Islam and Mental Illness

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

The article in the OP was interesting, particularly in relation to the two examples I gave and the way certain people immediately ignored those examples and jumped to terrorists. Mental illness is a serious issue and its one that I have advocated for across these boards for years, irrespective of Islam. It's the only disease that still holds a powerful stigma that prevents it's sufferers from seeking treatment. It's the only disease that is often seen as a failure of character. It's the only disease that is still often not recognized as a disease by families, who won't seek appropriate treatment. It is also the first casualty of funding cuts. Cut funds for cancer? Hell no!

The Orlando shooter was not a radical according to authorities. There was no evidence of radicalization. There were multiple accounts describing him as unstable, violent, erratic. That doesn't come out of the blue. Family had to have noticed these behaviors. His ex wife and current wife did. But all his father would say was he got angry at two men kissing. If, in Islamic culture mental illness were not such a taboo, could some intervention have occurred before the tragedy?

Maybe not, but the fact that there is a cultural reluctance to address mental illness speaks volumes. As does the reluctance of those who refuse to even consider mental illness when the perpetrator is Muslim (as in the two examples I gave).

Who goes to a doctor complaining of thoughts of jihad when he knows that doctor will go directly to the FBI?

 

[flacaltenn]

So for the record Coyote is convinced that all Muslim terrorists are mentally ill. I find it amusing that all of them say and do the exact same things, they justify their crimes against gays and infidels by shouting Allahabad Akbar. So what makes all Muslim terrorists crazy? Is it the religion?

Most mentally ill people are more likely to be the victim of crime rather than carefully plot and execute plans to conduct slaughter en masse.

Actually, Tilly, both are true. Most of the recent mass killings have involved mentally ill people (in the US): Sandy Hook, the Aurora theatre, VA tech, Gabby Gifford. It's also true they represent a disproportionate number of victims of violence.

Why is it that when the perpetrators are muslim, such as the two examples I gave in the OP, mental illness is discounted?

This COULD be because we no longer trust our government to play "sanctuary country" with our security. Along with the examples in the OP -- news this week that 10 immigrant Somalis were tried in just ONE Minnesota city. 6 plead guilty to conspiring to join ISIS and 3 more of the 10 were convicted. The 10th is believed to already be in the Mid East with ISIS.

So -- we can't trust that Federal "heroic liberal altruism" is screening refugees for mental illness or relations to violent orgs, or any NUMBER of things that we would expect them to... And just observing a lot of these cultures that we are putting in the EXPRESS immigration lane -- in their natural HOME cultures -- would fit any definition of mental illness, scientific or layperson wise. Such is the state of these theocratic tyrannical piss pits.

Why are we ALLOWING the mentally ill and folks prone to supporting ISIS INTO this country in the 1st place?
That's where your pushback is coming from..

If it was up to me.. We'd treat terrorist sympathizers like organized crime. And make it illegal for them to even pledge allegiance or CONTACT these orgs. That way the 10 Minnesota Somalis would be facing deportation and/or enhanced jail time and the PEOPLE of America would demand better screening for these "feel good" programs.

THEN -- I could be MUCH MORE open to talking about generous immigration from these diseased areas of the world..

 

[flacaltenn]

It's another case of the government CREATING an immigration problem that they can paint as a "bigot vs altruism" war to divide us. Same deal with Mex immigration. Enforce the damn law that hiring illegals IS illegal and that problem would stop tomorrow. No wall required. But POLITICAL agendas WANT that problem to fester.

 

[Coyote]

So for the record Coyote is convinced that all Muslim terrorists are mentally ill. I find it amusing that all of them say and do the exact same things, they justify their crimes against gays and infidels by shouting Allahabad Akbar. So what makes all Muslim terrorists crazy? Is it the religion?

Most mentally ill people are more likely to be the victim of crime rather than carefully plot and execute plans to conduct slaughter en masse.

Actually, Tilly, both are true. Most of the recent mass killings have involved mentally ill people (in the US): Sandy Hook, the Aurora theatre, VA tech, Gabby Gifford. It's also true they represent a disproportionate number of victims of violence.

Why is it that when the perpetrators are muslim, such as the two examples I gave in the OP, mental illness is discounted?

This COULD be because we no longer trust our government to play "sanctuary country" with our security. Along with the examples in the OP -- news this week that 10 immigrant Somalis were tried in just ONE Minnesota city. 6 plead guilty to conspiring to join ISIS and 3 more of the 10 were convicted. The 10th is believed to already be in the Mid East with ISIS.

So -- we can't trust that Federal "heroic liberal altruism" is screening refugees for mental illness or relations to violent orgs, or any NUMBER of things that we would expect them to... And just observing a lot of these cultures that we are putting in the EXPRESS immigration lane -- in their natural HOME cultures -- would fit any definition of mental illness, scientific or layperson wise. Such is the state of these theocratic tyrannical piss pits.

