim Council of Britain, said feelings of shame, cultural and religious ignorance and a general lack of physical fitness meant that the rate of mental illness within Muslim communities far exceeded the three per cent national average.

In some quarters the situation was so bad that parents have banned schools from referring to their children as having special educational needs in awards ceremonies because of the perceived stigma involved, or feelings of personal guilt.

“Mental Illness still remains a taboo subject in Muslim communities and people are not seeking the help that is available. This is causing unnecessary distress to themselves and loved ones,” he said.

“Many parents try to keep mental illness with children hidden and under the radar. They don't want anyone to know. Sometimes they feel it's their fault, that as parents they are responsible for their children’s’ conditions. And others might agree.”​

My Opinion:

Most mentally ill people are very religious to start with and combining their religious way of thinking and mental problems usually turn into a blood bath.

Mental illness need to be address but I also fanatical religion should also be focused on because it prey on the weak minded that have mental issues and look to religious guidance but instead get manipulated into believing in all the wrong things and going batshit crazy.

Omar Mateen was nuts and wanted to use his religion to justify his heinous acts against the people of Orlando.

Actually I would like someone to show me one Terrorist that was not mentally ill and when you do then you have taught me a lesson...

I would like for you to show me one Demonrat that supports them that isn't mentally ill...

Now let's talk about disarming the mentally ill, like the law requires...

What?

1. I am not a Democratic Party Voter, so please try again.

2. If you are going to claim everyone in one religion is mentally ill and demand they be disarmed, well Hitler would be so proud of you.

3. This country has a Constitution that allow the American Citizen certain rights and deny one group their rights because of your hatred of their religion, well is not going to happen even if Trump become President.

Now flame me all you want and call me a terrorist loving piece of shit and my opinion will never change because I can point out mentally ill retards that proclaim they killed in the name of Jesus, and you will just tell me how it is never the same.

So let cut the nonsense and I will write that I believe most mentally ill people are religious nuts that kill in the name of God because of their delusional way of thinking that is what God wants.

Again. There is a difference between the mentally ill nut job who shoots his mommy then goes on a rampage...

And the young muslim men who are groomed, funded, and trained to infiltrate our society for the express purpose of killing us and bringing the US under Sharia law.

YES there is, but why is it you don't recognize that when it comes to muslims?

 

[skye]

ok I get it now

so ALL Islam is fucked in the head?


is that it?


yes it is.

 

[Coyote]

So for the record Coyote is convinced that all Muslim terrorists are mentally ill. I find it amusing that all of them say and do the exact same things, they justify their crimes against gays and infidels by shouting Allahabad Akbar. So what makes all Muslim terrorists crazy? Is it the religion?

For the record, your reading skills are sub par.

 

[Coyote]

When a person does something crazy, even violent and crazy - we usually accept that they are mentally ill. Our culture still has a long ways to go in regards to erasing the stigma of mental illness, and recognizing it as something that needs treatment - but it's come a long ways.

But, when that person is Muslim, there seems to be a double stigma attached to it. One: they are Muslim, and any crazy or violent behavior is blamed on their religion. Two: they are crazy, and mental illness still retains a huge stigma in the Muslim Community.

Take for example:

Amina Ali Ahra, who out of the blue grabbed a flag, and started attacking a nearby woman. She'd been reported as hanging around the area but did not live there, chased another woman into her house and when arrested was unable to give police coherent information. This sparked threads, claims of outrage directed at Muslim extremists and Muslims in general and immigrants in general, and in the end it was determined she had mental issues.

Nicholas Salvadore, who went on a bloody rampage, decapitating an elderly woman and two cats. Much was made of it as a religious terrorist attack because he was a Muslim. But, he was also mentally ill, and a paranoid schitzophrenic.

If they were not Muslim, it would quickly have been yesterday's news, no demands for "why isn't this in the news" etc. If they were not Muslim, people would have considered mental illness as a causative factor because the "religion thing" would not have been occupying so much headspace. It's also possible that if they hadn't been Muslim, their families and friends may have recognized signs and sought treatment in childhood before it erupted in to a tragedy.

‘Muslims must fight this taboo’ Islamic leaders want stigma around mental illness to end

Praising the Sunday Express for its Crusade for better mental health Shaykh Ibrahim Mogra, assistant Secretary-General for the Muslim Council of Britain, said feelings of shame, cultural and religious ignorance and a general lack of physical fitness meant that the rate of mental illness within Muslim communities far exceeded the three per cent national average.

In some quarters the situation was so bad that parents have banned schools from referring to their children as having special educational needs in awards ceremonies because of the perceived stigma involved, or feelings of personal guilt.

“Mental Illness still remains a taboo subject in Muslim communities and people are not seeking the help that is available. This is causing unnecessary distress to themselves and loved ones,” he said.

“Many parents try to keep mental illness with children hidden and under the radar. They don't want anyone to know. Sometimes they feel it's their fault, that as parents they are responsible for their children’s’ conditions. And others might agree.”​

My Opinion:

Most mentally ill people are very religious to start with and combining their religious way of thinking and mental problems usually turn into a blood bath.

Mental illness need to be address but I also fanatical religion should also be focused on because it prey on the weak minded that have mental issues and look to religious guidance but instead get manipulated into believing in all the wrong things and going batshit crazy.

Omar Mateen was nuts and wanted to use his religion to justify his heinous acts against the people of Orlando.