Why are we ALLOWING the mentally ill and folks prone to supporting ISIS INTO this country in the 1st place?
That's where your pushback is coming from..

If it was up to me.. We'd treat terrorist sympathizers like organized crime. And make it illegal for them to even pledge allegiance or CONTACT these orgs. That way the 10 Minnesota Somalis would be facing deportation and enhanced jail time and the PEOPLE of America would demand better screening for these "feel good" programs.

THEN -- I could be MUCH MORE open to talking about generous immigration from these diseased areas of the world..

So it works. They were identified and caught and most likely, with the help of the immigrant community (according to the FBI they get a lot of tips from the immigrant and muslim communities).

Secondly, what makes you think mentally ill people are being "allowed" in? Mental illness isn't always apparent.

 

[flacaltenn]

The article in the OP was interesting, particularly in relation to the two examples I gave and the way certain people immediately ignored those examples and jumped to terrorists. Mental illness is a serious issue and its one that I have advocated for across these boards for years, irrespective of Islam. It's the only disease that still holds a powerful stigma that prevents it's sufferers from seeking treatment. It's the only disease that is often seen as a failure of character. It's the only disease that is still often not recognized as a disease by families, who won't seek appropriate treatment. It is also the first casualty of funding cuts. Cut funds for cancer? Hell no!

The Orlando shooter was not a radical according to authorities. There was no evidence of radicalization. There were multiple accounts describing him as unstable, violent, erratic. That doesn't come out of the blue. Family had to have noticed these behaviors. His ex wife and current wife did. But all his father would say was he got angry at two men kissing. If, in Islamic culture mental illness were not such a taboo, could some intervention have occurred before the tragedy?

Maybe not, but the fact that there is a cultural reluctance to address mental illness speaks volumes. As does the reluctance of those who refuse to even consider mental illness when the perpetrator is Muslim (as in the two examples I gave).

Are you saying his repeated pledges of allegiance to Al Baghdadi and ISIS were a sign of mental illness? It was his FATHER who was certifiably crazy. He was a Federal rescue from Afghan when the US SUPPORTED the Taliban back in the 80s.. His entire lIfe was built around believing he would return to Afghan as a Taliban leader. And the US played along with his "delusions".. That's not mental illness in the son. That is the CULTURE he was raised in.

 

[Coyote]

The article in the OP was interesting, particularly in relation to the two examples I gave and the way certain people immediately ignored those examples and jumped to terrorists. Mental illness is a serious issue and its one that I have advocated for across these boards for years, irrespective of Islam. It's the only disease that still holds a powerful stigma that prevents it's sufferers from seeking treatment. It's the only disease that is often seen as a failure of character. It's the only disease that is still often not recognized as a disease by families, who won't seek appropriate treatment. It is also the first casualty of funding cuts. Cut funds for cancer? Hell no!

The Orlando shooter was not a radical according to authorities. There was no evidence of radicalization. There were multiple accounts describing him as unstable, violent, erratic. That doesn't come out of the blue. Family had to have noticed these behaviors. His ex wife and current wife did. But all his father would say was he got angry at two men kissing. If, in Islamic culture mental illness were not such a taboo, could some intervention have occurred before the tragedy?

Maybe not, but the fact that there is a cultural reluctance to address mental illness speaks volumes. As does the reluctance of those who refuse to even consider mental illness when the perpetrator is Muslim (as in the two examples I gave).

Are you saying his repeated pledges of allegiance to Al Baghdadi and ISIS were a sign of mental illness? It was his FATHER who was certifiably crazy. He was a Federal rescue from Afghan when the US SUPPORTED the Taliban back in the 80s.. His entire lIfe was built around believing he would return to Afghan as a Taliban leader. And the US played along with his "delusions".. That's not mental illness in the son. That is the CULTURE he was raised in.

I'm repeating what investigators said. I'm on my phone and can't cut and paste, but Google it.

I agree culture plays a role, including one in which mental illness is recognized and treated. The son was described by multiple people as erratic, violent, explosive, controlling.

 

[flacaltenn]

So for the record Coyote is convinced that all Muslim terrorists are mentally ill. I find it amusing that all of them say and do the exact same things, they justify their crimes against gays and infidels by shouting Allahabad Akbar. So what makes all Muslim terrorists crazy? Is it the religion?

Most mentally ill people are more likely to be the victim of crime rather than carefully plot and execute plans to conduct slaughter en masse.

Actually, Tilly, both are true. Most of the recent mass killings have involved mentally ill people (in the US): Sandy Hook, the Aurora theatre, VA tech, Gabby Gifford. It's also true they represent a disproportionate number of victims of violence.

Why is it that when the perpetrators are muslim, such as the two examples I gave in the OP, mental illness is discounted?

This COULD be because we no longer trust our government to play "sanctuary country" with our security. Along with the examples in the OP -- news this week that 10 immigrant Somalis were tried in just ONE Minnesota city. 6 plead guilty to conspiring to join ISIS and 3 more of the 10 were convicted. The 10th is believed to already be in the Mid East with ISIS.

So -- we can't trust that Federal "heroic liberal altruism" is screening refugees for mental illness or relations to violent orgs, or any NUMBER of things that we would expect them to... And just observing a lot of these cultures that we are putting in the EXPRESS immigration lane -- in their natural HOME cultures -- would fit any definition of mental illness, scientific or layperson wise. Such is the state of these theocratic tyrannical piss pits.

Why are we ALLOWING the mentally ill and folks prone to supporting ISIS INTO this country in the 1st place?
That's where your pushback is coming from..

If it was up to me.. We'd treat terrorist sympathizers like organized crime. And make it illegal for them to even pledge allegiance or CONTACT these orgs. That way the 10 Minnesota Somalis would be facing deportation and enhanced jail time and the PEOPLE of America would demand better screening for these "feel good" programs.

THEN -- I could be MUCH MORE open to talking about generous immigration from these diseased areas of the world..

So it works. They were identified and caught and most likely, with the help of the immigrant community (according to the FBI they get a lot of tips from the immigrant and muslim communities).

Secondly, what makes you think mentally ill people are being "allowed" in? Mental illness isn't always apparent.

No... It DOESN'T work. THey should be deported. They should be declared in violation of their immigration status and RETURNED to Somalia.

As far as screening for mental illness. I just told you. BY OBSERVATION, the cultures these people come from FIT the very definition of MULTIPLE mental illnesses. Cultures where ritual honor killings, stoning, and amputations are public events. MASS psychotic killing, legal humiliation and mutilation, and systemic hate taught in schools. That IS demented -- is it not???

 

[flacaltenn]

The article in the OP was interesting, particularly in relation to the two examples I gave and the way certain people immediately ignored those examples and jumped to terrorists. Mental illness is a serious issue and its one that I have advocated for across these boards for years, irrespective of Islam. It's the only disease that still holds a powerful stigma that prevents it's sufferers from seeking treatment. It's the only disease that is often seen as a failure of character. It's the only disease that is still often not recognized as a disease by families, who won't seek appropriate treatment. It is also the first casualty of funding cuts. Cut funds for cancer? Hell no!

The Orlando shooter was not a radical according to authorities. There was no evidence of radicalization. There were multiple accounts describing him as unstable, violent, erratic. That doesn't come out of the blue. Family had to have noticed these behaviors. His ex wife and current wife did. But all his father would say was he got angry at two men kissing. If, in Islamic culture mental illness were not such a taboo, could some intervention have occurred before the tragedy?

Maybe not, but the fact that there is a cultural reluctance to address mental illness speaks volumes. As does the reluctance of those who refuse to even consider mental illness when the perpetrator is Muslim (as in the two examples I gave).

Are you saying his repeated pledges of allegiance to Al Baghdadi and ISIS were a sign of mental illness? It was his FATHER who was certifiably crazy. He was a Federal rescue from Afghan when the US SUPPORTED the Taliban back in the 80s.. His entire lIfe was built around believing he would return to Afghan as a Taliban leader. And the US played along with his "delusions".. That's not mental illness in the son. That is the CULTURE he was raised in.

I'm repeating what investigators said. I'm on my phone and can't cut and paste, but Google it.

I agree culture plays a role, including one in which mental illness is recognized and treated. The son was described by multiple people as erratic, violent, explosive, controlling.

Those descriptions are a warning sign. It is NOT a diagnosis of mental illness. That's the definition of a good NFL Linebacker..

 

[Coyote]

The article in the OP was interesting, particularly in relation to the two examples I gave and the way certain people immediately ignored those examples and jumped to terrorists. Mental illness is a serious issue and its one that I have advocated for across these boards for years, irrespective of Islam. It's the only disease that still holds a powerful stigma that prevents it's sufferers from seeking treatment. It's the only disease that is often seen as a failure of character. It's the only disease that is still often not recognized as a disease by families, who won't seek appropriate treatment. It is also the first casualty of funding cuts. Cut funds for cancer? Hell no!

The Orlando shooter was not a radical according to authorities. There was no evidence of radicalization. There were multiple accounts describing him as unstable, violent, erratic. That doesn't come out of the blue. Family had to have noticed these behaviors. His ex wife and current wife did. But all his father would say was he got angry at two men kissing. If, in Islamic culture mental illness were not such a taboo, could some intervention have occurred before the tragedy?