Actually I would like someone to show me one Terrorist that was not mentally ill and when you do then you have taught me a lesson...

You don't think people can be driven by pure hatred? I do

Of course. It's right here.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

ok I get it now

so ALL Islam is fucked in the head?


is that it?


yes it is.

Pretty much.

 

[skye]

Islam likes to chop heads ...not in the past ...well the past too...

but today

they are a sick and violent religion

They have to be eliminated.....so to speak

otherwise ....they... will eliminate us ....by us I mean the West ...Christians. Jews, Buddhists etc..

 

[Coyote]

So for the record Coyote is convinced that all Muslim terrorists are mentally ill. I find it amusing that all of them say and do the exact same things, they justify their crimes against gays and infidels by shouting Allahabad Akbar. So what makes all Muslim terrorists crazy? Is it the religion?

Most mentally ill people are more likely to be the victim of crime rather than carefully plot and execute plans to conduct slaughter en masse.

Actually, Tilly, both are true. Most of the recent mass killings have involved mentally ill people (in the US): Sandy Hook, the Aurora theatre, VA tech, Gabby Gifford. It's also true they represent a disproportionate number of victims of violence.

Why is it that when the perpetrators are muslim, such as the two examples I gave in the OP, mental illness is discounted?

 

[Coyote]

Islam likes to chop heads ...not in the past ...well the past too...

but today

they are a sick and violent religion

They have to be eliminated.....so to speak

otherwise ....they... will eliminate us ....by us I mean the West ...Christians. Jews, Buddhists etc..

Oh great. Now we have people advocating genocide.

 

[Alex.]

Islam likes to chop heads ...not in the past ...well the past too...

but today

they are a sick and violent religion

They have to be eliminated.....so to speak

otherwise ....they... will eliminate us ....by us I mean the West ...Christians. Jews, Buddhists etc..

That is a recognized means of execution employed by some who claim to practice Islam. Head loppers.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Islam likes to chop heads ...not in the past ...well the past too...

but today

they are a sick and violent religion

They have to be eliminated.....so to speak

otherwise ....they... will eliminate us ....by us I mean the West ...Christians. Jews, Buddhists etc..

Oh great. Now we have people advocating genocide.

America was built on Genocide, so why would it surprise anyone that some would advocate it in today time?

Before someone claims this country ( America ) never Genocide then remember the Native Population that was slaughter because the great white society consider them to be savages and heathens...

The thing is the fools that believe that denying the rights of someone base on their religion are playing into the hands of those that want to kill them and offering new recruits to our enemies, but the blind will never see this nor will they ever understand this...

The World need another World War so it can remove it head from it ass and discover all sides are ignorant fools stuck on their foolish idealism and never realizing reality...

Now let me allow the great minds of this board blast me a new one and brand me a terrorist loving fool that drink the bath water of Hillary Clinton...

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Islam likes to chop heads ...not in the past ...well the past too...

but today

they are a sick and violent religion

They have to be eliminated.....so to speak

otherwise ....they... will eliminate us ....by us I mean the West ...Christians. Jews, Buddhists etc..

Oh great. Now we have people advocating genocide.

Not necessary. I just posted a thread with a very bloodless solution. Some may think it's a joke, but I seriously hope Congress considers it.

 

[Alex.]

The sentiment seems wide spread....who knew?

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Islam likes to chop heads ...not in the past ...well the past too...

but today

they are a sick and violent religion

They have to be eliminated.....so to speak

otherwise ....they... will eliminate us ....by us I mean the West ...Christians. Jews, Buddhists etc..

Oh great. Now we have people advocating genocide.

America was built on Genocide, so why would it surprise anyone that some would advocate it in today time?

Before someone claims this country ( America ) never Genocide then remember the Native Population that was slaughter because the great white society consider them to be savages and heathens...

The thing is the fools that believe that denying the rights of someone base on their religion are playing into the hands of those that want to kill them and offering new recruits to our enemies, but the blind will never see this nor will they ever understand this...

The World need another World War so it can remove it head from it ass and discover all sides are ignorant fools stuck on their foolish idealism and never realizing reality...

Now let me allow the great minds of this board blast me a new one and brand me a terrorist loving fool that drink the bath water of Hillary Clinton...

^^^^^ jackass ^^^^^

 

[Coyote]

The article in the OP was interesting, particularly in relation to the two examples I gave and the way certain people immediately ignored those examples and jumped to terrorists. Mental illness is a serious issue and its one that I have advocated for across these boards for years, irrespective of Islam. It's the only disease that still holds a powerful stigma that prevents it's sufferers from seeking treatment. It's the only disease that is often seen as a failure of character. It's the only disease that is still often not recognized as a disease by families, who won't seek appropriate treatment. It is also the first casualty of funding cuts. Cut funds for cancer? Hell no!

The Orlando shooter was not a radical according to authorities. There was no evidence of radicalization. There were multiple accounts describing him as unstable, violent, erratic. That doesn't come out of the blue. Family had to have noticed these behaviors. His ex wife and current wife did. But all his father would say was he got angry at two men kissing. If, in Islamic culture mental illness were not such a taboo, could some intervention have occurred before the tragedy?

Maybe not, but the fact that there is a cultural reluctance to address mental illness speaks volumes. As does the reluctance of those who refuse to even consider mental illness when the perpetrator is Muslim (as in the two examples I gave).