Maybe not, but the fact that there is a cultural reluctance to address mental illness speaks volumes. As does the reluctance of those who refuse to even consider mental illness when the perpetrator is Muslim (as in the two examples I gave).

Are you saying his repeated pledges of allegiance to Al Baghdadi and ISIS were a sign of mental illness? It was his FATHER who was certifiably crazy. He was a Federal rescue from Afghan when the US SUPPORTED the Taliban back in the 80s.. His entire lIfe was built around believing he would return to Afghan as a Taliban leader. And the US played along with his "delusions".. That's not mental illness in the son. That is the CULTURE he was raised in.

I'm repeating what investigators said. I'm on my phone and can't cut and paste, but Google it.

I agree culture plays a role, including one in which mental illness is recognized and treated. The son was described by multiple people as erratic, violent, explosive, controlling.

Those descriptions are a warning sign. It is NOT a diagnosis of mental illness. That's the definition of a good NFL Linebacker..

I think explosive and erratic can be a warning sign of somethong wrong, or maybe steroid use.

I did not say diagnosis.
But if the culture is to hide mental illness then who knows?

 

[yiostheoy]

There's nothing to understand, aside from THEY WANT TO KILL US and bring the entire world under sharia law. It doesn't matter that they don't ALL want this (though of course the vast majority do, we all know it, they even admit it). The sharia law thing in and of itself should be enough to make it illegal for them (any of them) to come into this country, let alone settle here on OUR dime. Their faith and their beliefs will not work in a free society. They are free to believe as they choose..but they can't come here and expect us to accommodate their beliefs because their beliefs pose a threat to the safety and stability of our country and our citizens.

Morons like coyote think that the US is a fucking toilet where we are obliged to let any idiot in who can get his diseased ass over the border, and let them attack our citizens and our systems. If they want to attack our citizens and our systems, then they are ENEMIES and we need to protect ourselves from them.

That means shut the borders. Fuck Islam.

My nearest neighbor and I were discussing this today. His fiancée left on a flight for the East Coast today. Naturally he is worried about airport terrorism.

We traced the entire issue back first to Harry Truman who concluded that it was politically necessary to align with the new State Of Israel due to the high American Jewish minority.

This situation then got worse when GW Bush invaded Iraq and got Saddam killed. Saddam had been a fairly faithful ally and was keeping the sh!t hole of Iraq under control. Look at it now.

At any rate we concluded that if a bunch of bombers attacked and airport entrance there is nothing you can do about it except run like a rat.

And the best thing is to avoid nightclubs. Nightclubs have beep prime targets for Islamists because they represent decadent congregations of fornication and adultery. So stick with speed dating.

And avoid airports as much as you can.

 

[Coyote]

So for the record Coyote is convinced that all Muslim terrorists are mentally ill. I find it amusing that all of them say and do the exact same things, they justify their crimes against gays and infidels by shouting Allahabad Akbar. So what makes all Muslim terrorists crazy? Is it the religion?

Most mentally ill people are more likely to be the victim of crime rather than carefully plot and execute plans to conduct slaughter en masse.

Actually, Tilly, both are true. Most of the recent mass killings have involved mentally ill people (in the US): Sandy Hook, the Aurora theatre, VA tech, Gabby Gifford. It's also true they represent a disproportionate number of victims of violence.

Why is it that when the perpetrators are muslim, such as the two examples I gave in the OP, mental illness is discounted?

This COULD be because we no longer trust our government to play "sanctuary country" with our security. Along with the examples in the OP -- news this week that 10 immigrant Somalis were tried in just ONE Minnesota city. 6 plead guilty to conspiring to join ISIS and 3 more of the 10 were convicted. The 10th is believed to already be in the Mid East with ISIS.

So -- we can't trust that Federal "heroic liberal altruism" is screening refugees for mental illness or relations to violent orgs, or any NUMBER of things that we would expect them to... And just observing a lot of these cultures that we are putting in the EXPRESS immigration lane -- in their natural HOME cultures -- would fit any definition of mental illness, scientific or layperson wise. Such is the state of these theocratic tyrannical piss pits.

Why are we ALLOWING the mentally ill and folks prone to supporting ISIS INTO this country in the 1st place?
That's where your pushback is coming from..

If it was up to me.. We'd treat terrorist sympathizers like organized crime. And make it illegal for them to even pledge allegiance or CONTACT these orgs. That way the 10 Minnesota Somalis would be facing deportation and enhanced jail time and the PEOPLE of America would demand better screening for these "feel good" programs.

THEN -- I could be MUCH MORE open to talking about generous immigration from these diseased areas of the world..

So it works. They were identified and caught and most likely, with the help of the immigrant community (according to the FBI they get a lot of tips from the immigrant and muslim communities).

Secondly, what makes you think mentally ill people are being "allowed" in? Mental illness isn't always apparent.

No... It DOESN'T work. THey should be deported. They should be declared in violation of their immigration status and RETURNED to Somalia.[ /quote]

As opposed to prosecution?

As far as screening for mental illness. I just told you. BY OBSERVATION, the cultures these people come from FIT the very definition of MULTIPLE mental illnesses. Cultures where ritual honor killings, stoning, and amputations are public events. MASS psychotic killing, legal humiliation and mutilation, and systemic hate taught in schools. That IS demented -- is it not???

It would be IF what you said was accurate. If those things were as common as sensationalist media portrays (
the same media vilified for blatent inaccuracies).

Unfortunately it is not mental illness, which is an organic brain disease.

 

[Coyote]

There's nothing to understand, aside from THEY WANT TO KILL US and bring the entire world under sharia law. It doesn't matter that they don't ALL want this (though of course the vast majority do, we all know it, they even admit it). The sharia law thing in and of itself should be enough to make it illegal for them (any of them) to come into this country, let alone settle here on OUR dime. Their faith and their beliefs will not work in a free society. They are free to believe as they choose..but they can't come here and expect us to accommodate their beliefs because their beliefs pose a threat to the safety and stability of our country and our citizens.

Morons like coyote think that the US is a fucking toilet where we are obliged to let any idiot in who can get his diseased ass over the border, and let them attack our citizens and our systems. If they want to attack our citizens and our systems, then they are ENEMIES and we need to protect ourselves from them.

That means shut the borders. Fuck Islam.

My nearest neighbor and I were discussing this today. His fiancée left on a flight for the East Coast today. Naturally he is worried about airport terrorism.

We traced the entire issue back first to Harry Truman who concluded that it was politically necessary to align with the new State Of Israel due to the high American Jewish minority.

This situation then got worse when GW Bush invaded Iraq and got Saddam killed. Saddam had been a fairly faithful ally and was keeping the sh!t hole of Iraq under control. Look at it now.

At any rate we concluded that if a bunch of bombers attacked and airport entrance there is nothing you can do about it except run like a rat.

And the best thing is to avoid nightclubs. Nightclubs have beep prime targets for Islamists because they represent decadent congregations of fornication and adultery. So stick with speed dating.

And avoid airports as much as you can.

Seriouzly...why?

You are worried about a very rare event. You are more likely to be hit you lightening or run over by a car.

 

[flacaltenn]

The article in the OP was interesting, particularly in relation to the two examples I gave and the way certain people immediately ignored those examples and jumped to terrorists. Mental illness is a serious issue and its one that I have advocated for across these boards for years, irrespective of Islam. It's the only disease that still holds a powerful stigma that prevents it's sufferers from seeking treatment. It's the only disease that is often seen as a failure of character. It's the only disease that is still often not recognized as a disease by families, who won't seek appropriate treatment. It is also the first casualty of funding cuts. Cut funds for cancer? Hell no!

The Orlando shooter was not a radical according to authorities. There was no evidence of radicalization. There were multiple accounts describing him as unstable, violent, erratic. That doesn't come out of the blue. Family had to have noticed these behaviors. His ex wife and current wife did. But all his father would say was he got angry at two men kissing. If, in Islamic culture mental illness were not such a taboo, could some intervention have occurred before the tragedy?

Maybe not, but the fact that there is a cultural reluctance to address mental illness speaks volumes. As does the reluctance of those who refuse to even consider mental illness when the perpetrator is Muslim (as in the two examples I gave).

Are you saying his repeated pledges of allegiance to Al Baghdadi and ISIS were a sign of mental illness? It was his FATHER who was certifiably crazy. He was a Federal rescue from Afghan when the US SUPPORTED the Taliban back in the 80s.. His entire lIfe was built around believing he would return to Afghan as a Taliban leader. And the US played along with his "delusions".. That's not mental illness in the son. That is the CULTURE he was raised in.

I'm repeating what investigators said. I'm on my phone and can't cut and paste, but Google it.

I agree culture plays a role, including one in which mental illness is recognized and treated. The son was described by multiple people as erratic, violent, explosive, controlling.

Those descriptions are a warning sign. It is NOT a diagnosis of mental illness. That's the definition of a good NFL Linebacker..

I think explosive and erratic can be a warning sign of somethong wrong, or maybe steroid use.

I did not say diagnosis.
But if the culture is to hide mental illness then who knows?

Let me say it again. The cultures that many of these people come from ARE systemically mentally ill. By definition of their observed behaviors and restraint of free will and thought. The entire structure of their societies is BUILT about psychotic or sociopathic actions and expectations.

So going down this road you are traveling trying to decouple mental illness from Islam is NOT gonna convince folks that we are doing a great job in rescuing the RIGHT people from these cultures and bringing them to the US.. It's NOT ISLAM. It's where they are COMING FROM...

Let me put it this way -- when you import folks from an insane asylum -- DO NOT expect them to be unafflicted or cured by the mere act of importing them. When you're raised in those cultures --- "erratic, violent, explosive, controlling" are FEATURES of their entire life experiences. From THEIR perspective -- that's "normal"..

Kinda like Iraq under Hussein or Libya under Ghadafy... OR Iran under the Ayatollahs -- or or or.

 

[flacaltenn]

Most mentally ill people are more likely to be the victim of crime rather than carefully plot and execute plans to conduct slaughter en masse.

Actually, Tilly, both are true. Most of the recent mass killings have involved mentally ill people (in the US): Sandy Hook, the Aurora theatre, VA tech, Gabby Gifford. It's also true they represent a disproportionate number of victims of violence.

Why is it that when the perpetrators are muslim, such as the two examples I gave in the OP, mental illness is discounted?

This COULD be because we no longer trust our government to play "sanctuary country" with our security. Along with the examples in the OP -- news this week that 10 immigrant Somalis were tried in just ONE Minnesota city. 6 plead guilty to conspiring to join ISIS and 3 more of the 10 were convicted. The 10th is believed to already be in the Mid East with ISIS.

So -- we can't trust that Federal "heroic liberal altruism" is screening refugees for mental illness or relations to violent orgs, or any NUMBER of things that we would expect them to... And just observing a lot of these cultures that we are putting in the EXPRESS immigration lane -- in their natural HOME cultures -- would fit any definition of mental illness, scientific or layperson wise. Such is the state of these theocratic tyrannical piss pits.

Why are we ALLOWING the mentally ill and folks prone to supporting ISIS INTO this country in the 1st place?
That's where your pushback is coming from..

If it was up to me.. We'd treat terrorist sympathizers like organized crime. And make it illegal for them to even pledge allegiance or CONTACT these orgs. That way the 10 Minnesota Somalis would be facing deportation and enhanced jail time and the PEOPLE of America would demand better screening for these "feel good" programs.

THEN -- I could be MUCH MORE open to talking about generous immigration from these diseased areas of the world..

So it works. They were identified and caught and most likely, with the help of the immigrant community (according to the FBI they get a lot of tips from the immigrant and muslim communities).

Secondly, what makes you think mentally ill people are being "allowed" in? Mental illness isn't always apparent.

No... It DOESN'T work. THey should be deported. They should be declared in violation of their immigration status and RETURNED to Somalia.[ /quote]

As opposed to prosecution?

As far as screening for mental illness. I just told you. BY OBSERVATION, the cultures these people come from FIT the very definition of MULTIPLE mental illnesses. Cultures where ritual honor killings, stoning, and amputations are public events. MASS psychotic killing, legal humiliation and mutilation, and systemic hate taught in schools. That IS demented -- is it not???

It would be IF what you said was accurate. If those things were as common as sensationalist media portrays (
the same media vilified for blatent inaccuracies).

Unfortunately it is not mental illness, which is an organic brain disease.

Careful with restricting mental illness to actual brain MALFORMATION or disease. That's a small part of it.

EMOTIONAL trauma, brainwashing, physical abuse CAN ALL cause "mental illness". Everything I characterized IS accurate. When you live under an abusive, brutal regime and your justice is based on warped interpretation of your religion, where thought and actions are restricted and VIOLENCE is public and sanctioned -- when Tribes are wanting to kill Tribes because that's the way it always has been -- that IS a mentally ill society.. And the expectations of your/my normal don't matter.

We truly are "emptying the asylums" with our misguided altruistic immigration policies recently. And expecting that people will be HEALED -- just by watching Oprah and shopping at WalMart.

 

[Alex.]

When a person does something crazy, even violent and crazy - we usually accept that they are mentally ill. Our culture still has a long ways to go in regards to erasing the stigma of mental illness, and recognizing it as something that needs treatment - but it's come a long ways.

But, when that person is Muslim, there seems to be a double stigma attached to it. One: they are Muslim, and any crazy or violent behavior is blamed on their religion. Two: they are crazy, and mental illness still retains a huge stigma in the Muslim Community.

Take for example:

Amina Ali Ahra, who out of the blue grabbed a flag, and started attacking a nearby woman. She'd been reported as hanging around the area but did not live there, chased another woman into her house and when arrested was unable to give police coherent information. This sparked threads, claims of outrage directed at Muslim extremists and Muslims in general and immigrants in general, and in the end it was determined she had mental issues.

Nicholas Salvadore, who went on a bloody rampage, decapitating an elderly woman and two cats. Much was made of it as a religious terrorist attack because he was a Muslim. But, he was also mentally ill, and a paranoid schitzophrenic.

If they were not Muslim, it would quickly have been yesterday's news, no demands for "why isn't this in the news" etc. If they were not Muslim, people would have considered mental illness as a causative factor because the "religion thing" would not have been occupying so much headspace. It's also possible that if they hadn't been Muslim, their families and friends may have recognized signs and sought treatment in childhood before it erupted in to a tragedy.

‘Muslims must fight this taboo’ Islamic leaders want stigma around mental illness to end

Praising the Sunday Express for its Crusade for better mental health Shaykh Ibrahim Mogra, assistant Secretary-General for the Muslim Council of Britain, said feelings of shame, cultural and religious ignorance and a general lack of physical fitness meant that the rate of mental illness within Muslim communities far exceeded the three per cent national average.

In some quarters the situation was so bad that parents have banned schools from referring to their children as having special educational needs in awards ceremonies because of the perceived stigma involved, or feelings of personal guilt.

“Mental Illness still remains a taboo subject in Muslim communities and people are not seeking the help that is available. This is causing unnecessary distress to themselves and loved ones,” he said.

“Many parents try to keep mental illness with children hidden and under the radar. They don't want anyone to know. Sometimes they feel it's their fault, that as parents they are responsible for their children’s’ conditions. And others might agree.”​

From your article:

“Mental Illness still remains a taboo subject in Muslim communities and people are not seeking the help that is available. This is causing unnecessary distress to themselves and loved ones,” he said.

“Many parents try to keep mental illness with children hidden and under the radar. They don't want anyone to know. Sometimes they feel it's their fault, that as parents they are responsible for their children’s’ conditions. And others might agree.”


They have no one to blame but themselves. Should these "communities" accept the standards of mental illness that the rest of society has then these folks will be viewed as such. To blame the failings of this closed societal phenomena on those who do not understand or are closed off from these people both perpetuates and exacerbates the problems and creates more misunderstandings.

Once again you make excuses for the plight of the Muslim in today's society and once again you have failed.

 

[jillian]

now we're going to pretend that terrorists are just kooky?

No.

We are talking about mental illness, and culture. Did you bother to look at the two specific examples I provided?

i read your o/p. i'm not particularly interested in your typical and continued excusing of terrorism.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Mental illness isn't always apparent.

but in many cases, it IS.

Take the monomania that drives people into an obsessive defense of Islamism, for instance. This unhealthy preoccupation with defending mass murder, rape, the degradation of women and gays, totalitarianism and primitive behavior is simply not the product of a healthy psyche. Especially considering the dogged determination to remove cause from effect and divorce Islam so completely from the attitudes and actions it inspires so directly, the monomaniac lives in a fantasy world of their own creation.

These disturbed individuals should seek treatment immediately.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

As far as screening for mental illness. I just told you. BY OBSERVATION, the cultures these people come from FIT the very definition of MULTIPLE mental illnesses. Cultures where ritual honor killings, stoning, and amputations are public events. MASS psychotic killing, legal humiliation and mutilation, and systemic hate taught in schools. That IS demented -- is it not???

Quoted for truth.

If there is any organic basis to this cultural psychosis, perhaps it lies in the degree to which so many of these people are inbred. Generation after generation of first cousin and uncle/niece marriages has led to a drop in IQ as well as emotional imbalances seen so typically among severely inbred people, and could explain at least some of the cultural psychopathy that attracts Coyote the way it does.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

There's nothing to understand, aside from THEY WANT TO KILL US and bring the entire world under sharia law. It doesn't matter that they don't ALL want this (though of course the vast majority do, we all know it, they even admit it). The sharia law thing in and of itself should be enough to make it illegal for them (any of them) to come into this country, let alone settle here on OUR dime. Their faith and their beliefs will not work in a free society. They are free to believe as they choose..but they can't come here and expect us to accommodate their beliefs because their beliefs pose a threat to the safety and stability of our country and our citizens.

Morons like coyote think that the US is a fucking toilet where we are obliged to let any idiot in who can get his diseased ass over the border, and let them attack our citizens and our systems. If they want to attack our citizens and our systems, then they are ENEMIES and we need to protect ourselves from them.

That means shut the borders. Fuck Islam.

My nearest neighbor and I were discussing this today. His fiancée left on a flight for the East Coast today. Naturally he is worried about airport terrorism.

We traced the entire issue back first to Harry Truman who concluded that it was politically necessary to align with the new State Of Israel due to the high American Jewish minority.

This situation then got worse when GW Bush invaded Iraq and got Saddam killed. Saddam had been a fairly faithful ally and was keeping the sh!t hole of Iraq under control. Look at it now.

At any rate we concluded that if a bunch of bombers attacked and airport entrance there is nothing you can do about it except run like a rat.

And the best thing is to avoid nightclubs. Nightclubs have beep prime targets for Islamists because they represent decadent congregations of fornication and adultery. So stick with speed dating.

And avoid airports as much as you can.

Seriouzly...why?

You are worried about a very rare event. You are more likely to be hit you lightening or run over by a car.

Small comfort to the Orlando victims' families. And you still haven't answered my question which I thought was pretty valid.

 

[koshergrl]

When a person does something crazy, even violent and crazy - we usually accept that they are mentally ill. Our culture still has a long ways to go in regards to erasing the stigma of mental illness, and recognizing it as something that needs treatment - but it's come a long ways.

But, when that person is Muslim, there seems to be a double stigma attached to it. One: they are Muslim, and any crazy or violent behavior is blamed on their religion. Two: they are crazy, and mental illness still retains a huge stigma in the Muslim Community.

Take for example:

Amina Ali Ahra, who out of the blue grabbed a flag, and started attacking a nearby woman. She'd been reported as hanging around the area but did not live there, chased another woman into her house and when arrested was unable to give police coherent information. This sparked threads, claims of outrage directed at Muslim extremists and Muslims in general and immigrants in general, and in the end it was determined she had mental issues.

Nicholas Salvadore, who went on a bloody rampage, decapitating an elderly woman and two cats. Much was made of it as a religious terrorist attack because he was a Muslim. But, he was also mentally ill, and a paranoid schitzophrenic.

If they were not Muslim, it would quickly have been yesterday's news, no demands for "why isn't this in the news" etc. If they were not Muslim, people would have considered mental illness as a causative factor because the "religion thing" would not have been occupying so much headspace. It's also possible that if they hadn't been Muslim, their families and friends may have recognized signs and sought treatment in childhood before it erupted in to a tragedy.

‘Muslims must fight this taboo’ Islamic leaders want stigma around mental illness to end

Praising the Sunday Express for its Crusade for better mental health Shaykh Ibrahim Mogra, assistant Secretary-General for the Muslim Council of Britain, said feelings of shame, cultural and religious ignorance and a general lack of physical fitness meant that the rate of mental illness within Muslim communities far exceeded the three per cent national average.

In some quarters the situation was so bad that parents have banned schools from referring to their children as having special educational needs in awards ceremonies because of the perceived stigma involved, or feelings of personal guilt.

“Mental Illness still remains a taboo subject in Muslim communities and people are not seeking the help that is available. This is causing unnecessary distress to themselves and loved ones,” he said.

“Many parents try to keep mental illness with children hidden and under the radar. They don't want anyone to know. Sometimes they feel it's their fault, that as parents they are responsible for their children’s’ conditions. And others might agree.”​

My Opinion:

Most mentally ill people are very religious to start with and combining their religious way of thinking and mental problems usually turn into a blood bath.

Mental illness need to be address but I also fanatical religion should also be focused on because it prey on the weak minded that have mental issues and look to religious guidance but instead get manipulated into believing in all the wrong things and going batshit crazy.

Omar Mateen was nuts and wanted to use his religion to justify his heinous acts against the people of Orlando.

Actually I would like someone to show me one Terrorist that was not mentally ill and when you do then you have taught me a lesson...

I would like for you to show me one Demonrat that supports them that isn't mentally ill...

Now let's talk about disarming the mentally ill, like the law requires...

What?

1. I am not a Democratic Party Voter, so please try again.

2. If you are going to claim everyone in one religion is mentally ill and demand they be disarmed, well Hitler would be so proud of you.

3. This country has a Constitution that allow the American Citizen certain rights and deny one group their rights because of your hatred of their religion, well is not going to happen even if Trump become President.

Now flame me all you want and call me a terrorist loving piece of shit and my opinion will never change because I can point out mentally ill retards that proclaim they killed in the name of Jesus, and you will just tell me how it is never the same.

So let cut the nonsense and I will write that I believe most mentally ill people are religious nuts that kill in the name of God because of their delusional way of thinking that is what God wants.

Again. There is a difference between the mentally ill nut job who shoots his mommy then goes on a rampage...

And the young muslim men who are groomed, funded, and trained to infiltrate our society for the express purpose of killing us and bringing the US under Sharia law.

YES there is, but why is it you don't recognize that when it comes to muslims?

Why do you insist upon the false equivalency between Muslims and Christians, when you acknowledge it's a false equivalence? Talk about mentally ill...